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GoldenRod
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr to head vaccine safety commission
https://www.buzzfeed.com/azeenghorayshi/trump-kennedy-antivaccine?utm_term=.la3V2vmK4#.huvVgyapP
Donald Trump moved to question one of the signature medical accomplishments of the 20th century Tuesday, reportedly appointing a leading critic of vaccines to chair a commission on vaccine safety.
“President-elect Trump has some doubts about the current vaccine policies and he has questions about it,” Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. told the pool reporter at Trump Tower after meeting Trump Tuesday. “Everybody ought to be able to be assured that the vaccines that we have—he’s very pro-vaccine, as am I— but they’re as safe as they possibly can be.”
Kennedy is a longtime environmental activist and radio host, as well as the son of the late attorney general and the nephew of President John F. Kennedy. He gained notoriety after a 2014 book called Thimerosal: Let the Science Speak, in which he argued that the mercury-containing compound, used as a preservative in flu vaccines, was linked to autism.
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Is he intentionally going around and choosing people who are completely against the department he wants them to head?
How can someone who wrote a book linking vaccines with autism run a commission on vaccines? 
I have no generic issue with making sure vaccines are safe, but to have the committee run by someone who linked vaccines and autism, despite all of the science, is mind-boggling.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr to head vaccine safety commission
These crazy anti science, anti vaccination people make me bonkers crazy.
Its people like this that KILL children. So many people think the flu vaccine is only a money maker and wont give it to their kids. These people believe this bunk, crap science and it pisses me off. (With the caveat that no vaccine, no medicine is 100% safe. I will never say you cant get harmed from a Tylenol nor the flu shot).
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Pumpkin1
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr to head vaccine safety commission
It's like Rick Perry for Energy Secretary, he's putting people in place to undo government regulation. He wants to break the system and he's putting people in place that he knows will do that.
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liadorbs
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr to head vaccine safety commission
The amount of times I've said aloud "are you f*$&#% kidding me?!" since this monster was elected.... it's truly unbelievable and completely horrifying.
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Re: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr to head vaccine safety commission
Posted by liadorbs
The amount of times I've said aloud "are you f*$&#% kidding me?!" since this monster was elected.... it's truly unbelievable and completely horrifying.
I just told someone my eyes hurt from all the rolling they've done at every report I've been reading. We are so screwed.
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Pumpkin1
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Re: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr to head vaccine safety commission
Goldenrod, I know you'll need to fix this link since I'm incapable of doing it myself. 
http://www.salon.com/2016/12/25/donald-trumps-wrecking-crew-a-cabinet-of-zealots-who-yearn-to-destroy-their-own-agencies/
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NervousNell
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Re: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr to head vaccine safety commission
Posted by Paramount
These crazy anti science, anti vaccination people make me bonkers crazy.
Its people like this that KILL children. So many people think the flu vaccine is only a money maker and wont give it to their kids. These people believe this bunk, crap science and it pisses me off. (With the caveat that no vaccine, no medicine is 100% safe. I will never say you cant get harmed from a Tylenol nor the flu shot).
I believe in all vaccines and give them to my DD on time and on schedule. But the flu vaccine I don't think works.
I still give it to her- because I don't think it will do her any harm- and just in case it DOES work, I'd rather her have it, but she got it last year and got the flu.
I hear so many people this year getting flu with getting the shot.
I think that shot is the worst vaccine out there in terms of effectiveness.
I never had one and never will
But all other vaccines- like MMR, etc- I totally agree with you on
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Re: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr to head vaccine safety commission
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Paramount
These crazy anti science, anti vaccination people make me bonkers crazy.
Its people like this that KILL children. So many people think the flu vaccine is only a money maker and wont give it to their kids. These people believe this bunk, crap science and it pisses me off. (With the caveat that no vaccine, no medicine is 100% safe. I will never say you cant get harmed from a Tylenol nor the flu shot).
I believe in all vaccines and give them to my DD on time and on schedule. But the flu vaccine I don't think works.
I still give it to her- because I don't think it will do her any harm- and just in case it DOES work, I'd rather her have it, but she got it last year and got the flu.
I hear so many people this year getting flu with getting the shot.
