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LuvMyDH
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by MrsS2005
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I tried not to get involved in this thread, but I find it hard not to... I knew the groom and got very emotional just by reading all of the prvious posts... and its sad to see how this has whole thread has turned into something that it shouldnt have.
As was stated, we all do not know the facts and can not pass judgement. But I don't care what wnyone says 50 shots is EXCESSIVE...
I'll probably just end up rambling on this post but, this whole issue has been turned into the NYPD against the world and it shouldn't be.
I agree that we don't know all of the facts and shouldn't pass judgment. That also means not passing judgment on what the cops did. 50 shots (fired by several officers) may seem excessive to someone who has never fired a gun, but perhaps it wasn't excessive in this type of situation. We can speculate, but unless we know the whole story, I don't think we can determine whether their actions were justified.
If the men used the car as a deadly weapon and tried to run over a person, regardless of whether that person was a cop, I think the cops have a right to use whatever force necessary to stop it. I'm not saying they needed to fire 50 shots, but since I've never been in that type of situation, I can't say what they did was wrong either.
Let me ask this question. Now once again we are all speculating here, but according to the ONLY survivor... (The other guy who was hit 11 times died yesterday morning) They did not know they were cops... So if you see 7 men dressed in street clothes coming at you with guns, what is the first thing you are going to do? I know what I would do... I would hit the gas and hit everything in the way to get out of there, including the person that was trying to shoot at me. Now if that is the case do you still think 50 shots arent excessive?
According to the article that was posted, the minivan struck the pedestrian/cop, and then the officers responded by firing. To me, that seems like they were afraid for their safety. I didn't see anything similar to your account of what happened.
Didnt say it did... It was a what if?? the last article I read said they backed into the minivan that hit the officer...
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
I will keep my opinions to myself as not to add to the drama, but I will say that there is no way that we as the public know the whole story. The media tells us what they want us to know, and I dont think I can make a fair judgement without all the facts.
I will say that I cant stand Al Sharpton!! All he does is stir up trouble without knowing what really happened. His ugly face is always there when he percieves injustices toward black people, but other than ranting and raving on TV, what does he do to help his people? Do you see him doing charity work and improving the quality of life for them? If he was really an advocate for black people he would be out there helping those who are in need of assistance and offering opportunities for education, jobs, ect.
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| Posted 11/27/06 7:46 PM |
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by imagin916
I will keep my opinions to myself as not to add to the drama, but I will say that there is no way that we as the public know the whole story. The media tells us what they want us to know, and I dont think I can make a fair judgement without all the facts.
do you think Mayor Bloomberg knows all the facts?
b/c he just said that it's excessive with Commissor Kelly standing next to him
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by imagin916
I will keep my opinions to myself as not to add to the drama, but I will say that there is no way that we as the public know the whole story. The media tells us what they want us to know, and I dont think I can make a fair judgement without all the facts.
I will say that I cant stand Al Sharpton!! All he does is stir up trouble without knowing what really happened. His ugly face is always there when he percieves injustices toward black people, but other than ranting and raving on TV, what does he do to help his people? Do you see him doing charity work and improving the quality of life for them? If he was really an advocate for black people he would be out there helping those who are in need of assistance and offering opportunities for education, jobs, ect.
I can't agree with you more... My dad just called me and said he made his way down to Atlanta for something else... I hate him to the tenth power!
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by Hi-Fi55
Second - It's not completely Al Sharpton's fault, but let's be real, when does he not stick his head into this kind of action, when he doesn't want to draw attention to race. And the fact that he shows up to the victim's hospital bed. That man is a disgrace.
Exactly- Sharpton is a media ho and always looks for high profile things. A former student from my school was murdered several years ago and her case was never solved- and while I am not a fan I wondered why he wasn't screaming about this childs case, and why no progress was made. And it was because it wasn't high profile enough for him. Of course, if there was a white suspect he would have been all over it, but if he was a true "activist" he would care first about the victims.
