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I can't believe the shooter's suitemates were not
made aware of his mental history. The kid had been institutionalized and had quite a past. Is that stuff confidential? If it is, I think there should be a limit to that. I mean, I had a suite in college. I'd want to know about this guy if it were me. A school is a big place full of strangers. You can't possibly look into everyone who "seems" dark; hell, if that were the case, then Wes Craven and Stephen King should be in jail! I just mean that in this person's case, I can't believe he was still allowed to share a dorm... He had made threats against students, stalked people; I don't know, maybe that's extreme of me. Just seems like there was time to maybe help this person before his demise.
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Re: I can't believe the shooter's suitemates were not
I blame the University most of all. They were aware of alot of things about this kid but they did not take any actions.
Nikki Giovanni a famous poet and a professor at this University asked to have him remove from her class and if they did not remove him she was going to quite. The cops were also called to the school about him in 2005 for stalking a young woman. Again, the schoold did nothing.
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Re: I can't believe the shooter's suitemates were not
Posted by BellaPaige
I blame the University most of all. They were aware of alot of things about this kid but they did not take any actions.
Nikki Giovanni a famous poet and a professor at this University asked to have him remove from her class and if they did not remove him she was going to quite. The cops were also called to the school about him in 2005 for stalking a young woman. Again, the schoold did nothing.
I totally agree.
I am sure someone here is going to get mad and tell me that, "What, just because he had issues he should be kept apart from others?" I say yes--when you are a danger to yourself and others, you should receive treatment and not be released until you are no longer a threat. Obviously keeping him with others did nothing........
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Re: I can't believe the shooter's suitemates were not
Posted by Lanabean
Posted by BellaPaige
I blame the University most of all. They were aware of alot of things about this kid but they did not take any actions.
Nikki Giovanni a famous poet and a professor at this University asked to have him remove from her class and if they did not remove him she was going to quite. The cops were also called to the school about him in 2005 for stalking a young woman. Again, the schoold did nothing.
I totally agree.
I am sure someone here is going to get mad and tell me that, "What, just because he had issues he should be kept apart from others?" I say yes--when you are a danger to yourself and others, you should receive treatment and not be released until you are no longer a threat. Obviously keeping him with others did nothing........
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Re: I can't believe the shooter's suitemates were not
Posted by Lanabean
Posted by BellaPaige
I blame the University most of all. They were aware of alot of things about this kid but they did not take any actions.
Nikki Giovanni a famous poet and a professor at this University asked to have him remove from her class and if they did not remove him she was going to quite. The cops were also called to the school about him in 2005 for stalking a young woman. Again, the schoold did nothing.
I totally agree.
I am sure someone here is going to get mad and tell me that, "What, just because he had issues he should be kept apart from others?" I say yes--when you are a danger to yourself and others, you should receive treatment and not be released until you are no longer a threat. Obviously keeping him with others did nothing........
I totally agree with you!! The kid was a huge threat in my eyes. IMO, I think this whole tragedy could have been avoided if the signs weren't ignored. It is just disgusting what hapened. My heart goes out to the families. I cannot begin to imagine what they are going they are going through.
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Re: I can't believe the shooter's suitemates were not
Some of the parents (or all) have not been allowed to see their children's bodies yet, for legal reasons...whatever that means. 
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Re: I can't believe the shooter's suitemates were not
Posted by BellaPaige
I blame the University most of all. They were aware of alot of things about this kid but they did not take any actions.
Nikki Giovanni a famous poet and a professor at this University asked to have him remove from her class and if they did not remove him she was going to quite. The cops were also called to the school about him in 2005 for stalking a young woman. Again, the schoold did nothing.
I could not agree more...There are a lot of things that should have been red flags to the school & no one did something. I also blame the parents. I understand that he was getting an education but the parents supposedly called the school in 2005 & stated their son was suicidal. Don't you think as a responsible parent, you would take your own child out of school & get him some help??? Way too many questions are unanswered & the more that we find out, the more I get sick! This could have been prevented & innoncent kids would still be here.....
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Re: I can't believe the shooter's suitemates were not
Posted by Kissy331
Posted by BellaPaige
I blame the University most of all. They were aware of alot of things about this kid but they did not take any actions.
Nikki Giovanni a famous poet and a professor at this University asked to have him remove from her class and if they did not remove him she was going to quite. The cops were also called to the school about him in 2005 for stalking a young woman. Again, the schoold did nothing.
