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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
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Were people dropping dead left and right before Obamacare from not having health insurance????
I don't get why you cant either get health insurance through your job or get it the way you get home/auto/life insurance.
Pay a company an annual fee, get health insurance.
Simple and easy...
What is so hard about that???
Why should people like my husband who risks his life every day going to work pay for other people to have health insurance??? Take care of yourself and stop looking for help from everyone!
This is a really sad way to think. I assume your husband is NYPD or FDNY and gets wonderful family benefits for an extremely low cost (if any).
But what if he worked his ass off as an accountant, and had to pay a ton OOP for family health insurance?? Does that make his family matter less?? Sometimes the "annual fee" is astronomical and unaffordable for people that work very hard to take care of their families.
Is that true, MrsDiamondgrlie??
As a teacher who, like you, enjoys excellent employer-based health benefits that are financed on the backs of taxpayers who, yes, were dying unnecessarily before the ACA (look at the projections for deaths resulting directly from its repeal) I can't help but see an irony and arrogance in this post. You ought to consider yourself lucky that you find yourself in this situation.
My husband works his tail off as a self-employed medical technician. He has health insurance only because he's married to me and taxpayers are kind enough to pay for our benefits. Those same taxpayers deserve access to health benefits themselves.
I think a little gratitude, compassion, and humble pie are in order in your household.
Very well said.
Yes, I read her response last night and couldn't think of what i wanted to say, but this was perfect.
I too worked my ass off. Have a masters degree, and I wouldn't have health care if I wasn't married. I actually didn't have health care from 23-30. Thankfully I was healthy.
Regardless on what your thoughts are about obama care. Everyone should be worried about getting rid of the pre existing conditions clause, lifetime limit (bc no matter how blessed you are with the perfect job you are NOT immune to horrible diseases that cost a lot to treat) and keeping dependents on until 26. And if none of that still bothers you, I'm sure there are plenty of people we all know and love that it will significantly impact.
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
I'm not in the medical field, no clue how billing works.
However, I do know for a fact that if my DH comes across a homeless person in his line of work and they need a hospital, they go to the hospital and receive care.
Are the doctors billing homeless people??? If they are, are they expecting to get paid???
I love how people think I'm insensitive because I believe in taking care of your own before others. No one knows my mom was a waitress with no benefits. Or my dad who had to work 3 extra jobs as a landscaper on top of his regular job so me and my sister and mom could move to "nicer" LI from a crappy Queens neighborhood.
Just assume... that's what the majority loves to do. Play the blame game, pass along the responsibility to someone else. I don't know all the answers, I'm not important enough to have to figure it all out but I know that my DH has a thankless job, is hated and rioted against and HE has to pay for those same people's health care??? But we are lucky, my life is great. I have food and a home. I'm not in a bubble. I planned out how to provide for my family and so did he. We never expect to put our hands out to anyone.
As far as taxpayers paying for his benefits, it's a pretty fair trade off considering the risk and what he has to do every day.
And for the person suggesting a slice of humble pie... you know what you can do with my slice. That was a nasty comment to make to someone you don't know.
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
Personally I feel that the whole problem with healthcare in our country is that the health insurance industry is a for profit industry. If health insurance companies were not for profit we wouldn't have a ton of the problems that we have. The health insurance industry is so corrupt it's unbelievable. I don't know what the solution is and I know that we have some of the best healthcare options in the world, but healthcare and health insurance are two very separate topics. Something has to change. Everyone citizen should have access to top quality healthcare. It should be a right, not a privilege in this country. This is probably one of the only topics that I am really far left on when I am typically more right leaning.
I do have faith that the republicans will repeal and replace simultaneously so I don't think that people should be in full on panic mode. But really until you eliminate the profit driven insurance companies I don't think much will change.
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
Posted by lululu
Personally I feel that the whole problem with healthcare in our country is that the health insurance industry is a for profit industry. If health insurance companies were not for profit we wouldn't have a ton of the problems that we have. The health insurance industry is so corrupt it's unbelievable. I don't know what the solution is and I know that we have some of the best healthcare options in the world, but healthcare and health insurance are two very separate topics. Something has to change. Everyone citizen should have access to top quality healthcare. It should be a right, not a privilege in this country. This is probably one of the only topics that I am really far left on when I am typically more right leaning.
I do have faith that the republicans will repeal and replace simultaneously so I don't think that people should be in full on panic mode. But really until you eliminate the profit driven insurance companies I don't think much will change.
Also, relying on employer to provide health insurance is flawed as well. My employer has not increased their contribution to health insurance in 15 years. Thus, while they do provide health insurance, they have passed along all those increases to the employee. For some, their health insurance eats up more than 50% of their take home pay and my employer doesn't care at all because it allows those partners to purchase 2nd and 3rd homes.
ETA: Rumor had it that my firm researched dropping insurance altogether and provide a small stipend that could be used towards the exchanges. Thankfully, that didn't happen because they would have been fined but you see their mindset.
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
Posted by MrsDiamondgrlie
As far as taxpayers paying for his benefits, it's a pretty fair trade off considering the risk and what he has to do every day.
