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Re: Security at your kid's schools - Specifics
Posted by JandJ1224
In newsday today it was reported that Miller Place hired armed guards.
I think this is just a way to make people feel comforted that something is being done. Realistically I don't think one armed guard with a hand gun would be any match for someone storming the school with an assault rifle.
I heard this oon the radio this morning. The district I am in here in NJ just started with armed guards in all of their schools this week. It makes me sad.
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Re: Security at your kid's schools - Specifics
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Posted by JandJ1224
In newsday today it was reported that Miller Place hired armed guards.
I think this is just a way to make people feel comforted that something is being done. Realistically I don't think one armed guard with a hand gun would be any match for someone storming the school with an assault rifle.
I heard this oon the radio this morning. The district I am in here in NJ just started with armed guards in all of their schools this week. It makes me sad.
This is a band aid to make everyone feel better - like when I kiss my toddler's boo-boo. It won't prevent a shooting unless the armed guard happens to be at exactly the right place at the right time. It's possible that if the guard engages the shooter there would be fewer fatalities - assuming the guard can identify the shooter, isn't killed, and can successfully neutralize the threat. That's a lot of "ifs" in my opinion, and there is also the possible dangers of having an armed guard in a school environment. What if the guard mistakes something benign for a weapon and shoots a student? What if there is a student confrontation at school and the guard uses their gun claiming it was reasonable force? Any time you introduce guns into a situation the danger increases and regular confrontations are more likely to escalate.
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| Posted 2/28/18 12:56 PM |
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RainyDay
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Re: Security at your kid's schools - Specifics
Posted by starbrightgirl8
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Posted by JandJ1224
In newsday today it was reported that Miller Place hired armed guards.
I think this is just a way to make people feel comforted that something is being done. Realistically I don't think one armed guard with a hand gun would be any match for someone storming the school with an assault rifle.
I heard this oon the radio this morning. The district I am in here in NJ just started with armed guards in all of their schools this week. It makes me sad.
This is a band aid to make everyone feel better - like when I kiss my toddler's boo-boo. It won't prevent a shooting unless the armed guard happens to be at exactly the right place at the right time. It's possible that if the guard engages the shooter there would be fewer fatalities - assuming the guard can identify the shooter, isn't killed, and can successfully neutralize the threat. That's a lot of "ifs" in my opinion, and there is also the possible dangers of having an armed guard in a school environment. What if the guard mistakes something benign for a weapon and shoots a student? What if there is a student confrontation at school and the guard uses their gun claiming it was reasonable force? Any time you introduce guns into a situation the danger increases and regular confrontations are more likely to escalate.
And this is why I think its a HORRIBLE idea to arm school staff.
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Aries14
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Re: Security at your kid's schools - Specifics
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by starbrightgirl8
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by JandJ1224
In newsday today it was reported that Miller Place hired armed guards.
I think this is just a way to make people feel comforted that something is being done. Realistically I don't think one armed guard with a hand gun would be any match for someone storming the school with an assault rifle.
I heard this oon the radio this morning. The district I am in here in NJ just started with armed guards in all of their schools this week. It makes me sad.
This is a band aid to make everyone feel better - like when I kiss my toddler's boo-boo. It won't prevent a shooting unless the armed guard happens to be at exactly the right place at the right time. It's possible that if the guard engages the shooter there would be fewer fatalities - assuming the guard can identify the shooter, isn't killed, and can successfully neutralize the threat. That's a lot of "ifs" in my opinion, and there is also the possible dangers of having an armed guard in a school environment. What if the guard mistakes something benign for a weapon and shoots a student? What if there is a student confrontation at school and the guard uses their gun claiming it was reasonable force? Any time you introduce guns into a situation the danger increases and regular confrontations are more likely to escalate.
And this is why I think its a HORRIBLE idea to arm school staff.
My children are in Miller Place schools and I APPAULD them for making this move. This is not "staff" being armed. They are off duty/retired trained law enforcement. Sure, maybe one guy cant stop a situation like Parkland but I sure as hell feel better there is at least someone there to TRY!
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| Posted 2/28/18 1:54 PM |
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Re: Security at your kid's schools - Specifics
Posted by Aries14
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by starbrightgirl8
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by JandJ1224
In newsday today it was reported that Miller Place hired armed guards.
I think this is just a way to make people feel comforted that something is being done. Realistically I don't think one armed guard with a hand gun would be any match for someone storming the school with an assault rifle.
I heard this oon the radio this morning. The district I am in here in NJ just started with armed guards in all of their schools this week. It makes me sad.
