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Re: More priest molestation charges
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There's even a movement among some Catholics to let priests marry and have familys, since it's not "The Word of God" that dictates they be celibate, it was a Vatican I mandate to help the priests "focus on the vocation."
This is a prime example of what I mean!
good job!
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Re: More priest molestation charges
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sorry to be harsh, but this is a sore subject
Not harsh.
I am very happy with my religion, not happy with "administration" and "adaptation".
I understand its a sore subject, but its also a personal decision.
We could go back and forth all day...in the end, its just a personal decision. I do what's best for me, you do what's best for you. We'd never get anywhere duking it out.
true that
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I don't know about that- if i was denied sexual contact with a man I'd sure as hell be frustrated, but I would never reach for a child.  I think something is mentally wrong with them, to desire kids.
Being able to marry might entice some men who were thinking of the preisthood, but wanted a wife and family, but I don't think it solves the pedophilia problem.
I don;t know either, I could never fathom the thought of sexual contact w/ a child but I think these men have so much access to children just like any other pedophile. I don't know what the answer to this is, it is a huge problem. But there are problems in any denomination. It's def. a touchy subject. 
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Re: More priest molestation charges
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Posted by sarahsmommy
There's even a movement among some Catholics to let priests marry and have familys, since it's not "The Word of God" that dictates they be celibate, it was a Vatican I mandate to help the priests "focus on the vocation."
This is a prime example of what I mean!
good job!
you have your facts a little mixed up
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Re: More priest molestation charges
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Posted by sarahsmommy
There's even a movement among some Catholics to let priests marry and have familys, since it's not "The Word of God" that dictates they be celibate, it was a Vatican I mandate to help the priests "focus on the vocation."
This is a prime example of what I mean!
good job!
you have your facts a little mixed up
really?
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Re: More priest molestation charges
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I have a question... the Catholic church fully supports their preists, right? housing, clothing, expenses. Do the Protestant churches support their preists the same way? And if they have families, does the financial support extend to them, too?
Yes, I am a Protestant and it works the same way. The church provides housing & salary for the pastors.
However, I know of a few pastors that had to take on other jobs because the cost of living in the Northeast is so expensive.
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Re: More priest molestation charges
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Posted by baghag
I have a question... the Catholic church fully supports their preists, right? housing, clothing, expenses. Do the Protestant churches support their preists the same way? And if they have families, does the financial support extend to them, too?
Yes, I am a Protestant and it works the same way. The church provides housing & salary for the pastors.
However, I know of a few pastors that had to take on other jobs because the cost of living in the Northeast is so expensive.
Do the families live in the home provided by the Church too?
Btw- thanks for the info!
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Re: More priest molestation charges
PBS has an article about this issue.
Here It is.
Pedophilia & Priests
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Quote from article:
Dr. RICHARD SIPE: The Church has responded very defensively against accusations or allegations of priest sexual abuse. Because what is most prominent in the Roman Catholic Church is to avoid scandal. Every cardinal, when he is created, takes a vow to the pope, and part of that vow to the pope is to keep secret anything that has been confided to him that, if revealed, would cause scandal or harm to the Church.
I had no idea about this rule. 
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I worked in a parish for a short while and saw this first hand. The vow of obedience to the bishop and the church was more important than seeking justice for both financial and molestation charges. It was very disheartening.
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Re: More priest molestation charges
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Posted by sarahsmommy
There's even a movement among some Catholics to let priests marry and have familys, since it's not "The Word of God" that dictates they be celibate, it was a Vatican I mandate to help the priests "focus on the vocation."
This is a prime example of what I mean!
good job!
you have your facts a little mixed up
really?
the debate whether or not priests should marry is PARTLY due to biblical interpretation, like you said
However, the main part of the debate is the legal issues involved. The Catholic Church takes care of the priests financially. If you start letting priests marry, you'll undoubtedly begin to get involved with divorces, families, estates, and all of that stuff. The Church doesn't want to be financially responsible for people outside of the priests.
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Re: More priest molestation charges
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Posted by LadyLainez
Posted by baghag
I have a question... the Catholic church fully supports their preists, right? housing, clothing, expenses. Do the Protestant churches support their preists the same way? And if they have families, does the financial support extend to them, too?
Yes, I am a Protestant and it works the same way. The church provides housing & salary for the pastors.
