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LuckyStar
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Preschool/Kindergarten Cutoff
Has anyone with a December baby successfully circumnavigated the Dec. 1 cutoff? I thought I had until kindergarten on this but have learned that my DD would not be able to transition to a 2's program at daycare until she is nearly 3.
If you were able to push them ahead, how did you do it?
Our plan was to move before kindergarten, but this preschool crap now means we would need to move two years earlier.
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Preschool/Kindergarten Cutoff
That's weird. My son moved to the toddler room at 18 months. He moved to the 3 year old nursery school room at 2 years 10 months. At my daycare, they move them a little early to make room for more infants.
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LuckyStar
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Re: Preschool/Kindergarten Cutoff
Posted by PitterPatter11
That's weird. My son moved to the toddler room at 18 months. He moved to the 3 year old nursery school room at 2 years 10 months. At my daycare, they move them a little early to make room for more infants.
I thought it was weird, too. We're looking at new daycares and 2 of them told us they follow the district rules for nursery/preschool so she wouldn't be able to transition to the 2s class until she was 2 years, 9 months then 3 years, 9 months for the first round of preschool and 4 years, 9 months for the second. Cause, you know, an extra year of preschool/daycare to the tune of $20k is nbd, right?
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alli3131
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Preschool/Kindergarten Cutoff
My ds is a December birthday he moved rooms the September before his birthday each year. But my daycare is in the border with a district that goes by the calendar year. My DS did 2 years of pre k because of the cut off date in our district. It was going to be 2 years in one of the classrooms so I picked pre k.
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Re: Preschool/Kindergarten Cutoff
I don't use a daycare, but my DD's birthday is in December. Our district's cutoff is Dec 1. I am starting her in a 3 year old class at 2 years 9 months, but it's in a neighboring district where the cutoff is 12/31. Many of the schools in my area wouldn't have accepted her until next year. She will have to do 3 years of preschool though- 3 years, 4 years, and what they call a "bridge" program for kids who either don't meet the cutoff or aren't ready yet for kindergarten. I'm not really sure how you'd get around the cutoff.
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ml110
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Preschool/Kindergarten Cutoff
my DS has a november birthday. he's 6, and just finished Kindergarten. he didn't do daycare, but the preschool he went to had a December 1st cut off. she he ended up doing 3 years of preschool-- he started the 3's class when he wasn't quite 3. then a 4s class, and then a "Transitional Kindergarten" class for kids like him who missed the district cut-off for kindergarten. If they go by the district's cut-off, i don't think theres any way you can get around it.... and i'll tell you, the extra year before starting kindergarten was the best thing for my son! he was SO much more ready.
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Sometimes you can get around the cut off by attending a private school or Montessori program for kindergarten. If they've already successfully completed kindergarten, the district may allow them to transition into first grade.
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MrsT809
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Preschool/Kindergarten Cutoff
I dont really understand what the big deal is regarding preschool? If you move, then he'll go according to the new district's cutoff. It's not as if they don't let you into kindergarten without having done a 4's program first.
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ali120206
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Preschool/Kindergarten Cutoff
DS 1 has a December b-day but, our daycare doesn't go by the school cut off. They move about every 6 months until Pre-K and they move kids to Pre-K early.
Some people in our district went the Catholic School route to circumvent the cutoff.
We just went with the cutoff- I didn't want to move DS numerous times and I didn't want him to be the youngest.
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Preschool/Kindergarten Cutoff
My sister put my niece in catholic school in a neighboring school district for kindergarten then moved her to first grade in the public school in her district to get around the cut off. You could do a similar thing for nursery school. My dd's nursery school follows the cutoff dates of the school district they are located in--also one of the NYS daycare regulations states that children under 2.9 months old cannot be in a mixed age class with older children (3-4's) except at the very beginning and very end of the day--I had an issue with an enrichment class offered in the afternoon at my daughter's school--she could not attend until she turned 2.9 months old-I called the childcare council and they explained the law to me.
I do not think an extra few months of prek 2 is going to have a negative impact on your daughter- at that age school is play based and focused on socialization and play.
