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Re: NY state lawmakers reject gay marriage bill
Posted by tatuka
Posted by Beaver2be
It disgusts me that we live in a time where there are so many ignorant people.
Such a sad day 
I guess some people are just ignorant including me . Don't get me wrong. I have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING against gay people (and anyone who knows me knows this). But I 'm just not for gay marriage, sorry.
(and in my head I'm thinking : I am going to get sooooo flamed for posting this  )
so what is the answer? If you have "nothing against" gay people, then why are you opposed to them being joined legally by the state (not the church but the state)
Just curious, feel free not to answer
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Re: NY state lawmakers reject gay marriage bill
Posted by tatuka
Posted by Beaver2be
It disgusts me that we live in a time where there are so many ignorant people.
Such a sad day
I guess some people are just ignorant including me . Don't get me wrong. I have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING against gay people (and anyone who knows me knows this). But I 'm just not for gay marriage, sorry.
(and in my head I'm thinking : I am going to get sooooo flamed for posting this )
I'm sorry I'm not trying to be rude, but it is ignorant. I just can't understand WHY this should even be an issue. Why people have a problem with 2 individuals who want to get married? WHO CARES IF THEY ARE THE SAME SEX??? If they have respect & love each other - than why not?
They'd probably have better odds of staying married longer than a man/woman couple in todays day and age.
All the infedelity & divorce in our generation, WE should all be ashamed, for taking advantage of the fact that we were ABLE to marry our spouses. Instead, the divorce rate in this country is ONE of the highest in the world.
Maybe if we were ALL told NO - you can't marry him or her because you come from different religious/ethnic backgrounds or other ridiculous excuses - than we'd fight harder to have the right to marry the person we love.
I just don't understand where people can get off saying they have no right to get married? WHY????
They bleed red like you and me? So why shouldn't they be allowed to spend their lives with the one they love, their soul mate?
I have friends who are gay - and it breaks my heart to see two people so in love & not be able to get married because people feel its "wrong" - wrong for who?????????? 
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Re: NY state lawmakers reject gay marriage bill
Posted by BJandDan
I like cafepress' shirt.... If you don't agree with gay marriages, don't have one. More people should realize it is not their business!
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Re: NY state lawmakers reject gay marriage bill
Posted by tatuka
Posted by Beaver2be
It disgusts me that we live in a time where there are so many ignorant people.
Such a sad day
I guess some people are just ignorant including me . Don't get me wrong. I have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING against gay people (and anyone who knows me knows this). But I 'm just not for gay marriage, sorry.
(and in my head I'm thinking : I am going to get sooooo flamed for posting this )
You will get flamed bc it is like saying...I like___(insert minority here)____ but I just don't want them marrying into my family.
It is ignorant.
It is discriminatory.
It is 2009 and it is unbelievable that people still think this way.
I will give you credit for being brave enough to voice your opinion, bc obvously since it is NOT passing in NY there are people who still think like this...
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Re: NY state lawmakers reject gay marriage bill
Posted by Beaver2be
Posted by tatuka
Posted by Beaver2be
It disgusts me that we live in a time where there are so many ignorant people.
Such a sad day
I guess some people are just ignorant including me . Don't get me wrong. I have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING against gay people (and anyone who knows me knows this). But I 'm just not for gay marriage, sorry.
(and in my head I'm thinking : I am going to get sooooo flamed for posting this )
I'm sorry I'm not trying to be rude, but it is ignorant. I just can't understand WHY this should even be an issue. Why people have a problem with 2 individuals who want to get married? WHO CARES IF THEY ARE THE SAME SEX??? If they have respect & love each other - than why not?
They'd probably have better odds of staying married longer than a man/woman couple in todays day and age.
All the infedelity & divorce in our generation, WE should all be ashamed, for taking advantage of the fact that we were ABLE to marry our spouses. Instead, the divorce rate in this country is ONE of the highest in the world.
Maybe if we were ALL told NO - you can't marry him or her because you come from different religious/ethnic backgrounds or other ridiculous excuses - than we'd fight harder to have the right to marry the person we love.
I just don't understand where people can get off saying they have no right to get married? WHY????
They bleed red like you and me? So why shouldn't they be allowed to spend their lives with the one they love, their soul mate?
I have friends who are gay - and it breaks my heart to see two people so in love & not be able to get married because people feel its "wrong" - wrong for who??????????
