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alli3131
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Re: When you disagree on C.I.O.
Posted by OrganicMama
Posted by KGools
Posted by MrsA1012
Posted by KGools
Posted by OrganicMama
Oh please. This group is the most hypocritical group of women I've ever seen in my life. Don't judge? I've seen it from almost every single one of you women (the regular, vocal posters of LIF especially. I've seen it on the FHF, parenting, celebrity board, relationships. I don't care what you feed your child, where they sleep, what they wear, but I will absolutely judge someone that let's their kid scream until they puke all over themselves, ams then put them back in their crib for more, or if they are doing something I deem extremely harmful or scarring to a child. I'm judged by everyone because I choose to practice AP, I EBF, extended RF, co-sleep, etc. as for the pediatrician comment, do your research on how to parent. Listen to your gut. Pediatricians are MEDICAL DOCTORS. What makes them the authority on parenting?
2 wrongs don't make a right... unless you think they do in which case, we disagree again.
FTR - that is not how CIO works... take your own advice and do some research. Actually, that is exactly how many people practice CIO, extinction style.
Lets educate... not judge (I'm looking at you OrganicMama!).
I DON'T VACCINATE MY KIDS.
Let's see who doesn't pass judgement on that.
Like I said, hypocrites.
My point is, when someone feels another person is doing something harmful to a child, it's normal to judge. It just happens. At least I own it.
Who cares what you do to you kids. I vaccinate but the fact that you don't doesn't change my life one bit.
And yup I let my kid cry so keep judging.
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Re: When you disagree on C.I.O.
Posted by Sparrow
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Posted by OrganicMama
If people would stop listening to their idiot doctors on parenting advice, there would be a lot more INSTINCTIVE, attached parenting and less detached, selfish parenting. Why is your baby's (general, directed at no one in particular) needs for comfort, closeness and food completely disregarded at night? Why is it that parents feel they can just flip a switch and your parenting duties are done at bedtime? I will never understand this. There are studies that it produces long term psychological damage in some infants. Also, it is proven that CIO creates a huge surge in stress hormones, that stick around even hours after baby falls asleep. IF IT FEELS WRONG, IT IS WRONG! And if your baby screamng for comfort and food doesn't feel wrong to you, I think that's just crazy and sick.
I admire you for voicing this and fully agree....we are just such a minority on this forum. Thank you for being here
I'm totally with you two! Babies cry for a reason and I'm not ok with ignoring it until they just give up. Yes, it's really rough but around a year old my kids actually did STTN (I used the No Cry Sleep Solution for help) and still do vast majority of nights now.
Also, at least in our house, DH is fine with the idea of CIO BUT he isn't woken up by a baby crying. He often would have no idea that I had been up with the baby 2-3 times. At least for my DH, he isn't wired to have a baby's cry wake him, where I'm up the second I hear a whimper. I could just be a lighter sleeper than he is but I tend to think this could be an evolutionary thing since women are the ones to breastfeed infants.
This. My DS crying never bothered DH the way it did me, and he would and does sleep through him crying or calling for me in the middle of the night and in the mornings unless I wake him. I feel like a lot of it is evolutionary
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Posted 8/21/14 5:35 PM |
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Kitten1929
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When you disagree on C.I.O.
I don't believe in CIO. They don't stop crying because they "learned" to go to sleep or self soothe.
They stop crying because no one comes to comfort them.
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momtimes2
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Re: When you disagree on C.I.O.
Posted by OrganicMama
Posted by KGools
Posted by MrsA1012
Posted by KGools
Posted by OrganicMama
Oh please. This group is the most hypocritical group of women I've ever seen in my life. Don't judge? I've seen it from almost every single one of you women (the regular, vocal posters of LIF especially. I've seen it on the FHF, parenting, celebrity board, relationships. I don't care what you feed your child, where they sleep, what they wear, but I will absolutely judge someone that let's their kid scream until they puke all over themselves, ams then put them back in their crib for more, or if they are doing something I deem extremely harmful or scarring to a child. I'm judged by everyone because I choose to practice AP, I EBF, extended RF, co-sleep, etc. as for the pediatrician comment, do your research on how to parent. Listen to your gut. Pediatricians are MEDICAL DOCTORS. What makes them the authority on parenting?
2 wrongs don't make a right... unless you think they do in which case, we disagree again.
FTR - that is not how CIO works... take your own advice and do some research. Actually, that is exactly how many people practice CIO, extinction style.
Lets educate... not judge (I'm looking at you OrganicMama!).
I DON'T VACCINATE MY KIDS.
Let's see who doesn't pass judgement on that.
Like I said, hypocrites.
My point is, when someone feels another person is doing something harmful to a child, it's normal to judge. It just happens. At least I own it.
I don't give a rats ass what you do with your kids but your post was ridiculously judgmental and again, 2 wrongs don't make a right. didn't you learn that as a child?
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MarisaK
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Re: When you disagree on C.I.O.
I don't think most rational, normal people who let their kids CIO are sitting on the couch drinking scotch while their child screams until they throw up -
As a matter of fact, most of the parents I know who don't (or can't) CIO are parents of those exact kids - the ones who tried to let them CIO and they get so worked up they make themselves sick. Those parents don't continue to let their children make themselves sick screaming .........they just deal with having to get them to sleep other ways -
But that doesn't mean it's wrong to TRY. no one is telling anyone to let a baby scream for hours and hours ........
