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Redhead
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Spinoff to the orphanage
DO you think that people who are of higher stance (meaning police officers, priests, doctors etc)
Do you think if they are caught doing a serious crime, that the punishment should be worse than say the average person?
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Re: Spinoff to the orphanage
Posted by Redhead
DO you think that people who are of higher stance (meaning police officers, priests, doctors etc)
Do you think if they are caught doing a serious crime, that the punishment should be worse than say the average person?
Absolutely !
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Re: Spinoff to the orphanage
If there is implied trust that they are using to help to commit their crime, most definitely. However, in certain cases, like child molestation, whoever commits the crime should be punished to the full extent allowable. I dont' care who they are!
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Re: Spinoff to the orphanage
This will probably be a heated debate because its so opinion-like. In my opinion we shouldnt declare punishment on a person based on their rank in society. Though if you really think about it, if someone has mental problems they will be declared insane at the scene of the crime. So I guess why not say these people are the ultimate "should know betters" and give them a fight. I dont know that I think anyone should be classified into a "different" category for what they have done. I think its important to realize a crime was commited and judge it to the best of our ability how far we should go. While my wheels continue to spin... I think a cop, priest etc,,,should be given the same amount of time as you or myself. Its not about who should know better then the next person. Obviously you have to have some type of mental instability to hurt or kill a child so why dont we call all killers, rapists, etc...mentally "insane" at the time. Then everyone can be let free.
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Re: Spinoff to the orphanage
Posted by shamrock12472
If there is implied trust that they are using to help to commit their crime, most definitely. However, in certain cases, like child molestation, whoever commits the crime should be punished to the full extent allowable. I dont' care who they are!
IMO the punishment of a priest or a man of faith for molesting a child should be harder
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Re: Spinoff to the orphanage
Posted by shamrock12472
If there is implied trust that they are using to help to commit their crime, most definitely. However, in certain cases, like child molestation, whoever commits the crime should be punished to the full extent allowable. I dont' care who they are!
I would like to think that its not just child molestation that we would say take it to the extreme. If someone killed anyone around me, I would want it taken to the highest extreme. No one deserves to be hurt, murdered, raped, molested etc...
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Christine
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Re: Spinoff to the orphanage
No. I think the degree of punishment should be based on the crime not what the criminal did for a living.
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Re: Spinoff to the orphanage
Posted by PrincessP
This will probably be a heated debate because its so opinion-like. In my opinion we shouldnt declare punishment on a person based on their rank in society. Though if you really think about it, if someone has mental problems they will be declared insane at the scene of the crime. So I guess why not say these people are the ultimate "should know betters" and give them a fight. I dont know that I think anyone should be classified into a "different" category for what they have done. I think its important to realize a crime was commited and judge it to the best of our ability how far we should go. While my wheels continue to spin... I think a cop, priest etc,,,should be given the same amount of time as you or myself. Its not about who should know better then the next person. Obviously you have to have some type of mental instability to hurt or kill a child so why dont we call all killers, rapists, etc...mentally "insane" at the time. Then everyone can be let free.
I get that but they are people we trust and look up to.
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Re: Spinoff to the orphanage
Posted by Christine
No. I think the degree of punishment should be based on the crime not what the criminal did for a living.
Totally agree!
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Re: Spinoff to the orphanage
Posted by Redhead
Posted by shamrock12472
If there is implied trust that they are using to help to commit their crime, most definitely. However, in certain cases, like child molestation, whoever commits the crime should be punished to the full extent allowable. I dont' care who they are!
IMO the punishment of a priest or a man of faith for molesting a child should be harder
But why? Wouldn't you want that perpertator punished for what they did to the fullest extent? Just like that case in Brooklyn, those parents shouldn't be held any less responsible for what they did to that little girl because they aren't of a certain status or hold a certain position.