This is a band aid to make everyone feel better - like when I kiss my toddler's boo-boo. It won't prevent a shooting unless the armed guard happens to be at exactly the right place at the right time. It's possible that if the guard engages the shooter there would be fewer fatalities - assuming the guard can identify the shooter, isn't killed, and can successfully neutralize the threat. That's a lot of "ifs" in my opinion, and there is also the possible dangers of having an armed guard in a school environment. What if the guard mistakes something benign for a weapon and shoots a student? What if there is a student confrontation at school and the guard uses their gun claiming it was reasonable force? Any time you introduce guns into a situation the danger increases and regular confrontations are more likely to escalate.
And this is why I think its a HORRIBLE idea to arm school staff.
My children are in Miller Place schools and I APPAULD them for making this move. This is not "staff" being armed. They are off duty/retired trained law enforcement. Sure, maybe one guy cant stop a situation like Parkland but I sure as hell feel better there is at least someone there to TRY!
I wasn't saying that staff was being armed there. I am referring to all the talk in the media about arming teachers. I get why the schools are doing it and I think its a smart move to have trained individuals but I am just sad that its come to this.
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Re: Security at your kid's schools - Specifics
Posted by dianadrw
Posted by starbrightgirl8
Who cares what security measures are at your school? I think part of what Parkland shows is that there is always a way around security measures. Most of the successful school shooters have gone to the school. They know the security measures, and they've figured out ways around them before they arrive. The shooter knew when the school gates would be opened to start letting people leave the school, he knew when kids would be going outside to change classes, and he apparently knew that pulling the fire alarm would override the lock down. No matter what security measures you take, there will always be a way around it, or the shooter will just choose a different venue - maybe instead of during school they'll go to a school event. I'm not saying security measures are pointless, but I don't want my kids to feel like they're going into a prison every morning to learn.
The real issue/problem isn't that schools aren't secure enough, it's that people who have all the red flags for violence still have access to guns.
Domestic violence is one of the biggest indicators of having the potential for becoming a mass shooter. If you look back at all the past shooters, almost all - if not all, have a history of domestic violence, but they're still allowed to buy guns. The gun lobby wants people to believe that any regulation is a violation of the 2nd amendment, but that's just ridiculous. We need comprehensive national gun reform with reasonable restrictions - extensive background checks, waiting periods, training requirements, storage requirements, etc. Make it so people have to put some work into owning a gun and make sure they take the proper precautions when they do own one.
All the rest of our constitutional rights have reasonable restrictions. The right to free speech doesn't include hate speech or speech that incites violence or obscenity. You can't yell "FIRE" in a crowded place because your free speech right doesn't override the people around you's right to not be put in harms way. If you go through the bill of rights, every right has reasonable restrictions put on it which are typically justified by whether your personal right outweighs the cost to society as whole (Or in the case of abortion, there are restrictions up the wazoo because women shouldn't really have any rights over their bodies). I think in the case of guns the cost to our society justifies reasonable restrictions on the right to bear their arms.
I'm completely agree. I think school security can be tightened up but what we really need is comprehensive gun reform. The problem is the 2nd amendment zealots think that means banning all guns. Why someone needs an AR-15 is beyond me.
Agree and agree. I'm completely against the idea of arming teachers, but I think many schools are too lax with their security measures in this day and age. I recognize the potential for liability and a possible bad situation having armed guards at schools (like accidentally shooting a student or staff member) but I don't think it's a bad idea to have trained armed law enforcement or former military at schools (who have passed a full background clearance and mental evaluation) but NOT in the case of a school shooter holding an ar-15 (those types of weapons should be completely banned for civilians, if you want one so bad go enlist and fight for your country). A handgun is no match for an ar-15 and the guards will just end up being killed along with the kids. Armed guards ok for situations like an intruder sneaks onto school grounds, etc.
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Re: Security at your kid's schools - Specifics
Posted by Aries14
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by starbrightgirl8
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by JandJ1224
In newsday today it was reported that Miller Place hired armed guards.
I think this is just a way to make people feel comforted that something is being done. Realistically I don't think one armed guard with a hand gun would be any match for someone storming the school with an assault rifle.
I heard this oon the radio this morning. The district I am in here in NJ just started with armed guards in all of their schools this week. It makes me sad.
This is a band aid to make everyone feel better - like when I kiss my toddler's boo-boo. It won't prevent a shooting unless the armed guard happens to be at exactly the right place at the right time. It's possible that if the guard engages the shooter there would be fewer fatalities - assuming the guard can identify the shooter, isn't killed, and can successfully neutralize the threat. That's a lot of "ifs" in my opinion, and there is also the possible dangers of having an armed guard in a school environment. What if the guard mistakes something benign for a weapon and shoots a student? What if there is a student confrontation at school and the guard uses their gun claiming it was reasonable force? Any time you introduce guns into a situation the danger increases and regular confrontations are more likely to escalate.
