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beena
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No more Prom...
at Kellenberg H.S. - thats where I went.
Sounds like the parents are going to organize a Prom for them...
I saw it in Channel 12 News.
The one the parents organize will probably be even better than the school run one
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Ambersmom
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Re: No more Prom...
I went to St. Agnes/Kellenberg when it was in transition with the brothers (back in 1987)...Did they say why they're doing away with the prom?
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| Posted 9/29/05 7:36 PM |
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Luvlylady
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Re: No more Prom...
I saw that on News 12 today!
Where were their proms held?
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| Posted 9/29/05 7:37 PM |
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LBG30
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Re: No more Prom...
I saw this also on Channel 12 this morning.
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| Posted 9/29/05 7:57 PM |
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saraH
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Posted by beena
at Kellenberg H.S. - thats where I went.
Sounds like the parents are going to organize a Prom for them...
I saw it in Channel 12 News.
The one the parents organize will probably be even better than the school run one
i went there too, graduated in 93.
i'm surprised about the prom, though.
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| Posted 9/29/05 8:09 PM |
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CathyB
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I saw something about this on the news. Let me find it on Channel 7 site...
But the school's principal says the prom has gotten out of control, telling parents in a letter " ... KMHS is willing to sponsor a prom, but not an orgy ...Over the years, parents have become more active in creating the "prom experience," from personally signing for houses for a three day drug/sex/alcohol bash, to mothers making motel reservations for their sons and daughters for after prom get-togethers, to fathers signing the contract for Captain Jim's booze-cruise out of Huntington for an after prom adventure ... Some have expressed the view that it is better to lose one's virginity and get drunk before going to college, so that parents can be around to help."
Brother Kenneth Hoagland, S.M., Principal, Kellenberg Memorial H.S.: "We're not naive, we're not putting our head in the sand - we're quite aware of the pandora's box being opened. Our letter is simply saying 'we're not sponsoring the event that allows all this to happen."
Here's a link to the letter the princial sent out to all the parents. Letter
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| Posted 9/29/05 8:35 PM |
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Ambersmom
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Posted by sarahsmommy
I saw something about this on the news. Let me find it on Channel 7 site...
But the school's principal says the prom has gotten out of control, telling parents in a letter " ... KMHS is willing to sponsor a prom, but not an orgy ...Over the years, parents have become more active in creating the "prom experience," from personally signing for houses for a three day drug/sex/alcohol bash, to mothers making motel reservations for their sons and daughters for after prom get-togethers, to fathers signing the contract for Captain Jim's booze-cruise out of Huntington for an after prom adventure ... Some have expressed the view that it is better to lose one's virginity and get drunk before going to college, so that parents can be around to help."
Brother Kenneth Hoagland, S.M., Principal, Kellenberg Memorial H.S.: "We're not naive, we're not putting our head in the sand - we're quite aware of the pandora's box being opened. Our letter is simply saying 'we're not sponsoring the event that allows all this to happen."
Here's a link to the letter the princial sent out to all the parents. Letter
From the perspective that it's a religious school, I can definitely see them not sanctioning such activities...how sad that the parents are so liberal nowadays. I thought I was in the bigtime when we got to ride around in the limo all night and hang out at Long Beach
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| Posted 9/29/05 9:13 PM |
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beena
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Gina
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Re: No more Prom...
wow.. the letter does make alot of sense..
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| Posted 9/29/05 9:17 PM |
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mrsmck
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What a great letter!
Kudos to the principal and vice principal!!!
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| Posted 9/30/05 10:38 AM |
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nylisa
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My niece just started there. I guess she will never have a prom either.
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| Posted 9/30/05 10:40 AM |
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Boobobunny
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I wouldn't want my son to go to a prom like the one descibed....i'm not stupid kids are going to do certain things....but I am not going to look the other way or help them get into hotels or access to alcohol
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| Posted 9/30/05 11:31 AM |
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CunningOne
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Posted by ambersmom
I went to St. Agnes/Kellenberg when it was in transition with the brothers (back in 1987)...Did they say why they're doing away with the prom?
So did my brother, he graduated in 1990.
But being a graduate of an all girls Catholic HS, I kind of agree with the principal (OMG, am I getting old and proper or what!).
I do believe the kids will have a prom of their own, and I think that is fine, but if that's the type of stuff going on, them I think the school has every right not to have their name attached to it.