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Re: NY state lawmakers reject gay marriage bill
I don't think there is any need to justify they way you feel about an issue. You are entitled to feel any way you want about any issues you want.
But feelings shouldn't dictate legislative measures. Those should be based on fair and equitable practices.
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Re: NY state lawmakers reject gay marriage bill
But feelings shouldn't dictate legislative measures. Those should be based on fair and equitable practices.
Religion and state are SEPARATE or aren't they 
It is for religious reasons that people oppose gay marriage.
One has nothing to do with the other.
No one is asking to get married in a church or synagogue or fill in your place of worship.
People are asking for a LEGAL UNION which in this country is called marriage.
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Re: NY state lawmakers reject gay marriage bill
Posted by shamrock124
But feelings shouldn't dictate legislative measures. Those should be based on fair and equitable practices.
BINGO!
Like BJ (and cafepress) said - if you don't like gay marriage, don't marry a gay person.
Everyone is entitled to their feelings. But that doesn't mean that you can force your feelings on someone else. And by refusing to allow homosexuals to get married that is EXACTLY what the lawmakers are doing.
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Re: NY state lawmakers reject gay marriage bill
Posted by Grill
It embarrasses and saddens me that we live in such ignorant times. Many people feel that gays should be legally entitled to the same rights, but that it shouldn't be called a marriage. And to those folks, I would ask them to remember the "Separate Yet Equal" scenario that segregated whites and blacks. It's still a form of discrimination. And to those that just flat out contest their right to live a life of love and legal entitlements, I am speechless. I hope that NY does the right thing in the end. It's rather pathetic that it has even become a topic for public debate.
Completely agree with this.
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Re: NY state lawmakers reject gay marriage bill
Disgusting. And NY of all places? I really don't get it.
Imagine how much revenue would be brought to NY if same sex marriages were legal.
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Re: NY state lawmakers reject gay marriage bill
Posted by smdl
Posted by tatuka
Posted by Beaver2be
It disgusts me that we live in a time where there are so many ignorant people.
Such a sad day
I guess some people are just ignorant including me . Don't get me wrong. I have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING against gay people (and anyone who knows me knows this). But I 'm just not for gay marriage, sorry.
(and in my head I'm thinking : I am going to get sooooo flamed for posting this )
I feel the same.
But don't worry... you will have TONS of posters asking you over and over WHY and WHY NOT alll day! Because if you don't feel like others, you MUST justify over and over why you don't.
If you feel strongly enough about a subject to form an opinion, why wouldn't you feel comfortable defending your point of view? I am not asking you to do so, just can't understand why it is wrong to expect someone to explain why they have a specific opinion on a subject.
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Re: NY state lawmakers reject gay marriage bill
Posted by dita
Disgusting. And NY of all places? I really don't get it.
I thought all the no votes would be republicans from upsate, but there were at least 2 senators from Queens who voted no & a few democrats, too.
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Re: NY state lawmakers reject gay marriage bill
Posted by smdl
Posted by tatuka
Posted by Beaver2be
It disgusts me that we live in a time where there are so many ignorant people.
Such a sad day
I guess some people are just ignorant including me . Don't get me wrong. I have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING against gay people (and anyone who knows me knows this). But I 'm just not for gay marriage, sorry.
(and in my head I'm thinking : I am going to get sooooo flamed for posting this )
I feel the same.
But don't worry... you will have TONS of posters asking you over and over WHY and WHY NOT alll day! Because if you don't feel like others, you MUST justify over and over why you don't.
I guess unless I agree with everyone else I must be wrong and /or ignorant.
Oh well...
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Re: NY state lawmakers reject gay marriage bill
Posted by pinkandblue
Posted by tatuka
Posted by Beaver2be
It disgusts me that we live in a time where there are so many ignorant people.
Such a sad day
I guess some people are just ignorant including me . Don't get me wrong. I have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING against gay people (and anyone who knows me knows this). But I 'm just not for gay marriage, sorry.
(and in my head I'm thinking : I am going to get sooooo flamed for posting this )
so what is the answer? If you have "nothing against" gay people, then why are you opposed to them being joined legally by the state (not the church but the state)
Just curious, feel free not to answer
I think the issue with many people being against gay marriage is the actual word "marriage". Marriage is a sacrament which according to religion is the union between a man and a woman.
