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mrswask
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Re: Friday Night Debate Topic...
Posted by CathyB
If *my* child were that allergic to peanuts I wouldn't be flying for fear of what happens when people don't want to refrain, but that's just me.
That was my point in posing that question originally - was it the safest or smartest idea to fly if your child is in that situation - not that they don't have the right to fly, but if my child was THAT allergic, I personally would not want to take any risk and fly.
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Re: Friday Night Debate Topic...
I also think its not fair to ask people to refrain from flying becuase of an allergy.
What if you need to go someplace that only makes sense to fly too? Say if the childs parents were from another country- Japan is the one I'm randomly picking. Should the child never go there and see its relatives and grandparents because they happen to have an allergy? I'm sure you could take a boat or something, but for most people the time would not be feasible.
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| Posted 8/22/08 10:37 PM |
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Re: Friday Night Debate Topic...
i thought this one time, at first, also. what happened was we were on a flight and they made an announcement that they will not be handing out peanuts b/c someone on the flight had an allergy. i thought, can't they just not give it to that person? why can't the rest of us have some? now, i don't even like peanuts but then DH told me that if someone's allergy is bad enough - just the smell or the particles of the peanuts being in the AIR can cause an asthma atttack or distress.
i had no idea! then, i was like ok fine! no problem! lol.
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| Posted 8/22/08 11:21 PM |
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Re: Friday Night Debate Topic...
Posted by KK-Holiday
i think it's wrong to think that people with allergies should change their lifestyle (by not flying) to be accomodating. i'm sure people on the flight can go like 3 hours without a peanut so a kid can breathe....JMO
EXACTLY! It's not like it's the child or parents' decision for their kid to have an allergy. They cannot help it. You would hope that as a compassionate society that we could understand this and be at least a little accomodating for that poor child. An anaphylactic reaction is not something to take lightly. We're not talking hives, we're talking not being able to breathe and dying. And an epi-pen buys you 15 minutes, that's it.
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| Posted 8/22/08 11:25 PM |
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Re: Friday Night Debate Topic...
With the severity of some peanut allergies, I would personally have NO problem complying with that request. However, I don't think that the parents should book a trip expecting that every passenger will refrain from eating peanuts or peanut derived products. I think it is fair to make the request, but that it can't be enforced.
If I were the parent I would do whatever i could to keep my child safe, including making that request, having an epi pen on hand, etc.
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| Posted 8/22/08 11:29 PM |
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Re: Friday Night Debate Topic...
Posted by KK-Holiday
i think it's wrong to think that people with allergies should change their lifestyle (by not flying) to be accomodating. i'm sure people on the flight can go like 3 hours without a peanut so a kid can breathe....JMO
I refuse to fly without a peanut.
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| Posted 8/22/08 11:33 PM |
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Re: Friday Night Debate Topic...
I think the severity of a peanut allergy outweighs inconvenience of throwing away a packed PB&J or any other peanut product. When you really look at it, it's really a minor inconvenience that can save someone's life. It isn't realistic for people w/ such severe allergies not to fly. I don't think it's any more inconvenient than removing your shoes or going through a carry-on at security...it's a small inconvenience that can save lives.
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| Posted 8/22/08 11:43 PM |
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hbugal
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Re: Friday Night Debate Topic...
I dont know...this is one of those things that you are damned if you do damned if you dont...
In my girls school several children have peanut allergies..if your child is in a class with the children who have these allergies you are given a memo at the beginning of the year "requesting" that your child doesnt come into school with any offending foods..
My only problem with this is that...say your child brings in a peanut butter sandwich for lunch. Your child is made to sit at another table b/c the child with the allergy cant be singled out. But then they are singling out your child b/c he's eating peanut butter..
Here's just a thought...my daughter has Down Syndrome and is high functioning Autistic. She is extremely sensitive to loud noises...it's honestly painful for her. If we are invited to a wedding or something I either dont take her with me or I have her wear ear plugs. I dont ask the bride and groom to have the DJ turn down the volume...
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| Posted 8/22/08 11:43 PM |
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Re: Friday Night Debate Topic...
as a mother of a child who has a peanut allergy I want to thank all of you that would sacrifice your PB&J for a couple hours to protect my sons life.
We recently went on a cruise, and I was fanatic about what he ate, where he ate, who he sat near. I called the cruiseline ahead of time to make sure they could accomodate his needs. maybe these parents called different airlines and specifically flew this company because they would make the announcement.