Message edited 9/30/2005 11:38:41 AM.
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| Posted 9/30/05 11:35 AM |
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LFitzy79
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Re: No more Prom...
The thing is, what the principal is talking about is the stuff that goes on AFTER prom. The kids can stay at a beach house, or go to motels any weekend.
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| Posted 9/30/05 12:40 PM |
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saraH
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Posted by LFitzy79
The thing is, what the principal is talking about is the stuff that goes on AFTER prom. The kids can stay at a beach house, or go to motels any weekend.
but i think the point is that it reflects badly on the school and they don't want to be responsible for whatever may happen before, during or after prom.
i'm quite surprised it took them this long to cancel. when i was a senior we'd hear talk of cancelling, just b/c we were the most obnoxious class that school had ever seen.
i'm not really sure its the right decision, but i think i'd feel differently if i was still a hs senior
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| Posted 9/30/05 12:44 PM |
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CathyB
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Posted by sarahsmommy
Some have expressed the view that it is better to lose one's virginity and get drunk before going to college, so that parents can be around to help."
This is what disturbed me the most. Have things changed that much? I'm not that old, but my brother and I worked pretty hard to HIDE this stuff from our parents. I can't imagine talking about it with my parents. I still get all weirded out when either of my parents mention s e x and I have a baby so OBVIOUSLY it's happened.
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| Posted 9/30/05 12:47 PM |
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LFitzy79
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Re: No more Prom...
Posted by BNL2005
Posted by LFitzy79
The thing is, what the principal is talking about is the stuff that goes on AFTER prom. The kids can stay at a beach house, or go to motels any weekend.
but i think the point is that it reflects badly on the school and they don't want to be responsible for whatever may happen before, during or after prom.
i'm quite surprised it took them this long to cancel. when i was a senior we'd hear talk of cancelling, just b/c we were the most obnoxious class that school had ever seen.
i'm not really sure its the right decision, but i think i'd feel differently if i was still a hs senior
the problem with this, is that now they have privatized it. A group will get together to organize a privately sponsored prom. Now, what happens to the kids that aren't in the "in" crowd? Will they be invited to participate in that private prom?
I understand that they don't want to be responsible for promoting such behavior--but I think there was a middle ground here that they didn't reach.
JMHO
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dpli
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Re: No more Prom...
Posted by LFitzy79
The thing is, what the principal is talking about is the stuff that goes on AFTER prom. The kids can stay at a beach house, or go to motels any weekend.
Right, but he is also saying the prom is the central event around which all these after parties are scheduled.
While reading that letter, I was waiting for the sweet 16 topic to come up as well.....
Also, if you read the whole thing, it seems like they have tried to reach some sort of middle ground without success.
Message edited 9/30/2005 12:50:12 PM.
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saraH
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Re: No more Prom...
Posted by LFitzy79
Posted by BNL2005
Posted by LFitzy79
The thing is, what the principal is talking about is the stuff that goes on AFTER prom. The kids can stay at a beach house, or go to motels any weekend.
but i think the point is that it reflects badly on the school and they don't want to be responsible for whatever may happen before, during or after prom.
i'm quite surprised it took them this long to cancel. when i was a senior we'd hear talk of cancelling, just b/c we were the most obnoxious class that school had ever seen.
i'm not really sure its the right decision, but i think i'd feel differently if i was still a hs senior
the problem with this, is that now they have privatized it. A group will get together to organize a privately sponsored prom. Now, what happens to the kids that aren't in the "in" crowd? Will they be invited to participate in that private prom?
I understand that they don't want to be responsible for promoting such behavior--but I think there was a middle ground here that they didn't reach.
JMHO
i agree, i'm not arguing w/you.
as far as the private proms, there will most likely be more then one. each group will get together and have it somewhere i'm sure
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LFitzy79
can hardly wait
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Re: No more Prom...
Posted by dpli
Posted by LFitzy79
The thing is, what the principal is talking about is the stuff that goes on AFTER prom. The kids can stay at a beach house, or go to motels any weekend.
Right, but he is also saying the prom is the central event around which all these after parties are scheduled.
While reading that letter, I was waiting for the sweet 16 topic to come up as well.....
Also, if you read the whole thing, it seems like they have tried to reach some sort of middle ground without success.
