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Re: What does the term "natural delivery" mean to you?
Posted by chelle
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No drugs. But I know a lot of moms will they say they had a natural delivery because they delivered vaginally.
I agree with you. I hear a lot of mom's talking about how they went natural...when in fact, they had drugs.
A vaginal delivery does not mean "natural" (if you had an EPI)
A "natural delivery" = absolutely NO DRUGS.
ITA with this.
I had a vaginal birth with drugs, I would never call it natural
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Re: What does the term "natural delivery" mean to you?
This discussion has me wondering, is an unmedicated vaginal birth with an episiotomy natural?
Personally, I don't care what label was given to my son's birth but the discussion is interesting.
I had a C-section for medical reasons that are undisputable reasons to have a C-section. I don't care that people do not consider it to have been a natural birth but any suggestion that I did it for convenience or that I wimped out is rather insulting. Very few women have C-sections just because they feel like it but the few who do have lead a lot of people to believe that people like me haven't earned their wings or something.
The goal is a healthy baby.
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Re: What does the term "natural delivery" mean to you?
Posted by Kerie-is-so-very
This discussion has me wondering, is an unmedicated vaginal birth with an episiotomy natural?
What if you have an unmedicated vaginal birth and you don't have an episiotomy but, you tear and need stitches - is that a natural birth  Sorry I couldn't resist! That was DS's birth. But I have to say - I never thought about this b/c no one ever asked me "how" I gave birth to DS - in fact, i don't think anyone but my immediate family and close friends knows I didn't get an epi.
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Re: What does the term "natural delivery" mean to you?
This thread may lead us right back into a circumcision discussion  .
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Re: What does the term "natural delivery" mean to you?
Posted by Mere09
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I think of it as vaginally with out any drugs.
same for me.
same here.
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browneyedgirl
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Re: What does the term "natural delivery" mean to you?
Posted by dm24angel
Natural is no medication.
A vaginal birth with an epidural for instance is not a "natural" birth, it is a medicated "assisted" birth.
I HATE when people say vaginal deliveries are natural when they had med's. Maybe b/c I tried so hard to have a natural birth, the word meant something to me and it mattered more.
i find this such a rude post. you "HATE" it when people consider their birth natural when they had meds? i had a natural birth AND i had meds. no one can change my mind on that. the OP asked what we consider natural to be--so obviously people consider it different things. to me vaginal=natural.
i'm amazed that people think having an unmedicated birth is somehow better than a medicated one. there's no difference!!!!! i am not a superhero because i had meds, and i wouldn't be a superhero if i didn't. i'm a superhero because i gave birth to a WONDERFUL little boy, and the WAY i gave birth shouldn't matter at all.
i could have died, and/or my baby WOULD have died without medical intervention. i consider that pretty amazing that he and i came out relatively unscathed. they could have cut my body to shreds to get him out--all that matters is the baby is safe and sound.
why do moms feel the need to judge how we give birth? i don't consider myself any better or worse than a mom who had a c-section, or a mom who adopted.
we're all MOMS, and that's all that matters.
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Re: What does the term "natural delivery" mean to you?
Posted by browneyedgirl
Posted by dm24angel
Natural is no medication.
A vaginal birth with an epidural for instance is not a "natural" birth, it is a medicated "assisted" birth.
I HATE when people say vaginal deliveries are natural when they had med's. Maybe b/c I tried so hard to have a natural birth, the word meant something to me and it mattered more.
i find this such a rude post. you "HATE" it when people consider their birth natural when they had meds? i had a natural birth AND i had meds. no one can change my mind on that. the OP asked what we consider natural to be--so obviously people consider it different things. to me vaginal=natural.
i'm amazed that people think having an unmedicated birth is somehow better than a medicated one. there's no difference!!!!! i am not a superhero because i had meds, and i wouldn't be a superhero if i didn't. i'm a superhero because i gave birth to a WONDERFUL little boy, and the WAY i gave birth shouldn't matter at all.
i could have died, and/or my baby WOULD have died without medical intervention. i consider that pretty amazing that he and i came out relatively unscathed. they could have cut my body to shreds to get him out--all that matters is the baby is safe and sound.
why do moms feel the need to judge how we give birth? i don't consider myself any better or worse than a mom who had a c-section, or a mom who adopted.
we're all MOMS, and that's all that matters.
