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SweetestOfPeas
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Interesting - 20 ways Obama agrees with GWB
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"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Since Barack Obama incessantly makes the case that a John McCain administration would equate to another Bush term, it's worth looking at just how much Sen. Obama himself is in agreement with the unpopular president. "
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Re: Interesting - 20 ways Obama agrees with GWB
Well well well...Good Post
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| Posted 10/13/08 7:33 PM |
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Re: Interesting - 20 ways Obama agrees with GWB
I only skimmed it- but she was pushing it on alot of that IMO
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| Posted 10/13/08 7:34 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Interesting - 20 ways Obama agrees with GWB
Posted by Beth1210
I only skimmed it- but she was pushing it on alot of that IMO
really? how so
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| Posted 10/13/08 7:35 PM |
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Re: Interesting - 20 ways Obama agrees with GWB
Posted by Beth1210
I only skimmed it- but she was pushing it on alot of that IMO
I agree- she used to be pretty high up in the RNC and a Bush appointee.
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| Posted 10/13/08 7:38 PM |
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Re: Interesting - 20 ways Obama agrees with GWB
Very interesting... I wonder if McCain agrees with these points as well?
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| Posted 10/13/08 7:38 PM |
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Beth
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Re: Interesting - 20 ways Obama agrees with GWB
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Beth1210
I only skimmed it- but she was pushing it on alot of that IMO
really? how so
I started to re-read it- and she is pushing it on most of it
if you closely read it- she takes bits and peices of things they have both SAID - some back in 2001
not things that Bush has passed or done that Obama agrees with-
here is a classical example- she says the agree on tax cuts for the middle class
Bush said it was a good idea (never did it)
Obama wants to do it - major point of his campaign
she is saying that they agree on that- well I am sure they will agree grass is green- but it doesn't mean that they actually have the same values and that Obama will be anything like GWB
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| Posted 10/13/08 7:39 PM |
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Re: Interesting - 20 ways Obama agrees with GWB
Posted by MrsProfessor
Posted by Beth1210
I only skimmed it- but she was pushing it on alot of that IMO
I agree- she used to be pretty high up in the RNC and a Bush appointee.
Regardless of her Rep. affiliations, how is she pushing it? It seemed like he really did agree with all of these points.
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| Posted 10/13/08 7:39 PM |
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Beth
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Re: Interesting - 20 ways Obama agrees with GWB
Posted by MrsProfessor
Posted by Beth1210
I only skimmed it- but she was pushing it on alot of that IMO
I agree- she used to be pretty high up in the RNC and a Bush appointee.
interesting...
this is a slanted editoral - not a fact based article or chart comparing them
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| Posted 10/13/08 7:40 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Interesting - 20 ways Obama agrees with GWB
Posted by Beth1210
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Beth1210
I only skimmed it- but she was pushing it on alot of that IMO
really? how so
I started to re-read it- and she is pushing it on most of it
if you closely read it- she takes bits and peices of things they have both SAID - some back in 2001
not things that Bush has passed or done that Obama agrees with-
here is a classical example- she says the agree on tax cuts for the middle class
Bush said it was a good idea (never did it)
Obama wants to do it - major point of his campaign
she is saying that they agree on that- well I am sure they will agree grass is green- but it doesn't mean that they actually have the same values and that Obama will be anything like GWB
"Perhaps unbeknownst to him (Obama), Bush has already been there, done that. In signing the 2001 Tax Cut Bill, Bush said: "Tax relief is an achievement for families struggling to enter the middle class. For hard-working lower-income families, we have cut the bottom rate of federal income tax from 15 percent to 10 percent. We doubled the per-child tax credit to $1,000, and made it refundable. ... Tax relief is an achievement for middle-class families squeezed by high energy prices and credit card debt."
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| Posted 10/13/08 7:41 PM |
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Beth
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Re: Interesting - 20 ways Obama agrees with GWB
Posted by luckyinlove
Posted by MrsProfessor
Posted by Beth1210
I only skimmed it- but she was pushing it on alot of that IMO
I agree- she used to be pretty high up in the RNC and a Bush appointee.
Regardless of her Rep. affiliations, how is she pushing it? It seemed like he really did agree with all of these points.
quote from the article- #12- how is this something they agree on??????
Health care: While they don't share similar views on universal health care coverage, Bush and Obama agree that the problem with health care is "about affordability" and there is a need to address minority health concerns with more coverage and targeting. That is why Bush expanded community health care centers, covering the uninsured and targeting urban areas, to the tune of $1.5 billion for 1,200 centers "coast to coast."