And for the person suggesting a slice of humble pie... you know what you can do with my slice. That was a nasty comment to make to someone you don't know.
Is your husband working for free? Is he not receiving a wage for the work he does? A wage that he can then use to go out and purchase health insurance for his family? So you think your husband and your family is ENTITLED to the health benefits he is receiving at taxpayer expense because of the work he does? I doubt you will see how flawed your thinking is.
I don't need to know your backstory to recognize your post as being arrogant, selfish, and heartless. And as one of the taxpayers who is providing your husband with salary and benefits, you're welcome! I'm HAPPY to pay my share to be able to provide that to your family, and to bookworm's family because I think he deserves it, and she deserves it, and all those serving our community deserve it. I think everyone deserves medical care, it should be a basic right! Right up there with clean water and an education. I don't think others should go without proper healthcare, knowing that millions have been uninsured in this country is not, in my mind, what will make America great again.
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
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Posted by MrsDiamondgrlie
As far as taxpayers paying for his benefits, it's a pretty fair trade off considering the risk and what he has to do every day.
And for the person suggesting a slice of humble pie... you know what you can do with my slice. That was a nasty comment to make to someone you don't know.
Is your husband working for free? Is he not receiving a wage for the work he does? A wage that he can then use to go out and purchase health insurance for his family? So you think your husband and your family is ENTITLED to the health benefits he is receiving at taxpayer expense because of the work he does? I doubt you will see how flawed your thinking is.
I don't need to know your backstory to recognize your post as being arrogant, selfish, and heartless. And as one of the taxpayers who is providing your husband with salary and benefits, you're welcome! I'm HAPPY to pay my share to be able to provide that to your family, and to bookworm's family because I think he deserves it, and she deserves it, and all those serving our community deserve it. I think everyone deserves medical care, it should be a basic right! Right up there with clean water and an education. I don't think others should go without proper healthcare, knowing that millions have been uninsured in this country is not, in my mind, what will make America great again.
Of course he isn't working for free. If his job didn't provide health care we would use his salary to pay for it not expect others to hand it over to us from their hard earned money. We would do without 2 cars for example.
You don't want to hear my back story because it will conflict with your argument.
I'm not wasting anymore time debating this. Now I see why people told me not to bother posting on LIF if I'm not a liberal or liberal minded.
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
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Posted by MrsDiamondgrlie
As far as taxpayers paying for his benefits, it's a pretty fair trade off considering the risk and what he has to do every day.
And for the person suggesting a slice of humble pie... you know what you can do with my slice. That was a nasty comment to make to someone you don't know.
Is your husband working for free? Is he not receiving a wage for the work he does? A wage that he can then use to go out and purchase health insurance for his family? So you think your husband and your family is ENTITLED to the health benefits he is receiving at taxpayer expense because of the work he does? I doubt you will see how flawed your thinking is.
I don't need to know your backstory to recognize your post as being arrogant, selfish, and heartless. And as one of the taxpayers who is providing your husband with salary and benefits, you're welcome! I'm HAPPY to pay my share to be able to provide that to your family, and to bookworm's family because I think he deserves it, and she deserves it, and all those serving our community deserve it. I think everyone deserves medical care, it should be a basic right! Right up there with clean water and an education. I don't think others should go without proper healthcare, knowing that millions have been uninsured in this country is not, in my mind, what will make America great again.
I agree with the fact that healthcare should be a right for all citizens, however, I hate the "we pay your salary and you should thank us for it" mentality. Civil servants are hired to perform a job and they are offered a compensation package for performing that job. Part of their compensation comes in the form of healthcare. If you were to cut benefits you would have to increase pay. And people aren't "lucky" to get these benefits. They work very hard for them and it has little to do with luck.
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
Posted by lululu
Personally I feel that the whole problem with healthcare in our country is that the health insurance industry is a for profit industry. If health insurance companies were not for profit we wouldn't have a ton of the problems that we have. The health insurance industry is so corrupt it's unbelievable. I don't know what the solution is and I know that we have some of the best healthcare options in the world, but healthcare and health insurance are two very separate topics. Something has to change. Everyone citizen should have access to top quality healthcare. It should be a right, not a privilege in this country. This is probably one of the only topics that I am really far left on when I am typically more right leaning.
I do have faith that the republicans will repeal and replace simultaneously so I don't think that people should be in full on panic mode. But really until you eliminate the profit driven insurance companies I don't think much will change.
I don't usually agree with your posts, but I agree with you here. Health insurance and healthcare is for-profit in this country. Do people really think repealing the ACA will make their rates go back? ACA is flawed, of course, but mostly because of greedy health insurance companies who responded with increasing their rates. They aren't likely to reverse it where money and greed is involved. If Trump really cares about America his goal would be to tackle the healthcare industry not ACA, overhaul it, mandate pre-existing conditions law, bringing down rates across the board and making healthcare affordable for ALL. Is anyone confident he wants to do that? He hasn't even provided us with a CLEAR plan of action, so how can we be confident? Are there Trump supporters who believe that healthcare is a luxury and not a right?