Maybe I'm misreading dm's post. For her natural means unmedicated, vaginal. To you it means something different. That's the whole point of the post.
I don't think anyone on this thread is passing judgment on how people gave birth. This post did make me realize one thing. I don't think I use the word natural when discussing how I gave birth nor do I care how other people describe their birth.
FTR, I know some militant "natural" childbirth advocates who do not consider if you had ANY medical intervention (including the episiotomy) a natural child birth.
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Re: What does the term "natural delivery" mean to you?
Posted by browneyedgirl
Posted by dm24angel
Natural is no medication.
A vaginal birth with an epidural for instance is not a "natural" birth, it is a medicated "assisted" birth.
I HATE when people say vaginal deliveries are natural when they had med's. Maybe b/c I tried so hard to have a natural birth, the word meant something to me and it mattered more.
i find this such a rude post. you "HATE" it when people consider their birth natural when they had meds? i had a natural birth AND i had meds. no one can change my mind on that. the OP asked what we consider natural to be--so obviously people consider it different things. to me vaginal=natural.
i'm amazed that people think having an unmedicated birth is somehow better than a medicated one. there's no difference!!!!! i am not a superhero because i had meds, and i wouldn't be a superhero if i didn't. i'm a superhero because i gave birth to a WONDERFUL little boy, and the WAY i gave birth shouldn't matter at all.
i could have died, and/or my baby WOULD have died without medical intervention. i consider that pretty amazing that he and i came out relatively unscathed. they could have cut my body to shreds to get him out--all that matters is the baby is safe and sound.
why do moms feel the need to judge how we give birth? i don't consider myself any better or worse than a mom who had a c-section, or a mom who adopted.
we're all MOMS, and that's all that matters.
I don't think anyone on this thread said an unmedicated birth is better than a medicated one. I also don't see anyone here on this thread judging anyone elses choices regarding how they gave birth.
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Re: What does the term "natural delivery" mean to you?
Posted by SweetCaroline
Following up on this, I know someone who was induced with pitocin but did not have an epi, and labels it a natural birth. Do you consider this natural? To me, there was medical intervention and drugs involved.
Not that I care what she wants to call her own delivery, but I was curious if this is in the "grey" area of natural.
Wow you are so right and I never thought about it that way. I always thought I had a natural birth with all 3, b/c they wre all drug free BUT my last I was induced for b/c she had a heart mermur (sp?)
Now that you brought it to my attention it wasn't natural b/c potocin in my IV put me in labor.
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Re: What does the term "natural delivery" mean to you?
Posted by browneyedgirl
Posted by dm24angel
Natural is no medication.
A vaginal birth with an epidural for instance is not a "natural" birth, it is a medicated "assisted" birth.
I HATE when people say vaginal deliveries are natural when they had med's. Maybe b/c I tried so hard to have a natural birth, the word meant something to me and it mattered more.
i find this such a rude post. you "HATE" it when people consider their birth natural when they had meds? i had a natural birth AND i had meds. no one can change my mind on that. the OP asked what we consider natural to be--so obviously people consider it different things. to me vaginal=natural.
i'm amazed that people think having an unmedicated birth is somehow better than a medicated one. there's no difference!!!!! i am not a superhero because i had meds, and i wouldn't be a superhero if i didn't. i'm a superhero because i gave birth to a WONDERFUL little boy, and the WAY i gave birth shouldn't matter at all.
i could have died, and/or my baby WOULD have died without medical intervention. i consider that pretty amazing that he and i came out relatively unscathed. they could have cut my body to shreds to get him out--all that matters is the baby is safe and sound.
why do moms feel the need to judge how we give birth? i don't consider myself any better or worse than a mom who had a c-section, or a mom who adopted.
we're all MOMS, and that's all that matters.
Woah...Why so defensive? Your putting words and thoughts into my mouth I didn't say nor feel.
I never said a medicated birth was any less a birth...but it simply is not natural.
The term natural birth means unmedicated...simple as that...no arguement to be had....it means nothing else. And I'm talking in medical terms. You are saying Natural=vaginal. That is not correct. It is not a matter of opinion or judgement or anything. Its a medical term and it means what it means.
Nowhere did I ever say that I felt any certain way about the mom's ?? I dont feel this or that way about medication used during birth. Thats not what this conversation/discussion is all about at all.
