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Re: The Flu Shot- Debunking the myth
I have only ever seen that idea mentione here on lif- that people who don't have the flu can still be "carriers" and infect people. Is there any literature in support of that? Nothing on the CDC website implies as much (http://m.cdc.gov/en/HealthSafetyTopics/DiseasesConditions/SeasonalFlu/About/howFluSpreads) but it is something I have read on here before so am curious.
It seems clear to me from what I read that you have to have flu to spread flu but maybe I am wrong. If its just the idea of someone who has the flu getting their germs on a non infected person which then infects someone - well then, if that first person didn't have flu then there wouldn't be an issue. It would still hold that limiting the number of ppl with the flu would, well, limit the number of ppl with the flu! But I'm no scientist.
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Re: The Flu Shot- Debunking the myth
Also, mrs. Frizzle, I am curious about the responsible independent research you have conducted in support of the views in your post, since you fault paramount for failing to conduct such.
Anyway, I give up. If y'all are unmoved by stories of how immune compromised children can be affected by your decisions not to give shots, then I'm going to bed :)
My last word - if any of you were bringing home a nicu baby, you would be lining up to get the flu shot, whopping cough, pneumonia etc. (and making their caregivers too!) because actual doctors will have informed you as to the very real risks these viruses pose to your children. As opposed to alternative periodicals theorizing about scientifically unproven "adverse" reactions.
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Re: The Flu Shot- Debunking the myth
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The fear is totally understandable. But since you site the CDC website, they also have a lot to say about the increased impact the flu has on pregnant women, as they are also technically an immune compromised group. But hey, in life we all weigh the pros and cons and do what's best for us. I was just trying to get folks to realize that the vaccine issue is a community one. I never had that perspective until I became a preemie mom. My kids are healthy now but I just have so much empathy for all the preemie moms taking their kids home from the NICU this winter, terrified of germs they cant see, who only wish they could get their kid the flu shot.
Right, but like I said, i do not know how I personally react to the shot and I don't think pregnancy is the time to experiment. I am not anti-vaccine. I got the TDaP (I have had Pertussis 3 times - more than I've ever had the flu!) and my husband will as well. My child will be vaccinated - probably on a delayed schedule but vaccinated nonetheless.
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Re: The Flu Shot- Debunking the myth
Posted by MommyX3
I have only ever seen that idea mentione here on lif- that people who don't have the flu can still be "carriers" and infect people. Is there any literature in support of that? Nothing on the CDC website implies as much (http://m.cdc.gov/en/HealthSafetyTopics/DiseasesConditions/SeasonalFlu/About/howFluSpreads) but it is something I have read on here before so am curious.
It seems clear to me from what I read that you have to have flu to spread flu but maybe I am wrong. If its just the idea of someone who has the flu getting their germs on a non infected person which then infects someone - well then, if that first person didn't have flu then there wouldn't be an issue. It would still hold that limiting the number of ppl with the flu would, well, limit the number of ppl with the flu! But I'm no scientist.
From the CDC website - Some people can be infected with the flu virus but have no symptoms. During this time, those persons may still spread the virus to others.
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MommyX3
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Re: The Flu Shot- Debunking the myth
Yeah...and if said person got the flu shot they would (probably) not be infected and asymptomatic and spreading the flu.
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Re: The Flu Shot- Debunking the myth
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Also, mrs. Frizzle, I am curious about the responsible independent research you have conducted in support of the views in your post, since you fault paramount for failing to conduct such.
Anyway, I give up. If y'all are unmoved by stories of how immune compromised children can be affected by your decisions not to give shots, then I'm going to bed :)
My last word - if any of you were bringing home a nicu baby, you would be lining up to get the flu shot, whopping cough, pneumonia etc. (and making their caregivers too!) because actual doctors will have informed you as to the very real risks these viruses pose to your children. As opposed to alternative periodicals theorizing about scientifically unproven "adverse" reactions.
Actually I wasn't calling out Paramount, last I checked she didn't write the article. I never tell anyone what to do, any and every time anyone asks for me to send them my research I clearly state that they should read it and make their own decision and research BOTH sides of an issue. The article posted is clearly one sided which I take great issue with. It's not an article that anyone should be basing their decisions on. There is no proper sourcing, and just vague mentions of where "research" was pulled from.
