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MrsFlatbread
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Re: Controversial issue, spinning off the Supreme Court decision
Posted by Ellebelle1
There's so much more to diversity than just race... there's diversity in ideas, culture, etc. I don't think the government should force it. By forcing diversity, you end up discriminating.
exactly. I think eventually it will happen, it does not need to be forced.
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Re: Controversial issue, spinning off the Supreme Court decision
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Posted by Ellebelle1
There's so much more to diversity than just race... there's diversity in ideas, culture, etc. I don't think the government should force it. By forcing diversity, you end up discriminating.
exactly. I think eventually it will happen, it does not need to be forced.
I completely disagree. It has been over 50 years since Brown v. Board of Education, and there are still plenty of segregated neighborhoods and schools. If nothing is done, the segregation in these areas is going to continue.
These school plans are implemented when the racial and ethnic makeup of the school is drastically different than the makeup of the town or city.
I think there are many benefits to having racially and ethnically diverse schools. Although particular neighborhoods may be segregated, diverse schools will expose students to different people, cultures and ideas.
While race shouldn't be the only factor in determining where a student attends school, I think it should be taken into account in order to foster more diverse schools. I'm not really sure how to achieve diversity in some of these schools without considering race or ethnicity, whether directly or indirectly, at some point.
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Re: Controversial issue, spinning off the Supreme Court decision
So, I'm going to put it out there - do you think that racial diversity is important for secondary schools?
Yes, I think that racial diversity is very important in schools.
Should the schools be allowed to balance schools and classrooms to promote diversity in the classroom?
Yes, I believe that they should.
Is there a benefit to growing up in a racially diverse school environment?
Yes, the benefit is that you do not see people as a "color" or "creed" but as who they are. As individuals not as a whole group. I went to diverse schools and I have friends of all nationalities, colors and creeds. You always have something to learn from each other.
And, if you think it is important, now that the Court has ruled that secondary schools cannot base class and school assignments on race, in what other ways can they achieve diversity in the classroom then?
Where I am from, it is not so much an issue because I live in a diverse neighborhood and in most of NYC and the boroughs, even if you have a span of space that is ethnocentric, a few blocks away there is another span that is also ethnocentric, but different nationality (does that make sense?). So, you still have diversity over a large plane of space. In those areas this is not such a big deal because you will still have diversity in schools.
There are many places that are not so diverse and that is where I struggle. If you can not re-direct students based on race, then in just a few years, you will have a whole school of one race or ethnicity. That is just bringing us back in time. In places like this, it is impossible for diversity to happen naturally, as others have said.
Also, some people had mentioned that acceptance to a school should not be based on race. That is a whole other issue and has nothing to do with this. This is about the placement of students in public school districts. Acceptance of students is a different issue. ETS: That is more an issue of affirmative action.
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Re: Controversial issue, spinning off the Supreme Court decision
I totally disgree with this. I have worked in many of these "bad schools" and the teachers were the same exact amazing teachers as in the "good schools". It's just not the teachers faults that the schools are failing. These teachers just couldn't find jobs on Long Island or somewhere better because the market is totally flooded.
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what they need to do is bus TEACHERS and ADMINISTRATORS into these "bad" schools that will be able to make a difference. Then the kids that go to the "bad" schools will go to a BETTER high school/college...based on MERIT, not on skin color.
ITA - but that means that they need to pay inner city school teachers the same, if not more, than the suburbs. Which the taxpayers arent willing to do!
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Re: Controversial issue, spinning off the Supreme Court decision
Posted by Ellebelle1
I totally disgree with this. I have worked in many of these "bad schools" and the teachers were the same exact amazing teachers as in the "good schools". It's just not the teachers faults that the schools are failing. These teachers just couldn't find jobs on Long Island or somewhere better because the market is totally flooded.
I was not insinuating that it is the teachers fault at all.
there needs to be more incentive for good teachers to deal with everything that comes with teaching at a "bad" school.
why deal with extra BS for the same or lesser $$....
more funding needs to be provided for UPDATED books, CLEAN schools....these kids need to feel safe and WANTED....and the teachers do as well.
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Re: Controversial issue, spinning off the Supreme Court decision
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by MrsFlatbread
Posted by Ellebelle1
There's so much more to diversity than just race... there's diversity in ideas, culture, etc. I don't think the government should force it. By forcing diversity, you end up discriminating.
exactly. I think eventually it will happen, it does not need to be forced.
I completely disagree. It has been over 50 years since Brown v. Board of Education, and there are still plenty of segregated neighborhoods and schools. If nothing is done, the segregation in these areas is going to continue.
These school plans are implemented when the racial and ethnic makeup of the school is drastically different than the makeup of the town or city.
I think there are many benefits to having racially and ethnically diverse schools. Although particular neighborhoods may be segregated, diverse schools will expose students to different people, cultures and ideas.
While race shouldn't be the only factor in determining where a student attends school, I think it should be taken into account in order to foster more diverse schools. I'm not really sure how to achieve diversity in some of these schools without considering race or ethnicity, whether directly or indirectly, at some point.
I guess it's time for me to add my opinion - I agree with the above post - I completely disagree that, with time, diversity will increase in the schools. If nothing else, the past 40 years have shown the opposite result. While towns and neighborhoods are growing in terms of diversity, there are clear, CLEAR economic lines that are being drawn, and while the town itself has significant diversity, the schools are not reflecting that same diversity. So, what's happening is that, while segregation was ruled against in Brown, it's happening "naturally" now. The nice part of town, that receives significant funding from the non-white sections, ends up having a better school, that is predominantly white, while the not-so-nice part of town, that receives significantly less funding from taxes because of socioeconomic reasons, has a school that performs much worse, and is predominately black.
It's exactly that reason why several schools in the South were under orders by the U.S. Department of Education to institute measures to "de-segregate". Those measures have worked, and in recent years, the order was lifted. The way those schools mitigated the problem was to institute racial balancing to ensure that the school population accurately reflected the same distribution of minorities in the community.
The problem is, now that these schools are restricted from even considering race, it's going to be a difficult task to ensure that the classroom accurately reflects the neighborhood in terms of diversity. The trend will go backwards, and unless they find more "creative" ways of ensuring diversity, it wil continue onward.
I agree - race should never be the *only* consideration in balancing the population of a classroom - but, considering our long history of discrimination, the only way to remedy it, and set us back on the right path, is to at least consider it as one factor of many.
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Re: Controversial issue, spinning off the Supreme Court decision
Posted by Bxgell2
I agree - race should never be the *only* consideration in balancing the population of a classroom - but, considering our long history of discrimination, the only way to remedy it, and set us back on the right path, is to at least consider it as one factor of many.
I agree, in an ideal socety we shouldn't have to consider race as a factor, but this society is far from ideal- we've come a long way since the days of segregation (at least since it was legal), but in terms of actual time it hasn't been that long at all.
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