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| Posted 11/27/06 8:07 PM |
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by Gertyrae
Moosey - I have to tell you three things
1-I agree with you 100% and believe that most people not involved in law enforcement have no idea how things work
2-The media sux!!!!
3-Happy Birthday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Agreed.
You are a hero for all your hard work and commitment-- trying to make the city a safer and better place and trying to help the ones that are good out there- and not giving up hope!
Happy Birthday!! 
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by nycchic24
When a cops life is at danger or at risk (like the fact that a car is coming at them, which is not a minor injury, especially when it repeatedly is coming at them) they have every right to make the determination to shoot. They can't sit and ponder for the next ten minutes about what they want to do. Everything happens in a flash. This all took place in less than a minute. 50 bullets - is that a lot. I'm sorry but no. It's takes 2 seconds to load another cartridge. Not 5 minutes, not 2, not even 1.
I cannot agree more with each and every word said here. Good for you!
Me too 
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by DaniRella
Posted by nycchic24
When a cops life is at danger or at risk (like the fact that a car is coming at them, which is not a minor injury, especially when it repeatedly is coming at them) they have every right to make the determination to shoot. They can't sit and ponder for the next ten minutes about what they want to do. Everything happens in a flash. This all took place in less than a minute. 50 bullets - is that a lot. I'm sorry but no. It's takes 2 seconds to load another cartridge. Not 5 minutes, not 2, not even 1.
I cannot agree more with each and every word said here. Good for you!
Me too
Because people are picking and choosing what they want to read, I am quoting myself, for the third time. THEY DID NOT HAVE THE "RIGHT" TO SHOOT. PERIOD.
Posted by Eva Luna
Posted by Hi-Fi55
When a cops life is at danger or at risk (like the fact that a car is coming at them, which is not a minor injury, especially when it repeatedly is coming at them) they have every right to make the determination to shoot. They can't sit and ponder for the next ten minutes about what they want to do. Everything happens in a flash. This all took place in less than a minute. 50 bullets - is that a lot. I'm sorry but no. It's takes 2 seconds to load another cartridge. Not 5 minutes, not 2, not even 1.
They do not...I'm re-quoting myself. It seems that not all responses are read.
The police department's policy on shooting at moving vehicles states: "Police officers shall not discharge their firearms at or from a moving vehicle, unless deadly force is being used against the police officers or another person present, by means other than a moving vehicle.''
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by LuvMyDH
Posted by nycchic24
I just wonder how many of us think about all the times that it could happen compared to the times that it actually does happen. Not that it makes it right on anyone's part but in my opinion I think we "could" hear so many more of these horror stories and we do not. I think thats pretty good considering what the cops have to face out there no?
I 100% agree
wow-- good point!!
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imagin916
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by MrsPJB2007
Posted by Beth1210
do you think Mayor Bloomberg knows all the facts?
b/c he just said that it's excessive with Commissor Kelly standing next to him
don't take this the wrong way....but bloomberg and kelly are politicians, and they will say whatever it takes to calm the public down and make everyone feel better.
contrary to what ppl might think, both the mayor and kelly will have no problem throwing these cops to the lions, if that's what it takes to calm the public perspective down. 5 cops is nothing to them, they'll have 5 more recruits lined up tomorrow to take their jobs.
do you really think the mayor, knowing how the public reaction is, and racial tension is gonna stand there and say it was NOT excessive? c'mon! he knows he HAS to say it, cause if he didn't, he'd get thrown under the bus, figuratively speaking!
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by MrsPJB2007
Posted by Beth1210
do you think Mayor Bloomberg knows all the facts?
b/c he just said that it's excessive with Commissor Kelly standing next to him
don't take this the wrong way....but bloomberg and kelly are politicians, and they will say whatever it takes to calm the public down and make everyone feel better.
contrary to what ppl might think, both the mayor and kelly will have no problem throwing these cops to the lions, if that's what it takes to calm the public perspective down. 5 cops is nothing to them, they'll have 5 more recruits lined up tomorrow to take their jobs.
do you really think the mayor, knowing how the public reaction is, and racial tension is gonna stand there and say it was NOT excessive? c'mon! he knows he HAS to say it, cause if he didn't, he'd get thrown under the bus, figuratively speaking!
