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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
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Yes, I feel I deserve what I make.
But I don't come on here and beotch about my job and poor me, blah blah blah. Don't keep justifying OVER AND OVER of why you should get the day off.
I could understand the "safety" argument but telling us that they have meetings, and the grades, etc... What the heck does it have to do with the freaking snow?
I don't even know the point of this whole thread.
Plenty of people made it to work today. Some did not. Some will have to cover for their co-workers who did not make it in.
That's life! Stop being a cry baby about it. Poor me Poor me I work so hard all year long.
Yes, teachers work a lot. No doubt. I have teacher friends. I know what they do. But honestly I am really tired of this constant insinuation on the boards that they work SOOO much harder than other people. This is so condescending to other people who work.
Where's that "like" button when you need it?
And at the end of the day, Bloomberg DID close schools today (and justifiably so)! In the last storm (during which I thought we beat the topic to death), he did not because it just wasnt bad enough in the CITY. If you choose to live far from your job and commute, that is your problem, just like it's mine in the private sector.
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
No one EVER said anything negative on here just answered why its inconvenient to close down NYC schools. That was asked - opinion. No one rambled about working - i think everyone praised teachers on here for the most part.
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
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TBH, I'm not jealous of teachers. There is good & bad to every job...but I'm hard pressed to find the bad with jobs in the Caribbean right now.
skin cancer from all that time teaching windsurfing and cirrhosis from one too many tiki bar mojitos. 
and then there are the hurricane closings.
some schools only close if it a cat 3 or higher. 
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
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but I get sick and tired of hearing how teachers do nothing, it's the easiest job, all we do is have vacation, yada yada yada. It's a hard job, any teacher can tell you that. . And my answer is everyone who complains about teachers time off whether is be a snow day or the summer is............you could've been a teacher too, you're not, so get over it.
no one. said that. on this thread. at all.
no one is complaining that you got a snow day. everyone is sucking it up. the question was asked whether it's inconvenient and we answered why. of course it is. but we understand why and we suck it up. call in to work. beg granny to come over. or leave the kids alone and pray.
but the idea that every time in is FUBAR in LI that NYC should close the schools is absolutely outrageous, and the biggest reason that NYC parents are getting ****** off and are pressing for some sort of legislation. and if that ball starts rolling, teachers are going to have a lot more issues than a few inches of snow.
Which group is this? I follow the NYC Public School Parents blog and I've never read any mention of parents pressing for legislation regarding a residency requirement for teachers.
not sure if its an official group, but it has been mentioned on the news and I've heard parents where I live starting to rumble about it.
and I don't pay attention much b/c my son is not yet of school age (my nieces are) so if I heard it, it was fairly loud.
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
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Teachers already have plenty of issues working in the $hithole that is the NYC Public School System. Sorry, but it's a MESS. The entire school system is a mess. A snow day is the LEAST of their problems. 
Nobody will ever understand what you mean by "mess" because they are not there and teaching. It is fustrating seeing how my husband's school is run compared to the schools in my area in NYC. There are just so many factors when teaching in some areas of the city that most will never realize until they have been there. I am sure most do not have to worry about elementary school students having weapons with their jobs. Not saying my job is more demanding than yours, just saying we have so many factors in our job. I think the whole snow day issue gets taken personally by teachers, because we have people high up making decisions about our jobs and the students education that have NO idea about education. They want to measure how well I am as a teacher by giving us checklists, making sure our boards are done, and havestudents being assessed on their grade level. (sorry you can't assess a child's progress who is in 6th grade if they are reading on a 1st grade level)>
Just wanted to add that I don't think that just one person should be deciding to close all of NYC Schools. It should be done by region. It is illogical to think that just because the snow isn't bad in Manhattan that it is ok in other areas also.
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
This thread is ridiculous. Of course it is an inconvenience when schools are closed whether it is NYC schools or LI schools. I am a NYC teacher and I understand that.
A few weeks ago when it snowed over a foot here and none in NYC I used a sick day. Daycare was closed and I had no choice.
Today I was ready to get up and go because DH was home and daycare only had a delayed opening. Luckily for me that I didn't have to.
Does it suck when every district around you is closed and you are leaving your house at 5am to get on a train that may or may not show up in the station? Yes
It also sucks to work in a job where there are never going to be snow days.
I don't know why this always is a debate.
For what it is worth that day that I called in, I had a total of 5 students show up for the day.