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Re: Preschool/Kindergarten Cutoff
We have a friend who started her January baby in preschool a "year" early. She essentially just asked and harassed the school. The end result is she's going to have to do a transitional year before K.
I have a January baby. I would not start her in school early. Many, many parents hold their kids back here (the latest birthday is typically early summer) and this results in a December kid being a year and a half younger than some kids in her class (The early birthdays that were held back).
I DO have to say that there is a huge difference between my January baby and my late summer baby. I think depending on where you live and the style, this is exaggerated by people holding their kids back. Personally, I would not push forward and am already thinking about holding my 1 year old fall baby back. when she starts K.
Montessori is a good program if you want the kid challenged... mine was doing K work when she was ready and considered herself a Kindergartener. BUT in ours, potty trained is a differentiating point. So, they are in and charged as a "baby" until potty trained and wiping self. Not a problem for us (we are early potty trainers), but it can be for others.
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LuckyStar
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Preschool/Kindergarten Cutoff
Thanks all. I understand a lot of parents hold back and if that's what's best for them, that's great. For us, we want her starting along with every other kid born in 2015. Maybe it's our city mentality (they don't allow red shirting). I'm January and was always the oldest (city) and was bored out of my mind.
If she's a year and a half younger than other kids, that's fine by me. The program should be designed for late 4/5 year olds- that's the age the teacher should be teaching to. It makes no difference if there are 6 year olds in there.
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Re: Preschool/Kindergarten Cutoff
Posted by nycgirl
We have a friend who started her January baby in preschool a "year" early. She essentially just asked and harassed the school. The end result is she's going to have to do a transitional year before K.
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Hahahaha, I love this. I wouldn't even go to the district, I'd just get aggravated. I would at least harass a private school I was paying 
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star444
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Preschool/Kindergarten Cutoff
I have a November baby, but we use a private daycare so I don't know that they follow any school district guidelines. They move kids up based on their age but also take their ability and maturity level into account. My son is moving into the 2's classroom at the beginning of the next school year in September, even though he wont be 2 until November. But this is also based on other factors such as his ability to feed himself, communicate needs, mobility, etc. Initially I was extremely nervous about them holding him back because of his age; I didn't want him stuck in a classroom with a bunch of 9 month olds, I didn't think it would be good for his development. My point is, I think holding your DD back for almost another year is absurd.. you cant be the only parent in this position though right? Do you talk to any other moms?
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Re: Preschool/Kindergarten Cutoff
Posted by LuckyStar
Thanks all. I understand a lot of parents hold back and if that's what's best for them, that's great. For us, we want her starting along with every other kid born in 2015. Maybe it's our city mentality (they don't allow red shirting). I'm January and was always the oldest (city) and was bored out of my mind.
If she's a year and a half younger than other kids, that's fine by me. The program should be designed for late 4/5 year olds- that's the age the teacher should be teaching to. It makes no difference if there are 6 year olds in there.
That's not how it works on LI. You are never with just kids born the year you were born due to the 12/1 cut-off.
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LuckyStar
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Re: Preschool/Kindergarten Cutoff
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Posted by LuckyStar
Thanks all. I understand a lot of parents hold back and if that's what's best for them, that's great. For us, we want her starting along with every other kid born in 2015. Maybe it's our city mentality (they don't allow red shirting). I'm January and was always the oldest (city) and was bored out of my mind.
If she's a year and a half younger than other kids, that's fine by me. The program should be designed for late 4/5 year olds- that's the age the teacher should be teaching to. It makes no difference if there are 6 year olds in there.
That's not how it works on LI. You are never with just kids born the year you were born due to the 12/1 cut-off.
Not all of LI is 12/1. There are 4 districts I know of that are 12/31.
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LuckyStar
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Re: Preschool/Kindergarten Cutoff
Posted by star444
I have a November baby, but we use a private daycare so I don't know that they follow any school district guidelines. They move kids up based on their age but also take their ability and maturity level into account. My son is moving into the 2's classroom at the beginning of the next school year in September, even though he wont be 2 until November. But this is also based on other factors such as his ability to feed himself, communicate needs, mobility, etc. Initially I was extremely nervous about them holding him back because of his age; I didn't want him stuck in a classroom with a bunch of 9 month olds, I didn't think it would be good for his development. My point is, I think holding your DD back for almost another year is absurd.. you cant be the only parent in this position though right? Do you talk to any other moms?
