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pharmcat2000
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Re: Worried about the future for my girls...
This is one of the major reasons why I want to send my DD to Catholic school.
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Re: Worried about the future for my girls...
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And it is hard to find appropriate clothes.
No it's not. There was a huge thread about this in the past. Many stores sell appropriate clothing for children and teens. MANY stores.
Of course there are appropriate clothes out there. However when the trend is short and "sexy" then that is usually easier to find since that is the trend. When you have parents that want their kids to fit in they are going to go with the trend of what's in style.
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Re: Worried about the future for my girls...
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This is one of the major reasons why I want to send my DD to Catholic school.
Clothes is only the surface of what goes on with teenage girls and I don't think Catholic school will solve everything lol.
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And it is hard to find appropriate clothes.
No it's not. There was a huge thread about this in the past. Many stores sell appropriate clothing for children and teens. MANY stores.
Of course there are appropriate clothes out there. However when the trend is short and "sexy" then that is usually easier to find since that is the trend. When you have parents that want their kids to fit in they are going to go with the trend of what's in style.
Exactly and it is very hard to find decent clothes in the junior section.
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Re: Worried about the future for my girls...
Believe it or not there are some parents who enforce that and I know one who does! 
The mom was telling us how her daughter has such a nice body and she was telling her daughter to roll up her skirt for it to be shorter and it was already really short!....my DH and I had no words...mind you she wasn't a pre-teen but more like 17...who knows what she told her when she was younger!
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Re: Worried about the future for my girls...
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And it is hard to find appropriate clothes.
No it's not. There was a huge thread about this in the past. Many stores sell appropriate clothing for children and teens. MANY stores.
Of course there are appropriate clothes out there. However when the trend is short and "sexy" then that is usually easier to find since that is the trend. When you have parents that want their kids to fit in they are going to go with the trend of what's in style.
Sorry I don't by the 'that's what's in style' excuse.
It's like the old saying 'if everyone jumps off a bridge are you going to as well.'
I would rather teach my child to be their own person then struggle to try and 'fit in' -besides who says dressed like 'slut at the age of 13' is trendy???
GAP has plenty of clothes that aren't going to show off a 12 year olds ass when wearing them. Parents have to decide whether they want their daughter to respect herself or follow the crowds...there are choices.
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Re: Worried about the future for my girls...
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And it is hard to find appropriate clothes.
No it's not. There was a huge thread about this in the past. Many stores sell appropriate clothing for children and teens. MANY stores.
Of course there are appropriate clothes out there. However when the trend is short and "sexy" then that is usually easier to find since that is the trend. When you have parents that want their kids to fit in they are going to go with the trend of what's in style.
Sorry I don't by the 'that's what's in style' excuse.
It's like the old saying 'if everyone jumps off a bridge are you going to as well.'
I would rather teach my child to be their own person then struggle to try and 'fit in' -besides who says dressed like 'slut at the age of 13' is trendy???
GAP has plenty of clothes that aren't going to show off a 12 year olds ass when wearing them. Parents have to decide whether they want their daughter to respect herself or follow the crowds...there are choices.
Kids want to be liked so if the clothes in Gap are not what is in or what others are wearing, they don't want that. Unfortunately what is hot with the middle school kids is Hollister, Abercrombie, Aeropostol, Forever 21.
I am lucky that my daughter doesn't dress like some others girls do but the items that they do have out for her age are tight, small and short. It is hard to find something to buy her that is appropriate. She is usually always in jeans, tank tops and a shirt over it.
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You know I saw this post after I was flipping channels for the girls and saw the brady bunch. I see many people saying I would never let my children wear skirts or shorts so short their behind is hanging out. Honestly thinking back years ago to the brady bunch I thought some things were short but not overtly sexy or offensive but watching this episode I was thinking I would never let my girls wear that. The length was inappropriate to me - at that time it was normal dress.
But when you go to the store sometimes the fashion is very short and even as an adult it can be harder to find more conservative things, you canbut it is hard to be fashionable but not offensive some years with certain popular styles. Recently I was speaking a mom who had her DD's sweet sixteen. The girls wore shoter dresses BUT they were cute, age appropriate - not showing everything dresses. One child came in a skin tight very short dress. The mom said the kids as well as the parents all commented on it. Turns out the mom approved it. BTW to the parent who said catholic school is the answer the child was from a catholic school. Growing up those were often the kids who were more likely to dress that way then some of the kids who had no uniforms during the week.
