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Larry Nassar and USA gymnastics team

Im surprised no one posted about this yet. I was so proud of the courageous women who had to confront him. That judge was amazing. My only question is HOW could no one else have known something was off/wrong (including parents)?

Posted 1/25/18 12:43 PM
 
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The judge who essentially threw his statement away??? She’s awesome. I love her.

Someone had to have known. I don’t believe that no one did.

Posted 1/25/18 1:05 PM
 

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I read that one of the victims told her mom in the car on the way home from her appointment that the Dr. put his fingers inside her vagina. Like WTF is wrong with that parent?

Posted 1/25/18 1:11 PM
 

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The whole thing is disgusting. The entire US gymnastic organization needs to be overhauled. BS nobody knew about this. Not only did they know, they enabled it. Disgusting people.

But you know who else is at fault? The parents. They had one of the girls on GMA this morning and she was saying how she faked an injury - she smashed her own head in the bathroom- just to get out of going. She said she had been crying to her parents that she didn't want to go and that was the only way out for her. Are you kidding? Of the 156 victims, NONE of these parents knew what was going down? Your daughter is pleading not to go and you still send her? For what? The possibility of Olympic glory? Please. Its sick. All these girls are mentally battered now (an not just from Larry Nassar).

Posted 1/25/18 1:15 PM
 

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I follow gymnastics very closely. I'm sure there are many other people that knew. I'm praying they de-certify USA Gymnastics and start all over. Everyone needs to go.

As far as the parents, it's hard to judge people involved in elite sports. They put so much into their child's career and so many people get blinded by that and think that they need to keep going for it all to be "worth it." Obviously this doesn't make it right or excuse them, but people get so caught up in it I don't even think they can see straight.

But let's not forget this happens in many, if not all, youth sports. Insane coaches, pushy parents, poor training methods, it's everywhere. Hopefully this will help shed a light on abuse in all youth sports.

Posted 1/25/18 1:58 PM
 

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Posted by phoenix913

I follow gymnastics very closely. I'm sure there are many other people that knew. I'm praying they de-certify USA Gymnastics and start all over. Everyone needs to go.

As far as the parents, it's hard to judge people involved in elite sports. They put so much into their child's career and so many people get blinded by that and think that they need to keep going for it all to be "worth it." Obviously this doesn't make it right or excuse them, but people get so caught up in it I don't even think they can see straight.

But let's not forget this happens in many, if not all, youth sports. Insane coaches, pushy parents, poor training methods, it's everywhere. Hopefully this will help shed a light on abuse in all youth sports.



Crazy. Crazy. Crazy. Why!? For a medal or a title!?

Posted 1/25/18 2:09 PM
 

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The whole thing is disgusting. The entire US gymnastic organization needs to be overhauled. BS nobody knew about this. Not only did they know, they enabled it. Disgusting people.

But you know who else is at fault? The parents. They had one of the girls on GMA this morning and she was saying how she faked an injury - she smashed her own head in the bathroom- just to get out of going. She said she had been crying to her parents that she didn't want to go and that was the only way out for her. Are you kidding? Of the 156 victims, NONE of these parents knew what was going down? Your daughter is pleading not to go and you still send her? For what? The possibility of Olympic glory? Please. Its sick. All these girls are mentally battered now (an not just from Larry Nassar).



I just watched a bit of that interview. I blame it on Nassar but the blame also lies on doing whatever it takes to be a star althlete.

Posted 1/25/18 2:10 PM
 

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Someone had to have known. I don’t believe that no one did.




Plenty of people were told but did nothing to help these girls. That's why they are now going after MSU, The Olympic Committee and USA Gymnastics. Some people have already resigned. But they need to be charged.

As for the parents. These girls were groomed by this pedophile. And I believe he also to some extent groomed the parents. I mean he did some of these acts when some parents were IN THE ROOM with their daughter! He either used a screen or his body to block the parents view.

But I am curious to know if any of the girls told their parents and how it was handled. I haven't heard anything about that.

I do know in many cases (not this one) parents are told. And the pedophile talks their way out of it. They are very manipulative. I've seen it happen. And the abuse continued for about another year.



