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Stacey1403
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The Golden Compass
I just got this in an e-mail. I thought this was an adult movie not a kids one.
IMPORTANT Info . . .If you have kids or grandkids or know anyone who does, please READ THIS and then send it on. I don't want MY Grandkids seeing this movie NOR reading this persons books!!!!
Unfortunately, this is going to affect so many children in the USA. Please look at this link:
This kids movie is coming out in December starring Nicole Kidman. I believe it's called The Golden Compass, and while it will be a watered down version, it is based on a series of children's books about killing God (it is anti-Narnia).
Please follow this link, and then pass it on. From what I understand, the hope is to get a lot of kids to see the movie - which won't seem too bad - and then get the parents to buy the books for their kids for Christmas. The quotes from the author sum it all up. I hope it totally bombs because we were all paying attention!
http://snopes.com/politics/religion/compass.asp
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rojerono
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Re: The Golden Compass
The books were amazing.
There are a lot of books out there that are not on par with religious doctrine. It doesn't make the art bad.
Just remember your kids will learn more from YOU than from any piece of literature, any movie or any music that they may choose to listen to.
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CaMacho
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Re: The Golden Compass
I've heard about the controversy over this film. I would like to see it.
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In the last part of the trilogy, they kill God, real nice.
Do they use the word "God" though?
(Edited to reword my sentence.)
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Re: The Golden Compass
Posted by CaMacho
I've heard about the controversy over this film. I would like to see it.
Posted by cpanyc
In the last part of the trilogy, they kill God, real nice.
Do they use the word "God" though?
(Edited to reword my sentence.)
In the books they kill 'The Authority'. This character is not the creator of All - but the first and oldest of the Angels.
Honestly - the books are more of an indictment of organized religion than of God. This reminds me of when people went bananas and wanted to crucify Kevin Smith for creating Dogma - which was a hilarious movie.
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Re: The Golden Compass
Posted by rojerono
There are a lot of books out there that are not on par with religious doctrine. It doesn't make the art bad.
Just remember your kids will learn more from YOU than from any piece of literature, any movie or any music that they may choose to listen to.
 Well said.
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Re: The Golden Compass
Interesting.
Maybe I was a complete dolt, but when I was a kid, I didn't get all the Christian symbolism in the Narnia books. Allegory was way over my head. Who's to say that kids will understand the underlying point of this movie?
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Posted by Stacey1403
I thought this was an adult movie not a kids one.
It's rated PG-13. The books are young adult fantasy.
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Re: The Golden Compass
Imay be in the minority, but I don't see the issue here. Sheilding children from other people's ideas does not a well rounded person make. It says in snopes that his point is against organized religion favoring an idealized afterlife over this lie on Earth here- it's not a violent or hateful message. Just different.
I don't think it's too strong an idea for a young adult book series- I think it's important for young adults to question their ideals- religious, moral, otherwise. It's what makes them the adults they will become.
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Posted by rojerono
In the books they kill 'The Authority'. This character is not the creator of All - but the first and oldest of the Angels.
That's what I thought I read, thanks.
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ok as a religious person i dont like the idea of them trying to "fool" kids into buying into it.
but since i dont have kids its a free for all and i'm still gonna see it cause it looks like it has really cool special effects! 
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Posted by alnem
ok as a religious person i dont like the idea of them trying to "fool" kids into buying into it.
I have only read a little about this movie, but i'm interested in your statement. How are they "fooling" them?
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Posted by alnem
ok as a religious person i dont like the idea of them trying to "fool" kids into buying into it.
I have only read a little about this movie, but i'm interested in your statement. How are they "fooling" them?
quote from snopes:
"The movie has been dumbed down to fool kids and their parents in the hope that they will buy this trilogy..."
i just think its another author with strong political/religious beliefs who put it down in words. now that its a movie, they're hoping the kids will want the parents to buy the books (like the big harry potter trend) and the books are a bit stronger (from what i understand).
i dont see the harm as i agree with one of the AP's. if parents teach their kids between what they believe is right and wrong, there shouldnt be any problems.