I think that shot is the worst vaccine out there in terms of effectiveness.
I never had one and never will
But all other vaccines- like MMR, etc- I totally agree with you on
I believe every parent is going to do what they feel is best when it comes to vaccinating their children BUT having someone who is anti-vaccine head the vaccine safety commission doesn't make any sense! And why would RFK Jr. even accept unless to push his own agenda 
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GoldenRod
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Re: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr to head vaccine safety commission
http://www.salon.com/2016/12/25/donald-trumps-wrecking-crew-a-cabinet-of-zealots-who-yearn-to-destroy-their-own-agencies/
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Leb
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Re: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr to head vaccine safety commission
Posted by mrsrainbow
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Paramount
These crazy anti science, anti vaccination people make me bonkers crazy.
Its people like this that KILL children. So many people think the flu vaccine is only a money maker and wont give it to their kids. These people believe this bunk, crap science and it pisses me off. (With the caveat that no vaccine, no medicine is 100% safe. I will never say you cant get harmed from a Tylenol nor the flu shot).
I believe in all vaccines and give them to my DD on time and on schedule. But the flu vaccine I don't think works.
I still give it to her- because I don't think it will do her any harm- and just in case it DOES work, I'd rather her have it, but she got it last year and got the flu.
I hear so many people this year getting flu with getting the shot.
I think that shot is the worst vaccine out there in terms of effectiveness.
I never had one and never will
But all other vaccines- like MMR, etc- I totally agree with you on
I believe every parent is going to do what they feel is best when it comes to vaccinating their children BUT having someone who is anti-vaccine head the vaccine safety commission doesn't make any sense! And why would RFK Jr. even accept unless to push his own agenda
See but what you said is where the fight is coming from. Every parents wants to do best by their child and make their own decisions. The government is trying to mandate vaccinations when there is ZERO accountability from those who make the vaccines.
IMO changes need to be made. You should be able to sue if your child is vaccine damaged and spreading out single dose vaccinations would be a start.
In addition and IMO it's like abortion. I don't believe an abortion is a great thing to have to have BUT I sure as hell want the choice and want the government out of my uterus and body. I don't need them mandating what my child should and should not have injected into her body.
Trump has said he is pro vax but wants to ensure they're as safe as they possibly can be. And FYI someone veryclose to me was vaccine injured.
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LuckyStar
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr to head vaccine safety commission
I am a medical researcher (admittedly, not vaccines). You know all those side effects you hear at the end of drug commercials? I review those long before the public hears about them. They sound scary, right? They're not. Say someone is participating in a trial for a new diabetes drug. They're in their 70's, have had years of uncontrolled blood sugar, hypertensive, etc. Two months after they start taking the drug they have a heart attack and die. Did the drug cause them to have the heart attack? Or did they have the heart attack because they walked around with blood sugars of 500 for 10 years and their blood pressure has been through the roof for just as long?
Vaccines are no different. They've been studied more than any other pharmaceutical compound on earth. We know there is no link. Andrew Wakefield, the original *******, fabricated his data. It was FAKE. He LOST HIS MEDICAL LICENSE. But what about all these kids who are perfectly fine and then they get their MMR and end up diagnosed with autism? The timing of an MMR vaccine and the timing of autism presenting itself overlap. Diagnostic tools for autism are better than they were 20 years ago. 1 in 68 children will be diagnosed with autism, vaccinated or not.
As a parent, my DD is fully vaccinated, including flu, according to the CDC schedule. I would not knowingly allow her to play with an unvaccinated child until she has all her vaccines around 2. I have a family member who doesn't vaccinate her child. DD hasn't met her. The multitude of physicians I work with do the same with their kids.
I also believe the government cannot explicitly say "you must vaccinate your child." But the government can keep these children out of school and daycare. That is where the focus needs to be shifted. You cannot argue with a parent who won't vaccinate their child. But you can make it incredibly difficult for them to participate in society. And that needs to happen, because herd immunity.
1 in 68 are sh!tty odds. And I get a parent needing a reason for their child’s diagnosis. It’s human nature. It’s a tough diagnosis and my heart breaks for those parents. My heart could very well break for myself because my DD is too young to be diagnosed and she has the same odds as every other child. ALL of our children do. None of us are exempt. I think a committee on autism is a great idea, but there is no place for vaccines in it.