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Posted 1/25/18 2:18 PM
 

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It's so crazy to me. But, the parents did not have access to their children when they were traveling for competitions. They have to stay in a separate hotel from them. And I think many of the kids were afraid to speak up, because they thought this was just part of living their dream. Speaking up might mean they don't get to go to the Olympics. It's sad and sick all around

Posted 1/25/18 2:18 PM
 

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i feel so much disgust about this case. my heart breaks for those victims.

Posted 1/25/18 2:26 PM
 

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I read one of the victims statements and other info on cnn


Many did tell their parents. He claimed it was medical pelvic floor procedures. One girls mom was in the room ??!!!!

When it was reported, girls were told they didn’t understand the difference between medical and sexual abuse. Reports were handled in house and not with authorities.

So sad. There needs to be charges against these adults who heard complaint after complaint and buried it.

That’s what I don’t get. There has to be so many other doctors out there. Why was he so protected?

If I was a coach and heard this from multiple girls, how can you shrug it off and blame it on girls confusion ?! Insane to me.

Parents may only have their one child. I’m not excusing them. But there were people/coaches/mgmt that heard multiple multiple complaints and did nothing. They are just as guilty.

Michigan state equally as guilty

Posted 1/25/18 2:30 PM
 

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Disgusting. Of course people knew they just chose to sweep it under the rug.

Posted 1/25/18 4:14 PM
 

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Larry Nassar and USA gymnastics team

Just listened to 3 of the victims on the Megan Kelly show. One of the girls started being abused at the age of 6! Nassar was a family friend and they spent a lot of time together. At about 11 she told her family and they basically didn't believe her. Her father wound up committing suicide.

Another woman discussed how a complaint was made to the MSU gymnastics coach in 1997 (!) by a 16 yr old and the coach shamed the girl - even though a 14 yr old also made a complaint at the same time. And then completely swept it under the rug. The coach was allowed to retire with her full pension

The doctor is the most disgusting human being I could imagine, but there are a whole lot of enablers out there that should face serious consequences as well

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Posted 1/25/18 5:48 PM
 

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It’s disgusting and the freaking parents should get locked up to. Assholes.. I’m sorry I do not feel one bit of empathy for any of those adults.

It’s like the entertainment industry, parents let their kids run wild and unprotected so they can get the next big check and live through their kids. Sick sick industries.

ETA: there is no way someone is sticking their fingers in my daughters vagina for a pelvic exam and I’m in the room oblivious. Your pants shouldn’t be off.. it’s not the GYN.

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Posted 1/25/18 7:01 PM
 

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Posted by chilltocam

Just listened to 3 of the victims on the Megan Kelly show. One of the girls started being abused at the age of 6! Nassar was a family friend and they spent a lot of time together. At about 11 she told her family and they basically didn't believe her. Her father wound up committing suicide.

Another woman discussed how a complaint was made to the MSU gymnastics coach in 1997 (!) by a 16 yr old and the coach shamed the girl - even though a 14 yr old also made a complaint at the same time. And then completely swept it under the rug. The coach was allowed to retire with her full pension

The doctor is the most disgusting human being I could imagine, but there are a whole lot of enablers out there that should face serious consequences as well



That is outrageous about the coach! I hope something comes about and that decision is reversed and she does time!

I also hope every single adult involved in this carries guilt and shame with them for the rest of the pathetic lives.

You would think when all the stuff came out at Penn State these coaches and everyone else would've spoken up at that time! But I guess once you're involved with a cover up how can you come out against it without the fear of being charged. Everyone just covered their ass for championships, titles and bragging rights these athletes came from MSU. Disgusting.

I still can not fathom this went on for 20yrs. Chat Icon

Posted 1/25/18 7:59 PM
 

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Posted by queensgal

Many did tell their parents. He claimed it was medical pelvic floor procedures. One girls mom was in the room ??!!!!




PELVIC FLOOR PROCEDURES?!?

Oh come on! Just when I thought i couldn't be anymore appalled. Team doctors deal with muscles, ligaments and orthopedic issues as far as I'm concerned. If my daughter mentioned she had a "pelvic floor procedure" at gymnastics camp you bet your ass the red flags would be raised. Hello! Peoples priorities are so messed up. It's freaking gymnastics (or insert sport)...your kid isn't being trained to save lives. Unreal.