I could not agree more...There are a lot of things that should have been red flags to the school & no one did something. I also blame the parents. I understand that he was getting an education but the parents supposedly called the school in 2005 & stated their son was suicidal. Don't you think as a responsible parent, you would take your own child out of school & get him some help??? Way too many questions are unanswered & the more that we find out, the more I get sick! This could have been prevented & innoncent kids would still be here.....
So true!!
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Re: I can't believe the shooter's suitemates were not
Posted by Lanabean
Some of the parents (or all) have not been allowed to see their children's bodies yet, for legal reasons...whatever that means.
That's terrible
I bet the college is going to have a ton of wrongful death suits filed since they knew about this kids mental problems.
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Re: I can't believe the shooter's suitemates were not
Posted by Lanabean
Some of the parents (or all) have not been allowed to see their children's bodies yet, for legal reasons...whatever that means.
Really? Wow, I can only try to imagine the anger, pain, and suffering these parents are enduring.
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Re: I can't believe the shooter's suitemates were not
Posted by BellaPaige
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Posted by BellaPaige
I blame the University most of all. They were aware of alot of things about this kid but they did not take any actions.
Nikki Giovanni a famous poet and a professor at this University asked to have him remove from her class and if they did not remove him she was going to quite. The cops were also called to the school about him in 2005 for stalking a young woman. Again, the schoold did nothing.
I could not agree more...There are a lot of things that should have been red flags to the school & no one did something. I also blame the parents. I understand that he was getting an education but the parents supposedly called the school in 2005 & stated their son was suicidal. Don't you think as a responsible parent, you would take your own child out of school & get him some help??? Way too many questions are unanswered & the more that we find out, the more I get sick! This could have been prevented & innoncent kids would still be here.....
So true!!
Very true. And those "rich kids" he killed; those kids weren't like that. They were good kids, as one anchor put it, "just trying to live the American dream."
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Re: I can't believe the shooter's suitemates were not
Posted by BellaPaige
I blame the University most of all. They were aware of alot of things about this kid but they did not take any actions.
Nikki Giovanni a famous poet and a professor at this University asked to have him remove from her class and if they did not remove him she was going to quite. The cops were also called to the school about him in 2005 for stalking a young woman. Again, the schoold did nothing.
I agree completely! now that the story about him has come out, I place the blame squarely on the shoulders of the school! SHAME ON THEM!!!!  after all those complaints about him from students AND teachers they should have kicked him out!
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Re: I can't believe the shooter's suitemates were not
Posted by Lanabean
Some of the parents (or all) have not been allowed to see their children's bodies yet, for legal reasons...whatever that means.
In cases of extreme violance, homicides or mass fatalities, it will take SEVERAL days before an investigation is complete.
Cases like this require an autopsy (except in cases of requesting it not to be for religious reasons, i.e. the Jewish Professor whose body was already released)
A medical examiner only has a certain amount of staff. If they have 32 other people to examine, each person can take SEVERAL hours, with police present for the invetigation.
As an example, last year it took almost a week for the medical examiner to release the body of a highly publicized murder victim.............that was just ONE person
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I agree with you, Lana. He obviously had a history of mental illness and the school had the most power and did nothing.
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Re: I can't believe the shooter's suitemates were not
Really good point, Lana.
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Re: I can't believe the shooter's suitemates were not
I know a lot about colleges. You cannot release any medical information to suitemates, roommates, etc. It's national laws--all the HIPAA stuff that addresses the privacy of health information you sign when you go to the doctor. That means that once a child is over 18 you can't be calling the parents to say Susie's pregnant or Joe is acting crazy. And there are nationwide laws about telling parents of adult college students over 18 anything about any academic matters--these are the FERPA laws. Again, nationwide.
From what I have heard, he was hospitalized for a while, put on medication, and was released when he was found to be no longer a threat to himself or others. The problem is that often the mentally ill do not believe they have a problem, so they stop taking the medicine as soon as they are released home. What is the solution? Keeping every mentality ill person locked up forever? Keeping them constantly monitored? These solutions would be impossible...I feel for the administration because there are students like this at every college...And you do what you can to help, but beyond that it is difficult.
It was a horrendous situation, but it's always easier to discuss what should have happened to prevent it in hindsight. The reality is that every college campus has students with varying degrees of mental illness, and to say that they should all be suspended or expelled would be to rob what is in general a harmless group of academic opportunities.
I do think VA makes it ridiculously easy for anyone to buy a gun, and more stringent gun laws may have helped to prevent this tragedy.