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Re: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr to head vaccine safety commission
Posted by liadorbs
The amount of times I've said aloud "are you f*$&#% kidding me?!" since this monster was elected.... it's truly unbelievable and completely horrifying.
 seriously gonna hashtag this and tattoo it on my forehead. I can't.
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Re: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr to head vaccine safety commission
Posted by liadorbs
The amount of times I've said aloud "are you f*$&#% kidding me?!" since this monster was elected.... it's truly unbelievable and completely horrifying.
 
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Re: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr to head vaccine safety commission
Posted by LuckyStar
I am a medical researcher (admittedly, not vaccines). You know all those side effects you hear at the end of drug commercials? I review those long before the public hears about them. They sound scary, right? They're not. Say someone is participating in a trial for a new diabetes drug. They're in their 70's, have had years of uncontrolled blood sugar, hypertensive, etc. Two months after they start taking the drug they have a heart attack and die. Did the drug cause them to have the heart attack? Or did they have the heart attack because they walked around with blood sugars of 500 for 10 years and their blood pressure has been through the roof for just as long?
Vaccines are no different. They've been studied more than any other pharmaceutical compound on earth. We know there is no link. Andrew Wakefield, the original *******, fabricated his data. It was FAKE. He LOST HIS MEDICAL LICENSE. But what about all these kids who are perfectly fine and then they get their MMR and end up diagnosed with autism? The timing of an MMR vaccine and the timing of autism presenting itself overlap. Diagnostic tools for autism are better than they were 20 years ago. 1 in 68 children will be diagnosed with autism, vaccinated or not.
As a parent, my DD is fully vaccinated, including flu, according to the CDC schedule. I would not knowingly allow her to play with an unvaccinated child until she has all her vaccines around 2. I have a family member who doesn't vaccinate her child. DD hasn't met her. The multitude of physicians I work with do the same with their kids.
I also believe the government cannot explicitly say "you must vaccinate your child." But the government can keep these children out of school and daycare. That is where the focus needs to be shifted. You cannot argue with a parent who won't vaccinate their child. But you can make it incredibly difficult for them to participate in society. And that needs to happen, because herd immunity.
1 in 68 are sh!tty odds. And I get a parent needing a reason for their child’s diagnosis. It’s human nature. It’s a tough diagnosis and my heart breaks for those parents. My heart could very well break for myself because my DD is too young to be diagnosed and she has the same odds as every other child. ALL of our children do. None of us are exempt. I think a committee on autism is a great idea, but there is no place for vaccines in it.
Well said! I agree with this completely.
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Diane
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Re: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr to head vaccine safety commission
Posted by Leb
Posted by mrsrainbow
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Paramount
These crazy anti science, anti vaccination people make me bonkers crazy.
Its people like this that KILL children. So many people think the flu vaccine is only a money maker and wont give it to their kids. These people believe this bunk, crap science and it pisses me off. (With the caveat that no vaccine, no medicine is 100% safe. I will never say you cant get harmed from a Tylenol nor the flu shot).
I believe in all vaccines and give them to my DD on time and on schedule. But the flu vaccine I don't think works.
I still give it to her- because I don't think it will do her any harm- and just in case it DOES work, I'd rather her have it, but she got it last year and got the flu.
I hear so many people this year getting flu with getting the shot.
I think that shot is the worst vaccine out there in terms of effectiveness.
I never had one and never will
But all other vaccines- like MMR, etc- I totally agree with you on
I believe every parent is going to do what they feel is best when it comes to vaccinating their children BUT having someone who is anti-vaccine head the vaccine safety commission doesn't make any sense! And why would RFK Jr. even accept unless to push his own agenda
See but what you said is where the fight is coming from. Every parents wants to do best by their child and make their own decisions. The government is trying to mandate vaccinations when there is ZERO accountability from those who make the vaccines.
IMO changes need to be made. You should be able to sue if your child is vaccine damaged and spreading out single dose vaccinations would be a start.
In addition and IMO it's like abortion. I don't believe an abortion is a great thing to have to have BUT I sure as hell want the choice and want the government out of my uterus and body. I don't need them mandating what my child should and should not have injected into her body.