However, I know of a few pastors that had to take on other jobs because the cost of living in the Northeast is so expensive.
Do the families live in the home provided by the Church too?
Btw- thanks for the info!
Sometimes the church has a parsonage (a house that they let the pastor and his family live in), sometimes they do not. I know of a few pastors that live with their families in a rented house because there is no parsonage and the housing market on LI as well as the whole Northeast in general is insane. The church pays them a salary and the pay rent out of that salary. The pastors I know are very passionate about heir work and could care less where they live. IMO, I find it very commendable.
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Re: More priest molestation charges
Posted by CaptainCharisma424
the debate whether or not priests should marry is PARTLY due to biblical interpretation, like you said
However, the main part of the debate is the legal issues involved. The Catholic Church takes care of the priests financially. If you start letting priests marry, you'll undoubtedly begin to get involved with divorces, families, estates, and all of that stuff. The Church doesn't want to be financially responsible for people outside of the priests.
I am no expert but I think in the early days of the church, priests were allowed to be married. One of the reasons they took a vow of celibacy goes along with what Don said, and it had to do with heirs of the priest. I think the church was concerned with the family of priests inheriting property and assets that belonged to the church.
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Re: More priest molestation charges
Posted by dandr10199
Sometimes the church has a parsonage (a house that they let the pastor and his family live in), sometimes they do not. I know of a few pastors that live with their families in a rented house because there is no parsonage and the housing market on LI as well as the whole Northeast in general is insane. The church pays them a salary and the pay rent out of that salary. The pastors I know are very passionate about heir work and could care less where they live. IMO, I find it very commendable.
Wow! i wonder if they have health covergae for themselves and their families?
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Re: More priest molestation charges
Posted by dpli
Posted by CaptainCharisma424
the debate whether or not priests should marry is PARTLY due to biblical interpretation, like you said
However, the main part of the debate is the legal issues involved. The Catholic Church takes care of the priests financially. If you start letting priests marry, you'll undoubtedly begin to get involved with divorces, families, estates, and all of that stuff. The Church doesn't want to be financially responsible for people outside of the priests.
I am no expert but I think in the early days of the church, priests were allowed to be married. One of the reasons they took a vow of celibacy goes along with what Don said, and it had to do with heirs of the priest. I think the church was concerned with the family of priests inheriting property and assets that belonged to the church.
exactly
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Re: More priest molestation charges
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Posted by dandr10199
Sometimes the church has a parsonage (a house that they let the pastor and his family live in), sometimes they do not. I know of a few pastors that live with their families in a rented house because there is no parsonage and the housing market on LI as well as the whole Northeast in general is insane. The church pays them a salary and the pay rent out of that salary. The pastors I know are very passionate about heir work and could care less where they live. IMO, I find it very commendable.
Wow! i wonder if they have health covergae for themselves and their families?
Yes, some do. It's not mandatory but they church can pay it.
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Re: More priest molestation charges
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Posted by dpli
And IMO, priests like this are pushing people to leave the church in droves. There is growing frustration among Catholics with how the church handles many things and statements like this one just add fuel to the fire. I get angry for the families that have been victims, but I also get angry for the good priests, who do a lot of great work, who are being perceived as molestors or co-conspiritors.
I was raised Catholic and so was DH. What dpli wrote above is one of the many reasons why we attend a protestant church now. Although, pastors are FAR FROM PERFECT, at least the pastors are married and there seems like there is a lower percentage of these kind of things happening.
We feel like we made the right choice for our family.
wow, interesting to see someone is thinking like me...i've been wanting to "see what else is out there" for a while.....Protestant - interesting! I would like to attend a service. What differences do you see?
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Re: More priest molestation charges
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Posted by dandr10199
Sometimes the church has a parsonage (a house that they let the pastor and his family live in), sometimes they do not. I know of a few pastors that live with their families in a rented house because there is no parsonage and the housing market on LI as well as the whole Northeast in general is insane. The church pays them a salary and the pay rent out of that salary. The pastors I know are very passionate about heir work and could care less where they live. IMO, I find it very commendable.
Wow! I wonder if they have health covergae for themselves and their families?