We all want our children to have normal lives. One with an allergy or any disability should be entitled to the same rights as anyone else.
It is a slight inconvenience for some but a MAJOR factor for others.
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| Posted 8/22/08 11:44 PM |
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rose825
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Re: Friday Night Debate Topic...
Posted by hbugal
I dont know...this is one of those things that you are damned if you do damned if you dont...
In my girls school several children have peanut allergies..if your child is in a class with the children who have these allergies you are given a memo at the beginning of the year "requesting" that your child doesnt come into school with any offending foods..
My only problem with this is that...say your child brings in a peanut butter sandwich for lunch. Your child is made to sit at another table b/c the child with the allergy cant be singled out. But then they are singling out your child b/c he's eating peanut butter..
Here's just a thought...my daughter has Down Syndrome and is high functioning Autistic. She is extremely sensitive to loud noises...it's honestly painful for her. If we are invited to a wedding or something I either dont take her with me or I have her wear ear plugs. I dont ask the bride and groom to have the DJ turn down the volume...
I understand what you are saying but your child doesnt HAVE to eat PB.
And loud music might be painful, it wont KILL her.
If DS was invited to a peanut butter party, I would of course leave him home as opposed to asking the host to serve something different. But my kid HAS to and has a right to go to school.
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| Posted 8/22/08 11:47 PM |
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Re: Friday Night Debate Topic...
I wouldn't mind refraining from eating peanuts for one flight. I am sure there were people who couldn't be bothered but I think its a kind of coutsey thing and if it was you or a loved one you would hope others would be respectful of your condition.
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| Posted 8/23/08 12:07 AM |
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BaroqueMama
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Re: Friday Night Debate Topic...
I just can't believe anyone would have a problem refraining from eating peanuts and/or peanut butter if someone onboard has a life-threatening allergy. That's basically saying F U to someone who cannot help their life threatening situation. What does that say about you? I'm sorry, but I think that's self-centered and pretty down-right sad. We're not talking some hives and itching, we're talking deadly reaction, throat closing up. How is this even a debate? Do you know what it's like to have an allergy like that? It's awful. And as I stated before, an epi-pen is only good for 15 minutes and is really only to buy the person time to get to a hospital. And of course these people have every right to fly. Why shouldn't they? Because you're too insensitive to care about whether or not they die? What has this country come to if people know someone onboard could die, but don't care? It's truly sad to me. Flame me all you want, but it's how I feel. And I'm usually the one to tell someone to suck it up, but in this case, absolutely not.
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| Posted 8/23/08 12:37 AM |
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Re: Friday Night Debate Topic...
Posted by ave1024
Depends.
I would sure hope this kid is DEATHLY allergic of peanuts for the parents to go through this kind of trouble.
If it's something that's very rarely done or announced, I guess I wouldn't have an issue with it.
But if I am a frequent flyer and I am hearing these announcements every third or fourth flight then it would start to bother me.
ITA with this, for the entire plane to be forbiden to eat peanuts sounds really ridiculous, however it sounds like for the safety of one person an entire plane could live without peanuts for one night!
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| Posted 8/23/08 12:56 AM |
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Re: Friday Night Debate Topic...
Posted by mathteach
Does anyone ever wonder why when we were younger hardly anyone was allergic to anything? I think I knew one lactose intolerant person growing up.
But to answer the OP, I'm sure the airlines are trying to minimize their liability in making the announcement, but it would suck if you had packed only peanut products to eat on the plane.
ITA, but if I know that eating my sandwich would possibly harm someone I'd run & get a ham & cheese. Some of the allergies are so severe that if the aroma of the peanut gets near the kid it can cause a reaction. My friend is allergic to peanuts & there is nothing she can take preventatively, and she has to use an epi-pen & get to the Dr/Hospital within 5 minutes or risk shock.
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| Posted 8/23/08 7:17 AM |
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Re: Friday Night Debate Topic...
Posted by mrswask
Posted by CathyB
If *my* child were that allergic to peanuts I wouldn't be flying for fear of what happens when people don't want to refrain, but that's just me.
That was my point in posing that question originally - was it the safest or smartest idea to fly if your child is in that situation - not that they don't have the right to fly, but if my child was THAT allergic, I personally would not want to take any risk and fly.
What if there was an emergency? My entire family lives in England. My Auntie is 90. If I had to get there, I have no other reasonable options but to fly. I think, honestly, no one is going to die from NOT eating a peanut. But if my child needs to get somewhere, then you are dammned straight I would hope that people would understand and show a little compassion.