I think it's clear I am anti-flu shot but I have never and would never tell anyone not to get it. Would I ever get it myself? Absolutely not, nor would I ever get them for my children. But that is my decision because I rely on holistic and alternative methods to safeguard myself and family and there are plenty of ways to do so.
I was not looking to get into a why the flu shot is good or bad debate, that information is all out there for anyone to find, but to simply read an article like this and base your decision off of it is irresponsible IMO, read both sides of an argument, search pro's and cons find the same answers from multiple sources and then make an educated decision.
And FTR no I would most definitely not be lining up to get a flu shot etc for a nicu baby, absolutely not when in all likelihood their system is likely weakened. Nor do I think people are "unmoved" by stories of immune compromised children and I think it's grossly unfair for you to even say so.
NO ONE should be trying to sway anyone one way or another with stories or whatever. Present facts and research and let people decide for themselves. But like I said, I wasn't trying to open a debate on the merits of a flu shot I was pointing out that that particular article is not a good resource to form an opinion.
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MommyX3
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Re: The Flu Shot- Debunking the myth
Yeah...and if said person got the flu shot they would (probably) not be infected and asymptomatic and spreading the flu.
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Re: The Flu Shot- Debunking the myth
Posted by MrsFrizzle
Posted by MommyX3
Also, mrs. Frizzle, I am curious about the responsible independent research you have conducted in support of the views in your post, since you fault paramount for failing to conduct such.
Anyway, I give up. If y'all are unmoved by stories of how immune compromised children can be affected by your decisions not to give shots, then I'm going to bed :)
My last word - if any of you were bringing home a nicu baby, you would be lining up to get the flu shot, whopping cough, pneumonia etc. (and making their caregivers too!) because actual doctors will have informed you as to the very real risks these viruses pose to your children. As opposed to alternative periodicals theorizing about scientifically unproven "adverse" reactions.
Actually I wasn't calling out Paramount, last I checked she didn't write the article. I never tell anyone what to do, any and every time anyone asks for me to send them my research I clearly state that they should read it and make their own decision and research BOTH sides of an issue. The article posted is clearly one sided which I take great issue with. It's not an article that anyone should be basing their decisions on. There is no proper sourcing, and just vague mentions of where "research" was pulled from.
I think it's clear I am anti-flu shot but I have never and would never tell anyone not to get it. Would I ever get it myself? Absolutely not, nor would I ever get them for my children. But that is my decision because I rely on holistic and alternative methods to safeguard myself and family and there are plenty of ways to do so.
I was not looking to get into a why the flu shot is good or bad debate, that information is all out there for anyone to find, but to simply read an article like this and base your decision off of it is irresponsible IMO, read both sides of an argument, search pro's and cons find the same answers from multiple sources and then make an educated decision.
And FTR no I would most definitely not be lining up to get a flu shot etc for a nicu baby, absolutely not when in all likelihood their system is likely weakened. Nor do I think people are "unmoved" by stories of immune compromised children and I think it's grossly unfair for you to even say so.
NO ONE should be trying to sway anyone one way or another with stories or whatever. Present facts and research and let people decide for themselves. But like I said, I wasn't trying to open a debate on the merits of a flu shot I was pointing out that that particular article is not a good resource to form an opinion.
 
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MommyX3
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Re: The Flu Shot- Debunking the myth
I'm sorry but this is not a great article IMO at all. It's just spewing a bunch of information out there and is completely one sided and to me just looks like a load of propaganda. If you want to be responsible do the research yourself and don't depend on a "journalist" to do it for you. Not to mention that much of what she deems safe in her "expert" opinion is most definitely not.
I apologize. I inferred from above that you were chiding the OP for relying on what the "journalist" wrote. You have clarified that you were referring to the journalist who wrote the article.
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Posted by MommyX3
Yeah...and if said person got the flu shot they would (probably) not be infected and asymptomatic and spreading the flu.
I don't believe it specified one way or the other.
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MommyX3
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Re: The Flu Shot- Debunking the myth
Look. People want to make the decision not to vaccinate/get the flu shot and pretend that it has no effect on the greater community. It does. Clearly I have touched a nerve.
But I do thank you all for explaining your views. An I apologize again for misreading your earlier comment.
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IMO people who don't get a flu shot bc it's not 100% effective are like people who don't wear a seatbelt bc you might die in a car crash even with it on. When you think about how many people get a flu shot every year, and how I never hear of any horrible things happening to these people (except the few who swear it makes them sick, even though it is a dead virus, and can't really make you sick) I think the flu shot is pretty safe. If it weren't, I'm sure we would be hearing about it.