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
Posted by lululu
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Posted by MrsDiamondgrlie
As far as taxpayers paying for his benefits, it's a pretty fair trade off considering the risk and what he has to do every day.
And for the person suggesting a slice of humble pie... you know what you can do with my slice. That was a nasty comment to make to someone you don't know.
Is your husband working for free? Is he not receiving a wage for the work he does? A wage that he can then use to go out and purchase health insurance for his family? So you think your husband and your family is ENTITLED to the health benefits he is receiving at taxpayer expense because of the work he does? I doubt you will see how flawed your thinking is.
I don't need to know your backstory to recognize your post as being arrogant, selfish, and heartless. And as one of the taxpayers who is providing your husband with salary and benefits, you're welcome! I'm HAPPY to pay my share to be able to provide that to your family, and to bookworm's family because I think he deserves it, and she deserves it, and all those serving our community deserve it. I think everyone deserves medical care, it should be a basic right! Right up there with clean water and an education. I don't think others should go without proper healthcare, knowing that millions have been uninsured in this country is not, in my mind, what will make America great again.
I agree with the fact that healthcare should be a right for all citizens, however, I hate the "we pay your salary and you should thank us for it" mentality. Civil servants are hired to perform a job and they are offered a compensation package for performing that job. Part of their compensation comes in the form of healthcare. If you were to cut benefits you would have to increase pay. And people aren't "lucky" to get these benefits. They work very hard for them and it has little to do with luck.
If you read my post you would see that I wrote that her DH deserves his benefits package, just like bookworm does, but my response is that she feels ENTITLED to it, but other people should figure it out on their own, screw them, why should she have to pay for anyone through her taxes? Like it's a black and white issue.
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
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Posted by MrsDiamondgrlie
As far as taxpayers paying for his benefits, it's a pretty fair trade off considering the risk and what he has to do every day.
And for the person suggesting a slice of humble pie... you know what you can do with my slice. That was a nasty comment to make to someone you don't know.
Is your husband working for free? Is he not receiving a wage for the work he does? A wage that he can then use to go out and purchase health insurance for his family? So you think your husband and your family is ENTITLED to the health benefits he is receiving at taxpayer expense because of the work he does? I doubt you will see how flawed your thinking is.
I don't need to know your backstory to recognize your post as being arrogant, selfish, and heartless. And as one of the taxpayers who is providing your husband with salary and benefits, you're welcome! I'm HAPPY to pay my share to be able to provide that to your family, and to bookworm's family because I think he deserves it, and she deserves it, and all those serving our community deserve it. I think everyone deserves medical care, it should be a basic right! Right up there with clean water and an education. I don't think others should go without proper healthcare, knowing that millions have been uninsured in this country is not, in my mind, what will make America great again.
Of course he isn't working for free. If his job didn't provide health care we would use his salary to pay for it not expect others to hand it over to us from their hard earned money. We would do without 2 cars for example.
You don't want to hear my back story because it will conflict with your argument.
I'm not wasting anymore time debating this. Now I see why people told me not to bother posting on LIF if I'm not a liberal or liberal minded.
But his health benefits ARE provided to him through his job so it's a moot point. And I don't need to know your backstory, not because it conflicts, but because it's IRRELEVANT. Your statement was selfish and you need to own that. You don't get to play the "but I grew up less fortunate" card and think that it makes your statement any less selfish. Do you think healthcare is not a basic right?
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
My biggest issue with the ACA has been not allowing me to keep the plan I had before it came about.
In order to have health insurance , we HAD to choose from the ACA plans. There was no longer an option to just get personal health insurance through our business on our own. AND it cost us more For lesser coverage. The best plan I could find was more money and I had to find all new drs. I went thru 4 primary drs in 2 years and then just went to urgent care all the time.
Hoping that when they do repeal and replace, they do as they said, keeping pre existing conditions and kids stay on to 26. i would like to see a plan where there's Medicaid for ultra poor, something similar to these ACA plans for those who make too much for Medicaid and then the option to get your own Insurance after that. It fits for everyone. I'm not saying I didn't pay a ton of $$ before ACA , for us, we paid MORE for a lesser insurance and personally, my health sufffered for it.
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
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Posted by MrsDiamondgrlie
As far as taxpayers paying for his benefits, it's a pretty fair trade off considering the risk and what he has to do every day.
And for the person suggesting a slice of humble pie... you know what you can do with my slice. That was a nasty comment to make to someone you don't know.
Is your husband working for free? Is he not receiving a wage for the work he does? A wage that he can then use to go out and purchase health insurance for his family? So you think your husband and your family is ENTITLED to the health benefits he is receiving at taxpayer expense because of the work he does? I doubt you will see how flawed your thinking is.
I don't need to know your backstory to recognize your post as being arrogant, selfish, and heartless. And as one of the taxpayers who is providing your husband with salary and benefits, you're welcome! I'm HAPPY to pay my share to be able to provide that to your family, and to bookworm's family because I think he deserves it, and she deserves it, and all those serving our community deserve it. I think everyone deserves medical care, it should be a basic right! Right up there with clean water and an education. I don't think others should go without proper healthcare, knowing that millions have been uninsured in this country is not, in my mind, what will make America great again.