I had a c/s. I dont think it makes me any less of a women or mother that I didnt end up doing things naturally ( or vaginally) , so don't assume I feel that way about you or anyone else.
Like I said, Im talking semantics here. There is a term for an unmedicated birth ....many people think Vaginal birth means the same thing. It doesn't.
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Re: What does the term "natural delivery" mean to you?
Posted by dm24angel
Posted by browneyedgirl
Posted by dm24angel
Natural is no medication.
A vaginal birth with an epidural for instance is not a "natural" birth, it is a medicated "assisted" birth.
I HATE when people say vaginal deliveries are natural when they had med's. Maybe b/c I tried so hard to have a natural birth, the word meant something to me and it mattered more.
i find this such a rude post. you "HATE" it when people consider their birth natural when they had meds? i had a natural birth AND i had meds. no one can change my mind on that. the OP asked what we consider natural to be--so obviously people consider it different things. to me vaginal=natural.
i'm amazed that people think having an unmedicated birth is somehow better than a medicated one. there's no difference!!!!! i am not a superhero because i had meds, and i wouldn't be a superhero if i didn't. i'm a superhero because i gave birth to a WONDERFUL little boy, and the WAY i gave birth shouldn't matter at all.
i could have died, and/or my baby WOULD have died without medical intervention. i consider that pretty amazing that he and i came out relatively unscathed. they could have cut my body to shreds to get him out--all that matters is the baby is safe and sound.
why do moms feel the need to judge how we give birth? i don't consider myself any better or worse than a mom who had a c-section, or a mom who adopted.
we're all MOMS, and that's all that matters.
Woah...Why so defensive? Your putting words and thoughts into my mouth I didn't say nor feel.
I never said a medicated birth was any less a birth...but it simply is not natural.
The term natural birth means unmedicated...simple as that...no arguement to be had....it means nothing else. And I'm talking in medical terms. You are saying Natural=vaginal. That is not correct. It is not a matter of opinion or judgement or anything. Its a medical term and it means what it means.
Nowhere did I ever say that I felt any certain way about the mom's ?? I dont feel this or that way about medication used during birth. Thats not what this conversation/discussion is all about at all.
I had a c/s. I dont think it makes me any less of a women or mother that I didnt end up doing things naturally ( or vaginally) , so don't assume I feel that way about you or anyone else.
Like I said, Im talking semantics here. There is a term for an unmedicated birth ....many people think Vaginal birth means the same thing. It doesn't.
sorry, i wasn't trying to imply that you were judging moms. i should have made that more clear. this was my reaction to reading this post, should have made that clearer.
it doesn't matter to me what type of birth i had, all that matters is my child is healthy.
and i respectfully continue to disagree on the semantics of the word meaning. obviously, many of us think differently about the word. i think natural=vaginal.
again, i apologize and didn't mean to imply YOU were stating these things--it's just how i felt when reading the thread.
i guess why i'm so defensive is because you can't imagine how many people try to make me feel badly for using the vacuum and getting an episiotomy to get DS out. what they don't realize is he couldn't come out on his own and i needed medical intervention or he would still be stuck in there. i get this all the time, and i don't feel badly at all for doing what i had to do for my baby. so when i see a discussion like this, i kinda get sucked back into those thoughts, you know? (i realize this thread is about epidurals, but mine kind of went hand in hand.)
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I think it means both vaginal and non-medicated
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If you shave your vagina is the birth really natural? It doesn't look the same.
Edited because I spelled shave wrong the first time!
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Re: What does the term "natural delivery" mean to you?
Posted by Kerie-is-so-very
If you shave your vagina is the birth really natural? It doesn't look the same.
Edited because I spelled shave wrong the first time!
OMG, you lost your 11ft pole
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Re: What does the term "natural delivery" mean to you?
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i guess why i'm so defensive is because you can't imagine how many people try to make me feel badly for using the vacuum and getting an episiotomy to get DS out.
huh? What? WHO????????
Are you serious? Why o why can't people mind their own business? Never in a trillion years would I even comment on something like that. Sorry people made you feel badly. That's just ridiculous!
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Re: What does the term "natural delivery" mean to you?
Posted by Kerie-is-so-very
If you shave your vagina is the birth really natural? It doesn't look the same.