I don't know the answer to that one, but I would assume they do. Basically like any other salaried job. I look at pastors, teachers and doctors the same way. It's not a "job" to them, it is more like a calling. I know of some pastors who give up a house, car, salary, etc. to go to an impoverished nation just to help them build houses or a water well or something. Just like doctors got to school for years and years giving up their social lives to be a doctor. Teachers give up a lot too. I have nothing but admiration for people who go after their calling/dreams and do not care about what they will be paid.
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Re: More priest molestation charges
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Posted by sarahsmommy
There's even a movement among some Catholics to let priests marry and have familys, since it's not "The Word of God" that dictates they be celibate, it was a Vatican I mandate to help the priests "focus on the vocation."
This is a prime example of what I mean!
good job!
you have your facts a little mixed up
really?
the debate whether or not priests should marry is PARTLY due to biblical interpretation, like you said
However, the main part of the debate is the legal issues involved. The Catholic Church takes care of the priests financially. If you start letting priests marry, you'll undoubtedly begin to get involved with divorces, families, estates, and all of that stuff. The Church doesn't want to be financially responsible for people outside of the priests.
I don't know how it works with Catholic Churches, but with our temple, the temple owns the house that the rabbi lives in. If the rabbi got divorced, his wife would not have any rights to the house b/c the temple owns it. I don't think the Church would be involved in the divorces just as an employer is not really involved in the divorces of employees except perhaps to disclose the employees' financial records and perhaps garnish wages.
I'd be surprised if the Catholic Church bgean allowing priests to marry. I don't see the Church changing its policies any time soon.
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Re: More priest molestation charges
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wow, interesting to see someone is thinking like me...i've been wanting to "see what else is out there" for a while.....Protestant - interesting! I would like to attend a service. What differences do you see?
OK. I don't mean to be insulting to anyone, this is JMO. I hope this comes across as eloquently as I want it to.
They don't guilt you into everything. The churches I have attended accept you where you are. They meet you where you are and want you to read the Bible so that you can form your own opinions about it. I had a very negative experience in the catholic church and went to a non-denomiational Christian church (protestant) with a HUGE chip on my shoulder and very skeptical. I mean I was the pastor's worst nightmare. I questioned EVERYTHING in the Bible and even said I did not agree with some things in there. And you know what, they loved me for who I was at the time. I felt that after my questions were answered and I got the chip off my shoulder (which took a good 13 months) eventually (I know this will sound SO corny) I really felt God's presence in my life. I can't explain it, although I am trying. I felt so accepted. Not to say that they did not challenge me on my views, which they did. But it felt like a college professor forcing me to think on my own, rather than a priest condemning me because I had questioned my faith.
I have a wonderful relationship with God now, and I am not ashamed of it. I don't claim to have all the answers of why bad things happen to good people (Dana reeve, 9/11, war, famine, etc) I just believe that God is in control. I believe he said that life would be hard, he never said it would be easy. However, I believe in the times when life is the most tragic, he is there holding me and helping me though it.
Sorry for such a long post, I hope that answers your question.
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Re: More priest molestation charges
Posted by dandr10199
Posted by MrsTC
wow, interesting to see someone is thinking like me...i've been wanting to "see what else is out there" for a while.....Protestant - interesting! I would like to attend a service. What differences do you see?
OK. I don't mean to be insulting to anyone, this is JMO. I hope this comes across as eloquently as I want it to.
They don't guilt you into everything. The churches I have attended accept you where you are. They meet you where you are and want you to read the Bible so that you can form your own opinions about it. I had a very negative experience in the catholic church and went to a non-denomiational Christian church (protestant) with a HUGE chip on my shoulder and very skeptical. I mean I was the pastor's worst nightmare. I questioned EVERYTHING in the Bible and even said I did not agree with some things in there. And you know what, they loved me for who I was at the time. I felt that after my questions were answered and I got the chip off my shoulder (which took a good 13 months) eventually (I know this will sound SO corny) I really felt God's presence in my life. I can't explain it, although I am trying. I felt so accepted. Not to say that they did not challenge me on my views, which they did. But it felt like a college professor forcing me to think on my own, rather than a priest condemning me because I had questioned my faith.
I have a wonderful relationship with God now, and I am not ashamed of it. I don't claim to have all the answers of why bad things happen to good people (Dana reeve, 9/11, war, famine, etc) I just believe that God is in control. I believe he said that life would be hard, he never said it would be easy. However, I believe in the times when life is the most tragic, he is there holding me and helping me though it.
Sorry for such a long post, I hope that answers your question.