I agree with the fact that healthcare should be a right for all citizens, however, I hate the "we pay your salary and you should thank us for it" mentality. Civil servants are hired to perform a job and they are offered a compensation package for performing that job. Part of their compensation comes in the form of healthcare. If you were to cut benefits you would have to increase pay. And people aren't "lucky" to get these benefits. They work very hard for them and it has little to do with luck.
If you read my post you would see that I wrote that her DH deserves his benefits package, just like bookworm does, but my response is that she feels ENTITLED to it, but other people should figure it out on their own, screw them, why should she have to pay for anyone through her taxes? Like it's a black and white issue.
She is entitled to it as part of his compensation package. I know that people will take jobs that pay more but don't offer benefits because they can benefits from a spouse. In the current system healthcare is part of compensation. If you cut that benefit you have to pay people more so they are still compensated fairly. And when her husband took that job he was figuring it out. He was taking a job knowing that benefits were included. If you take a job knowing benefits are not included you have to figure out where you are going to get benefits and how you are going to pay for them. You have a lot of animosity for her but her post very consistent with the way a lot of people feel. In the current system, everyone needs to take responsibility for figuring out how to get benefits.
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
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Posted by MrsDiamondgrlie
As far as taxpayers paying for his benefits, it's a pretty fair trade off considering the risk and what he has to do every day.
And for the person suggesting a slice of humble pie... you know what you can do with my slice. That was a nasty comment to make to someone you don't know.
Is your husband working for free? Is he not receiving a wage for the work he does? A wage that he can then use to go out and purchase health insurance for his family? So you think your husband and your family is ENTITLED to the health benefits he is receiving at taxpayer expense because of the work he does? I doubt you will see how flawed your thinking is.
I don't need to know your backstory to recognize your post as being arrogant, selfish, and heartless. And as one of the taxpayers who is providing your husband with salary and benefits, you're welcome! I'm HAPPY to pay my share to be able to provide that to your family, and to bookworm's family because I think he deserves it, and she deserves it, and all those serving our community deserve it. I think everyone deserves medical care, it should be a basic right! Right up there with clean water and an education. I don't think others should go without proper healthcare, knowing that millions have been uninsured in this country is not, in my mind, what will make America great again.
I agree with the fact that healthcare should be a right for all citizens, however, I hate the "we pay your salary and you should thank us for it" mentality. Civil servants are hired to perform a job and they are offered a compensation package for performing that job. Part of their compensation comes in the form of healthcare. If you were to cut benefits you would have to increase pay. And people aren't "lucky" to get these benefits. They work very hard for them and it has little to do with luck.
If you read my post you would see that I wrote that her DH deserves his benefits package, just like bookworm does, but my response is that she feels ENTITLED to it, but other people should figure it out on their own, screw them, why should she have to pay for anyone through her taxes? Like it's a black and white issue.
She is entitled to it as part of his compensation package. I know that people will take jobs that pay more but don't offer benefits because they can benefits from a spouse. In the current system healthcare is part of compensation. If you cut that benefit you have to pay people more so they are still compensated fairly. And when her husband took that job he was figuring it out. He was taking a job knowing that benefits were included. If you take a job knowing benefits are not included you have to figure out where you are going to get benefits and how you are going to pay for them. You have a lot of animosity for her but her post very consistent with the way a lot of people feel. In the current system, everyone needs to take responsibility for figuring out how to get benefits.
I don't have animosity towards her, I don't even know her. Her post was disgusting any way you try to spin it. Her central point may have echoed that of Trump supporters, but her wording was arrogant and heartless. Also, her post made it clear she doesn't even know how healthcare works. She thinks it's like home or auto insurance.
Removing ACA, where does that leave people that make min. wage and receive no health benefits through their employer, can't afford private insurance and don't qualify for medicaid? Are they not "entitled" to receive care because they don't have it "figured out"?
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
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Posted by MrsDiamondgrlie
Were people dropping dead left and right before Obamacare from not having health insurance????
I don't get why you cant either get health insurance through your job or get it the way you get home/auto/life insurance.
Pay a company an annual fee, get health insurance.
Simple and easy...
What is so hard about that???
Why should people like my husband who risks his life every day going to work pay for other people to have health insurance??? Take care of yourself and stop looking for help from everyone!
This statement shows what little understanding you have of the ACA/Obamacare and the state of Healthcare in this country.
Agree.
How disgusting.
My father has a preexisting condition and has for years and he could not get covered. He received quotes for 3x his monthly salary because of it. ACA saved his life and provided an affordable solution for him. Without it he would die. His medications alone can run around $2k per month without insurance.
But I guess according to your logic if my dad can't afford it, he should accept his lot in life and die.
ETA: I would appreciate a direct response from MrsDiamondGirlie but something tells me I may not get that. I would like you to tell me to my "face" what my father should do and how I should feel about that given your opinion. Let me see what you really feel.
