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OK...I am stepping in my flame retardant suit, but I need to ask a question about "going organic"
What is the big deal? We are not an organic family and I've read up on it and it still isn't compelling enough for me to make the switch, I guess I am from the old school mentality that we ate/drank WAY worse and we are fine. I don't really believe the connections between cancers, etc and certain products and food. Listen, my best friend died of cancer when we were 15, but it had nothing to do with what her parents fed her. I don't believe in that.
Obvi, I see NOTHING wrong with feeding /using your family/child organic only products but *I* just don't understand it....
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Re: OK...I am stepping in my flame retardant suit, but I need to ask a question about "going organic"
no flames here. i see where you are coming from. there really isn't a strong connection between most commonly used pesticides and any one illness. although in theory, if it is damaging enough to the systems of insects to kill them, it's hard to believe that these chemicals would have NO effect on humans. because at the end of the day, at the most basic level humans are the same as even the simplest organisms.
so my goal with ds is to try my best to avoid the potentially harmful chemicals. but i'm not going to be crazy over it. lord knows there is enough other stuff to be crazy about. i'm just going to do what i can.
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Re: OK...I am stepping in my flame retardant suit, but I need to ask a question about "going organic"
I thought also if i tried doing organic it would be easier on dd digestive system. Thought maybe with out the chemicals on it, just easier for her stomach.. Just a theory, no proof on it, i might just be an nieve for thinking that.
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Re: OK...I am stepping in my flame retardant suit, but I need to ask a question about "going organic"
I actually am thinking about going organic.
We don't eat organic in my house but I do see the concern and do feel it is valid. All the pesticide and chemicals they put on food these days is scarey to me.
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Porrruss
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Re: OK...I am stepping in my flame retardant suit, but I need to ask a question about "going organic"
Even though there is no known definitive cause, I believe there is something in our environment that has a hand in the rising rate of autism diagnosis.
With this in mind, I am choosing to not feed my daughter foods that are loaded with preservatives, pesticides, or hormones.
ETA: this is only one of a multitude of reasons I have chosen to go organic with DD. Another is that I feel it is better for the environment to choose foods that are organic. My own way of going green I suppose.
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Porrruss
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Re: OK...I am stepping in my flame retardant suit, but I need to ask a question about "going organic"
I wanted to add.... and NO flames here please Kate.
But how do you KNOW that cancer isn't caused by the foods we eat? For example, it's been proven that red meat, especially overcooked is linked to colon cancer.
Just because someone doesn't believe something doesn't mean it doesn't exist, KWIM?
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Re: OK...I am stepping in my flame retardant suit, but I need to ask a question about "going organic"
Posted by Porrruss
I wanted to add.... and NO flames here please Kate.
But how do you KNOW that cancer isn't caused by the foods we eat? For example, it's been proven that red meat, especially overcooked is linked to colon cancer.
Just because someone doesn't believe something doesn't mean it doesn't exist, KWIM?
very true... but at one point or another many, many foods have been linked to this or that illness. if you took all of those studies to heart (and they're usually not the most rigorous studies anyway), you'd be pretty much cutting everything out of your diet and obsessing about everything you put in your mouth.
i'm with you on wanting to be organic, i think it can't hurt to avoid as many of these harmful chemicals as i can. but i'm still going to eat my steak cooked medium-well, and if i buy some non-organic foods i'm not going to sweat it...
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Re: OK...I am stepping in my flame retardant suit, but I need to ask a question about "going organic"
Posted by Porrruss
I wanted to add.... and NO flames here please Kate.
But how do you KNOW that cancer isn't caused by the foods we eat? For example, it's been proven that red meat, especially overcooked is linked to colon cancer.
Just because someone doesn't believe something doesn't mean it doesn't exist, KWIM?
yea i agree. Although I am undecided as to certain aspects of it. I do think that the chemicals and pesticides used in our food are dangerous. I do feel that it is directly related to cancer. But that doesn't mean that eating non-organic foods will mean you will get cancer.
I do think there is a susceptibility that certain people have to getting cancer. That coupled with the toxins in our food, well that leads many people to increasing their risks of getting cancer.