I agree with PP about it being a free country though, and to each there own! If someone wants to risk getting the flu, that's their prerogative...just hope they stay home if they feel sick!
seriously?? That is a bad analogy. I wear my seatbealt. Juts because you get a flu shot DOES not guarantee you weont get the flu. You can still get it, just like driving a car with a seatbelt...you can still get killed.
You just said to each there own, so LAY off the people who choose NOT to get the shot. I didnt harp on you because you get it. It is your body, not mine
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Still don't do flu shots!!!!!
:) Same here
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I strongly believe in the flu shot. DC and I have been getting it for years and have never had any reaction greater than a sore arm. The fact is the flu can be deadly. I think most people don't realize how quickly flu complications can spiral out of control.
Last flu season DH was the only one of us who did not get the flu shot. He didn't really believe in it and he is usually incredibly healthy. Well, DH ended up getting the flu which then turned into pneumonia. He was shockingly sick. DC and I ended up with sniffles for a day - that was it - despite living in close quarters with DH.
This year DH got his flu shot in September 
The flu can be serious business. Normally, I am very into all natural, organic items however I do not believe that holistic approaches are effective against serious illness. 15o years ago all they had were holistic measures and yet people dropped like flies.
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Thank you for posting this. My neice almost died of the flu when she was 4. She was in the hospital for weeks and ten years later my sister and brother in law still recall it as the worst time of their lives. People don't realize that this is a potentially deadly virus.
Earlier this year my preemie triplets were exposed to chicken pox by an unvaccinated child. I waited over two weeks in agony to see if my vulnerable, premature babies would suffer at the hands of someone else's parenting decisions.
Those of you who don't vaccinate, your child could catch the flu, recover beautifully, and pass it on to someone immune compromised who will not recover as well, or at all.
You know what, I usually make sure to get DS the Flu Shot (didnt last year, mistake) but dont always get mine every year. The reason I dont get it is out of pure laziness and even in my case its not good because I have asthma. But you brought up a good point because I never thought of how I can compromise someone else when I get sick with the flu. I am going to make sure DH and I get it now.
Thank you!
Please know that someone who has not received a flu shot vs someone who has can BOTH still infect you. The germs can be carried on BOTH people equally, and in addition someone who was vaccinated is not 100p cured against the flu.
Thank you but I do know this. One year I did get the Flu even though I got the flu shot. On the other hand I have a weak immune system I believe due to all the nebulizer treatments I have taken over the years.
Im not anti-flu. I am not going to get into why.
When I dont get the Flu shot for myself its because I am lazy. I have asthma and should be getting it every year anyway.
Mommyx3 brought up another good point in why I should get it and it will make me more dilligent in making sure DH and I get the Flu shot. I should be getting it anyway.
Trust me its not fun not being able to breathe on top of getting the Flu & I curse myself when I do get the Flu for not getting my lazy ass to the doctors.
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Re: The Flu Shot- Debunking the myth
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The fear is totally understandable. But since you site the CDC website, they also have a lot to say about the increased impact the flu has on pregnant women, as they are also technically an immune compromised group. But hey, in life we all weigh the pros and cons and do what's best for us. I was just trying to get folks to realize that the vaccine issue is a community one. I never had that perspective until I became a preemie mom. My kids are healthy now but I just have so much empathy for all the preemie moms taking their kids home from the NICU this winter, terrified of germs they cant see, who only wish they could get their kid the flu shot.
Right, but like I said, i do not know how I personally react to the shot and I don't think pregnancy is the time to experiment. I am not anti-vaccine. I got the TDaP (I have had Pertussis 3 times - more than I've ever had the flu!) and my husband will as well. My child will be vaccinated - probably on a delayed schedule but vaccinated nonetheless.
Same exact thing with me... I also didnt get the Flu Shot while pregnant because ive never in my life gotten it... and im defiitely not anit vaccine, Hailey has gotten every vacc except the flu shot... and my ped did not flinch at all when i said i didnt want her to get it.
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The flu can be serious business. Normally, I am very into all natural, organic items however I do not believe that holistic approaches are effective against serious illness. 15o years ago all they had were holistic measures and yet people dropped like flies.
Less than 150 years ago. There were influenza pandemics/epidemics in 191-1920 and in 1928-1929. Otherwise healthy people dropped dead from it. Tens of millions of people. In 1918-1920, 500 million people were infected. This was the H1N1 virus, the same that we had an outbreak of in 2009, when vaccines were available.