Edited because I spelled shave wrong the first time!
I'll say this much, I got to the hospital less than 20 minutes before I delivered -no time for an IV, any drugs during labor and after didn't ask for so much as a tylenol. But the tear I learned about at my 6wk PP appt was NOT NATURAL. So, believe me, I would never argue natural is better! 
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Re: What does the term "natural delivery" mean to you?
Posted by Kerie-is-so-very
If you shave your vagina is the birth really natural? It doesn't look the same.
Edited because I spelled shave wrong the first time!
I don't know, but I do know that u are naturally funny!
Thanks for the chuckle!
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Re: What does the term "natural delivery" mean to you?
Posted by CrankyPants
Posted by SweetCaroline
Following up on this, I know someone who was induced with pitocin but did not have an epi, and labels it a natural birth. Do you consider this natural? To me, there was medical intervention and drugs involved.
Not that I care what she wants to call her own delivery, but I was curious if this is in the "grey" area of natural.
No, I call that the worst pain imaginable!
Ditto. She's a hero.
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Posted by KateDevine
Posted by Kerie-is-so-very
If you shave your vagina is the birth really natural? It doesn't look the same.
Edited because I spelled shave wrong the first time!
OMG, you lost your 11ft pole
I think I told you where I keep it. I forgot to pull it out!!!!!!
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Re: What does the term "natural delivery" mean to you?
I had all my kids vaginally, without drugs of any sort...including 2 sets of twins...
But I screamed and told them to knock me out, that I changed my mind, each and every time....
Does that count as natural?
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Re: What does the term "natural delivery" mean to you?
i believe natural is a vaginal birth. there's nothing "unnatural" about pushing a baby out of your vajay jay. and i'm willing to be that a lot of women that said they had a natural birth (no meds) had their water broken for them or their membranes stripped. that's not "natural" in their terms AT ALL.
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Re: What does the term "natural delivery" mean to you?
Posted by MommaTo3Dogs1Boy
i believe natural is a vaginal birth. there's nothing "unnatural" about pushing a baby out of your vajay jay. and i'm willing to be that a lot of women that said they had a natural birth (no meds) had their water broken for them or their membranes stripped. that's not "natural" in their terms AT ALL.
I gave birth with no epidural. My water broke on its own and I have no idea what having your "membranes stripped" means so I can assure you that never happened.
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Re: What does the term "natural delivery" mean to you?
so, out of curiosity, are we agreeing that labor inducing drugs (cervadil and pitocin) make a vaginal, non epidural delivery not natural? i would have said i had a natural delivery with no pain meds, but i was induced so now i'm 
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Re: What does the term "natural delivery" mean to you?
To me, giving birth to an early 11 1/2 pound baby is natural. But what else do I know?
Typically, if I hear 'natural', I assume no drugs and a vaginal delivery. The pitocin thing is a grey area. Just because your contractions are 'induced' does not make the DELIVERY any less natural. So I could go either way with pitocin.
As for the episiotomy, hmmmm.
ETA: If we are discussing meds like pitocin, shouldn't we then discuss meds to help us get PG, or pre-natals? Where do we draw the line at natural? Must it be natural within 24 hours of a baby being delivered? This I would not touch with an 11 foot pole, or a 20 foot pole. (Yep, that's right, I put it out there.)
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Re: What does the term "natural delivery" mean to you?
Posted by waterspout4
ETA: If we are discussing meds like pitocin, shouldn't we then discuss meds to help us get PG, or pre-natals? Where do we draw the line at natural? Must it be natural within 24 hours of a baby being delivered? This I would not touch with an 11 foot pole, or a 20 foot pole. (Yep, that's right, I put it out there.)
This is why I cringe at the word "natural" used for any part of having a baby. I am often asked if my twins are "natural." Because I had to take clomid to have them, does that make them "unnatural?" I have had to bite my tongue several times because I want to say something to the effect of "no they are robot babies." I also had to have a c-section because DS was breech, not natural at all. I understand what people are asking when they use the term "natural," but I think for a lot of women, suggesting that the conception or birth of their children was "unnatural" is offensive.
Does this make any sense?
Oh and if everyone here had had completely "natural" childbirths, a lot of us wouldn't be here to debate about it, so I think medical intervention is a good thing.
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