Posted 1/26/18 7:29 AM
 

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I listened to two full days of victim impact statements. I've also read a lot about this because I follow gymnastics (although not as closely as I did 10 years ago).

First - pelvic floor techniques are legitimate medical procedures. Nassar claimed that was what he was doing. However, as Rachel Denhollander was able to show, Nassar's "treatment" although labeled as pelvic floor therapy, was not the actual legitimate therapy.

Second - the girls reported to the coaches and other athletic trainers, who in turn went to Nassar, who claimed it was legitimate medical therapy. I have yet to find one instance where the person told of the abuse was a mandated reporter. This is one of the first changes that needs to be made - all athletic coaches and trainers should be mandated reporters. Then, they would all have personal liability for failing to com forward.

Third - to whoever made the comment about the child having her pants off - that is one of the horrible things about this case - the girls (except for McKayla Maroney - my understanding of what happened to her is that she was raped after being drugged) had their pants on. They were all wearing "loose" shorts, which enable Nassar to slip his hands under them.

Fourth - if your parent was in the room while you were being treated, wouldn't you think everything the doctor was doing was the right thing? These girls were very young with no frame of reference. For many of them the abuse started before puberty.

These girls were groomed, and groomed well. Bela Karolyi, for all of his success, has been called a tyrant. Read some of Nadia's claims. Elite level gymnasts suffer a tremendous amount of verbal abuse that has been well documented. Nassar provided them with a shoulder to cry on. He gave them gifts, and food when they were alone and away from home. Much the way kidnapping victims "fall in love" with their captor, these girls looked at Nassar as their protector from the coaches. All of these girls adored him at one point, even worshiped him.

I'm not a doctor. If my daughter came to me and said the doctor did something that made her uncomfortable and I went to him, and he gave me some well thought out and detailed explanation of a medical therapy - who would I be to question it? In the year 2017 we have internet to look it up and see what it is, but in 1994 there was no such ability. Prior to late 1998 there was no google. It wasn't even really mainstream until 2004 or so.

Let's face it - this guy had serious street cred. He was the guy for USA gymnastics. Who remembers Kerri Strug and her vault on one foot in Atlanta that won the US team the gold medal?? Nassar is the doctor who treated her. He's in several pictures from those games. Most notably this one:

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That's him with his hand out to take her from Marta Karolyi and Mary Lee Tracey.

Who was anyone to question this guy??? That's why he got away with it as long as he did.

Posted 1/26/18 8:11 AM
 

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Posted by FirstMate

Posted by queensgal

Many did tell their parents. He claimed it was medical pelvic floor procedures. One girls mom was in the room ??!!!!




PELVIC FLOOR PROCEDURES?!?

Oh come on! Just when I thought i couldn't be anymore appalled. Team doctors deal with muscles, ligaments and orthopedic issues as far as I'm concerned. If my daughter mentioned she had a "pelvic floor procedure" at gymnastics camp you bet your ass the red flags would be raised. Hello! Peoples priorities are so messed up. It's freaking gymnastics (or insert sport)...your kid isn't being trained to save lives. Unreal.



I agree. What, exactly, is a pelvic floor procedure?
What does having your hands in my vagina have to do with my skill as a gymnast?
Gross. So fuking gross and it really skeeves me.

Posted 1/26/18 8:50 AM
 

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Posted by BargainMama

It's so crazy to me. But, the parents did not have access to their children when they were traveling for competitions. They have to stay in a separate hotel from them. And I think many of the kids were afraid to speak up, because they thought this was just part of living their dream. Speaking up might mean they don't get to go to the Olympics. It's sad and sick all around



But... the mothers were in the room in several instances, while the exam was taking place. This is coming from the testimony of the victims themselves... that they couldn't believe he would do something with their mothers in the room. I'm sure they were behind a curtain or something, but why would a doctor need to be behind a curtain for the kind of examination that should've been taking place?

I hope he gets the same treatment in jail that he's given these women. And I applaud the judge for her sentence.