I do think though that it is the parents job to know what their kids are wearing, although as someone pointed out there will always be some who encourage that type of dress, often the parent dresses in that same style/fashion/spirit.
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Re: Worried about the future for my girls...
this scares the shit out of me and I only have a son.
when I was in elementary school our dress code was no shorts above the knee. and if we did wear shorts, we had to have on nude pantyhose under them as well.
then i went to catholic school for JHS and the skirts had to be at or below the knee. after school the girls would roll them up.
DH said I used to wear shorts that were up to my ass when we were dating. But I was 18 when we were dating. I would never dare wear shit like this when I was 12. My father worked 2 jobs and not home much, but god help me if he ever saw that.
My mother, who herself, would wear stuff that she should have stopped wearing long ago would never let me wear that shit either at that age.
Our society is really effed up.
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Re: Worried about the future for my girls...
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And it is hard to find appropriate clothes.
No it's not. There was a huge thread about this in the past. Many stores sell appropriate clothing for children and teens. MANY stores.
Of course there are appropriate clothes out there. However when the trend is short and "sexy" then that is usually easier to find since that is the trend. When you have parents that want their kids to fit in they are going to go with the trend of what's in style.
Sorry I don't by the 'that's what's in style' excuse.
It's like the old saying 'if everyone jumps off a bridge are you going to as well.'
I would rather teach my child to be their own person then struggle to try and 'fit in' -besides who says dressed like 'slut at the age of 13' is trendy???
GAP has plenty of clothes that aren't going to show off a 12 year olds ass when wearing them. Parents have to decide whether they want their daughter to respect herself or follow the crowds...there are choices.
Exactly.
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Re: Worried about the future for my girls...
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And it is hard to find appropriate clothes.
No it's not. There was a huge thread about this in the past. Many stores sell appropriate clothing for children and teens. MANY stores.
Of course there are appropriate clothes out there. However when the trend is short and "sexy" then that is usually easier to find since that is the trend. When you have parents that want their kids to fit in they are going to go with the trend of what's in style.
Sorry I don't by the 'that's what's in style' excuse.
It's like the old saying 'if everyone jumps off a bridge are you going to as well.'
I would rather teach my child to be their own person then struggle to try and 'fit in' -besides who says dressed like 'slut at the age of 13' is trendy???
GAP has plenty of clothes that aren't going to show off a 12 year olds ass when wearing them. Parents have to decide whether they want their daughter to respect herself or follow the crowds...there are choices.
Absolutely it is the parents job to teach them self respect and not to follow the crowd. Unfortunately there are many parents (especially of young ladies) that are not actively parenting.
I teach middle school and high school health. I currently teach in the inner city..but I spent 5 years in Westchester...and the sentiment is the same in both areas. There are many young ladies who do not have the proper self-esteem or self-respect, and even if their parents do send them to school one way they change their clothes when they get to school. There have been many times I have had to send girls to the office because their dress was not appropriate for school. Sometimes those inappropriate outfits were approved by parents.
For 8th grade proms in both places you wouldn't believe some of the dresses these girls would come in wearing...again mostly bought by parents.
Our society today gives girls very mixed and wrong messages so yes many many of our young teens do believe certain behaviors and clothing are in style and at that age all teens want to fit in. It's part of their natural development at that age.
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pharmcat2000
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Re: Worried about the future for my girls...
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BTW to the parent who said catholic school is the answer the child was from a catholic school. Growing up those were often the kids who were more likely to dress that way then some of the kids who had no uniforms during the week.
I never said Catholic school is the ANSWER. I said it is ONE of the reasons I want to send my DD to Catholic school. I don't want her to have the influence of what other kids are wearing that I may not approve of. I can oversee it more when they all wear the same thing to school. Then after school, if she isn't involved with kids I don't feel are inappropriate, I think I lessen her chances of being around what I'd rather she not be around. I also think in Catholic school they do a better job of teaching kids to have respect for themselves, which will also go toward her learning that what she wears doesn't dictate her worth. Believe me, I know plenty of Catholic school kids who dressed inappropriately too, but at least with uniforms, the excuse that they're being faced with not fitting in at school because of their clothes is removed. Just my opinion.