My 16 month old is about to be diagnosed with cerebral palsy. That is a pre-existing condition FOR LIFE. It is also one that, prior to the ACA, was on the list of precluded conditions for many insurance companies. She is 16 months old! She has already racked up nearly 100k in medical bills AT 16 MONTHS OLD!!!!!
When her brain injury occurred, I had to stop working to care for her and so she can have multiple therapies a week. Luckily my husband had decent insurance through work. Except his position was outsourced in October and he was out of work until this past week. THANK GOD for the ACA because we were able to get no cost insurance from the exchange because WE HAD NO INCOME. She has medications, 5 different therapies, and is often sick and is at the doctor often. Not to mention the specialists and procedures. We need insurance. SHE NEEDS INSURANCE. And those f*cking asshole republicans don't care about anyone but themselves, and it's evident you're exactly like them in your precious little bubble. I wish I could post pictures from my phone so you can look at my daughter and then try to tell me you agree with what those asshats in congress are doing.
I'm so sick of you people not giving 2 shits about anyone but yourselves. You are what is wrong with this country and humanity and why we have that orange petulant child as PEOTUS. Thank you for ruining this country. GFY.
http://www.lifamilies.com/chat/topic-please-hug-your-babies-final-update-872050-1.html
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by mrsrainbow
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by MrsDiamondgrlie
Were people dropping dead left and right before Obamacare from not having health insurance????
I don't get why you cant either get health insurance through your job or get it the way you get home/auto/life insurance.
Pay a company an annual fee, get health insurance.
Simple and easy...
What is so hard about that???
Why should people like my husband who risks his life every day going to work pay for other people to have health insurance??? Take care of yourself and stop looking for help from everyone!
This statement shows what little understanding you have of the ACA/Obamacare and the state of Healthcare in this country.
Agree.
How disgusting.
My father has a preexisting condition and has for years and he could not get covered. He received quotes for 3x his monthly salary because of it. ACA saved his life and provided an affordable solution for him. Without it he would die. His medications alone can run around $2k per month without insurance.
But I guess according to your logic if my dad can't afford it, he should accept his lot in life and die.
ETA: I would appreciate a direct response from MrsDiamondGirlie but something tells me I may not get that. I would like you to tell me to my "face" what my father should do and how I should feel about that given your opinion. Let me see what you really feel.
My 16 month old is about to be diagnosed with cerebral palsy. That is a pre-existing condition FOR LIFE. It is also one that, prior to the ACA, was on the list of precluded conditions for many insurance companies. She is 16 months old! She has already racked up nearly 100k in medical bills AT 16 MONTHS OLD!!!!!
When her brain injury occurred, I had to stop working to care for her and so she can have multiple therapies a week. Luckily my husband had decent insurance through work. Except his position was outsourced in October and he was out of work until this past week. THANK GOD for the ACA because we were able to get no cost insurance from the exchange because WE HAD NO INCOME. She has medications, 5 different therapies, and is often sick and is at the doctor often. Not to mention the specialists and procedures. We need insurance. SHE NEEDS INSURANCE. And those f*cking asshole republicans don't care about anyone but themselves, and it's evident you're exactly like them in your precious little bubble. I wish I could post pictures from my phone so you can look at my daughter and then try to tell me you agree with what those asshats in congress are doing.
I'm so sick of you people not giving 2 shits about anyone but yourselves. You are what is wrong with this country and humanity and why we have that orange petulant child as PEOTUS. Thank you for ruining this country. GFY.
http://www.lifamilies.com/chat/topic-please-hug-your-babies-final-update-872050-1.html
 ElizaRags I have followed your story and I am so sorry for your family's pain and the suffering you have all endured. i just want to say that your post is 100% spot on. when we don't give a sh*t about anyone other than ourselves, when we can't have empathy and compassion for our fellow man and when we see people who have special needs as "others", we will never truly be human.
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ElizaRags35
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
Posted by whoababy11
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by mrsrainbow
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by MrsDiamondgrlie
Were people dropping dead left and right before Obamacare from not having health insurance????
I don't get why you cant either get health insurance through your job or get it the way you get home/auto/life insurance.
Pay a company an annual fee, get health insurance.
Simple and easy...
What is so hard about that???
Why should people like my husband who risks his life every day going to work pay for other people to have health insurance??? Take care of yourself and stop looking for help from everyone!
This statement shows what little understanding you have of the ACA/Obamacare and the state of Healthcare in this country.
Agree.
How disgusting.
My father has a preexisting condition and has for years and he could not get covered. He received quotes for 3x his monthly salary because of it. ACA saved his life and provided an affordable solution for him. Without it he would die. His medications alone can run around $2k per month without insurance.
But I guess according to your logic if my dad can't afford it, he should accept his lot in life and die.
ETA: I would appreciate a direct response from MrsDiamondGirlie but something tells me I may not get that. I would like you to tell me to my "face" what my father should do and how I should feel about that given your opinion. Let me see what you really feel.
My 16 month old is about to be diagnosed with cerebral palsy. That is a pre-existing condition FOR LIFE. It is also one that, prior to the ACA, was on the list of precluded conditions for many insurance companies. She is 16 months old! She has already racked up nearly 100k in medical bills AT 16 MONTHS OLD!!!!!