It's like cancelling home coming because you think it'll stop kids from toilet papering eachothers houses--it doesn't work, they still know when the first home game is--just like they still know where the hampton houses are, and what liquor store doesn't card. I don't know.
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| Posted 9/30/05 12:51 PM |
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saraH
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i honestly think, in this case, the school has the best of intentions. they see there is a problem and rather then threaten and such, they are just cancelling the prom. maybe other schools will follow, who knows.
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| Posted 9/30/05 12:54 PM |
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Sassyz75
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Re: No more Prom...
Posted by LFitzy79
The thing is, what the principal is talking about is the stuff that goes on AFTER prom. The kids can stay at a beach house, or go to motels any weekend.
IMO he was talking about the overall culture of prom and how the money is spent and that it is boastful and vain and really un-Christian.. and for a Christian school- I agree.. it is vile behavior and not how we create functioning and healthy adults... I'd pull it and if there were a private prom I certainly wouldn't let my child attend.
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dpli
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Posted by LFitzy79
It's like cancelling home coming because you think it'll stop kids from toilet papering eachothers houses--it doesn't work, they still know when the first home game is--just like they still know where the hampton houses are, and what liquor store doesn't card.
I understand your reasoning, but remembering my own prom experience.....My friends and I had a limo, went into the city afterwards and stayed out at a club most of the night, then back to a friend's house for breakfast. My mom knew where I was the whole time, and there was drinking involved (the drinking age at that time was only 19) but there is no way in heck she would have allowed me to do that any other weekend of my HS career. She may have also been a little naive about the drinking part. The limo company did NOT allow us to bring alcohol in the car, since they didn't want to be liable. I knew other kids who were able to, but the parents did not provide it - they made a stop before the prom.
I agree with his points about how the parents have not only not been able to set limits for the students, but they actually encourage and schedule the stuff in the name of "prom weekend" I think there is a big difference, JMO.
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saraH
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Re: No more Prom...
Posted by Sassyz75
Posted by LFitzy79
The thing is, what the principal is talking about is the stuff that goes on AFTER prom. The kids can stay at a beach house, or go to motels any weekend.
IMO he was talking about the overall culture of prom and how the money is spent and that it is boastful and vain and really un-Christian.. and for a Christian school- I agree.. it is vile behavior and not how we create functioning and healthy adults... I'd pull it and if there were a private prom I certainly wouldn't let my child attend.
at first, when i read this i was annoyed, but now i agree. they should hold themselves to better standards. just b/c they are kids, doesn't mean they should act like it.
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| Posted 9/30/05 12:57 PM |
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LFitzy79
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Re: No more Prom...
Posted by dpli
Posted by LFitzy79
It's like cancelling home coming because you think it'll stop kids from toilet papering eachothers houses--it doesn't work, they still know when the first home game is--just like they still know where the hampton houses are, and what liquor store doesn't card.
I understand your reasoning, but remembering my own prom experience.....My friends and I had a limo, went into the city afterwards and stayed out at a club most of the night, then back to a friend's house for breakfast. My mom knew where I was the whole time, and there was drinking involved (the drinking age at that time was only 19) but there is no way in heck she would have allowed me to do that any other weekend of my HS career. She may have also been a little naive about the drinking part. The limo company did NOT allow us to bring alcohol in the car, since they didn't want to be liable. I knew other kids who were able to, but the parents did not provide it - they made a stop before the prom.
I agree with his points about how the parents have not only not been able to set limits for the students, but they actually encourage and schedule the stuff in the name of "prom weekend" I think there is a big difference, JMO.
The last prom I went to was 8 years ago. Maybe I'm just too close to it to see it from the parental side. I'd feel as though I were betrayed by my alma mater that they chose not to make mention of it until a parent made an inquiry.
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| Posted 9/30/05 1:07 PM |
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Shelly
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Did you ever think a Catholic school would write a letter with "orgy" in it??
I understand what the school is saying- and its hard to disagree. If someone got into an accident/raped/murdered after the prom, the school would be sued- they would probably get out of the case, but a parent woudl blame the school for not supervising enough and being aware that people were drinking/drunk at the prom. So why not protect themselves?
The letter is mainly a pretty harsh attack on the parents- which is something I can understand. Parents do need to be more responsible for their kids actions- I can't believe that parents would rent hotel rooms for the teenage kids- but it happens. And it probably happens more frequently than we think. 
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