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| Posted 10/13/08 7:42 PM |
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Re: Interesting - 20 ways Obama agrees with GWB
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
"Perhaps unbeknownst to him (Obama), Bush has already been there, done that. In signing the 2001 Tax Cut Bill, Bush said: "Tax relief is an achievement for families struggling to enter the middle class. For hard-working lower-income families, we have cut the bottom rate of federal income tax from 15 percent to 10 percent. We doubled the per-child tax credit to $1,000, and made it refundable. ... Tax relief is an achievement for middle-class families squeezed by high energy prices and credit card debt."
well I don't have a child- and I am not in the lowest income bracket- so how would this help me?
Obama wants to help EVERYONE making less then $250K
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| Posted 10/13/08 7:44 PM |
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Re: Interesting - 20 ways Obama agrees with GWB
more on the 2001 tax cut bill
and more...
"Highlights of the $1.35 Trillion Tax Cut Package
Tax Rates
The top 38.6% rate will be cut to 35 percent by 2006, while the current 35% rate will drop to 33% by 2006. The 30% percent rate will ultimately fall to 28%, while the 27% bracket will be cut to 25%. The 15% rate remains the same, but a new 10% rate applies to the first $6,000 of taxable income for single taxpayers and $12,000 for married couples filing jointly.
Child Credit
Child credit rose from $500 to $600 for 2001-2004 and will gradually rise to $1,000 in 2010. Education: The contribution limit for tax advantaged education IRA accounts was raised from $500 to $2,000.
Retirement
Tax-favored contribution limits for IRAs and Roth IRAs are gradually raised from $3,000 to $5,000 (2008). Tax-deferred contribution limits for 401(k)-type plans gradually increase from $12,000 (2003) to $15,000 (2006).
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| Posted 10/13/08 7:45 PM |
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Re: Interesting - 20 ways Obama agrees with GWB
Posted by Beth1210
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
"Perhaps unbeknownst to him (Obama), Bush has already been there, done that. In signing the 2001 Tax Cut Bill, Bush said: "Tax relief is an achievement for families struggling to enter the middle class. For hard-working lower-income families, we have cut the bottom rate of federal income tax from 15 percent to 10 percent. We doubled the per-child tax credit to $1,000, and made it refundable. ... Tax relief is an achievement for middle-class families squeezed by high energy prices and credit card debt."
well I don't have a child- and I am not in the lowest income bracket- so how would this help me?
Obama wants to help EVERYONE making less then $250K
but you said Bush didn't do it, he did.
and btw - just b/c Obama "wants" to, doesn't mean it's going to happen. the money has to come from somewhere.
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| Posted 10/13/08 7:46 PM |
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Re: Interesting - 20 ways Obama agrees with GWB
well I cave on that one- but just about every point is pushing it to me
and I would LOVE to see how many things McCain and Bush agree on- I am sure it's ALOT more then 20
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| Posted 10/13/08 7:47 PM |
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Re: Interesting - 20 ways Obama agrees with GWB
Posted by Beth1210
well I cave on that one- but just about every point is pushing it to me
and I would LOVE to see how many things McCain and Bush agree on- I am sure it's ALOT more then 20
last paragraph:
So, although he has been ranked as the most liberal senator by the National Journal and obviously hasn't voted with Bush as often as Sen. McCain has -- based on his voting "record" -- Obama's "rhetoric" still sounds a lot like, well, Bush. McCain might want to take that into account the next time Obama talks about another Bush term.
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| Posted 10/13/08 7:49 PM |
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Re: Interesting - 20 ways Obama agrees with GWB
 she's really reaching, isn't she? give me a break
i agree with beth on this one...this COMMENTARY is very slanted - even open ended on some points...
for example, re the Supreme Court ruling on gun ban:
Despite his past endorsements of some gun control measures, Obama's reaction to the recent Supreme Court decision upholding the constitutional right of individuals to own handguns mirrors the administration's. Obama now says: "As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms."
for some reason, i think that last sentence continued with an "HOWEVER...." --- if she's going to COMMENT, she should use ALL the facts - not just take bits and pieces of statemtents.
besides...this is TWENTY - 2-0 - "reasons" -- 20 out of HOW MANY points???? i'm sure there are TWICE (if not more) as many points where he DIFFERS from GWB
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| Posted 10/13/08 7:52 PM |
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Beth
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Re: Interesting - 20 ways Obama agrees with GWB
the comments are interesting
people seem to think she is twisting the truth-- which is what I mean by pushing it
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| Posted 10/13/08 7:52 PM |
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Re: Interesting - 20 ways Obama agrees with GWB
I didn't read the article, but I don't see the big deal with Obama agreeing with McCain or Bush on some issues. It is silly to think that because they are members for opposing parties they MUST disagree on every issue. They do disagree on lots if issues and are two COMPLETELY different men, with different values, goals, leadership strengths etc. Anyone who doesn't see that or who would read this piece and then believe that Obama is just like Bush would also probably believe just about anything you fed him or her.