When her brain injury occurred, I had to stop working to care for her and so she can have multiple therapies a week. Luckily my husband had decent insurance through work. Except his position was outsourced in October and he was out of work until this past week. THANK GOD for the ACA because we were able to get no cost insurance from the exchange because WE HAD NO INCOME. She has medications, 5 different therapies, and is often sick and is at the doctor often. Not to mention the specialists and procedures. We need insurance. SHE NEEDS INSURANCE. And those f*cking asshole republicans don't care about anyone but themselves, and it's evident you're exactly like them in your precious little bubble. I wish I could post pictures from my phone so you can look at my daughter and then try to tell me you agree with what those asshats in congress are doing.
I'm so sick of you people not giving 2 shits about anyone but yourselves. You are what is wrong with this country and humanity and why we have that orange petulant child as PEOTUS. Thank you for ruining this country. GFY.
http://www.lifamilies.com/chat/topic-please-hug-your-babies-final-update-872050-1.html
ElizaRags I have followed your story and I am so sorry for your family's pain and the suffering you have all endured. i just want to say that your post is 100% spot on. when we don't give a sh*t about anyone other than ourselves, when we can't have empathy and compassion for our fellow man and when we see people who have special needs as "others", we will never truly be human.
Thank you. I'm sick and tired and I'm not going to hold back anymore. And for the record, my feelings on healthcare and the ACA have not changed. Even when we were a healthy family of 2, then 3, then 4, I've always felt that healthcare should be a right and not a privilege. I always have and always believe we should look out and be supportive of our fellow man. I'm proud that this has been a value instilled in me by my parents, specifically my father who, even though is in a higher tax bracket and has been hit with higher taxes, always said that he was ok with it because it meant that those less fortunate can thrive.
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
Posted by MrsDiamondgrlie
Posted by MC09
Posted by MrsDiamondgrlie
As far as taxpayers paying for his benefits, it's a pretty fair trade off considering the risk and what he has to do every day.
And for the person suggesting a slice of humble pie... you know what you can do with my slice. That was a nasty comment to make to someone you don't know.
Is your husband working for free? Is he not receiving a wage for the work he does? A wage that he can then use to go out and purchase health insurance for his family? So you think your husband and your family is ENTITLED to the health benefits he is receiving at taxpayer expense because of the work he does? I doubt you will see how flawed your thinking is.
I don't need to know your backstory to recognize your post as being arrogant, selfish, and heartless. And as one of the taxpayers who is providing your husband with salary and benefits, you're welcome! I'm HAPPY to pay my share to be able to provide that to your family, and to bookworm's family because I think he deserves it, and she deserves it, and all those serving our community deserve it. I think everyone deserves medical care, it should be a basic right! Right up there with clean water and an education. I don't think others should go without proper healthcare, knowing that millions have been uninsured in this country is not, in my mind, what will make America great again.
Of course he isn't working for free. If his job didn't provide health care we would use his salary to pay for it not expect others to hand it over to us from their hard earned money. We would do without 2 cars for example.
You don't want to hear my back story because it will conflict with your argument.
I'm not wasting anymore time debating this. Now I see why people told me not to bother posting on LIF if I'm not a liberal or liberal minded.
Your background in no way conflicts with the argument against your extremely callous post. No one is arguing that your husband and your family don't deserve those benefits or that he doesn't work for them.
The argument is that the people paying for those benefits also deserve to be able to get medicine and go to the doctor when they are sick. You act like you're in a better position because you are so much more hard-working and responsible when it is merely because you're fortunate, right profession at the right time.
And, incidentally, before the ACA the gov't provided subsidies to hospitals to cover the expense of treating uninsured patients who show up in the ER like the homeless person you used as a casual example. There is not talk of reinstating those subsidies as part of this repeal, so this stands to actually throw the entire provider system into financial jeopardy, which impacts the quality of care we all receive.
But, hey, maybe you need to be personally touched by the consequences to feel an iota of compassion. I won't soon forget watching a friend grieve the loss of her brother, who went into a diabetic coma and died because he could not afford insulin and blood testing supplies. He was working 50 hours a week in construction because that was the job he could get to support himself at the time, and there were no health benefits. People like to think of the beneficiaries of this program as loafers and freeloaders, but the folks who make too much to qualify for medicaid and too little to afford healthcare are working people not so different from you and your family.
Maybe this makes me a "libtard" or "snowflake" but I think part of being a humane and principled person involves banding together as a civil society and not so easily dismissing the death and suffering of strangers that, apparently, are not your problem. I literally wept when those officers were gunned down in cold blood in Dallas because I respect human life, and I weep for the consequences of this repeal for the same reason.
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whoababy11
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
Posted by bookworm
Posted by MrsDiamondgrlie
Posted by MC09
Posted by MrsDiamondgrlie
As far as taxpayers paying for his benefits, it's a pretty fair trade off considering the risk and what he has to do every day.
And for the person suggesting a slice of humble pie... you know what you can do with my slice. That was a nasty comment to make to someone you don't know.