Exactly. She already does all these things at 18 months. Sounds like your DS and my DD are a month (or less) apart. I get she's still so young and some kids aren't in any educational program at all this young but she is and if she's ready I don't get why you would hold her back. It's insane to me.
This is a private daycare. She'll never go to UPK through the district because we both work so she'll always be in daycare.
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NYCGirl80
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Re: Preschool/Kindergarten Cutoff
Don't you want your child in the same class as the kids she will start kindergarten with?
I personally missed the cutoff by 3 days so I was always the oldest in my grade and I liked it.
DS is also a January baby. He's one of the oldest in his day care class, but he's learning along with the rest of them. He's starting pre-k in September and will be in K the following year.
FWIW, my DD is a May birthday and she is far and away the most advanced in her daycare class. She was speaking full sentences well before 2-years old. I never asked for her to go into the older class. She is with her peers. Regardless of birthday, children will always be at different developmental levels and I think that's ok.
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Posted by NYCGirl80
Don't you want your child in the same class as the kids she will start kindergarten with?
I personally missed the cutoff by 3 days so I was always the oldest in my grade and I liked it.
DS is also a January baby. He's one of the oldest in his day care class, but he's learning along with the rest of them. He's starting pre-k in September and will be in K the following year.
FWIW, my DD is a May birthday and she is far and away the most advanced in her daycare class. She was speaking full sentences well before 2-years old. I never asked for her to go into the older class. She is with her peers. Regardless of birthday, children will always be at different developmental levels and I think that's ok.
But that's the thing, I'm not asking for her to go into an older class, I'm asking for her to go into the class with all the other children she'll already be with. So she's going into an 18-24 month room now. She will be there until she is 33 months at which point she would go to a 2 year old class.
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Re: Preschool/Kindergarten Cutoff
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Don't you want your child in the same class as the kids she will start kindergarten with?
I personally missed the cutoff by 3 days so I was always the oldest in my grade and I liked it.
DS is also a January baby. He's one of the oldest in his day care class, but he's learning along with the rest of them. He's starting pre-k in September and will be in K the following year.
FWIW, my DD is a May birthday and she is far and away the most advanced in her daycare class. She was speaking full sentences well before 2-years old. I never asked for her to go into the older class. She is with her peers. Regardless of birthday, children will always be at different developmental levels and I think that's ok.
But that's the thing, I'm not asking for her to go into an older class, I'm asking for her to go into the class with all the other children she'll already be with. So she's going into an 18-24 month room now. She will be there until she is 33 months at which point she would go to a 2 year old class.
It's kind of strange that they have an 18-24 month room but, keep them there longer than 6 months...
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My niece has a December 5 bday and went to daycare with my son who is May (same year, 2011). They transitioned my son into the 3/4 class in Sept (when he as 3 yrs, 3 months) and she came up in January at 3 years, 1 month. So he was in that class for 2 years, and she was in for 2.5 years essentially because she just graduated last week and will start kindy in Sept. My son just finished his kindy year.
Hope that made sense. My point was are they willing to move your child up mid-year?
PS- I wanted to add that DS2 is an October birthday (he'll be 4 this year) and all along I've been saying that he was going to kindy "on time". But after the year DS1 has had I am really rethinking that plan and will probably hold him back. Kindy is not what it used to be, not just the academics are hard (which was not a problem for DS1 at all since he was reading at age 4). But it is so rigid. There's very little science and free play and exploration. It's all dittos, math, and letters. My son hated it. I do not want to rush DS2 into in, especially since he's on the younger end. I think he'll love having some extra time in daycare to have fun and play and just be a kid. But obviously it's a very personal decision. Just wanted to give another perspective on it.
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Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by NYCGirl80
Don't you want your child in the same class as the kids she will start kindergarten with?
I personally missed the cutoff by 3 days so I was always the oldest in my grade and I liked it.
DS is also a January baby. He's one of the oldest in his day care class, but he's learning along with the rest of them. He's starting pre-k in September and will be in K the following year.