Did that make sense?
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Re: OK...I am stepping in my flame retardant suit, but I need to ask a question about "going organic"
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Posted by Porrruss
I wanted to add.... and NO flames here please Kate.
But how do you KNOW that cancer isn't caused by the foods we eat? For example, it's been proven that red meat, especially overcooked is linked to colon cancer.
Just because someone doesn't believe something doesn't mean it doesn't exist, KWIM?
yea i agree. Although I am undecided as to certain aspects of it. I do think that the chemicals and pesticides used in our food are dangerous. I do feel that it is directly related to cancer. But that doesn't mean that eating non-organic foods will mean you will get cancer.
I do think there is a susceptibility that certain people have to getting cancer. That coupled with the toxins in our food, well that leads many people to increasing their risks of getting cancer.
Did that make sense?
Total sense.
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Re: OK...I am stepping in my flame retardant suit, but I need to ask a question about "going organic"
Posted by Porrruss
I wanted to add.... and NO flames here please Kate.
But how do you KNOW that cancer isn't caused by the foods we eat? For example, it's been proven that red meat, especially overcooked is linked to colon cancer.
Just because someone doesn't believe something doesn't mean it doesn't exist, KWIM?
Honestly? I think it has more to do with your family history. NO ONE in my family has EVER gone organic, ever. And not one person has ever had cancer. No one is autistic, etc. We aren't totally healthy, but with diseases like heart disease, you can link that to fatty food, etc, not to any type of organic food.
As for autism, I really think there is a plethora of reasons as to why there are more diagnoses, but we've all gone there before.
And honestly, how do you KNOW its organic, really? Because the store says it is? How do you know it isn't the same veggie as across the store, just with higher price tag and the word ORGANIC stamped on it?
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Re: OK...I am stepping in my flame retardant suit, but I need to ask a question about "going organic"
Posted by Porrruss
Even though there is no known definitive cause, I believe there is something in our environment that has a hand in the rising rate of autism diagnosis.
With this in mind, I am choosing to not feed my daughter foods that are loaded with preservatives, pesticides, or hormones.
ETA: this is only one of a multitude of reasons I have chosen to go organic with DD. Another is that I feel it is better for the environment to choose foods that are organic. My own way of going green I suppose.
ITA. Also, I recently was very ill and determined that my body became toxic from the foods I ate. Everyone has a threshold of what they can tolerate, and I reached my limit before the age of 30.
Also, if I have a choice of eating foods free of chemicals, pesticides, antibiotics and preservatives, then to me it makes more sense to choose the foods without them. JMHO.
No flames at all, everyone has to do what they feel is right for their child.
Also to respond to several posts (not just in this thread) that state "we ate it and we are fine..." the chemicals used now are stronger, and mixed with growth hormones and antibiotics have created new viruses, new forms of cancer and more aggressive antibodies.
Even cigarettes have more chemicals now than they did for the last generation.
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Re: OK...I am stepping in my flame retardant suit, but I need to ask a question about "going organic"
Posted by jules
Posted by Porrruss
I wanted to add.... and NO flames here please Kate.
But how do you KNOW that cancer isn't caused by the foods we eat? For example, it's been proven that red meat, especially overcooked is linked to colon cancer.
Just because someone doesn't believe something doesn't mean it doesn't exist, KWIM?
I do think there is a susceptibility that certain people have to getting cancer. That coupled with the toxins in our food, well that leads many people to increasing their risks of getting cancer.
Did that make sense?
absolutely. this is why some people smoke their whole lives and never get lung cancer, and other people never touch a cigarette and get lung cancer anyway. most cancers are a product of our genes interacting with our environment.
but since we don't always know what our genes hold, and we don't exactly know which environmental factors are most important, i guess we can only do our best to minimize our chances by cutting out potentially harmful exposures...
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Re: OK...I am stepping in my flame retardant suit, but I need to ask a question about "going organic"
Posted by KateDevine
Honestly? I think it has more to do with your family history. NO ONE in my family has EVER gone organic, ever. And not one person has ever had cancer. No one is autistic, etc. We aren't totally healthy, but with diseases like heart disease, you can link that to fatty food, etc, not to any type of organic food.
