Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...

This is slightly sickening to me at this point.

I went into education because I love it. I have spent 2 years trying to get a full time job, but the market is so saturated right now that it's near impossible. I've been lucky, and have worked for the majority of those 2 years in different schools.

At this point, and reading these view points, I should have gone into the private sector.

I graduated at the top of my class in both hs and college. Earned my MA in 1 year, with a 3.9 gpa.

You pay teachers less than 50k after 10 years, you will have sh*t for teachers, end of story. Then, when you send your children to school and the teacher is a babysitter, you will sit there and watch our country fall apart more than it already has.

Ug.

Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...

Posted by KerriSteve

Posted by maybesoon

Posted by mom2aidan

AND THEN you want to have "THE BEST" teachers in the world????

Good luck with that.... I can only imagine the candidate pool....

I'm seriously afraid for the future of this country....

$60,000 for a teacher, $60,000 for a fire fighter, but let's make sure our bankers are taking home six figures... and then let's argue that their salaries aren't paid with tax dollars....

..

Now, you see, this is not cool...

First of all, most "bankers" don't make 6 figures, and if they do it's because of commission, not base salary.

Second of all, bankers have degrees, and student loans, and mortgages.

Don't hate.

Just had to chime in here. The "second of all" -- as in "bankers have degrees and student loans and mortgages" -- implies that making six figures is ok for these reasons. Well, then what's the problem with teachers making six figures since THEY have degrees, student loans, and mortgages, TOO? If this is an argument for why that salary is ok, then ANYONE with those expenses is entitled to make it.

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I really would like one of the 18 people who have marked "under $50,000" to step up and explain how that is fair.

How does that even make sense??? I'm so confused by people sometimes. I really hope that the people who said that have a masters degree (or more), have more than 10 years of experience, and are making under $50,000.

I can't think of many professions where this is the case. Business? Law? Medicine? In all of these professions, if the person is smart and progressing at a decent rate, would be SIGNIFICANTLY over $50,000 after ten years.

My husband graduated with a bachelor's and got an engineering job for more than that THE FIRST YEAR. How is what he was doing more important than the future of our children? My dad runs a business and he refuses to pay under $50,000 for even the most menial jobs (including the person who cleans the office) because he sees that as a living wage.

Please, someone explain this to me.

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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...

Posted by KerriSteve

Now, you see, this is not cool...

First of all, most "bankers" don't make 6 figures, and if they do it's because of commission, not base salary.

Second of all, bankers have degrees, and student loans, and mortgages.

Don't hate.

Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...

Posted by nel

Posted by KerriSteve

Posted by maybesoon

Posted by mom2aidan

AND THEN you want to have "THE BEST" teachers in the world????

Good luck with that.... I can only imagine the candidate pool....

I'm seriously afraid for the future of this country....

$60,000 for a teacher, $60,000 for a fire fighter, but let's make sure our bankers are taking home six figures... and then let's argue that their salaries aren't paid with tax dollars....

..

Now, you see, this is not cool...

First of all, most "bankers" don't make 6 figures, and if they do it's because of commission, not base salary.

Second of all, bankers have degrees, and student loans, and mortgages.

Don't hate.

Just had to chime in here. The "second of all" -- as in "bankers have degrees and student loans and mortgages" -- implies that making six figures is ok for these reasons. Well, then what's the problem with teachers making six figures since THEY have degrees, student loans, and mortgages, TOO? If this is an argument for why that salary is ok, then ANYONE with those expenses is entitled to make it.

Well what I meant was that they also have degrees, STLNs, and mortgages.

The PP was questioning salaries, I was not.

How can you have 222 thousand threads and reasons why teachers deserve their salaries, and then question what another profession earns. It's a little hypocritical.

I thought that was pretty clear but I guess not.

Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...

Posted by MrsProfessor

Posted by KerriSteve

Now, you see, this is not cool...

First of all, most "bankers" don't make 6 figures, and if they do it's because of commission, not base salary.

Second of all, bankers have degrees, and student loans, and mortgages.

Don't hate.