If you want gays to have similar government rights, they shouldn't be calling it marriage. Call it civil union, or whatever you want to call it.
I personally dont care either way on the subject. I am just giving a perspective from the other side as to why this is getting shot down.
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headoverheels
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Re: NY state lawmakers reject gay marriage bill
Posted by ave1024
Posted by pinkandblue
Posted by tatuka
Posted by Beaver2be
It disgusts me that we live in a time where there are so many ignorant people.
Such a sad day
I guess some people are just ignorant including me . Don't get me wrong. I have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING against gay people (and anyone who knows me knows this). But I 'm just not for gay marriage, sorry.
(and in my head I'm thinking : I am going to get sooooo flamed for posting this )
so what is the answer? If you have "nothing against" gay people, then why are you opposed to them being joined legally by the state (not the church but the state)
Just curious, feel free not to answer
I think the issue with many people being against gay marriage is the actual word "marriage". Marriage is a sacrament which according to religion is the union between a man and a woman.
If you want gays to have similar government rights, they shouldn't be calling it marriage. Call it civil union, or whatever you want to call it.
I personally dont care either way on the subject. I am just giving a perspective from the other side as to why this is getting shot down.
In that case I do understand it - but unless the word or the idea originated in the Bible itself I do not agree.
For all we know, the concept of marriage existed thousands of years before any kind of religion, Jewish, Christian, Pagan or otherwise, was even a thought in people's minds. So the idea that marriage is a religious sacrament doesn't really hold any water, IMO.
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Re: NY state lawmakers reject gay marriage bill
On my certificate issued from Queens County (which btw is seperate from the Church I got married in) they call our union "Marriage".....
Maybe the state shouldn't have used the same word as the Church and we wouldnt have this issue
I dont buy that "I don't like the wording of it" BS...
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ave1024
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Re: NY state lawmakers reject gay marriage bill
For all we know, the concept of marriage existed thousands of years before any kind of religion, Jewish, Christian, Pagan or otherwise, was even a thought in people's minds. So the idea that marriage is a religious sacrament doesn't really hold any water, IMO.
Well I am only somewhat familar with the bible, but doesn't it explicitly say in the bible that the sacrament of Marriage is to be between a man and a woman?
I don't think there would be as much of an issue if they would just rename the bill and call it "Civil Union". But it's the gays that want it called Marriage and that is where the opposition is being met.
Plus in regards to your comment saying that "marriage as a sacrament really doesn't hold any water" is sort of a smack in the face to somebody that practices that religion as that knocks the very basis of their faith.
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headoverheels
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Re: NY state lawmakers reject gay marriage bill
Posted by ave1024
For all we know, the concept of marriage existed thousands of years before any kind of religion, Jewish, Christian, Pagan or otherwise, was even a thought in people's minds. So the idea that marriage is a religious sacrament doesn't really hold any water, IMO.
Well I am only somewhat familar with the bible, but doesn't it explicitly say in the bible that the sacrament of Marriage is to be between a man and a woman?
I don't think there would be as much of an issue if they would just rename the bill and call it "Civil Union". But it's the gays that want it called Marriage and that is where the opposition is being met.
I honestly don't know. From what I have been able to google search  marriage existed way before Christ and Christianity, so it's a "stolen" concept so to speak.
I do agree that the issue would garner more support if it were called a "Civil Union" but the fact of the matter is that it really makes no sense to say you can be married but you can't call it marriage
Posted by ave1024
Plus in regards to your comment saying that "marriage as a sacrament really doesn't hold any water" is sort of a smack in the face to somebody that practices that religion as that knocks the very basis of their faith.
Okay, maybe I worded that wrong - I only meant to say that marriage exists between couples that are not religious as well (like me and my DH for example). We have a marriage and were married by an official, but to us it's not a "sacrament."
IMO, if marriage is a religioius sacrament, and that is why gays are being denied that right, then my DH and I should have been denied that right as well.
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Re: NY state lawmakers reject gay marriage bill
Who knows. This is a complex subject that already gets a rise from people because it involves the separation of church and state.
I am just lucky to not really have a strong enough opinion on the subject to drive myself crazy over it.