Posted 1/26/18 8:56 AM
 

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I'm not a doctor. If my daughter came to me and said the doctor did something that made her uncomfortable and I went to him, and he gave me some well thought out and detailed explanation of a medical therapy - who would I be to question it? In the year 2017 we have internet to look it up and see what it is, but in 1994 there was no such ability. Prior to late 1998 there was no google. It wasn't even really mainstream until 2004 or so.

Let's face it - this guy had serious street cred. He was the guy for USA gymnastics. Who remembers Kerri Strug and her vault on one foot in Atlanta that won the US team the gold medal?? Nassar is the doctor who treated her. He's in several pictures from those games. Most notably this one:

IMAGE

That's him with his hand out to take her from Marta Karolyi and Mary Lee Tracey.

Who was anyone to question this guy??? That's why he got away with it as long as he did.



Good points

Posted 1/26/18 8:59 AM
 

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The US olympic committee just demanded that the entire USA Gymnastics board resign or they will lose their status as the governing body of the sport.

Posted 1/26/18 9:02 AM
 

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I will tell you, I know that USAG sweeps things under the rug. My daughter is a gymnast, and I was made aware of some ongoing incidents from her former female coach which involved the the male owner of our former gym, who also coaches the older girls. Incidents that did not involve my child, but involved the girls that this man coaches. She said she made some complaints to USAG, and they pretty much brushed it off. The organization as a whole needs an overhaul.

Posted 1/26/18 9:02 AM
 

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Posted by lululu

The US olympic committee just demanded that the entire USA Gymnastics board resign or they will lose their status as the governing body of the sport.



Good!

Posted 1/26/18 9:02 AM
 

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Posted by DancinBarefoot

I listened to two full days of victim impact statements. I've also read a lot about this because I follow gymnastics (although not as closely as I did 10 years ago).

First - pelvic floor techniques are legitimate medical procedures. Nassar claimed that was what he was doing. However, as Rachel Denhollander was able to show, Nassar's "treatment" although labeled as pelvic floor therapy, was not the actual legitimate therapy.

Second - the girls reported to the coaches and other athletic trainers, who in turn went to Nassar, who claimed it was legitimate medical therapy. I have yet to find one instance where the person told of the abuse was a mandated reporter. This is one of the first changes that needs to be made - all athletic coaches and trainers should be mandated reporters. Then, they would all have personal liability for failing to com forward.

Third - to whoever made the comment about the child having her pants off - that is one of the horrible things about this case - the girls (except for McKayla Maroney - my understanding of what happened to her is that she was raped after being drugged) had their pants on. They were all wearing "loose" shorts, which enable Nassar to slip his hands under them.

Fourth - if your parent was in the room while you were being treated, wouldn't you think everything the doctor was doing was the right thing? These girls were very young with no frame of reference. For many of them the abuse started before puberty.

These girls were groomed, and groomed well. Bela Karolyi, for all of his success, has been called a tyrant. Read some of Nadia's claims. Elite level gymnasts suffer a tremendous amount of verbal abuse that has been well documented. Nassar provided them with a shoulder to cry on. He gave them gifts, and food when they were alone and away from home. Much the way kidnapping victims "fall in love" with their captor, these girls looked at Nassar as their protector from the coaches. All of these girls adored him at one point, even worshiped him.

I'm not a doctor. If my daughter came to me and said the doctor did something that made her uncomfortable and I went to him, and he gave me some well thought out and detailed explanation of a medical therapy - who would I be to question it? In the year 2017 we have internet to look it up and see what it is, but in 1994 there was no such ability. Prior to late 1998 there was no google. It wasn't even really mainstream until 2004 or so.

Let's face it - this guy had serious street cred. He was the guy for USA gymnastics. Who remembers Kerri Strug and her vault on one foot in Atlanta that won the US team the gold medal?? Nassar is the doctor who treated her. He's in several pictures from those games. Most notably this one:

IMAGE

That's him with his hand out to take her from Marta Karolyi and Mary Lee Tracey.

Who was anyone to question this guy??? That's why he got away with it as long as he did.



Well said!


Posted by lululu

The US olympic committee just demanded that the entire USA Gymnastics board resign or they will lose their status as the governing body of the sport.



Good.

But aren't they also being questioned and investigated. I know they were called out quite a few times in court.


ETS: They are.