ETA: I have already seen a change in my DD and what she wants to wear, and she is only in first grade. For the past 2 years, all summer and at the beginning of this school year, all she wanted to wear was dresses, sometimes skirts, and it was a fight to get her to wear pants. Everything was frilly and girly. After a few months with the girls in her class this year, now all she wants to wear is jeans, leggings and what I call "knock around" clothes. She never wants to wear dresses anymore! And when I tried questioning her about it she started crying, "Why can't I just wear regular clothes like the other kids?" At SIX! That day spoke volumes to me about what is going on in school. I also, just this week, saw her pushing the waistband of her pajama pants down to her hips. I told her that is not how we wear pants, and again she broke down crying, telling me that is where they belong. 
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And it is hard to find appropriate clothes.
No it's not. There was a huge thread about this in the past. Many stores sell appropriate clothing for children and teens. MANY stores.
Of course there are appropriate clothes out there. However when the trend is short and "sexy" then that is usually easier to find since that is the trend. When you have parents that want their kids to fit in they are going to go with the trend of what's in style.
Sorry I don't by the 'that's what's in style' excuse.
It's like the old saying 'if everyone jumps off a bridge are you going to as well.'
I would rather teach my child to be their own person then struggle to try and 'fit in' -besides who says dressed like 'slut at the age of 13' is trendy???
GAP has plenty of clothes that aren't going to show off a 12 year olds ass when wearing them. Parents have to decide whether they want their daughter to respect herself or follow the crowds...there are choices.
Absolutely it is the parents job to teach them self respect and not to follow the crowd. Unfortunately there are many parents (especially of young ladies) that are not actively parenting.
I teach middle school and high school health. I currently teach in the inner city..but I spent 5 years in Westchester...and the sentiment is the same in both areas. There are many young ladies who do not have the proper self-esteem or self-respect, and even if their parents do send them to school one way they change their clothes when they get to school. There have been many times I have had to send girls to the office because their dress was not appropriate for school. Sometimes those inappropriate outfits were approved by parents.
For 8th grade proms in both places you wouldn't believe some of the dresses these girls would come in wearing...again mostly bought by parents.
Our society today gives girls very mixed and wrong messages so yes many many of our young teens do believe certain behaviors and clothing are in style and at that age all teens want to fit in. It's part of their natural development at that age.
It was very hard to find a "decent length" dress for my dd's middle school formal. Her dress was short but stylish and not overdone and no where near showing anything.
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Re: Worried about the future for my girls...
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BTW to the parent who said catholic school is the answer the child was from a catholic school. Growing up those were often the kids who were more likely to dress that way then some of the kids who had no uniforms during the week.
I never said Catholic school is the ANSWER. I said it is ONE of the reasons I want to send my DD to Catholic school. I don't want her to have the influence of what other kids are wearing that I may not approve of. I can oversee it more when they all wear the same thing to school. Then after school, if she isn't involved with kids I don't feel are inappropriate, I think I lessen her chances of being around what I'd rather she not be around. I also think in Catholic school they do a better job of teaching kids to have respect for themselves, which will also go toward her learning that what she wears doesn't dictate her worth. Believe me, I know plenty of Catholic school kids who dressed inappropriately too, but at least with uniforms, the excuse that they're being faced with not fitting in at school because of their clothes is removed. Just my opinion.
ETA: I have already seen a change in my DD and what she wants to wear, and she is only in first grade. For the past 2 years, all summer and at the beginning of this school year, all she wanted to wear was dresses, sometimes skirts, and it was a fight to get her to wear pants. Everything was frilly and girly. After a few months with the girls in her class this year, now all she wants to wear is jeans, leggings and what I call "knock around" clothes. She never wants to wear dresses anymore! And when I tried questioning her about it she started crying, "Why can't I just wear regular clothes like the other kids?" At SIX! That day spoke volumes to me about what is going on in school. I also, just this week, saw her pushing the waistband of her pajama pants down to her hips. I told her that is not how we wear pants, and again she broke down crying, telling me that is where they belong.
I think the hardest part is the friends and you need to be involved in knowing who their main friends are. You will NOT know everything in their lives unless you are with them 24/7, 365 days which is not healthy at all IMO but involvement is key.
My dd is a talker and tells me almost everything and I check her online sites to see what other kids are saying and doing. I am lucky that she is aware of who the "bad" kids are. The ones that get in trouble, who do drugs, smoke, jut things she doesn't want to get involved in. She hangs out with and is friends with all different kids from the "nerds" to the very popular.
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Re: Worried about the future for my girls...