As for autism, I really think there is a plethora of reasons as to why there are more diagnoses, but we've all gone there before.
And honestly, how do you KNOW its organic, really? Because the store says it is? How do you know it isn't the same veggie as across the store, just with higher price tag and the word ORGANIC stamped on it?
But here I think you are making a valid point. IN YOUR family there is no history of cancer. So i think the RISK of someone in your family getting it is lower. But it doesn't mean it isn't there. For those that definitely have a strong history of cancer they are much more at risk by the things they do with their lives and bodies. Eating food that contain toxins, in my opinion, can and does directly effect their risk of getting cancer
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Re: OK...I am stepping in my flame retardant suit, but I need to ask a question about "going organic"
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Posted by Porrruss
I wanted to add.... and NO flames here please Kate.
But how do you KNOW that cancer isn't caused by the foods we eat? For example, it's been proven that red meat, especially overcooked is linked to colon cancer.
Just because someone doesn't believe something doesn't mean it doesn't exist, KWIM?
I do think there is a susceptibility that certain people have to getting cancer. That coupled with the toxins in our food, well that leads many people to increasing their risks of getting cancer.
Did that make sense?
absolutely. this is why some people smoke their whole lives and never get lung cancer, and other people never touch a cigarette and get lung cancer anyway. most cancers are a product of our genes interacting with our environment.
but since we don't always know what our genes hold, and we don't exactly know which environmental factors are most important, i guess we can only do our best to minimize our chances by cutting out potentially harmful exposures...
Exactly
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jules
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Re: OK...I am stepping in my flame retardant suit, but I need to ask a question about "going organic"
Ultimately i think it comes down to fear.
People want to protect themselves as best they can, knowing what they know about our environment and hour family history
I personally am going to continue to use J&J shampoo. But I am considering using organic food.
To each their own I guess
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dm24angel
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Re: OK...I am stepping in my flame retardant suit, but I need to ask a question about "going organic"
I understand your points totally and respect them..... I have been researching this a LOT and actually studies DO show many illnesses are a result of the additives and preservatives we have eaten.
I am 32 yrs old and have a myriad of health issues that I just think seem odd for my age...
I do think cancer is caused by a lot of envornomental links...food, air born products etc...
Like I said, Im not "buying into the hype" or anything..I read about this a LOT...and try to fully understand it.
I dont want my son injesting chemicals that are sprayed on vegtables no matter if its fully documented or not as to what it causes ya know?
The gerber foods have soooo many additives in them once you get past the stage 1 foods, it scares me, cause I dont know what that stuff is.
Things like meat....There was a recent recall on beef...the second largest beef company in the US..which delvers 98% of the public schools Beef was found to be harming animals and using SICK animals to make beef..and feeding it to our school kids! ( this was just LAST week)
I believe that theres a link here...BUT I respect those who dont. I think we really need to not judge each side and make our own educated decisions.
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Re: OK...I am stepping in my flame retardant suit, but I need to ask a question about "going organic"
Posted by dm24angel
I understand your points totally and respect them..... I have been researching this a LOT and actually studies DO show many illnesses are a result of the additives and preservatives we have eaten.
I am 32 yrs old and have a myriad of health issues that I just think seem odd for my age...
I do think cancer is caused by a lot of envornomental links...food, air born products etc...
Like I said, Im not "buying into the hype" or anything..I read about this a LOT...and try to fully understand it.
I dont want my son injesting chemicals that are sprayed on vegtables no matter if its fully documented or not as to what it causes ya know?
The gerber foods have soooo many additives in them once you get past the stage 1 foods, it scares me, cause I dont know what that stuff is.
Things like meat....There was a recent recall on beef...the second largest beef company in the US..which delvers 98% of the public schools Beef was found to be harming animals and using SICK animals to make beef..and feeding it to our school kids! ( this was just LAST week)
I believe that theres a link here...BUT I respect those who dont. I think we really need to not judge each side and make our own educated decisions.