And this is why I think its a HORRIBLE idea to arm school staff.
My children are in Miller Place schools and I APPAULD them for making this move. This is not "staff" being armed. They are off duty/retired trained law enforcement. Sure, maybe one guy cant stop a situation like Parkland but I sure as hell feel better there is at least someone there to TRY!
Yes, because law enforcement officers never mistakenly shoot people. 
I hope the false sense of security is worth it.
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Re: Security at your kid's schools - Specifics
Posted by starbrightgirl8
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by JandJ1224
In newsday today it was reported that Miller Place hired armed guards.
I think this is just a way to make people feel comforted that something is being done. Realistically I don't think one armed guard with a hand gun would be any match for someone storming the school with an assault rifle.
I heard this oon the radio this morning. The district I am in here in NJ just started with armed guards in all of their schools this week. It makes me sad.
This is a band aid to make everyone feel better - like when I kiss my toddler's boo-boo. It won't prevent a shooting unless the armed guard happens to be at exactly the right place at the right time. It's possible that if the guard engages the shooter there would be fewer fatalities - assuming the guard can identify the shooter, isn't killed, and can successfully neutralize the threat. That's a lot of "ifs" in my opinion, and there is also the possible dangers of having an armed guard in a school environment. What if the guard mistakes something benign for a weapon and shoots a student? What if there is a student confrontation at school and the guard uses their gun claiming it was reasonable force? Any time you introduce guns into a situation the danger increases and regular confrontations are more likely to escalate.
EXACTLY
a band aid for sure.
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KarenK122
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Security at your kid's schools - Specifics
Armed guards will do nothing, adding a license reader at a door does nothing. Arming teachers is just the most ridiculous thing I have heard. It is just to appease the parents in thinking that the buildings are secure. There is no way to secure a school unless they completely close the campus, fence it and only let vetted people through. Even that will not stop a student or staff member who wants to do something dreadful. Our district has many security protocols and hire only retired police or military for security guards. Yesterday I saw a police car parked in front of the High School for most of the day. While I appreciate their efforts, it really does nothing. The kids are all outside at recess, all the classrooms have outside windows. They are vulnerable no matter what procedures they put in place. The only thing that will help is gun reform. The only thing that they have implemented that I do think is helpful is that the school has a direct line to the police station. They just press a button and the police are alerted.
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Security at your kid's schools - Specifics
Our school is discussing various security options, including armed guards and new security systems potentially costing taxpayers millions of dollars. Maybe that money would be better spent on education and putting systems in place for addressing students in need of help. The Parkland shooter appears to have been on everyone's radar, but nothing was done about it.
School security is just a red herring. If they keep us all focused on armed guards (or teachers) long enough, then we'll forget about gun reform eventually.
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Re: Security at your kid's schools - Specifics
Posted by starbrightgirl8
School security is just a red herring. If they keep us all focused on armed guards (or teachers) long enough, then we'll forget about gun reform eventually.
It's completely ineffective (someone with an ar-15 is getting in no matter how many metal detectors there are) and to make the public happy momentarily because it looks like something is being done. Securing schools is great but what about churches, movie theaters, clubs, and concert venues? Mass shootings in this country happen EVERYWHERE and they go back decades. 21 people were killed in a mass shooting at a McDonald's. Should McDonald's have to hire armed guards and install metal detectors too so kids aren't massacred while playing in the ball pit?
But let's just keep the focus on schools so we don't have to talk about the elephant in the room.
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Re: Security at your kid's schools - Specifics
Posted by KarenK122
Armed guards will do nothing, adding a license reader at a door does nothing. Arming teachers is just the most ridiculous thing I have heard. It is just to appease the parents in thinking that the buildings are secure. There is no way to secure a school unless they completely close the campus, fence it and only let vetted people through. Even that will not stop a student or staff member who wants to do something dreadful. Our district has many security protocols and hire only retired police or military for security guards. Yesterday I saw a police car parked in front of the High School for most of the day. While I appreciate their efforts, it really does nothing. The kids are all outside at recess, all the classrooms have outside windows. They are vulnerable no matter what procedures they put in place. The only thing that will help is gun reform. The only thing that they have implemented that I do think is helpful is that the school has a direct line to the police station. They just press a button and the police are alerted.
Couldn't agree more.
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