Again, Melissa- THANK YOU FOR THE DOSE OF REALITY!!!!!!! SO TRUE AND I CANNOT AGREE MORE WITH YOU!!! Ladies, read the above post and read it AGAIN... this is the way it works. This is the way the world is-- not perfect, but it's the truth.
Thanks Melissa!!!
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by Eva Luna
Posted by DaniRella
Because people are picking and choosing what they want to read, I am quoting myself, for the third time. THEY DID NOT HAVE THE "RIGHT" TO SHOOT. PERIOD.
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I am reading everything-- every last word and picking what I agree with. If you disagree- I respect you 110%- we are just different. It's OK.
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by DaniRella
Posted by Eva Luna
Posted by DaniRella
Because people are picking and choosing what they want to read, I am quoting myself, for the third time. THEY DID NOT HAVE THE "RIGHT" TO SHOOT. PERIOD.
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I am reading everything-- every last word and picking what I agree with. If you disagree- I respect you 110%- we are just different. It's OK.
It's not whether you agree or disagree. It's what they're instructed to do vs. what they did.
Yes, we are different.
I thank God every day for making us all different.
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DaniJude
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by Eva Luna
Posted by DaniRella
Posted by Eva Luna
Posted by DaniRella
Because people are picking and choosing what they want to read, I am quoting myself, for the third time. THEY DID NOT HAVE THE "RIGHT" TO SHOOT. PERIOD.
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I am reading everything-- every last word and picking what I agree with. If you disagree- I respect you 110%- we are just different. It's OK.
It's not whether you agree or disagree. It's what they're instructed to do vs. what they did.
Yes, we are different.
I thank God every day for making us all different.
I'm right with you in thanking God on that one.
And you believe what you want and I have a different opinion- regardless of what is written in the "rules"... In reality, sometimes those rules get thrown out the window. Right? not 100% but I think it is, in some cases, justified.
I know that you don't agree w/ that at all- and that's fine- I will NOT argue against how you feel or tell you that how you feel is wrong- EVER. I feel you have every right to believe the way that you do.
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by MrsPJB2007
Posted by Beth1210
do you think Mayor Bloomberg knows all the facts?
b/c he just said that it's excessive with Commissor Kelly standing next to him
don't take this the wrong way....but bloomberg and kelly are politicians, and they will say whatever it takes to calm the public down and make everyone feel better.
contrary to what ppl might think, both the mayor and kelly will have no problem throwing these cops to the lions, if that's what it takes to calm the public perspective down. 5 cops is nothing to them, they'll have 5 more recruits lined up tomorrow to take their jobs.
do you really think the mayor, knowing how the public reaction is, and racial tension is gonna stand there and say it was NOT excessive? c'mon! he knows he HAS to say it, cause if he didn't, he'd get thrown under the bus, figuratively speaking!
Truer words were never spoken. It's all about how they look in the public eye. That's their jobs as politicians.
Thanks for posting this!
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| Posted 11/27/06 9:08 PM |
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Truer words were never spoken. It's all about how they look in the public eye. That's their jobs as politicians.
Thanks for posting this!
really? I don't consider Bloomberg a politican - most people don't
and I looked up 2 past cases of unarmed men being shot by the police
Amadau Diallo and Patrick Dorismond- Guiliani and the Police Comissioner at the time- backed the police department- from day 1
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by LuvMyDH
I tried not to get involved in this thread, but I find it hard not to... I knew the groom and got very emotional just by reading all of the prvious posts... and its sad to see how this has whole thread has turned into something that it shouldnt have.
As was stated, we all do not know the facts and can not pass judgement. But I don't care what wnyone says 50 shots is EXCESSIVE...