In 1918 500 million people were infected.
In 2009, there were around 623,000 confirmed cases.
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The Flu Shot- Debunking the myth
Dh, my dcs and I choose not to get the flu shot. I have been advised to get the flu vaccine due to my lung condition and still choose not to. When I received the swine flu vaccine in 2009, I came down with with the swine flu 6 weeks after and developed pneumonia. My sister gave her family the flu shot every year up until last and every single year they had the flu...except last year. The dr would always say they contracted a different strain.
I am not worried about infecting others because if any of us are showing cold-like symptoms, we don't go out. My father is immunocompromized and we never go see him even with any type of cold-like symptom.
I dont fault those who get the flu shot at all, but this is one vaccine I am not comfortable getting for myself or my children, based on my own research.
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I never got the flu shot. Never had the flu.
I was tested for flu last year because I was really sick with something that was giving me 103 fever- but it all came back negative.
I didn't get it while pregnant either- my Dr didn't push it and I just didn't do it.
But DD gets it. I just know that it is so much more serious in babies and young kids. And she goes to daycare.
So I don't take chances with her.
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There is no question that this article is pretty much one sides, that why it says "de bunking".
There is a LOT of myth out there about the flu shot and what it can and cant do.
Every medicine has a risk.
Every single one. Including the flu shot.
I hope that this post helps people make an informed decision for themselves. I hope that someone who is on the fence about getting the shot because (for example) they are afraid they will get the flu from the shot, will change their mind because of solid facts.
Not because they "heard" something.
And yes, if they read this and say "wow I will never get the shot again" so be it. They still have FACTS, not myth.
Make the decision for yourself. Make the decision with your doctor.
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Re: The Flu Shot- Debunking the myth
Posted by MrsFrizzle
I'm sorry but this is not a great article IMO at all. It's just spewing a bunch of information out there and is completely one sided and to me just looks like a load of propaganda. If you want to be responsible do the research yourself and don't depend on a "journalist" to do it for you. Not to mention that much of what she deems safe in her "expert" opinion is most definitely not.
This.
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I'm just curious, truly, what is the beef with the flu shot? I just don't get it? What research are you guys going by? You're tearing about this article, but what research is your opinion based on, since truly you are at odds with conventional science. I don't mean to be snarky, I had immune compromised kids and anyone who didn't vaccinate themselves or their kids was a direct threat to us. I am just wondering what/where the science is against the flu shot.
I'm not going to state my opinions, because this always becomes a drama thread. But I will tell you that you can become sick after the flu shot. My grandmother is not allowed to have the flu shot anymore, ALL her doctors advise against it, and she has a lot at her age, because after the few times she had it, she developed pneumonia, and she was told it was because of the flu shot, and pneumonia can be just as deadly, if not more so, than the flu, so the risk was not worth it. In any case, it is a personal decision that you and your doctor should make.
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Re: The Flu Shot- Debunking the myth
Not looking to debate this issue at all but, I will say that say that I really don't understand how this is a "must read" to debunk the "misinformation" out there when, quite frankly, this article is filled with misinformation and things that are opinion and not fact at all. There are several things she states as fact that are completely untrue or, at the very least questionable.
For those on the fence, do the research, read the product inserts and speak to your doctor. When I was pregnant, I looked into the research on how vaccine safety was tested with re: to a pregnant woman and her unborn child. I would also look at studies done on the effectiveness of the flu shot in past years etc. I certainly would not use this article to make any kind of decision.
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I am pro flu shot, and get it whenever its offered. Some years i haven't gotten it, mainly due to laziness and some conflict when they offer it at work.
DS has gotten it and will continue to get it. DH gets it through work.
IMO, if its recommended, i'll get it. I'd rather not get the flu
everyone has their own reasons/stories why they won't - and i respect that - Until it affects me and my family directly.
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The Flu Shot- Debunking the myth
I have had the flu once in my adult life and it absolutely sucked. I could not believe how sick I was. If I had had kids at the time I do not know what I would have done. So for me, when the flu shot became available, I looked into the research and decided the positives outweighed the negatives. I have never had a reaction to the vaccine; neither have my kids. I am sure if any of us had experienced side effects then I would feel differently. My mother says she got sick from it and won't get it again. Bottom line is it is a personal decision.
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