I've been trying to avoid this but what you wrote was just ridiculous.

I'm a teacher.
I have 3 degrees.
Still paying off my student loan, which I am happy to do.
And I have a mortgage.
I don't make 6 figures, or close.

Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...

Posted by MrsProfessor



I've been trying to avoid this but what you wrote was just ridiculous.

Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...

Posted by KerriSteve

Posted by MrsProfessor

Posted by KerriSteve

Now, you see, this is not cool...

First of all, most "bankers" don't make 6 figures, and if they do it's because of commission, not base salary.

Second of all, bankers have degrees, and student loans, and mortgages.

Don't hate.

I've been trying to avoid this but what you wrote was just ridiculous.

I'm a teacher.
I have 3 degrees.
Still paying off my student loan, which I am happy to do.
And I have a mortgage.
I don't make 6 figures, or close.

You can all you want.

I totally understand that you have all of those things, that's great.

I'm not questioning a teacher's salary. I don't even care what they make to be honest. If you read my previous posts, I've never questioned that.

What I was trying to convey, and perhaps it got misinterpreted, was that how can you question a "bankers" salary if you don't want your salary to be questioned.

That's it. That was my point.

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I did not read this whole thread b/c I am a teacher and I don't want to be pizzed off. ALl I am going to say is that based on education alone a teacher should make what other proffesionals make who also have the same amount of education.

By the way

TEACHING IS AN AWESOME JOB IT IS HARD HARD HARD WORK, BUT I WOULDN'T CHANGE IT FOR THE WORLD...UNLESS YOU PAID ME UNDER 50K.

Message edited 2/20/2011 10:19:09 AM.

Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...

I see what you're saying, and I agree with you, but I can also see how it might have been taken the wrong way. You didn't say "also," so it made it seem like you were differentiating.

On the other hand, I don't think that the solution is not to question anyone's salary. I do think that some people at the top are making ridiculous amounts of money and they don't deserve it. I think anyone making over a million dollars a year is 100% excessive. If some of the CEOs that are making millions of dollars would take a year of no pay or significantly reduced pay (just like many of us are doing already), it would mean fewer layoffs, better benefits, bonuses, 401K matching, etc. We're ALL making sacrifices, and I generally feel like people at the very top often decide they shouldn't be included in that.


Yes, I should have put also. I still think it was pretty clear though.

The CEOs/Superintendents, and people at the very top of every profession always make the most. I'm not saying not to question that, but everyday people - teachers, bankers, retail managers, small business owners etc... Not many of them are getting super rich off their salaries, and i don't think there is a reason to question it unless they are not doing their job. KWIM?

Message edited 2/20/2011 10:31:42 AM.

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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...

I just want to let you know that when I first started teaching for NYC DOE in 1998 starting salary was only 28,000 with a BS!!!
It wasn't until years later that a ver y strong union president thought that starting salary should at least be 45,000 with a BS..... with that said......just look at those poll results..

Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...

Posted by KerriSteve

Posted by maybesoon

Posted by mom2aidan

AND THEN you want to have "THE BEST" teachers in the world????

Good luck with that.... I can only imagine the candidate pool....

I'm seriously afraid for the future of this country....

$60,000 for a teacher, $60,000 for a fire fighter, but let's make sure our bankers are taking home six figures... and then let's argue that their salaries aren't paid with tax dollars....

..

Now, you see, this is not cool...

First of all, most "bankers" don't make 6 figures, and if they do it's because of commission, not base salary.

Second of all, bankers have degrees, and student loans, and mortgages.

Don't hate.

You cut off the sentence that explained the point I was trying to make.

I have degrees, and student loans and a mortgage but what I was saying was that the argument is that bankers aren't paid with tax dollars and that isn't necessarily true if the institution is involved in fraudulent business or mismanaged mortgages because the repercussions of these are financed with tax money.

Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...

Posted by KerriSteve

Posted by nel

Posted by KerriSteve

Posted by maybesoon

Posted by mom2aidan

AND THEN you want to have "THE BEST" teachers in the world????

Good luck with that.... I can only imagine the candidate pool....