As for NYC passing legislation so teachers have to live in the 5 boroughs.....good luck with that. You would lose thousands of excellent teachers and the majority of us cannot afford to live in NYC which is why we live out here.
As for the person that said you chose to teach in NYC....well that is debatable. NYC is the only place I could get a teaching job. I would love to have a 5 minute commute but I don't. So if school is closed YAY and if not then I make the decision that is best for me and my family. 
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
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As for the person that said you chose to teach in NYC....well that is debatable. NYC is the only place I could get a teaching job. I would love to have a 5 minute commute but I don't. So if school is closed YAY and if not then I make the decision that is best for me and my family.
Ahh, but my point is not that you chose to work in NYC, but that you chose public school education as a profession, knowing the job market. It's not like the job market all of sudden changed.
And to the person who seemed upset that teachers are held to certain standards, I get assessed in my job. I have sales goals to meet. No one cares that the economy sucks and people can't afford to spend money on our product. I still have to meet my goals. How else would you recommend assessing a teacher if not on the success of their students?
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
Posted by KennysMommy
I do have to say that as a teacher, we get a lot of $hit put on our plates day in and day out. We don't get paid overtime when we have tons of planning/grading to do on weekends and nights. We don't get bonuses. We don't even get simple thank yous most of the time. I'm on my feet from 7:45 to 3:00 with NO downtime. No checking email, browsing the internet, reading the paper... No downtime. My breaks are filled with making photocopies, planning with colleagues, putting up a bulletin board, etc.... I rarely sit for 10 min to eat lunch.
Posted by KennysMommy
I just think people are jealous of teachers. We get decent pay, time off for vacation and summers, and snow days...  I chose my profession because I love kids and I love teaching. I don't mind the long hours on my feet and the unpaid planning time. I do mind people b!tching about us getting a day off because their company doesn't give them time off. It's not my fault I have such a wonderful job that takes safe travel into account! !
Could you clarify if you are on the "I work my arse off. I'm underappreciated" side or the "I am fortunate to have this job" side?
TBH, I'm not jealous of teachers. There is good & bad to every job...but I'm hard pressed to find the bad with jobs in the Caribbean right now.
I was being sarcastic and having a little fun because this has gotten a little personal for some.  The truth is, I feel both ways, it depends on the day. When I'm off for the summer or a snow day, I feel fortunate. When I'm having a tough day with students (or their parents), I feel under appreciated.
Don't get me wrong, I really do feel bad for those of you who had to get up early today to dig out. It sucks. DH was out there so he can get to work. I also feel bad for those that have been inconvenienced with kids being off and trying to find alternate plans if you couldn't/can't take off. It's terrible. But schools should have off because those kids that don't walk to school shouldn't be put at risk to travel there and most teachers don't live walking distance to school, so put X and Y together = no school. I'd feel the same way if I wasn't a teacher.
Now, can we all just agree to disagree and get along?
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
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As for the person that said you chose to teach in NYC....well that is debatable. NYC is the only place I could get a teaching job. I would love to have a 5 minute commute but I don't. So if school is closed YAY and if not then I make the decision that is best for me and my family.
Ahh, but my point is not that you chose to work in NYC, but that you chose public school education as a profession, knowing the job market. It's not like the job market all of sudden changed.
And to the person who seemed upset that teachers are held to certain standards, I get assessed in my job. I have sales goals to meet. No one cares that the economy sucks and people can't afford to spend money on our product. I still have to meet my goals. How else would you recommend assessing a teacher if not on the success of their students?
This is my real response. You should assess the teacher on student progress. Where they started off in the beginning of the school year.
This is my response that would be ideal. Then come up with a formula for the amount of time the student was not in school that year and was late. Then come up with a figure that includes him/her being hungry for half the morning because they missed breakfast and were not fed at home. Then factor in that they don't have anyone at home pushing for them to read or reading to them.
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
Posted by My2Girlz11
Just wanted to add that I don't think that just one person should be deciding to close all of NYC Schools. It should be done by region. It is illogical to think that just because the snow isn't bad in Manhattan that it is ok in other areas also.
this I actually agree with. some parts of Queens, BK SI and el Bronx could use that, when conditions within the 5 boroughs warrant it.