It amazes me that this is even a question. When did people stop looking out for each other? If I had to weigh my desire to eat a certain food vs the safety of another human being it would not even cross my mind that I would not help. 
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| Posted 8/23/08 7:23 AM |
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hbugal
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Re: Friday Night Debate Topic...
Posted by rose825
Posted by hbugal
I dont know...this is one of those things that you are damned if you do damned if you dont...
In my girls school several children have peanut allergies..if your child is in a class with the children who have these allergies you are given a memo at the beginning of the year "requesting" that your child doesnt come into school with any offending foods..
My only problem with this is that...say your child brings in a peanut butter sandwich for lunch. Your child is made to sit at another table b/c the child with the allergy cant be singled out. But then they are singling out your child b/c he's eating peanut butter..
Here's just a thought...my daughter has Down Syndrome and is high functioning Autistic. She is extremely sensitive to loud noises...it's honestly painful for her. If we are invited to a wedding or something I either dont take her with me or I have her wear ear plugs. I dont ask the bride and groom to have the DJ turn down the volume...
I understand what you are saying but your child doesnt HAVE to eat PB.
And loud music might be painful, it wont KILL her.
If DS was invited to a peanut butter party, I would of course leave him home as opposed to asking the host to serve something different. But my kid HAS to and has a right to go to school.
Oh I agree with you completely. My girls WONT eat peanut butter or any offending foods if they are in a peanut allergy classroom...Most of the kids take their classmates food allergies very seriously.
I wouldnt have any problem refraining from eating any offending foods...as on the plane..or serving offending food...if my girls were friends with one of the children with the food allergy (they arent b/c they are all boys and they still think boys are icky) if these kids were invited to a party at our home.
It's just one of those things though with no easy answer. I personally dont find my right to eat peanuts all that important to me. But I know, from experience with my girls and school, that apparently there are others that do...
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| Posted 8/23/08 7:40 AM |
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Re: Friday Night Debate Topic...
For me, it would not matter if a child or adult had a life threatening illness/sickness to stay away from something and not pose a health risk to them. It would just be for the length of the flight, not my entire trip. I just could not break out a PB&J sandwhich knowing that in a non ventilated area just the smell could make them sick, I would keep it locked up in my food bag.
But this post has made me realize that when I do fly in the future, I will pack a few small bags of different things in case this is ever an issue.
I know if it was my life being put at risk or someone in my family - I would be grateful for those who understood that medical attention is limited in the skies and life is too precious not to take the notice from the airline seriously.
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| Posted 8/23/08 7:42 AM |
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Re: Friday Night Debate Topic...
Many of you know I used to work for Southwest, the self-proclaimed *peanut airline*. SWA has served peanuts on their flights for 30+ years.
Many times we would be informed that a flight we were about to work was a "peanut flight" (i.e.- NO peanuts due to allergy). We always happily complied.
I was often surprised at the number of people who complained about not getting their nuts on inflight. One guy actually said, "So, because of one kid, we ALL have to suffer?" I just stood there with my mouth agape for about a minute. Then I told him, "Not getting peanuts on a 2 hour flight is hardly suffering- but anaphylaxis at 30,000 feet is...." He still didn't get it. 
At the same time, I was surprised at the number of people who had children with SEVERE allergies (NO peanut products anywhere, not even peanut butter in the back of the cabin) yet they still chose to fly us. Lemme tell you, there is YEARS of peanut dust inside some of those older planes. Yes, the planes are vacuumed every night, but the filters aren't changed, and the "nooks and crannys' aren't deep cleaned. Even with the vacuuming, we would often still find crushed peanuts everywhere.
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| Posted 8/23/08 7:55 AM |
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Re: Friday Night Debate Topic...
Posted by mrswask
Posted by CathyB
If *my* child were that allergic to peanuts I wouldn't be flying for fear of what happens when people don't want to refrain, but that's just me.
That was my point in posing that question originally - was it the safest or smartest idea to fly if your child is in that situation - not that they don't have the right to fly, but if my child was THAT allergic, I personally would not want to take any risk and fly.
I kind of agree with this!! I dont think I could trust a whole plane full of people.. Especially if they have that food/candy stand in the air port and someone just bought $12 or more worth of peanuts.. I can almost bet they will sneak them.. So if that would cause something really bad to happen to my child I would be a wreck.. Yes everyone has the right to fly but as a parent I might think twice about trusting others so much.. People who know nothing about this and are ignorant may say oh please whats the big deal and break them out!