I'm seriously afraid for the future of this country....

$60,000 for a teacher, $60,000 for a fire fighter, but let's make sure our bankers are taking home six figures... and then let's argue that their salaries aren't paid with tax dollars....

..

Now, you see, this is not cool...

First of all, most "bankers" don't make 6 figures, and if they do it's because of commission, not base salary.

Second of all, bankers have degrees, and student loans, and mortgages.

Don't hate.

Just had to chime in here. The "second of all" -- as in "bankers have degrees and student loans and mortgages" -- implies that making six figures is ok for these reasons. Well, then what's the problem with teachers making six figures since THEY have degrees, student loans, and mortgages, TOO? If this is an argument for why that salary is ok, then ANYONE with those expenses is entitled to make it.

Well what I meant was that they also have degrees, STLNs, and mortgages.

The PP was questioning salaries, I was not.

How can you have 222 thousand threads and reasons why teachers deserve their salaries, and then question what another profession earns. It's a little hypocritical.

I thought that was pretty clear but I guess not.

No, I wasn't questioning salaries. I was questioning where the money comes from and if that impacts whether six figures is "ok"

Message edited 2/20/2011 4:18:00 PM.

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When did teachers become so hated? It really annoys me. I am not a teacher but I know plenty and I think they work hard. I think there are plenty of other professions whose salaries are too high but I don't see people bashing them.

Message edited 2/20/2011 4:41:36 PM.

Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...

Can I ask a question?

What are teacher's assistants? besides from the obvious...

do you guys have them on LI?
I know a lot of them in NC.

I never remember a teacher having an assistant...maybe I did-are they behind the scenes?

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This is a difficult question, I did not pick the highest nor the lowest salary option, and don't really have time to read all the responses posted on this thread but I will offer only some insight to this debate:

I'm an attorney and have 6 years experience as an attorney under my belt (10 years if I include my time working as a law clerk after graduating from law school in 2001). My salary right now (base, not including bonuses or income from my 2nd part time job) is not even 100K. Considering the fact that I had a double major/minor in college with a great GPA, had to deal with the LSAT, law school admissions, the BAR EXAM and bi-annual NY Attorney Registration Fees, plus student loan debt on top - it seems only fair that lawyers should demand a higher salary but unfortunately, lawyers these days are a dime a dozen and millions of entry level attorneys are earning barely 45-55K after graduation (and thats IF they can land a law related position).

Another attorney friend of mine works for the NYC Department of Environmental Protection as a compliance attorney - his salary is only $78K, and he has been practicing 10 years as well. He has to work weekends sometimes because of budget deadlines set by his department.

Teachers with 10 years experience and no extra credentials to their name other than a regular BA should not be getting 100K in my book. Sorry. I know teachers work hard, but for every great teacher that influences a young mind, there are 3 other teachers who are exorting taxpayers' money sitting in the rubber room playing Solitaire.

so no -I dont think 100K or even 80K is a fair salary. Between 50 and 80K would be just fine.

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I think it is a hard job.
80K comes to my mind.

I really don't know much about it though..the 4 that I know personally are always complaining. Either parents are too involved and petty or not involved enough.

I do think a lot has changed from years ago...I can only imagine the rage that would go through me if I were trying to teach a kid sitting in their desk texting.

I know it takes a gifted person to be able to take a room full of non readers and turn them into readers

Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...

Posted by Janice

Can I ask a question?

What are teacher's assistants? besides from the obvious...

do you guys have them on LI?
I know a lot of them in NC.

I never remember a teacher having an assistant...maybe I did-are they behind the scenes?

Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...

Posted by BatGirl9910

This is a difficult question, I did not pick the highest nor the lowest salary option, and don't really have time to read all the responses posted on this thread but I will offer only some insight to this debate:

I'm an attorney and have 6 years experience as an attorney under my belt (10 years if I include my time working as a law clerk after graduating from law school in 2001). My salary right now (base, not including bonuses or income from my 2nd part time job) is not even 100K. Considering the fact that I had a double major/minor in college with a great GPA, had to deal with the LSAT, law school admissions, the BAR EXAM and bi-annual NY Attorney Registration Fees, plus student loan debt on top - it seems only fair that lawyers should demand a higher salary but unfortunately, lawyers these days are a dime a dozen and millions of entry level attorneys are earning barely 45-55K after graduation (and thats IF they can land a law related position).