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I think the hardest part is the friends and you need to be involved in knowing who their main friends are. You will NOT know everything in their lives unless you are with them 24/7, 365 days which is not healthy at all IMO but involvement is key.
My dd is a talker and tells me almost everything and I check her online sites to see what other kids are saying and doing. I am lucky that she is aware of who the "bad" kids are. The ones that get in trouble, who do drugs, smoke, jut things she doesn't want to get involved in. She hangs out with and is friends with all different kids from the "nerds" to the very popular.
I agree with you 100%.
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BTW to the parent who said catholic school is the answer the child was from a catholic school. Growing up those were often the kids who were more likely to dress that way then some of the kids who had no uniforms during the week.
I never said Catholic school is the ANSWER. I said it is ONE of the reasons I want to send my DD to Catholic school. I don't want her to have the influence of what other kids are wearing that I may not approve of. I can oversee it more when they all wear the same thing to school. Then after school, if she isn't involved with kids I don't feel are inappropriate, I think I lessen her chances of being around what I'd rather she not be around. I also think in Catholic school they do a better job of teaching kids to have respect for themselves, which will also go toward her learning that what she wears doesn't dictate her worth. Believe me, I know plenty of Catholic school kids who dressed inappropriately too, but at least with uniforms, the excuse that they're being faced with not fitting in at school because of their clothes is removed. Just my opinion.
ETA: I have already seen a change in my DD and what she wants to wear, and she is only in first grade. For the past 2 years, all summer and at the beginning of this school year, all she wanted to wear was dresses, sometimes skirts, and it was a fight to get her to wear pants. Everything was frilly and girly. After a few months with the girls in her class this year, now all she wants to wear is jeans, leggings and what I call "knock around" clothes. She never wants to wear dresses anymore! And when I tried questioning her about it she started crying, "Why can't I just wear regular clothes like the other kids?" At SIX! That day spoke volumes to me about what is going on in school. I also, just this week, saw her pushing the waistband of her pajama pants down to her hips. I told her that is not how we wear pants, and again she broke down crying, telling me that is where they belong.
Please don't shout at me. I am not judging what so ever. Nor calling you out. Which is why I didn't quote you, in fact I just remember someone saying catholic school not who said it until you quoted me and I went back. You did say one major issue... but I was just saying in general the kids I knew who were in catholic school were the ones pushing the envelope their parents were clueless. Not just catholic school but uniforms in general. IMO it is no matter catholic school, public, private it is important to have a relationship where your kid talks to you, bc you won't always know 100% of everything even if you want to. And no not saying yours does not just making a blanket statement. So having a good open relationship is sometimes more important. A dress code or uniform does not always help. I went to a school with a dress code and I think many pushed it more than public school. It was almost with some that having any code made some want to push it out of school. Often they had very conservative parents who had no idea.
As far as dressing up. Not sure what district you are in. My DD wears dresses (think hanna anderson or tea) with leggings as do many k and 1st grade but I also see a lot of leggings and rarely jeans (mostly parents say their kids say they are uncomfortable). Since my DD has entered school (meaning nursery) her school requested comfortable clothes, in fact her old, and now my new DD#2's nursery has pretty much the same request - no dresses or skirts unless special occassion, but if you do to not care if they are covered in glue or paint). In nursery they request comfy clothes that were easy for the potty, and not something parent would get upset if it got dirty. Also to make it easier on the playground, bc dresses get caught on the slides or are harder to climb in. Now in Kindergarten, her school's principal sends emails saying I know parents want to dress their kids up but please choose clothes, that your child can feel comfortable playing on the playground and in the classroom, also they are not as warm on the playground in the dresses. Could they maybe be encouraging that and that is why the kids are dressing "down"? In my DD's school the 1st grade girls seem to wear a lot of bows and a lot of sparkle. Tops or skirts with leggings with various kinds of things like sequins. But I think there is comfy and nice comfy versus painting in comfy too. As far as clothes hanging low, can't help you there, woUldn't be happy with that. I know my DD doesn't like tight clothes on her tummy but that is a sensory thing. She wouldn't have a clue where fashion tells her to or not to. I have to say I think the kids at her school (k&1st) dress age appropriately. I also think the kids I see getting on
the bus going to our 2-5th look age appropriate -
normal age appropriate skirts with nice sweaters and
leggings, jeans with nice sweaters. I wonder if the schools that have k-5 sometimes have a lot of older kid influencing them. This is one reason I like how my district breaks up the schools.