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Re: Spinoff to the orphanage
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Posted by PrincessP
This will probably be a heated debate because its so opinion-like. In my opinion we shouldnt declare punishment on a person based on their rank in society. Though if you really think about it, if someone has mental problems they will be declared insane at the scene of the crime. So I guess why not say these people are the ultimate "should know betters" and give them a fight. I dont know that I think anyone should be classified into a "different" category for what they have done. I think its important to realize a crime was commited and judge it to the best of our ability how far we should go. While my wheels continue to spin... I think a cop, priest etc,,,should be given the same amount of time as you or myself. Its not about who should know better then the next person. Obviously you have to have some type of mental instability to hurt or kill a child so why dont we call all killers, rapists, etc...mentally "insane" at the time. Then everyone can be let free.
I get that but they are people we trust and look up to.
I look up to my mom..
you may look up to your mom/dad
I dont go to church...so is it okay for the priest to molest then if I was looking at the priest? I just think no one should hurt/rape/etc...a person. The rank is so unimportant to me.
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Re: Spinoff to the orphanage
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Posted by PrincessP
This will probably be a heated debate because its so opinion-like. In my opinion we shouldnt declare punishment on a person based on their rank in society. Though if you really think about it, if someone has mental problems they will be declared insane at the scene of the crime. So I guess why not say these people are the ultimate "should know betters" and give them a fight. I dont know that I think anyone should be classified into a "different" category for what they have done. I think its important to realize a crime was commited and judge it to the best of our ability how far we should go. While my wheels continue to spin... I think a cop, priest etc,,,should be given the same amount of time as you or myself. Its not about who should know better then the next person. Obviously you have to have some type of mental instability to hurt or kill a child so why dont we call all killers, rapists, etc...mentally "insane" at the time. Then everyone can be let free.
I get that but they are people we trust and look up to.
But it could also send a message that their crimes are worse when all victims of a similar crime are going through the same thing.
Message edited 1/13/2006 11:50:24 AM.
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Re: Spinoff to the orphanage
Posted by shamrock12472
But why? Wouldn't you want that perpertator punished for what they did to the fullest extent? Just like that case in Brooklyn, those parents shouldn't be held any less responsible for what they did to that little girl because they aren't of a certain status or hold a certain position.
I agree. You don't need to be a priest or a cop to be someone a child trusts. What about a parent, a step-parent, or a friend's parent, or a relative, or a coach/teacher, or a bus driver or a babysitter. They may not have such respected jobs, as priests or cops, but they can still earn a child's trust and exploits that child's trust by abusing them. No matter who abuses a child, I think the punishment should be equal.
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Re: Spinoff to the orphanage
No matter who you are if you do something like that to a child you should be punished as hard as possible! People who commit crimes like that make me sick!
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Re: Spinoff to the orphanage
Posted by Shellyesq
Posted by shamrock12472
But why? Wouldn't you want that perpertator punished for what they did to the fullest extent? Just like that case in Brooklyn, those parents shouldn't be held any less responsible for what they did to that little girl because they aren't of a certain status or hold a certain position.
I agree. You don't need to be a priest or a cop to be someone a child trusts. What about a parent, a step-parent, or a friend's parent, or a relative, or a coach/teacher, or a bus driver or a babysitter. They may not have such respected jobs, as priests or cops, but they can still earn a child's trust and exploits that child's trust by abusing them. No matter who abuses a child, I think the punishment should be equal.
But then why do we bash celebrities for not being good role models
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Redhead
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Re: Spinoff to the orphanage
Posted by Shellyesq
Posted by shamrock12472
But why? Wouldn't you want that perpertator punished for what they did to the fullest extent? Just like that case in Brooklyn, those parents shouldn't be held any less responsible for what they did to that little girl because they aren't of a certain status or hold a certain position.
I agree. You don't need to be a priest or a cop to be someone a child trusts. What about a parent, a step-parent, or a friend's parent, or a relative, or a coach/teacher, or a bus driver or a babysitter. They may not have such respected jobs, as priests or cops, but they can still earn a child's trust and exploits that child's trust by abusing them. No matter who abuses a child, I think the punishment should be equal.
i think parents or relatives fall into that category as well to be honest.