Thank you Dina for sharing that It makes a lot of sense to me and I think I will definitely see if I can attend a service at a Protestant church near me soon.
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Re: More priest molestation charges
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wow, interesting to see someone is thinking like me...i've been wanting to "see what else is out there" for a while.....Protestant - interesting! I would like to attend a service. What differences do you see?
OK. I don't mean to be insulting to anyone, this is JMO. I hope this comes across as eloquently as I want it to.
They don't guilt you into everything. The churches I have attended accept you where you are. They meet you where you are and want you to read the Bible so that you can form your own opinions about it. I had a very negative experience in the catholic church and went to a non-denomiational Christian church (protestant) with a HUGE chip on my shoulder and very skeptical. I mean I was the pastor's worst nightmare. I questioned EVERYTHING in the Bible and even said I did not agree with some things in there. And you know what, they loved me for who I was at the time. I felt that after my questions were answered and I got the chip off my shoulder (which took a good 13 months) eventually (I know this will sound SO corny) I really felt God's presence in my life. I can't explain it, although I am trying. I felt so accepted. Not to say that they did not challenge me on my views, which they did. But it felt like a college professor forcing me to think on my own, rather than a priest condemning me because I had questioned my faith.
I have a wonderful relationship with God now, and I am not ashamed of it. I don't claim to have all the answers of why bad things happen to good people (Dana reeve, 9/11, war, famine, etc) I just believe that God is in control. I believe he said that life would be hard, he never said it would be easy. However, I believe in the times when life is the most tragic, he is there holding me and helping me though it.
Sorry for such a long post, I hope that answers your question.
Thank you Dina for sharing that It makes a lot of sense to me and I think I will definitely see if I can attend a service at a Protestant church near me soon.
You have FM.
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Re: More priest molestation charges
Posted by dandr10199
Posted by MrsTC
wow, interesting to see someone is thinking like me...i've been wanting to "see what else is out there" for a while.....Protestant - interesting! I would like to attend a service. What differences do you see?
OK. I don't mean to be insulting to anyone, this is JMO. I hope this comes across as eloquently as I want it to.
They don't guilt you into everything. The churches I have attended accept you where you are. They meet you where you are and want you to read the Bible so that you can form your own opinions about it. I had a very negative experience in the catholic church and went to a non-denomiational Christian church (protestant) with a HUGE chip on my shoulder and very skeptical. I mean I was the pastor's worst nightmare. I questioned EVERYTHING in the Bible and even said I did not agree with some things in there. And you know what, they loved me for who I was at the time. I felt that after my questions were answered and I got the chip off my shoulder (which took a good 13 months) eventually (I know this will sound SO corny) I really felt God's presence in my life. I can't explain it, although I am trying. I felt so accepted. Not to say that they did not challenge me on my views, which they did. But it felt like a college professor forcing me to think on my own, rather than a priest condemning me because I had questioned my faith.
I have a wonderful relationship with God now, and I am not ashamed of it. I don't claim to have all the answers of why bad things happen to good people (Dana reeve, 9/11, war, famine, etc) I just believe that God is in control. I believe he said that life would be hard, he never said it would be easy. However, I believe in the times when life is the most tragic, he is there holding me and helping me though it.
Sorry for such a long post, I hope that answers your question.
Good for you! Thank you for sharing
I was raised Catholic and we were married in a Catholic mass but over the last few years (and following a trip to the Vatican and other Catholic churches in Europe), I have really come to question the powers that be in the Catholic religion. When you study the history of the Church and the corruption, death, and wars that have ensued because of Catholicism, it makes you wary. Like some others have stated, it may be a few but it is a powerful few. I have come to know many wonderful priests but I have to question that authority that runs the Church. As a woman, I also do not appreciate that women have been held down through the church forever. When you see more of these molestation charges, it just raises even more questions.
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Re: More priest molestation charges
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My view on this is that, they should allow the priests to marry. It's sad that the actions of these sick men have put such a negative stigma on the Catholic church and I think religion in general. 
I disagree, Sonia. Marriage does not cure pedophilia.
No, it does not but I think the lack of any sexual contact IMO has a lot to do with it.
Pedophilia -the raping and molesting of children- has nothing to do with sexual deprivation and urgencies. Marriage won't cure pedophilia just as it doesn't cure affairs. You're talking apples and oranges.
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