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Re: The Golden Compass
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it's not a violent or hateful message. Just different.
So killing God is not hateful or violent? As someone who believes in God, I think it is.
She said "It says in snopes that his point is against organized religion favoring an idealized afterlife over this lie on Earth here" is not a hateful message.
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She said "It says in snopes that his point is against organized religion favoring an idealized afterlife over this lie on Earth here" is not a hateful message.
But how is this message being delivered? Through his books and movie, which end in a hateful/violent manor, IMO.
I can't answer that. I haven't read the books nor have I seen the movie. I can't make an informed decision.
I just felt like she was being incorrectly quoted and that's unfair.
What I do know, is this is a work of fiction and like all others will be left up to interpretation. As a PG13 movie no small child should be seeing this alone anyway. If a child questions it's meaning, it's our responsibility to be there to explain and help them understand and give guidance where necessary.
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Re: The Golden Compass
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Posted by Preguntas
it's not a violent or hateful message. Just different.
So killing God is not hateful or violent? As someone who believes in God, I think it is.
She said "It says in snopes that his point is against organized religion favoring an idealized afterlife over this lie on Earth here" is not a hateful message.
But how is this message being delivered? Through his books and movie, which end in a hateful/violent manor, IMO.
The death of The Authority (again Pullman was clear in his book that this character is NOT God in that he did not create anything) was not really violent.
I promise that my intention is not to sound like a snot, but I think you may want to read the book instead of basing your opinion on someone elses interpretation.
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Well, as someone who read all of the books and absolutely loved them, I have to say that even if Pullman said they were about killing God, it's clear that his issue is with organized religion, and that's the most dramatic and powerful way for him to convey that. The books are based on Milton's Paradise Lost... I think they're incredible, and I can't wait to see the film.
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The death of The Authority (again Pullman was clear in his book that this character is NOT God in that he did not create anything) was not really violent.
I promise that my intention is not to sound like a snot, but I think you may want to read the book instead of basing your opinion on someone elses interpretation.
The author himself said his books are about killing God. I have no interest in reading the books or seeing the movie for this reason. I am simply trying to explain why people who believe in God would have a problem with it.
I have a very strong faith in God - so please don't interpret my belief that art and religion can live independently as an atheist view point.
Pullman's commentaries about 'killing God' - when taken in the actual context are about killing a creation of man. He assigns the Authority as a being that people have determined to call God - but who is NOT in fact the creator. In the book souls dissolve and become part of 'the universe' from which them came. This includes the character of The Authority - who is grateful for his release to the universe. This may be construed as a very theistic point of view all in all.
I am not interested in a debate, I just think it is worthwhile to be fully informed when making a decision. 
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Posted by nels
Well, as someone who read all of the books and absolutely loved them, I have to say that even if Pullman said they were about killing God, it's clear that his issue is with organized religion, and that's the most dramatic and powerful way for him to convey that. The books are based on Milton's Paradise Lost... I think they're incredible, and I can't wait to see the film.
I agree. Did you read William Blake's "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell"?
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It seems like the email is more zealous than the movie itself.
People get too worked up about this stuff.
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Posted by firsttimer
It seems like the email is more zealous than the movie itself.
People get too worked up about this stuff.
agreed....
things like this make me laugh, gtrying to get otghers to not see a movie....
Passion of Christ drew this same response as the one above people many people saw and enjoyed "A Movie"
Its a movie, get over it...trying to put down something that may or maynot be true is just slanderous...
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Posted by Preguntas
Imay be in the minority, but I don't see the issue here. Sheilding children from other people's ideas does not a well rounded person make. It says in snopes that his point is against organized religion favoring an idealized afterlife over this lie on Earth here- it's not a violent or hateful message. Just different.
I don't think it's too strong an idea for a young adult book series- I think it's important for young adults to question their ideals- religious, moral, otherwise. It's what makes them the adults they will become.
Couldn't have said it better myself. very well put
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