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
I'm going to try not to get into the debate and just answer the OP.
as a parent: my home SD closes at a snow flake. Last night I called my mom and asked if she could help out if they closed and my work SD did not.
as a teacher: (no longer NYC, but I did work in NYC) I go in when it's open. I might modify lessons, but teaching does happen (a little more DEAR time? a curriculum based video? a good conversation about current events? sure - you have to be careful about new material, since there will be a lot who won't come and miss out). I also expect to get pulled to help out other places.
as a parent and a teacher, I'm a much bigger fan of the delay if it has stopped snowing. I'm getting cabin fever and my kids are too!
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
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Just wanted to add that I don't think that just one person should be deciding to close all of NYC Schools. It should be done by region. It is illogical to think that just because the snow isn't bad in Manhattan that it is ok in other areas also.
this I actually agree with. some parts of Queens, BK SI and el Bronx could use that, when conditions within the 5 boroughs warrant it.
See but how would that work? I teach in a high school where my students come from ALL 5 boroughs.... There is no easy answer and honestly for the 2 days a year we might be closed I think that way would bring more confusion and resentment
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
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Just wanted to add that I don't think that just one person should be deciding to close all of NYC Schools. It should be done by region. It is illogical to think that just because the snow isn't bad in Manhattan that it is ok in other areas also.
this I actually agree with. some parts of Queens, BK SI and el Bronx could use that, when conditions within the 5 boroughs warrant it.
See but how would that work? I teach in a high school where my students come from ALL 5 boroughs.... There is no easy answer and honestly for the 2 days a year we might be closed I think that way would bring more confusion and resentment
YOu are right. I didn't think of that. My school does not have students coming from all 5 boroughs.
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
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Just wanted to add that I don't think that just one person should be deciding to close all of NYC Schools. It should be done by region. It is illogical to think that just because the snow isn't bad in Manhattan that it is ok in other areas also.
this I actually agree with. some parts of Queens, BK SI and el Bronx could use that, when conditions within the 5 boroughs warrant it.
See but how would that work? I teach in a high school where my students come from ALL 5 boroughs.... There is no easy answer and honestly for the 2 days a year we might be closed I think that way would bring more confusion and resentment
oh please, no one in NYC goes to their zoned high school but how often do all your students show up either. 
this whole debate I am thinking mostly of smaller children though. all kidding aside. you can much more readily leave your hs student home alone if schools are closed while you go to work. it's the elementary age which I feel it's much harder.
I went to High school in Hell's Kitchen and it was a MISSION when it snowed or rained. I hated going in bad weather. and my high school had gang violence and metal detectors. it was called Cybertron b/c of the gang that was big there. but the teachers (god bless them) managed to rein us in and keep us calm.
I just had NO IDEA they bitched so much about it when they got home!!!
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
Wow we are all over the place on this thread
Posted by charon54
How else would you recommend assessing a teacher if not on the success of their students?
Not a teacher here. Corporate HR, with measurable goals to meet as well.
I would have a hard time assessing a teacher based on the success of a student - PARTICULARLY NYC school teachers. There are too many factors out of the teacher's control to look at a test score to determine. You have parents that are not involved in their child's education, see no value in it. You have children with medical issues, learning disabilities. As a parent of a child with ADD & another who struggles with reading, I would hate for a teacher to be assessed on test scores.
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
Posted by computergirl
This whole thread just illustrates why there is a movement to require NYC teachers to live within the 5 boroughs.
I understand that it's an inconvenience to the teachers to have to come in because Bloomberg didn't close the schools.... but come on, if you have a 2 hour commute, that's because you CHOSE it. If you are working on a school snow schedule that conflicts with your kid's Long Island schedule, again you CHOSE it. You were not drafted into this system. Every job has perks and every job has parts that suck. You have to take the good with the bad-- the summers off with the snowy commutes.
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
Honestly, even if the governor declares a state of emergency, I have to go to work. Am I mission critical personnel at my job? No. Can I work from home? Absolutely.
But it is totally an inconvenience when schools close. Obviously.
Honestly, my job only recently changed. I'm only recently allowed to work from home. 2 years ago, I would have had to try to trek my a$$ in. We couldn't take sick days, vacation days, personal days. It was show up or be subject to consequences (not that I know what they were). You would need a doctor's note to not show up for work.
Thankfully I didn't have DS because I don't have anyone to watch DS besides daycare. Daycare is closed today. I don't have a clue what I would have done had it been 2 years ago. But I think sometimes delayed opening is more appropriate than closinig down. By 10am the roads were alright. People had time to shovel themselves out. But again, JMHO.
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
If I am expected to go into work bc I have to do MY job, I dont expect that bc it is snowing a teacher is going to consider THEIR job a babysitting position. You should go in with the same exact tactics that you go in on all other days. If you feel differently then I would prefer my child didnt have you as a teacher.