Edited b/c I never proofread and make mistakes...
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Re: Interesting - 20 ways Obama agrees with GWB
Posted by Beth1210
the comments are interesting
people seem to think she is twisting the truth-- which is what I mean by pushing it
I agree. She's interpreting to suit her purpose- she is a Republican.
McCain has accused Obama as being the most partisan senator- so it's not like he can use this to his advantage. It would actually make him look like he hasn't done his homework.
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| Posted 10/13/08 7:56 PM |
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Re: Interesting - 20 ways Obama agrees with GWB
Posted by MrsERod
she's really reaching, isn't she? give me a break
i agree with beth on this one...this COMMENTARY is very slanted - even open ended on some points...
for example, re the Supreme Court ruling on gun ban:
Despite his past endorsements of some gun control measures, Obama's reaction to the recent Supreme Court decision upholding the constitutional right of individuals to own handguns mirrors the administration's. Obama now says: "As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms."
for some reason, i think that last sentence continued with an "HOWEVER...." --- if she's going to COMMENT, she should use ALL the facts - not just take bits and pieces of statemtents.
besides...this is TWENTY - 2-0 - "reasons" -- 20 out of HOW MANY points???? i'm sure there are TWICE (if not more) as many points where he DIFFERS from GWB
I'm sorry but, I don't understand what the are supposed to be aimed at.
what facts is she not using? I'm just trying to see where you're coming from, KWIM?
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| Posted 10/13/08 7:57 PM |
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Re: Interesting - 20 ways Obama agrees with GWB
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Beth1210
well I cave on that one- but just about every point is pushing it to me
and I would LOVE to see how many things McCain and Bush agree on- I am sure it's ALOT more then 20
last paragraph:
So, although he has been ranked as the most liberal senator by the National Journal and obviously hasn't voted with Bush as often as Sen. McCain has -- based on his voting "record" -- Obama's "rhetoric" still sounds a lot like, well, Bush. McCain might want to take that into account the next time Obama talks about another Bush term.
i had to laugh at that part - because it almost seems like she's that kid in the playground pushing the two big boys to fight fight fight 
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Re: Interesting - 20 ways Obama agrees with GWB
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by MrsERod
she's really reaching, isn't she? give me a break
i agree with beth on this one...this COMMENTARY is very slanted - even open ended on some points...
for example, re the Supreme Court ruling on gun ban:
Despite his past endorsements of some gun control measures, Obama's reaction to the recent Supreme Court decision upholding the constitutional right of individuals to own handguns mirrors the administration's. Obama now says: "As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms."
for some reason, i think that last sentence continued with an "HOWEVER...." --- if she's going to COMMENT, she should use ALL the facts - not just take bits and pieces of statemtents.
besides...this is TWENTY - 2-0 - "reasons" -- 20 out of HOW MANY points???? i'm sure there are TWICE (if not more) as many points where he DIFFERS from GWB
I'm sorry but, I don't understand what the are supposed to be aimed at.
what facts is she not using? I'm just trying to see where you're coming from, KWIM?
not aimed at you AT ALL!
eta: it was actually in response to that CNN contributor who wrote the commentary!
didn't mean to offend!
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| Posted 10/13/08 7:57 PM |
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Re: Interesting - 20 ways Obama agrees with GWB
What is very interesting is that although Obama is "liberal", he still thinks that marriage should only be between a man and a woman. How is this liberal? It sounds pretty conservative to me!
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| Posted 10/13/08 7:58 PM |
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Re: Interesting - 20 ways Obama agrees with GWB
Posted by Snickers
I didn't read the article, but I don't see the big deal with Obama agreeing with McCain or Bush on some issues. It is silly to think that because they are members for opposing parties they MUST disagree on every issue. They do disagree on lots if issues and are two COMPLETELY different men, with different values, goals, leadership strengths etc. Anyone who doesn't see that or who would read this piece and then believe that Obama is just like Bush would also probably believe just about anything you fed him or her.
Edited b/c I never proofread and make mistakes...
no one said it should be taken as he is the same as GWB. sheesh, I just found the comparison of these issues interesting. that's all
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