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Re: I can't believe the shooter's suitemates were not
So scary. My sister goes away to school upstate and there is this kid that likes her and is always following her and one day he even locked her in his room (nothing happened - she was able to talk to him and leave). THAT worried me..but now hearing about this kid, I am even more worried
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Re: I can't believe the shooter's suitemates were not
Posted by nov04libride
From what I have heard, he was hospitalized for a while, put on medication, and was released when he was found to be no longer a threat to himself or others. The problem is that often the mentally ill do not believe they have a problem, so they stop taking the medicine as soon as they are released home. What is the solution? Keeping every mentality ill person locked up forever? Keeping them constantly monitored? These solutions would be impossible...I feel for the administration because there are students like this at every college...And you do what you can to help, but beyond that it is difficult.
It was a horrendous situation, but it's always easier to discuss what should have happened to prevent it in hindsight. The reality is that every college campus has students with varying degrees of mental illness, and to say that they should all be suspended or expelled would be to rob what is in general a harmless group of academic opportunities.
I do think VA makes it ridiculously easy for anyone to buy a gun, and more stringent gun laws may have helped to prevent this tragedy.
I agree with this.
You can't hold it against every person who has ever had mental issues forever and believe they are going to break.
BUT, with the teacher incident and the stalking incident, the evidence was there that they he was not rehabilitated and something should have been done then.
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has anyone heard anything about Cho=Seungs parents???
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Re: I can't believe the shooter's suitemates were not
Posted by nov04libride
I know a lot about colleges. You cannot release any medical information to suitemates, roommates, etc. It's national laws--all the HIPAA stuff that addresses the privacy of health information you sign when you go to the doctor. That means that once a child is over 18 you can't be calling the parents to say Susie's pregnant or Joe is acting crazy. And there are nationwide laws about telling parents of adult college students over 18 anything about any academic matters--these are the FERPA laws. Again, nationwide.
From what I have heard, he was hospitalized for a while, put on medication, and was released when he was found to be no longer a threat to himself or others. The problem is that often the mentally ill do not believe they have a problem, so they stop taking the medicine as soon as they are released home. What is the solution? Keeping every mentality ill person locked up forever? Keeping them constantly monitored? These solutions would be impossible...I feel for the administration because there are students like this at every college...And you do what you can to help, but beyond that it is difficult.
It was a horrendous situation, but it's always easier to discuss what should have happened to prevent it in hindsight. The reality is that every college campus has students with varying degrees of mental illness, and to say that they should all be suspended or expelled would be to rob what is in general a harmless group of academic opportunities.
I do think VA makes it ridiculously easy for anyone to buy a gun, and more stringent gun laws may have helped to prevent this tragedy.
Having worked at a university for 4 years, I understand and agree with this. I don't think the university could have done much more given the laws of the land. I don't think it is fair to blame the victim in this case.
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Re: I can't believe the shooter's suitemates were not
Posted by nov04libride
I know a lot about colleges. You cannot release any medical information to suitemates, roommates, etc. It's national laws--all the HIPAA stuff that addresses the privacy of health information you sign when you go to the doctor. That means that once a child is over 18 you can't be calling the parents to say Susie's pregnant or Joe is acting crazy. And there are nationwide laws about telling parents of adult college students over 18 anything about any academic matters--these are the FERPA laws. Again, nationwide.
From what I have heard, he was hospitalized for a while, put on medication, and was released when he was found to be no longer a threat to himself or others. The problem is that often the mentally ill do not believe they have a problem, so they stop taking the medicine as soon as they are released home. What is the solution? Keeping every mentality ill person locked up forever? Keeping them constantly monitored? These solutions would be impossible...I feel for the administration because there are students like this at every college...And you do what you can to help, but beyond that it is difficult.
It was a horrendous situation, but it's always easier to discuss what should have happened to prevent it in hindsight. The reality is that every college campus has students with varying degrees of mental illness, and to say that they should all be suspended or expelled would be to rob what is in general a harmless group of academic opportunities.
I do think VA makes it ridiculously easy for anyone to buy a gun, and more stringent gun laws may have helped to prevent this tragedy.
I agree with everything you've said here.
I just wanted to add that, as a mental health professional, whenever I talk about confidentiality with a client, I have to state that everything we talk about is confidential, EXCEPT if I think (s)he is going to harm himself or someone else. Then it would be my responsibility to tell someone in order to keep everyone safe. That is part of my ethics code.
That said, Cho wasn't involved in ongoing mental health services, and if at the time he was released from the mental hospital, they didn't find him to be a threat, there was no reason to report anything.
However you look at it, it is a senseless tragedy.