FWIW, my DD is a May birthday and she is far and away the most advanced in her daycare class. She was speaking full sentences well before 2-years old. I never asked for her to go into the older class. She is with her peers. Regardless of birthday, children will always be at different developmental levels and I think that's ok.
But that's the thing, I'm not asking for her to go into an older class, I'm asking for her to go into the class with all the other children she'll already be with. So she's going into an 18-24 month room now. She will be there until she is 33 months at which point she would go to a 2 year old class.
I missed that. I would just say you should speak to the director. She needs to be with the class that she will "graduate" to kindergarten with.
Is this a large center with several classes? We're in a center and it's very common for the younger kids to move around until they are in their toddler class.
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Posted by NYCGirl80
Don't you want your child in the same class as the kids she will start kindergarten with?
I personally missed the cutoff by 3 days so I was always the oldest in my grade and I liked it.
DS is also a January baby. He's one of the oldest in his day care class, but he's learning along with the rest of them. He's starting pre-k in September and will be in K the following year.
FWIW, my DD is a May birthday and she is far and away the most advanced in her daycare class. She was speaking full sentences well before 2-years old. I never asked for her to go into the older class. She is with her peers. Regardless of birthday, children will always be at different developmental levels and I think that's ok.
But that's the thing, I'm not asking for her to go into an older class, I'm asking for her to go into the class with all the other children she'll already be with. So she's going into an 18-24 month room now. She will be there until she is 33 months at which point she would go to a 2 year old class.
I missed that. I would just say you should speak to the director. She needs to be with the class that she will "graduate" to kindergarten with.
Is this a large center with several classes? We're in a center and it's very common for the younger kids to move around until they are in their toddler class.
It sounds like she will be with her "graduate" class.. But because she is a December baby and misses the cut off - she is technically on the older side of that class and I believe that is what the OP is upset about.
My DD is a December baby and at 2 I was kinda upset that she would have to wait a whole other year to start K because she was a few days past the 12/1 cutoff... fast forward 3 years and she is now 5 1/2 and about to go into K in September and I am SOOOOO happy she had that extra time.
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Re: Preschool/Kindergarten Cutoff
Posted by LuckyStar
Thanks all. I understand a lot of parents hold back and if that's what's best for them, that's great. For us, we want her starting along with every other kid born in 2015. Maybe it's our city mentality (they don't allow red shirting). I'm January and was always the oldest (city) and was bored out of my mind.
If she's a year and a half younger than other kids, that's fine by me. The program should be designed for late 4/5 year olds- that's the age the teacher should be teaching to. It makes no difference if there are 6 year olds in there.
You can absolutely Red shirt in the city. My sister almost did. And yes there are a few districts that follow the calendar year but in reality any cut off is arbitrary. There will always be an oldest kid and a youngest. If your daycare is following then 12/1 district cut off looks like your choice is to move to one of the 12/31 areas.
Is the date stupid yes but such is life.
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Posted by LuckyStar
Thanks all. I understand a lot of parents hold back and if that's what's best for them, that's great. For us, we want her starting along with every other kid born in 2015. Maybe it's our city mentality (they don't allow red shirting). I'm January and was always the oldest (city) and was bored out of my mind.
If she's a year and a half younger than other kids, that's fine by me. The program should be designed for late 4/5 year olds- that's the age the teacher should be teaching to. It makes no difference if there are 6 year olds in there.
You can absolutely Red shirt in the city. My sister almost did. And yes there are a few districts that follow the calendar year but in reality any cut off is arbitrary. There will always be an oldest kid and a youngest. If your daycare is following then 12/1 district cut off looks like your choice is to move to one of the 12/31 areas.
Is the date stupid yes but such is life.
My friend lives in Queens and her DS was born 11/28/11. He should be going into 1st, but she put him in 2 years of private pre-k and now he will start K in September at a Catholic school. She was told he would not be eligible for UPK this year because he was not born in 2012. She then tried to get him into his local District 26 school for K. She was told no because, again, all children entering K in Sept. must be born in 2012, all 2011 children must be entering 1st. Red shirting is not a thing in the city unless your child has a documented special need.
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