NY Times article

Mr. Blackmun also said that the Olympic committee would begin an independent, third-party investigation of itself and U.S.A. Gymnastics to “examine how an abuse of this proportion could have gone undetected for so long.”

“We need to know when complaints were brought forward and to who,” he wrote, adding that the results would be made public. It’s not yet clear who will lead that investigation.

Senator Jeanne Shaheen, Democrat of New Hampshire, also called on Wednesday for a congressional investigation, complete with subpoena power, of the Olympic committee and the gymnastics federation.


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Posted 1/26/18 9:17 AM
 

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Posted by DancinBarefoot

I listened to two full days of victim impact statements. I've also read a lot about this because I follow gymnastics (although not as closely as I did 10 years ago).

First - pelvic floor techniques are legitimate medical procedures. Nassar claimed that was what he was doing. However, as Rachel Denhollander was able to show, Nassar's "treatment" although labeled as pelvic floor therapy, was not the actual legitimate therapy.

Second - the girls reported to the coaches and other athletic trainers, who in turn went to Nassar, who claimed it was legitimate medical therapy. I have yet to find one instance where the person told of the abuse was a mandated reporter. This is one of the first changes that needs to be made - all athletic coaches and trainers should be mandated reporters. Then, they would all have personal liability for failing to com forward.

Third - to whoever made the comment about the child having her pants off - that is one of the horrible things about this case - the girls (except for McKayla Maroney - my understanding of what happened to her is that she was raped after being drugged) had their pants on. They were all wearing "loose" shorts, which enable Nassar to slip his hands under them.

Fourth - if your parent was in the room while you were being treated, wouldn't you think everything the doctor was doing was the right thing? These girls were very young with no frame of reference. For many of them the abuse started before puberty.

These girls were groomed, and groomed well. Bela Karolyi, for all of his success, has been called a tyrant. Read some of Nadia's claims. Elite level gymnasts suffer a tremendous amount of verbal abuse that has been well documented. Nassar provided them with a shoulder to cry on. He gave them gifts, and food when they were alone and away from home. Much the way kidnapping victims "fall in love" with their captor, these girls looked at Nassar as their protector from the coaches. All of these girls adored him at one point, even worshiped him.

I'm not a doctor. If my daughter came to me and said the doctor did something that made her uncomfortable and I went to him, and he gave me some well thought out and detailed explanation of a medical therapy - who would I be to question it? In the year 2017 we have internet to look it up and see what it is, but in 1994 there was no such ability. Prior to late 1998 there was no google. It wasn't even really mainstream until 2004 or so.

Let's face it - this guy had serious street cred. He was the guy for USA gymnastics. Who remembers Kerri Strug and her vault on one foot in Atlanta that won the US team the gold medal?? Nassar is the doctor who treated her. He's in several pictures from those games. Most notably this one:

IMAGE

That's him with his hand out to take her from Marta Karolyi and Mary Lee Tracey.

Who was anyone to question this guy??? That's why he got away with it as long as he did.



Well said!


Posted by lululu

The US olympic committee just demanded that the entire USA Gymnastics board resign or they will lose their status as the governing body of the sport.



Good.

But aren't they also being questioned and investigated. I know they were called out quite a few times in court.




Who am i to question this man???

I am the mom and the protector of the child, I am the one to question this guy. Am i reading this right.. wtf? This is whats wrong with this society. I don't give a flying fluck if you are a doctor, no I don't have to trust you blindly. I don't want my child covered up at 6 yrs old while you are giving an exam. Why are you hiding what you are doing?

When my son was little and his pants were down and they were testing his testicles. best believe I was watching closely and making sure he was comfortable and the doctor was doing it right.

TRUST NO ONE, especially in a entertainment or sports industries. Blind ignorance is what some of these parents had and because they wanted superstar kids. My baby tells me she felt uncomfortable, there is a reason why!!

The little girls said he stuck his finger in their vagina, i also listened to all the testimonies. Someone telling me thats a normal exam, and Im going to believe it. It being ok for him to be in a room alone with my daughter cause he is a doctor, - hell no. Im hopping on the next flight and raising hell. But I would be there anyway or my kid wouldn't be participating. Then I am a moron as parent, sorry.

Am I the only psycho on here that dosn't trust people on blind faith with my kid?

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