Trump has said he is pro vax but wants to ensure they're as safe as they possibly can be. And FYI someone veryclose to me was vaccine injured.
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Re: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr to head vaccine safety commission
Posted by LuckyStar
I am a medical researcher (admittedly, not vaccines). You know all those side effects you hear at the end of drug commercials? I review those long before the public hears about them. They sound scary, right? They're not. Say someone is participating in a trial for a new diabetes drug. They're in their 70's, have had years of uncontrolled blood sugar, hypertensive, etc. Two months after they start taking the drug they have a heart attack and die. Did the drug cause them to have the heart attack? Or did they have the heart attack because they walked around with blood sugars of 500 for 10 years and their blood pressure has been through the roof for just as long?
Vaccines are no different. They've been studied more than any other pharmaceutical compound on earth. We know there is no link. Andrew Wakefield, the original *******, fabricated his data. It was FAKE. He LOST HIS MEDICAL LICENSE. But what about all these kids who are perfectly fine and then they get their MMR and end up diagnosed with autism? The timing of an MMR vaccine and the timing of autism presenting itself overlap. Diagnostic tools for autism are better than they were 20 years ago. 1 in 68 children will be diagnosed with autism, vaccinated or not.
As a parent, my DD is fully vaccinated, including flu, according to the CDC schedule. I would not knowingly allow her to play with an unvaccinated child until she has all her vaccines around 2. I have a family member who doesn't vaccinate her child. DD hasn't met her. The multitude of physicians I work with do the same with their kids.
I also believe the government cannot explicitly say "you must vaccinate your child." But the government can keep these children out of school and daycare. That is where the focus needs to be shifted. You cannot argue with a parent who won't vaccinate their child. But you can make it incredibly difficult for them to participate in society. And that needs to happen, because herd immunity.
1 in 68 are sh!tty odds. And I get a parent needing a reason for their child’s diagnosis. It’s human nature. It’s a tough diagnosis and my heart breaks for those parents. My heart could very well break for myself because my DD is too young to be diagnosed and she has the same odds as every other child. ALL of our children do. None of us are exempt. I think a committee on autism is a great idea, but there is no place for vaccines in it.
Thank you!!!! I completely agree.
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mrsrainbow
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Re: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr to head vaccine safety commission
Actually what I meant was, how can someone who is anti-vaccine give a fair shake to ALL information regarding vaccination or non-vaccination. It's a personal choice for the parents and I think it seems like a conflict to have someone who is not impartial lead this commission. So I think you're barking up the wrong tree, I have no problem with anyone who vaccinates or doesn't vaccinate, I just think the person leading the commission should be impartial.
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GoldenRod
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Re: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr to head vaccine safety commission
Posted by Leb
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Trump has said he is pro vax but wants to ensure they're as safe as they possibly can be. And FYI someone very close to me was vaccine injured.
I have no issue with a committee, I just have an issue about vaccine safety being headed by someone who wrote a recent book relating vaccines, thermerisol, and autism.....
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Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by Leb
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Trump has said he is pro vax but wants to ensure they're as safe as they possibly can be. And FYI someone very close to me was vaccine injured.
I have no issue with a committee, I just have an issue about vaccine safety being headed by someone who wrote a recent book relating vaccines, thermerisol, and autism.....
Exactly! See what I wrote above - Trump has not picked ANYONE who is impartial. He is picking people who clearly have a one-sided agenda.
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr to head vaccine safety commission
Yeah, I'm not going to go back and forth with anyone, but the issue isn't as cut and dry as people here are making it appear and there are many highly educated , intelligent people who are NOT nuts or anti science who are vaccine questioning. many of them went in that direction after they or someone they loved was vaccine injured. There are compelling arguments on both sides and it is a complicated issue.
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Re: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr to head vaccine safety commission
Posted by MrsA1012
Yeah, I'm not going to go back and forth with anyone, but the issue isn't as cut and dry as people here are making it appear and there are many highly educated , intelligent people who are NOT nuts or anti science who are vaccine questioning. many of them went in that direction after they or someone they loved was vaccine injured. There are compelling arguments on both sides and it is a complicated issue.