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
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Hi! A childless special education teacher here. My question is do you feel inconvenienced by snow days? I feel extremely resentful when Mayor Bloomberg insists on keeping schools open so parents can go to work. Last time I checked we weren't babysitters but I do know that parents go to work when their kids are in school! I think its a terrible reason to keep schools open and endanger the safety of students and teachers by doing so. The DOE has had 9 snow days (I believe) since 1978. This is insane!!!!!!
If the schools are open, you aren't babysitting...you should be there teaching. If schools aren't closed...so be it. Use a personal day.
EXACTLY!!!!!!!
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
I don't know anyone in real life who complains about snow days. Most everyone comes to work if they can. If they can't, they can't. If Metro North isn't running at all, it's understandable you can't come into work. If it's running but delayed, then come to work late. If it's running on schedule and you need to shovel out of your driveway, be late. If you want to stay home, stay home and take a personal day.
I came to work late today as did everyone else in my office.
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
Posted by PrincessP
If I am expected to go into work bc I have to do MY job, I dont expect that bc it is snowing a teacher is going to consider THEIR job a babysitting position. You should go in with the same exact tactics that you go in on all other days. If you feel differently then I would prefer my child didnt have you as a teacher.
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
This whole debate leaves me confused.
Schools are schools and daycares are daycares.
If conditions are unsafe -- as they were this morning (a ft. of snow on the ground, unplowed streets, limited transportation, suspended bus service, unshoveled sidewalks) there is no reason for 1 million plus NYC children to be mandated to attend school. It is a parent's responsibility to arrange for afterschool care, care on the weekends, care during vacation weeks, care for holidays such as veteran's day, or care during summer breaks. Parents should realize that there may be one or two days a year that they may need to take off from work due to inclement weather if they don't have anyone that can watch their child on short notice -- the same way that they might need to lose a day if their child was sick and could not attend school or daycare and plan accordingly. The whole "school closings inconvenienced me" arguement is ridiculous imo.
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
Posted by Bridex100
I don't know anyone in real life who complains about snow days. Most everyone comes to work if they can. If they can't, they can't. If Metro North isn't running at all, it's understandable you can't come into work. If it's running but delayed, then come to work late. If it's running on schedule and you need to shovel out of your driveway, be late. If you want to stay home, stay home and take a personal day.
I came to work late today as did everyone else in my office.
not to beat this horse but I don't think strolling in late without a delayed opening is an option for most teachers and I do understand that.
I can be empathetic to having to wake up and hour or two earlier to get to school on time, and to having it take longer to get home. I understand that frustration too. I still do not believe that schools should be closed any more frequently than they are. 
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
Posted by Octobermom
This whole debate leaves me confused.
Schools are schools and daycares are daycares.
If conditions are unsafe -- as they were this morning (a ft. of snow on the ground, unplowed streets, limited transportation, suspended bus service, unshoveled sidewalks) there is no reason for 1 million plus NYC children to be mandated to attend school. It is a parent's responsibility to arrange for afterschool care, care on the weekends, care during vacation weeks, care for holidays such as veteran's day, or care during summer breaks. Parents should realize that there may be one or two days a year that they may need to take off from work due to inclement weather if they don't have anyone that can watch their child on short notice -- the same way that they might need to lose a day if their child was sick and could not attend school or daycare and plan accordingly. The whole "school closings inconvenienced me" arguement is ridiculous imo.
This is how I feel, as well.
I always stay out of these snow day/DOE threads, b/c I'm not at the point yet in mommyhood, but the above is my general perspective.
It sucks being a working mom sometimes, but days like these come with the territory sometimes, right? That's why I never call out sick unless I absolutely am dying. I save them all - just in case. I never know what will crop up, especially when factoring kids and child care into it.
But it is a hassle for everyone, and I don't think anyone has it easy - on either side.
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
Posted by speakthetruth
It sucks being a working mom sometimes, but days like these come with the territory sometimes, right? That's why I never call out sick unless I absolutely am dying. I save them all - just in case. I never know what will crop up, especially when factoring kids and child care into it.
But it is a hassle for everyone, and I don't think anyone has it easy - on either side.
Yeah this
Since if it gets to 20 here they shut down schools for 'ice conditions' and you walk out and its sunny and clear. I spent too much time in NY and it does annoy me that I've lost a day of work.
Then again.... bigger prespective....
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