Another attorney friend of mine works for the NYC Department of Environmental Protection as a compliance attorney - his salary is only $78K, and he has been practicing 10 years as well. He has to work weekends sometimes because of budget deadlines set by his department.

Teachers with 10 years experience and no extra credentials to their name other than a regular BA should not be getting 100K in my book. Sorry. I know teachers work hard, but for every great teacher that influences a young mind, there are 3 other teachers who are exorting taxpayers' money sitting in the rubber room playing Solitaire.

so no -I dont think 100K or even 80K is a fair salary. Between 50 and 80K would be just fine.

Message edited 2/20/2011 6:20:01 PM.

Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...

Posted by BatGirl9910

This is a difficult question, I did not pick the highest nor the lowest salary option, and don't really have time to read all the responses posted on this thread but I will offer only some insight to this debate:

I'm an attorney and have 6 years experience as an attorney under my belt (10 years if I include my time working as a law clerk after graduating from law school in 2001). My salary right now (base, not including bonuses or income from my 2nd part time job) is not even 100K. Considering the fact that I had a double major/minor in college with a great GPA, had to deal with the LSAT, law school admissions, the BAR EXAM and bi-annual NY Attorney Registration Fees, plus student loan debt on top - it seems only fair that lawyers should demand a higher salary but unfortunately, lawyers these days are a dime a dozen and millions of entry level attorneys are earning barely 45-55K after graduation (and thats IF they can land a law related position).

Another attorney friend of mine works for the NYC Department of Environmental Protection as a compliance attorney - his salary is only $78K, and he has been practicing 10 years as well. He has to work weekends sometimes because of budget deadlines set by his department.

Teachers with 10 years experience and no extra credentials to their name other than a regular BA should not be getting 100K in my book. Sorry. I know teachers work hard, but for every great teacher that influences a young mind, there are 3 other teachers who are exorting taxpayers' money sitting in the rubber room playing Solitaire.

so no -I dont think 100K or even 80K is a fair salary. Between 50 and 80K would be just fine.

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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...

I cannot believe this thread is still going on.

I cannot believe the things posted on here or the back and forth bickering going on.

Honestly... these people aren't cutting your checks... their opinions and statements are not going to change the figures of your next pay check. This goes to everyone: teachers, lawyers, bankers, FDNY, NYPD, pilots, military workers, etc. So really, does it matter what they think of what you are making?? I'll bet if they were real life friends of yours they wouldn't be saying half of these things to your faces.

sure in some cases tax money goes into some peoples salaries and that makes some feel as though they can say what they want because they are paying into it; especially on a chat forum. But all in all what they say and think really isn't going to make that much of a difference on the funds being deposited into your account.

Honestly, just stop paying attention to what people are saying and thinking and just smile sweetly when you get your next paycheck, not matter how high or low it is. the only person dictating your pay checks are your supervisors and superiors, no one on the LIF board.

It doesn't always matter what other people think, so long as you are satisfied with your own personal current status. The only person you have to answer to is yourself. Someone doesn't like your salary... OH WELL.

This has just gotten really out of hand and just ugly. It's time to move on. We don't need 1000 threads about the same crap bashing everyone. Please stop making new threads about this crap and just move on. In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter.

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I just wanted to say that reading some of the well thought out posts by some of the teachers on this board was really eye opening. DH and I both wanted to be teachers but the job market isn't that good. I knew I wanted to work with people so I went into nursing. I love my job (most days) just like the teachers on this board do. By having attractive salaries you can attract better candidates. To me that's the most important. Getting and retaining good teachers. And teaching our children is a very important job. I don't know much about salaries of teachers, nor am I going to pretend to. But I hope they are compensated fairly. I think conintuing education is important in professions and should also be compensated. It's an important job for our children and our country.