Is your husband working for free? Is he not receiving a wage for the work he does? A wage that he can then use to go out and purchase health insurance for his family? So you think your husband and your family is ENTITLED to the health benefits he is receiving at taxpayer expense because of the work he does? I doubt you will see how flawed your thinking is.
I don't need to know your backstory to recognize your post as being arrogant, selfish, and heartless. And as one of the taxpayers who is providing your husband with salary and benefits, you're welcome! I'm HAPPY to pay my share to be able to provide that to your family, and to bookworm's family because I think he deserves it, and she deserves it, and all those serving our community deserve it. I think everyone deserves medical care, it should be a basic right! Right up there with clean water and an education. I don't think others should go without proper healthcare, knowing that millions have been uninsured in this country is not, in my mind, what will make America great again.
Of course he isn't working for free. If his job didn't provide health care we would use his salary to pay for it not expect others to hand it over to us from their hard earned money. We would do without 2 cars for example.
You don't want to hear my back story because it will conflict with your argument.
I'm not wasting anymore time debating this. Now I see why people told me not to bother posting on LIF if I'm not a liberal or liberal minded.
Your background in no way conflicts with the argument against your extremely callous post. No one is arguing that your husband and your family don't deserve those benefits or that he doesn't work for them.
The argument is that the people paying for those benefits also deserve to be able to get medicine and go to the doctor when they are sick. You act like you're in a better position because you are so much more hard-working and responsible when it is merely because you're fortunate, right profession at the right time.
And, incidentally, before the ACA the gov't provided subsidies to hospitals to cover the expense of treating uninsured patients who show up in the ER like the homeless person you used as a casual example. There is not talk of reinstating those subsidies as part of this repeal, so this stands to actually throw the entire provider system into financial jeopardy, which impacts the quality of care we all receive.
But, hey, maybe you need to be personally touched by the consequences to feel an iota of compassion. I won't soon forget watching a friend grieve the loss of her brother, who went into a diabetic coma and died because he could not afford insulin and blood testing supplies. He was working 50 hours a week in construction because that was the job he could get to support himself at the time, and there were no health benefits. People like to think of the beneficiaries of this program as loafers and freeloaders, but the folks who make too much to qualify for medicaid and too little to afford healthcare are working people not so different from you and your family.
Maybe this makes me a "libtard" or "snowflake" but I think part of being a humane and principled person involves banding together as a civil society and not so easily dismissing the death and suffering of strangers that, apparently, are not your problem. I literally wept when those officers were gunned down in cold blood in Dallas because I respect human life, and I weep for the consequences of this repeal for the same reason.
Sometimes I am in awe of the people on here and the beautlful way they express themselves. Bravo to you and to all who try to have compassion and empathy for their fellow man. What always gets me is how so many people think they "made their own way in life" and "picked themselves up by their bootstraps" , never once considering their privilege. Whether that privilege be their family they were born into, the place, the time, their skin color, educational opportunities or so many other possibilities. So many of us have had help along the way, and luck, that some people just haven't had. Try to be decent and grateful and remember the saying "there but for the grace of god go I."
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
Posted by MrsDiamondgrlie
However, I do know for a fact that if my DH comes across a homeless person in his line of work and they need a hospital, they go to the hospital and receive care.
Are the doctors billing homeless people??? If they are, are they expecting to get paid???
That has always been the case. If a person requires any sort of medical care and they show up in an ER they have to treated to at least be stable before they can be moved on, whether they have insurance or not or whether or not the insurance a person has participates with that hospital. Same for a woman in labor. Always. Nothing to do with ACA.
ETA: Since you claim ignorance on billing, we ALL pay for this type of care. Either through taxes or increased premiums on insurance to cover these anticipated costs.
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
Posted by MrsDiamondgrlie
I'm not in the medical field, no clue how billing works.
However, I do know for a fact that if my DH comes across a homeless person in his line of work and they need a hospital, they go to the hospital and receive care.
Are the doctors billing homeless people??? If they are, are they expecting to get paid???
I love how people think I'm insensitive because I believe in taking care of your own before others. No one knows my mom was a waitress with no benefits. Or my dad who had to work 3 extra jobs as a landscaper on top of his regular job so me and my sister and mom could move to "nicer" LI from a crappy Queens neighborhood.
Just assume... that's what the majority loves to do. Play the blame game, pass along the responsibility to someone else. I don't know all the answers, I'm not important enough to have to figure it all out but I know that my DH has a thankless job, is hated and rioted against and HE has to pay for those same people's health care??? But we are lucky, my life is great. I have food and a home. I'm not in a bubble. I planned out how to provide for my family and so did he. We never expect to put our hands out to anyone.
As far as taxpayers paying for his benefits, it's a pretty fair trade off considering the risk and what he has to do every day.
And for the person suggesting a slice of humble pie... you know what you can do with my slice. That was a nasty comment to make to someone you don't know.
Yes, you may never EXPECT to need help. But sometimes shit happens way beyond our control.
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MC09
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
Posted by bookworm
Posted by MrsDiamondgrlie
Posted by MC09
Posted by MrsDiamondgrlie
As far as taxpayers paying for his benefits, it's a pretty fair trade off considering the risk and what he has to do every day.