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Re: I can't believe the shooter's suitemates were not
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Posted by nov04libride
I know a lot about colleges. You cannot release any medical information to suitemates, roommates, etc. It's national laws--all the HIPAA stuff that addresses the privacy of health information you sign when you go to the doctor. That means that once a child is over 18 you can't be calling the parents to say Susie's pregnant or Joe is acting crazy. And there are nationwide laws about telling parents of adult college students over 18 anything about any academic matters--these are the FERPA laws. Again, nationwide.
From what I have heard, he was hospitalized for a while, put on medication, and was released when he was found to be no longer a threat to himself or others. The problem is that often the mentally ill do not believe they have a problem, so they stop taking the medicine as soon as they are released home. What is the solution? Keeping every mentality ill person locked up forever? Keeping them constantly monitored? These solutions would be impossible...I feel for the administration because there are students like this at every college...And you do what you can to help, but beyond that it is difficult.
It was a horrendous situation, but it's always easier to discuss what should have happened to prevent it in hindsight. The reality is that every college campus has students with varying degrees of mental illness, and to say that they should all be suspended or expelled would be to rob what is in general a harmless group of academic opportunities.
I do think VA makes it ridiculously easy for anyone to buy a gun, and more stringent gun laws may have helped to prevent this tragedy.
Having worked at a university for 4 years, I understand and agree with this. I don't think the university could have done much more given the laws of the land. I don't think it is fair to blame the victim in this case.
They are in a unique position here, and although it is tragic they can't be blamed.
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Re: I can't believe the shooter's suitemates were not
Posted by nov04libride
I know a lot about colleges. You cannot release any medical information to suitemates, roommates, etc. It's national laws--all the HIPAA stuff that addresses the privacy of health information you sign when you go to the doctor. That means that once a child is over 18 you can't be calling the parents to say Susie's pregnant or Joe is acting crazy. And there are nationwide laws about telling parents of adult college students over 18 anything about any academic matters--these are the FERPA laws. Again, nationwide.
From what I have heard, he was hospitalized for a while, put on medication, and was released when he was found to be no longer a threat to himself or others. The problem is that often the mentally ill do not believe they have a problem, so they stop taking the medicine as soon as they are released home. What is the solution? Keeping every mentality ill person locked up forever? Keeping them constantly monitored? These solutions would be impossible...I feel for the administration because there are students like this at every college...And you do what you can to help, but beyond that it is difficult.
It was a horrendous situation, but it's always easier to discuss what should have happened to prevent it in hindsight. The reality is that every college campus has students with varying degrees of mental illness, and to say that they should all be suspended or expelled would be to rob what is in general a harmless group of academic opportunities.
I do think VA makes it ridiculously easy for anyone to buy a gun, and more stringent gun laws may have helped to prevent this tragedy.
I agree with this.
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Re: I can't believe the shooter's suitemates were not
Posted by nov04libride
It was a horrendous situation, but it's always easier to discuss what should have happened to prevent it in hindsight. The reality is that every college campus has students with varying degrees of mental illness, and to say that they should all be suspended or expelled would be to rob what is in general a harmless group of academic opportunities.
I agree with everything you said
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Re: I can't believe the shooter's suitemates were not
Posted by nov04libride
I know a lot about colleges. You cannot release any medical information to suitemates, roommates, etc. It's national laws--all the HIPAA stuff that addresses the privacy of health information you sign when you go to the doctor. That means that once a child is over 18 you can't be calling the parents to say Susie's pregnant or Joe is acting crazy. And there are nationwide laws about telling parents of adult college students over 18 anything about any academic matters--these are the FERPA laws. Again, nationwide.
From what I have heard, he was hospitalized for a while, put on medication, and was released when he was found to be no longer a threat to himself or others. The problem is that often the mentally ill do not believe they have a problem, so they stop taking the medicine as soon as they are released home. What is the solution? Keeping every mentality ill person locked up forever? Keeping them constantly monitored? These solutions would be impossible...I feel for the administration because there are students like this at every college...And you do what you can to help, but beyond that it is difficult.
It was a horrendous situation, but it's always easier to discuss what should have happened to prevent it in hindsight. The reality is that every college campus has students with varying degrees of mental illness, and to say that they should all be suspended or expelled would be to rob what is in general a harmless group of academic opportunities.
I do think VA makes it ridiculously easy for anyone to buy a gun, and more stringent gun laws may have helped to prevent this tragedy.
Thank you for sharing your viewpoint; these are valid points, too...I'm just coming at it from the viewpoint of a roommate--I think I would just feel so outraged, almost violated to have been put in a room with this person.
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