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Re: NY state lawmakers reject gay marriage bill
Posted by cjik
Posted by Grill
It embarrasses and saddens me that we live in such ignorant times. Many people feel that gays should be legally entitled to the same rights, but that it shouldn't be called a marriage. And to those folks, I would ask them to remember the "Separate Yet Equal" scenario that segregated whites and blacks. It's still a form of discrimination. And to those that just flat out contest their right to live a life of love and legal entitlements, I am speechless. I hope that NY does the right thing in the end. It's rather pathetic that it has even become a topic for public debate.
ITA. We watched "Milk" the other night, and it saddened me to think that the gay rights movement really hasn't moved so far from that time. Yes, things are better in some respects, but some very basic rights available to other Americans are not to them, and I just do not understand how this is even legal under our Constitution.
And I do not for the life of me understand the arguement that gay marriage threatens the institution of marriage. Wouldn't people wanting to get married be a GOOD thing?
Sad, sad, sad.
marriage is a religious institution. there are many religions that feel being gay is a "sin". it's a sin in the bible, etc.
civil unions on the other hand (which is what anyone that gets "married" at city hall really has, should be afforded to any couple that goes to City Hall with their $35 bucks and rings.
I think in some respects it's a question of semantics.
and I agree..it ain't nobody else's business who someone marries, as long as they are legal, consenting adults.
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Beaver2be, I agree 1000% with what you said (not quoting for brevity's sake  )
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Ophelia
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Re: NY state lawmakers reject gay marriage bill
Posted by headoverheels
Posted by ave1024
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IMO, if marriage is a religioius sacrament, and that is why gays are being denied that right, then my DH and I should have been denied that right as well.
if this is true and you were married by a clergy person of any kind, it just makes you guys hypocrits in the eyes of the church.
marriage couldn't really exist before organized govt and religion began. that doesn't really make sense, since it purely serves to sanctify a union.
before that, people were just shaking up. doesn't mean they were any less committed.
after that, they had to get permission from SOMEONE. the lord of the lands, the parents...the head caveman in charge...you get the idea.
and besides, regardless of what was done prior to organized religion, marriage the way the world knows it is a religious event. with pomp and circumstance and all that.
although, I do heart Sting's version myself.
The Secret Marriage"
No earthly church has ever blessed our union
No state has ever granted us permission
No family bond has ever made us two
No company has ever earned commission
No debt was paid no dowry to be gained
No treaty over border land or power
No semblance of the world outside remained
To stain the beauty of this nuptial hour
The secret marriage vow is never spoken
The secret marriage never can be broken
No flowers on the alter
No white veil in your hair
No maiden dress to alter
No bible oath to swear
The secret marriage vow is never spoken
The secret marriage never can be broken
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Re: NY state lawmakers reject gay marriage bill
Posted by headoverheels
I honestly don't know. From what I have been able to google search marriage existed way before Christ and Christianity, so it's a "stolen" concept so to speak.
I do agree that the issue would garner more support if it were called a "Civil Union" but the fact of the matter is that it really makes no sense to say you can be married but you can't call it marriage
I forgot what history documentary I was watching but it said the origins of marriage come from the need to establish and prove paternity - marriage gave a man the right to claim a child.
It doesn't have anything to do with this but I thought it was an interesting little tidbit.
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LoriH
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Re: NY state lawmakers reject gay marriage bill
Posted by headoverheels
I honestly don't know. From what I have been able to google search marriage existed way before Christ and Christianity, so it's a "stolen" concept so to speak.
Totally off subject but much of religion overlaps into other religions and has been "borrowed" from mythology. There are a few good books that show this, one is Parallel Myths by J.F Bierlein.
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Re: NY state lawmakers reject gay marriage bill
Posted by Ophelia
marriage is a religious institution. there are many religions that feel being gay is a "sin". it's a sin in the bible, etc.
civil unions on the other hand (which is what anyone that gets "married" at city hall really has, should be afforded to any couple that goes to City Hall with their $35 bucks and rings.
I think in some respects it's a question of semantics.
and I agree..it ain't nobody else's business who someone marries, as long as they are legal, consenting adults.
Our certificate from city hall says "Marriage Certificate".
The sacrament of our marriage took place in a Catholic Church.
The State would need to make all "marriages" "civil unions" in order to separate and clarify.
As it stands Marriage is both religious and civil.
ETA: If the state wants to take out the religious connation of "marriage" call ALL unions civil (hetero or homosexual).
It is discriminatory IMO to call one marriage and one union.
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