And for the person suggesting a slice of humble pie... you know what you can do with my slice. That was a nasty comment to make to someone you don't know.
Is your husband working for free? Is he not receiving a wage for the work he does? A wage that he can then use to go out and purchase health insurance for his family? So you think your husband and your family is ENTITLED to the health benefits he is receiving at taxpayer expense because of the work he does? I doubt you will see how flawed your thinking is.
I don't need to know your backstory to recognize your post as being arrogant, selfish, and heartless. And as one of the taxpayers who is providing your husband with salary and benefits, you're welcome! I'm HAPPY to pay my share to be able to provide that to your family, and to bookworm's family because I think he deserves it, and she deserves it, and all those serving our community deserve it. I think everyone deserves medical care, it should be a basic right! Right up there with clean water and an education. I don't think others should go without proper healthcare, knowing that millions have been uninsured in this country is not, in my mind, what will make America great again.
Of course he isn't working for free. If his job didn't provide health care we would use his salary to pay for it not expect others to hand it over to us from their hard earned money. We would do without 2 cars for example.
You don't want to hear my back story because it will conflict with your argument.
I'm not wasting anymore time debating this. Now I see why people told me not to bother posting on LIF if I'm not a liberal or liberal minded.
Your background in no way conflicts with the argument against your extremely callous post. No one is arguing that your husband and your family don't deserve those benefits or that he doesn't work for them.
The argument is that the people paying for those benefits also deserve to be able to get medicine and go to the doctor when they are sick. You act like you're in a better position because you are so much more hard-working and responsible when it is merely because you're fortunate, right profession at the right time.
And, incidentally, before the ACA the gov't provided subsidies to hospitals to cover the expense of treating uninsured patients who show up in the ER like the homeless person you used as a casual example. There is not talk of reinstating those subsidies as part of this repeal, so this stands to actually throw the entire provider system into financial jeopardy, which impacts the quality of care we all receive.
But, hey, maybe you need to be personally touched by the consequences to feel an iota of compassion. I won't soon forget watching a friend grieve the loss of her brother, who went into a diabetic coma and died because he could not afford insulin and blood testing supplies. He was working 50 hours a week in construction because that was the job he could get to support himself at the time, and there were no health benefits. People like to think of the beneficiaries of this program as loafers and freeloaders, but the folks who make too much to qualify for medicaid and too little to afford healthcare are working people not so different from you and your family.
Maybe this makes me a "libtard" or "snowflake" but I think part of being a humane and principled person involves banding together as a civil society and not so easily dismissing the death and suffering of strangers that, apparently, are not your problem. I literally wept when those officers were gunned down in cold blood in Dallas because I respect human life, and I weep for the consequences of this repeal for the same reason.
Thank you for eloquently stating what I am unable to express and I'm so sorry to hear about your friend's brother. There are too many stories like this. It's a travesty. Is THIS what will make America great again? There seems to be this underlying tone among many Trump supporters, a disdain for those that are less fortunate, those that are underprivileged, those that are poor, or the working poor who work 40+ hours a week and still considered poor, immigrants, non-English speakers, those who are not fortunate enough or priveledged enough to receive healthcare.
Please, remind us all again how you are the party that is pro-LIFE, but are entirely willing to watch your fellow American die of treatable illnesses.
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
Posted by PhyllisNJoe
Hoping that when they do repeal and replace, they do as they said, keeping pre existing conditions and kids stay on to 26.
Yeah. Not so much. All of it IS going away and there is no replacement.
It there is going to be a 7million tax break each for the top 400 wealthy people in the country.
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
To those cannot empathized with the insurance crisis-do you have a family member with mental illness(addiction, schizophrenia ect.), child with disability, lupus, multiple sclerosis, genetic disorder, any disorder or special needs that may make them less likely to sustain a full time job and employment benefits for the duration of their life? Are you a caregiver to elderly parents or family that uses these services?
It seems unless one has personal experience with the need for affordable care that it is a black and white issue. Not everyone is born a blank slate with the ability to be a 100% functioning person as our society sees it. As mentioned even the best fall on hard times and need assistance. Not everyone has experienced this yet and some never will. One of my favorite quotes:
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him."
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ElizaRags35
My 2 Girls
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
Posted by LastLightGlow
To those cannot empathized with the insurance crisis-do you have a family member with mental illness(addiction, schizophrenia ect.), child with disability, lupus, multiple sclerosis, genetic disorder, any disorder or special needs that may make them less likely to sustain a full time job and employment benefits for the duration of their life? Are you a caregiver to elderly parents or family that uses these services?
It seems unless one has personal experience with the need for affordable care that it is a black and white issue. Not everyone is born a blank slate with the ability to be a 100% functioning person as our society sees it. As mentioned even the best fall on hard times and need assistance. Not everyone has experienced this yet and some never will. One of my favorite quotes:
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him."
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
It really amazes me how ignorant, selfish, entitled and arrogant some people are. The lack of empathy and compassion for others is what is wrong with this country.
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