I was not talking about people with just "repectable jobs per say.....
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Redhead
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Re: Spinoff to the orphanage
I think a nurse in a retirement home that kills a patient should be held more accountable for their death....
their whole employment and way of life is to CARE for others...and the abuse of that IMO should be worse.
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| Posted 1/13/06 11:55 AM |
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Re: Spinoff to the orphanage
Posted by Redhead
i think parents or relatives fall into that category as well to be honest.
I was not talking about people with just "repectable jobs per say.....
Then I'm sorry, I don't understand. who are you talking about?
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Re: Spinoff to the orphanage
Posted by unbelievable
But then why do we bash celebrities for not being good role models
Huh? What do celebrities have to do with this 
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Redhead
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Re: Spinoff to the orphanage
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Posted by Redhead
i think parents or relatives fall into that category as well to be honest.
I was not talking about people with just "repectable jobs per say.....
Then I'm sorry, I don't understand. who are you talking about?
People who are in some sort of authority....
Cops, Doctors, Priests, Parents
IMO if a parent or a priest or a cop was to molest a child....I would want a much more severe punishment than a sick stranger...
I feel that the people of the world that have or hold jobs that are designed to care for our well being should be held more responsible when they are negligent
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Re: Spinoff to the orphanage
Posted by Christine
But it could also send a message that their crimes are worse when all victims of a similar crime are going through the same thing.
That's a really good point, Christine! If I were a victim of a crime that a non-priest/cop/etc. committed and the person that did that to me were punished less harshly I would feel like my pain was somehow considered to be less important.
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Re: Spinoff to the orphanage
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i think parents or relatives fall into that category as well to be honest.
I was not talking about people with just "repectable jobs per say.....
Then I'm sorry, I don't understand. who are you talking about?
IMO if a parent or a priest or a cop was to molest a child....I would want a much more severe punishment than a sick stranger...
Are you sure about that? I know, if something happened to my child, sister, husband, mother, etc...I wouldn't care who did it but I would want them punished just as much as if it was someone in a position of power or trust.
Remember that man that went around hitting people with brinks in the city a few years ago? If he had done that to my sister, I would want him punished just as much as if he were a officer and not a homeless man.
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Re: Spinoff to the orphanage
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i think parents or relatives fall into that category as well to be honest.
I was not talking about people with just "repectable jobs per say.....
Then I'm sorry, I don't understand. who are you talking about?
IMO if a parent or a priest or a cop was to molest a child....I would want a much more severe punishment than a sick stranger...
Are you sure about that? I know, if something happened to my child, sister, husband, mother, etc...I wouldn't care who did it but I would want them punished just as much as if it was someone in a position of power or trust.
Remember that man that went around hitting people with brinks in the city a few years ago? If he had done that to my sister, I would want him punished just as much as if he were a officer and not a homeless man.
yes i am sure
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Re: Spinoff to the orphanage
Ohh... you are talking about someone who knows the child v. someone who doesn't.
I don't know... Theoretically, under the law, someone who is "sick" (i.e. criminally insane) would not go jail but to an asylum for the criminally insane.
I do agree, that the crime is certainly worse if its someone the child knows. However, as someone about to be a parent, if anyone touched my kid, stranger or not, I would want them to pay the maximum penalty under the law.
So I guess my answer is that if they are going to extend the current minimum sentence for people who know the child I am all for it. But I wouldn't want to reduce the minimum sentence for someone who didn't know the child. Just make it even worse for those who do know the child (which frankly is the vast majority of the cases).
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I still don't care what position the person holds in regard to the victim. I would want the same punishment for a crack addict that robbed my house as I would if that same person was a police officer.
The one place were I think that a punishment should be greater is where a fireman performs arson so he gets to respond to the fire. In that case, he or she is putting lives at danger not just destroying property.
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