Completely agree with this. The incoming President is not anti-vaccine, he has stated he is skeptical of the current schedule and wants it studied. There currently is not an independent study evaluating the effects of the complete schedule so no harm there.
IMO, the pharma lobby is so powerful that the study will rubberstamp the schedule so nothing will change.
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Re: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr to head vaccine safety commission
Posted by MrsA1012
Yeah, I'm not going to go back and forth with anyone, but the issue isn't as cut and dry as people here are making it appear and there are many highly educated , intelligent people who are NOT nuts or anti science who are vaccine questioning. many of them went in that direction after they or someone they loved was vaccine injured. There are compelling arguments on both sides and it is a complicated issue.
Absolutely agree. NO ONE can say for certain that the current vaccines and vaccine schedule is safe for ALL kids. In fact, it has actually been found and conceded that certain children are more susceptible to vaccine injury. Read the product insert the next time your child gets a vaccine. It's all there in black and white. Not enough research has been done and the research that has been done is obviously starting from a place of needing the vaccines to check out and by groups that have their own self-interests. I for one would welcome a better system of checks and balances. I think all of our children could benefit from unbiased further research into vaccine safety - both individual vaccines and cumulative effects. Don't know enough about this guy to say he is the one to do it but the acknowledgment that more research and a better system is needed. Moreover, if this DOES happen - maybe LESS people would delay or choose not to vaccinate.
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Re: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr to head vaccine safety commission
Posted by MrsPenthouse
Posted by MrsA1012
Yeah, I'm not going to go back and forth with anyone, but the issue isn't as cut and dry as people here are making it appear and there are many highly educated , intelligent people who are NOT nuts or anti science who are vaccine questioning. many of them went in that direction after they or someone they loved was vaccine injured. There are compelling arguments on both sides and it is a complicated issue.
Completely agree with this. The incoming President is not anti-vaccine, he has stated he is skeptical of the current schedule and wants it studied. There currently is not an independent study evaluating the effects of the complete schedule so no harm there.
IMO, the pharma lobby is so powerful that the study will rubberstamp the schedule so nothing will change.
I agree with both of you. It's not a one shoe fits every child. There are some odd ingredients in vaccines and I am ALL for anyone questions and researching and ensuring that they're as safe as hey possibly can be. I have a feeling if these pharmaceutical companies had liability on them they'd be signing another tune.
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Re: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr to head vaccine safety commission
Posted by Leb
I have a feeling if these pharmaceutical companies had liability on them they'd be signing another tune.
But they do. Drug companies are sued all the time. If a child suffers a vaccine injury of course they pay. They pay big time. As long as there is proof that the vaccine caused the injury. But autism is not a vaccine injury because there several highly respected, well-designed studies that show there is no link between vaccines and autism.
It's sort of like being hit by a bus. If a bus hits someone, their family sues. The bus company pays once it is found that the bus driver is responsible. The only difference is those family members don't stop crossing the street.
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Re: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr to head vaccine safety commission
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by Leb
I have a feeling if these pharmaceutical companies had liability on them they'd be signing another tune.
But they do. Drug companies are sued all the time. If a child suffers a vaccine injury of course they pay. They pay big time. As long as there is proof that the vaccine caused the injury. But autism is not a vaccine injury because there several highly respected, well-designed studies that show there is no link between vaccines and autism.
It's sort of like being hit by a bus. If a bus hits someone, their family sues. The bus company pays once it is found that the bus driver is responsible. The only difference is those family members don't stop crossing the street.
Actually they don't pay at all. Any vaccine injury claims are settled by the Vaccine Injury Compensation Trust Fund. The Fund is Funded by a $.75 excise tax on vaccines recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for routine administration to children, the excise tax is imposed on each dose (i.e., disease that is prevented) of a vaccine. Trivalent influenza vaccine for example, is taxed $.75 because it prevents one disease; measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, which prevents three diseases, is taxed $2.25.
The Department of Treasury collects the excise taxes and manages the Fund’s investments and produces Vaccine Injury Compensation Trust Fund Monthly Reports.
Vaccine manufacturers are IMMUNE to injury related lawsuits, we the tax payers make the payments.
https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/about/
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