I let both of my boys CIO, but I used my freakin' brain. As parents, DH and I learned when they were crying b/c they needed something or were sick or were just having a bad night and needed some 'extra' from us - vs when they were crying 'just b/c' they wanted us to lay w/ them or whatever. Many many people are perfectly happy and comfortable to have their children dictate everything ....that's fine, for them....DH and I are not those parents, and it deosn't make us worse (or better). I don't stop being a mother at 9:30 - If you're scared, or sick, or just having a bad night - I'm there .....but otherwise .........No, it's bed time. Go to sleep. End of story. You are not calling the shots here kid. Close your eyes.
And I personally do believe that getting themselves to sleep is a learned behavior. Maybe not a 4 months old ........ But again, I think it's horribly unfair to a child of any age to let them get used to being rocked to sleep, or slept with, or whatever the case may be, if you don't plan to continue that behavior for an extended period of time. - A 2 or 3 year old that has been rocked to sleep for 3 years isn't going to easily shake that need ........I just think it's worse/more difficult for a child at 3 to acclimate, than it is for a baby at 6 months ........so I preferred to do it sonner rather than later.
And no, I don't have any google researched medical journals to back that up - it's just my "instinct" .........so I went with it.
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KarenK122
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When you disagree on C.I.O.
I have a different outlook then most since I adopted my child at 10 months, though she was 10 months she was maybe 3 or 4 months developmentally. We took a ton of classes and workshops on bonding and attachment and there is no way ever would I let my 5 month old cry themselves to sleep.
At that age they are crying for a reason, not just to disrupt your sleep. They need to learn comfort and need to learn that you are the person they feel protected by, not abandoned.
That is my opinion and I would never tell others how to parent their own children. There are alot of other parenting techniques people in my family/family disagree with me about as well but we all respect eachothers right to parent as they see fit.
People need to learn to read others people's opinions and not take them so personally. Just because someone disagrees with you does not mean it's wrong, maybe it will give you a different outlook on what you are doing.
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Posted 8/22/14 11:13 AM |
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Re: When you disagree on C.I.O.
Posted by gina409
So if I don't listen to my doctor when I have a parenting question I should listen to the girl from the internet?
Best line.
Honestly, Its quite disgraceful that people think its ok to sit behind their computers and bash other parents for their choices.
If someone comes on this board to ask advice, I don't know why we cant say "I didn't do CIO because of what I read about stress hormones staying, long term affects etc. I would suggest looking at XYZ article (or googling XYZ study) and make your own conclusion. I would not do it personally".
How much nicer was that then Organic Moms comment about how she is damaging her child? (Based on one persons opinion who is posting from the internet).
Seriously? You can disagree but why do MOTHERS have to bash other mothers? This is INSANE to me.
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Teachergal
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Re: When you disagree on C.I.O.
Posted by OrganicMama
Oh please. This group is the most hypocritical group of women I've ever seen in my life. Don't judge? I've seen it from almost every single one of you women (the regular, vocal posters of LIF especially. I've seen it on the FHF, parenting, celebrity board, relationships. I don't care what you feed your child, where they sleep, what they wear, but I will absolutely judge someone that let's their kid scream until they puke all over themselves, ams then put them back in their crib for more, or if they are doing something I deem extremely harmful or scarring to a child. I'm judged by everyone because I choose to practice AP, I EBF, extended RF, co-sleep, etc. as for the pediatrician comment, do your research on how to parent. Listen to your gut. Pediatricians are MEDICAL DOCTORS. What makes them the authority on parenting?
I think you have a very narrow viewpoint on CIO if you only think it is letting a child cry until they puke or ignoring their cries for food and comfort (you said in your last post). I did CIO with my DS when he started waking at night, multiple times a night. He didn't need food, he wasn't sick, he wasn't teething, he just wanted to hang out with me. I'm sorry, but 2 am is not an appropriate time for hanging out. There is nothing wrong with teaching a 6 month old this by not going in when they start to cry. It is teaching them that night time is the time to sleep. Guess what? In a couple of nights he stopped. Not because mommy was mean, but because he realized when I cry at night and nothing is wrong, I need to go back to sleep. By going in, he would have just continually kept waking up at that time to hang out. Nope, not appropriate. However, I knew my son and knew his cues/cries and when he was sick, teething, had pooped or was fine. My son is now 5. He's not psychologically scarred as you say. Incidently, I didn't do CIO with my DD because when she started waking at night she really was hungry and needed to eat. I just kept feeding her until she stopped waking on her own. That's what a good mommy does. She does what is appropriate for her child based on what she knows about her individual child. Sometimes parenting needs to be flexible, not rigid and judgmental.
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mrandmrs12
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Re: When you disagree on C.I.O.
I would tthink 4 months is a little early for CIO. Usually they say to start it at 6 months if you want to do CIO, I believe.
With my DS, CIO worked like a CHARM. He was 10 months old, and I was at rock bottom. He was waking up every 15 minutes at night. He cried fora while the3 first night, but it wasn't forever. The second night he cried 7 minutes. That was it!!!!!He is 6 now and still an awesome sleeper, and a very happy boy.
With my DD, it did NOT work. It was just not for her. I tried it for a while, but there was just no change. She slept in her fisher price papasan ttill 6 months old and just dealt the best I could with the lack of sleep. She is just about 4 now, and she is also an awesome sleeper, and a very happy girl.
HTH!!! good luck, it can be so hard when you an dDH don't see eye to eye.
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