I'll probably just end up rambling on this post but, this whole issue has been turned into the NYPD against the world and it shouldn't be.
completely 100% agree
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Is everyone forgetting that INSIDE the club, the "bouncer" who's friend was killled, was armed inside the club and that the cop INSIDE the club witnessed him vow to a dancer to "take care of the situation" while rubbing his gun? The only guy to get away from the cops was this bouncer, suddenly he's not quick to step up to the situation.
The undercover cop knew he was armed, called for backup, they came at him and the cops protected themselves.
It's very sad that a man was shot multiple times and we can all argue "excessive force" but the truth is is that none of were there, none of us are trained to react in the situation and thank God for the NYPD b/c while there are horrific events that happen every few years when you take a look at all the crimes the prevent and protect us from they're doing a hell of a job for being understaffed and underpaid.
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MrsPJB2007
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by Beth1210
really? I don't consider Bloomberg a politican - most people don't
and I looked up 2 past cases of unarmed men being shot by the police
Amadau Diallo and Patrick Dorismond- Guiliani and the Police Comissioner at the time- backed the police department- from day 1
those cases were several years ago--and it was a different dept. then. guilianni was a different mayor, when it came to cops. he was always quick to side with them...but in this day and age, it's MUCH different with bloomberg and kelly. they know they have to appeal to the public, and therfore public opinion.
and believe you me, bloomberg IS a politician. he might be just the mayor of NYC today, but remember he's a BILLIONAIRE, and when his time is up in the city, he will probably have higher aspirations for government.
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| Posted 11/27/06 10:21 PM |
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by HollaGirl
I wonder what Sharpton would say if it was a black cop that shot him.
It was a black cop that shot him.
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by Marybeth222
Posted by HollaGirl
I wonder what Sharpton would say if it was a black cop that shot him.
It was a black cop that shot him.
I heard it is a Black cop also. To me it does not matter what color is the cop I do believe it is very excessive. My point from day one it is not color of the cop skin but rather the excessive amount of shots that was fired.
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Marybeth222
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by BellaPaige
Posted by Marybeth222
Posted by HollaGirl
I wonder what Sharpton would say if it was a black cop that shot him.
It was a black cop that shot him.
I heard it is a Black cop also. To me it does not matter what color is the cop I do believe it is very excessive. My point from day one it is not color of the cop skin but rather the excessive amount of shots that was fired.
I was just responding to the quote that I wonder what Sharpton would say if it was a black cop. Color doesn't matter to me. I'm just stating a fact.
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by Marybeth222
Posted by BellaPaige
Posted by Marybeth222
Posted by HollaGirl
I wonder what Sharpton would say if it was a black cop that shot him.
It was a black cop that shot him.
I heard it is a Black cop also. To me it does not matter what color is the cop I do believe it is very excessive. My point from day one it is not color of the cop skin but rather the excessive amount of shots that was fired.
I was just responding to the quote that I wonder what Sharpton would say if it was a black cop. Color doesn't matter to me. I'm just stating a fact.
My post was not directed at you I was just speaking in general. Sorry if you my post refelects that.
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by kam29
Is everyone forgetting that INSIDE the club, the "bouncer" who's friend was killled, was armed inside the club and that the cop INSIDE the club witnessed him vow to a dancer to "take care of the situation" while rubbing his gun? The only guy to get away from the cops was this bouncer, suddenly he's not quick to step up to the situation.
The undercover cop knew he was armed, called for backup, they came at him and the cops protected themselves.
It's very sad that a man was shot multiple times and we can all argue "excessive force" but the truth is is that none of were there, none of us are trained to react in the situation and thank God for the NYPD b/c while there are horrific events that happen every few years when you take a look at all the crimes the prevent and protect us from they're doing a hell of a job for being understaffed and underpaid.
Unfortunately, NYPD does not get the recognition they deserve for when they save someones life or they put their life on the line but when something like this comes out it gets front page and it's always oh its NYPD being NYPD again. Granted, I do think that 50 shots is excessive however, like I said earlier, we weren't there and I can't speak for anyone.
I know that my DH has a very stressful job and I'm proud of him and give him a lot of credit for what he does.
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