I'm with Donna on this one 110%. Where I have NO problem with eating non-organic, I do believe there's a link to additives, preservatives, and chemicals put in our foods and sprayed on out fruits and vegetables with illnesses these days. What I try to do is look at the ingredients and if I can't pronounce them...do I really want that in my childs body? It scares the heck out of me what it put in food these days and I'm trying to make a big conscious effort to be aware of what I feed her and trying to make DH and I eat better.
I personally don't want to take any chances.
To each his own though! No one's in the right or wrong. Like OP have said, it's a VERY personal decision on my part.
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Re: OK...I am stepping in my flame retardant suit, but I need to ask a question about "going organic"
It's not for everyone and before having DS I thought the same way..."we all ate it growing up and we're fine" but now with DS I am very concerned about what I put into his body with not only food, but medications and shots. I got alot of great advice from girls on here who eat organic and also did alot of reading on it myself. I have slowly made the transition into buying more organic products. Although I dont buy everything exclusively organic, I pay more attention to the foods I feed DS. I try to buy him as many organic products as I can such as fruit and veggies that I feed him. I also bought Gerber's line or Earth's Best line or organic baby food. I also just started buying some of the organic meats b/c DS started eating table food. While organic products are a little more expensive, the difference isn't that much that it disuaded me from buying them. At first my husband and family though I was crazy (and they probably still do) but ultimately I am doing what I think is best for DS and for us.
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Re: OK...I am stepping in my flame retardant suit, but I need to ask a question about "going organic"
Posted by jellybean1420
It's not for everyone and before having DS I thought the same way..."we all ate it growing up and we're fine" but now with DS I am very concerned about what I put into his body with not only food, but medications and shots. I got alot of great advice from girls on here who eat organic and also did alot of reading on it myself. I have slowly made the transition into buying more organic products. Although I dont buy everything exclusively organic, I pay more attention to the foods I feed DS. I try to buy him as many organic products as I can such as fruit and veggies that I feed him. I also bought Gerber's line or Earth's Best line or organic baby food. I also just started buying some of the organic meats b/c DS started eating table food. While organic products are a little more expensive, the difference isn't that much that it disuaded me from buying them. At first my husband and family though I was crazy (and they probably still do) but ultimately I am doing what I think is best for DS and for us.
Well said 
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Re: OK...I am stepping in my flame retardant suit, but I need to ask a question about "going organic"
Not all cancer is caused by what we eat, obviously. But there has been a connection in some types of cancers and what is in some foods.
And to further prove that organic foods DO make a big difference, my mother in law was diagnosed with cancer a few years back. The Dr's said that her only hope was a long series of chemo treatments, which she didn't think she could handle. She found an herbologist who put her under his care, and he put her on a diet of STRICTLY organic fruits and vegetables, juiced. She could have nothing else, for about a year. SHe had to juice organic fruits and vegetables all day long, and drink them. After one year, she went back to her regular doctor, and they found NO trace of cancer whatsoever. So I have seen firsthand how organic stuff makes a difference.
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Re: OK...I am stepping in my flame retardant suit, but I need to ask a question about "going organic"
my sister is HEAVY into all this stuff.....
so did u all know that they are now passing a LAW that says if it is 80% organic, that they can put on the bag that it is organic??
i mean, 20% of chemicals and stuff is better than 100%, but now see...?? where people want to be organic, now they dont even know if they are...??!!!
gov't regulated stuff....
im not organic, but i do buy the meat and the milk with no added antibiotics and all that stuff- no hormones......
as far as fruits and veggies- to me im like, youre eating fruits and veggies for crying out loud, how can it be bad??
im not researched in anything about organic food and stuff...
i WILL let you in on a secret....from stop and shop- they use stuff to vacuum pack their meat!!! so it stays longer and they can sell it for a longer amount of time!!!
we stopped buying our meat from there- but their groceries are so cheap, we go their for that stuff, then head to king kullen for out meat....
thats just all...
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Re: OK...I am stepping in my flame retardant suit, but I need to ask a question about "going organic"
Posted by KateDevine
I guess I am from the old school mentality that we ate/drank WAY worse and we are fine. I don't really believe the connections between cancers, etc and certain products and food. Listen, my best friend died of cancer when we were 15, but it had nothing to do with what her parents fed her. I don't believe in that.
well for one, I don't believe we are fine.