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Re: Worried about the future for my girls...
Posted by pharmcat2000
This is one of the major reasons why I want to send my DD to Catholic school.
Not to bust your bubble but DH told me some stories about girls in Catholic school that made me
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Re: Worried about the future for my girls...
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Posted by pharmcat2000
This is one of the major reasons why I want to send my DD to Catholic school.
Not to bust your bubble but DH told me some stories about girls in Catholic school that made me
it's like that in any school! uniform or not...no one is saying that a uniform is going to determine how a kid is going to act...that starts at HOME and is directed by the parents, their values, morals and conduct...whether or not they are willing to BE the parent and not be their child's BFF.
my nieces and nephew all go to a Catholic school and my sister is raising them right-the Catholic school is re-enforcing the values she feels are important.
with that said-i do think a dress code or uniform is a great idea..it sets a tone and can promote a higher standard for personal conduct. if you're allowed to walk around with your stuff hanging out school becomes more than just a place to learn. my nieces do not have to worry about competing for the best clothes and always tell me that they are exprected to behave a certain way and appear a certain way. nothing bad about that. (well as far as i see it!)
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Re: Worried about the future for my girls...
I work in a middle school and if the girls in my class dress inappropriately I try to explain to them in a nice way why it's not nice to dress like that (sends the wrong message, etc) I feel bad a lot of them don't have moms around or they just plain don't care
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Re: Worried about the future for my girls...
It's scary. I have a DD and worry too. I know I would not buy those clothes for her and she would never be able to leave the house wearing what some of these kids wear. I'm a middle school teacher and I can't believe the things they wear.
I remember one boy in my summer school said to me, "How do their fathers let them out of the house wearing that?" about the girls in his class. Smart kid.
It scares me because I know I didn't listen to my parents at that age. I would get into trouble and do things behind their backs, so I know I can only do so much. Defintely wouldn't buy her those clothes and hopefully, I can teach her to respect herself and her body..it's scary... :(
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Re: Worried about the future for my girls...
I have two girls and truly haven't given this much thought...until reading this post! lol. I always dressed like a preppy dork growing up and even now my nieces dress very "cute" for their age (they are 9 and 13...leggings, tunics, Uggs). I'm HOPING this all rubs off on my girls. If not, their father will just be following them around 24/7 (if he even let's them leave the house), so I guess the choice is theirs! lol.
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Re: Worried about the future for my girls...
I haven't read all of the responses yet but I am very worried for the future.
I know someone who is 17 who goes to Catholic school. Catholic school is not always the answer. She is into all of the same stuff her old public school friends are into (drugs, drinking, sex, inappropriate clothes). She dresses and behaves like she is in her 20's. And the scariest part is that she can and has passed for 21+.
This 17 year old goes out to bars in NYC with a fake ID dressed in the newest, latest trends (SHORT and TIGHT and NEON everything) and it's all funded by her parents. She has no job.
It's really, really sad and scary.
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Worried about the future for my girls...
My dd wears a uniform (Catholic School jumper). I have children in both public school and Catholic school. My oldest two are in public HS and MS (both boys) and my dd is in a Catholic Elementary School. I can say from our experience that there is a big difference between public and Catholic, and the uniforms are just a part of it. My daughter had so much peer pressure when it came to clothes, boys, friends, ect... in public school. Also the bus was totally out of control, she would come home totally anxiety ridden and be exhausted trying to get her homework done. Her friends would call my house all hours of the day/evening and were even on social media at 9 years old! They were boy crazy and constantly pitting girls against other girls in their grade/social circle. PTA moms got into fights constantly.....once in the parking lot and security had to get involved! I had enough and transferred my daughter out. She is a totally different child. She was a year behind in math according to her state test and is still catching up. She welcomed the uniforms and has no complaints wearing the jumper (it MUST be knee length). There were a few other kids who also transferred out of her old public school to her Catholic school and to other local Catholic schools. Our two younger children attend Catholic preschool and will continue there for elementary school. Our older boys are great kids and high honor roll students but honestly I wish I had done Catholic School from the start for all of them. I can not yet speak for Catholic High School however we could be here all day with the things that go on in my sons Public HS..... I think clothing is an option, lol.
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Re: Worried about the future for my girls...
Posted by Lillykat
Please don't shout at me.
I wasn't shouting at you, sorry you took it that way.
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