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| Posted 8/23/08 8:15 AM |
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Re: Friday Night Debate Topic...
Posted by Porrruss
Many of you know I used to work for Southwest, the self-proclaimed *peanut airline*. SWA has served peanuts on their flights for 30+ years.
Many times we would be informed that a flight we were about to work was a "peanut flight" (i.e.- NO peanuts due to allergy). We always happily complied.
I was often surprised at the number of people who complained about not getting their nuts on inflight. One guy actually said, "So, because of one kid, we ALL have to suffer?" I just stood there with my mouth agape for about a minute. Then I told him, "Not getting peanuts on a 2 hour flight is hardly suffering- but anaphylaxis at 30,000 feet is...." He still didn't get it.
At the same time, I was surprised at the number of people who had children with SEVERE allergies (NO peanut products anywhere, not even peanut butter in the back of the cabin) yet they still chose to fly us. Lemme tell you, there is YEARS of peanut dust inside some of those older planes. Yes, the planes are vacuumed every night, but the filters aren't changed, and the "nooks and crannys' aren't deep cleaned. Even with the vacuuming, we would often still find crushed peanuts everywhere.
Wow! For someone w/a severe peanut allergy, even not serving them could be deadly
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| Posted 8/23/08 8:16 AM |
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chelle
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Re: Friday Night Debate Topic...
Posted by cj7305
Posted by KK-Holiday
i think it's wrong to think that people with allergies should change their lifestyle (by not flying) to be accomodating. i'm sure people on the flight can go like 3 hours without a peanut so a kid can breathe....JMO
LOL, ITA!
I most definitely agree with you too!
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| Posted 8/23/08 9:01 AM |
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It would be a lot more inconvenient to ignore the announcement only to find that your peanut eating had caused an allergic reaction and the plane was now diverting to the nearest airport to land and get this child to a hospital.
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| Posted 8/23/08 9:19 AM |
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Posted by prncss
I just can't believe anyone would have a problem refraining from eating peanuts and/or peanut butter if someone onboard has a life-threatening allergy. That's basically saying F U to someone who cannot help their life threatening situation. What does that say about you? I'm sorry, but I think that's self-centered and pretty down-right sad. We're not talking some hives and itching, we're talking deadly reaction, throat closing up. How is this even a debate? Do you know what it's like to have an allergy like that? It's awful. And as I stated before, an epi-pen is only good for 15 minutes and is really only to buy the person time to get to a hospital. And of course these people have every right to fly. Why shouldn't they? Because you're too insensitive to care about whether or not they die? What has this country come to if people know someone onboard could die, but don't care? It's truly sad to me. Flame me all you want, but it's how I feel. And I'm usually the one to tell someone to suck it up, but in this case, absolutely not.
ITA
And, if someone has a medical emergency, the plane will be diverted and forced to land somewhere else, causing everyone a much greater inconvenience than not opening their peanut products on the plane.
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| Posted 8/23/08 9:46 AM |
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Re: Friday Night Debate Topic...
Posted by KK-Holiday
i think it's wrong to think that people with allergies should change their lifestyle (by not flying) to be accomodating. i'm sure people on the flight can go like 3 hours without a peanut so a kid can breathe....JMO
I agree.. personally I dont think its a big deal at all. I think if someone had a problem with that then they shouldnt be flying 
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| Posted 8/23/08 9:50 AM |
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mrswask
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Re: Friday Night Debate Topic...
Posted by Porrruss
At the same time, I was surprised at the number of people who had children with SEVERE allergies (NO peanut products anywhere, not even peanut butter in the back of the cabin) yet they still chose to fly us. Lemme tell you, there is YEARS of peanut dust inside some of those older planes. Yes, the planes are vacuumed every night, but the filters aren't changed, and the "nooks and crannys' aren't deep cleaned. Even with the vacuuming, we would often still find crushed peanuts everywhere.
That's what I'm getting at. I think I'd be so concerned about taking my child on a flight due to reasons like this. I'm sure that the time a cleaning crew takes to "turn over" a flight before the next group boards does not include steam cleaning, vacuuming, and deep cleaning the all spaces and crevices between seats. I would appreciate if the airline had it announced as a peanut-free flight, but more concerned about was what there before that flight. I'm curious if airlines that offer peanut free flights (I believed another poster said some offer this) use the same plane every time. Is it truly a peanut-free plane?
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