There was no cancer in my family until my brother died at 24, I would love to ask him if he is fine.
I guess you could say we ate the same things and were exposed to the same things until about High School, after that who knows.
Food and products are not made the same as they were 35+ years ago
For ex, my grandmother, did not use nearly all the products we do. She washed with Ivory soap - thats it. Maybe Nozema. When you bought meat it was form the butcher, it was fresh and I believe back then they did not inject the animals with antibiotics or hormones as much or at all. We eat more processed foods, foods made up in a laboratory. Sure she had refrigeration, but you did not keep meats for months on end.
In fact when I look for Organic (which is regulated by the USDA but I question their standards as well) I take it a step further and look for Grass fed - most all animals are fed corn. Cows were never meant to eat corn, it makes them sick because they cannot digest it and thats one reason why they need drugs. All because corn is cheap. So by default we eat so much corn and corn has Zero nutritional value. I suggest this book, it was very well written -
The Omnivores Dilemna
Sorry for rambling, bottomline... I don't want to put unnecessary chemicals in my families bodies. I cannot say we are 100% but where ever I can and whatever I can change I do it. If I can put something on my skin that is soothing with only natural properties and not a paragraph full of made up man made chemicals I will use it. and trust me I was the post child for "product" until I started pay attention and learning. People would ask what it was that made me smell so good, I couldn't tell you. It was either my shampoo, conditioner, soap, hairspray, body lotion, perfume, detergent/fabric softer, deodorant, etc. Think of all the stuff you put on your skin, which absorbs everything!
ok thats it, sorry!  
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Re: OK...I am stepping in my flame retardant suit, but I need to ask a question about "going organic"
So many great points but I don't want to quote all. We are making an effort to go organic. I actually started when I was pregnant with DD. I couldn't stand the thought of ingesting the pesticides and hormones anymore let alone pass them to her.
I also have some unexplained health issues and feel that all the changes to our foods, etc. over the years could have and still be affecting it.
I do sometimes wonder about the validity of some products. I do like to buy some at Whole Foods because I just trust them more.
To each his own and whatever decision you make is the right one for you.
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Re: OK...I am stepping in my flame retardant suit, but I need to ask a question about "going organic"
Posted by sumlynmad
as far as fruits and veggies- to me im like, youre eating fruits and veggies for crying out loud, how can it be bad??
I feel that its bad b/c of all the pesticides used.
A book I was reading ( bestseller, not some crazy ole go organic book) said that one test showed a mixture of 23 different chemicals used on one little carrot...
Now over the years that stuff is building and building up in our systems...
Also, what do you think they put on them to keep the animals away from crops? poisons....
Some feel that if washed, then the veggies and fruits are fine..I dont take the chance...
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Re: OK...I am stepping in my flame retardant suit, but I need to ask a question about "going organic"
Posted by Karebaby
Not all cancer is caused by what we eat, obviously. But there has been a connection in some types of cancers and what is in some foods.
And to further prove that organic foods DO make a big difference, my mother in law was diagnosed with cancer a few years back. The Dr's said that her only hope was a long series of chemo treatments, which she didn't think she could handle. She found an herbologist who put her under his care, and he put her on a diet of STRICTLY organic fruits and vegetables, juiced. She could have nothing else, for about a year. SHe had to juice organic fruits and vegetables all day long, and drink them. After one year, she went back to her regular doctor, and they found NO trace of cancer whatsoever. So I have seen firsthand how organic stuff makes a difference.
I think its wonderful that your MIL is cancer free...
But to play devils advocate for a minute...many people who forgo chemo to go under the directions of an herbologist do NOT have the same results as your MIL unfortunately.
There is a chance that had she just had chemo she would have been cancer free....or if the fruits and veggies were non-organic she would be cancer free...
There are many "what ifs" in this scenario...and while she is healed, I wouldn't necessarily recommend that a member of my family go that route...I would definitely go with the chemo before I'd take a chance at herbs only!
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