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matzena
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Ashley
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Re: AHHH what are your thoughts....
I would test!!
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MrsKS
Thank You St. Gerard.....
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Re: AHHH what are your thoughts....
OK... I tested and I got a Not Pregnant. Which is what I suspected so I'm not at all upset over it. I just REALLY want AF to come so I can start using the CBEFM. I feel like I got a new toy and I can't touch it!!!!! haha.
Still no sign's of AF though. I suppose I'm still regulating?? IDK.
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Porrruss
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Re: AHHH what are your thoughts....
Posted by MrsKS
just so you know... there are things that can affect a pregnancy before you are sharing blood.
when i had a ms it was was due to trisomy 21, which can actually be due to alcohol, tobacco, or cocaine too. I've never done coke.. and i don't smoke cigs (just 2nd hand thanks to everyone else who smokes) and I DEF drank. Then of course there is the genetic factor and it could be a fluke.
But don't go by the sharing blood factor as a safety net. It's not the case... it's a misconception actually.
The beginning is a VERY VERY sensitive time and combined with a recent mc... I'm on more high alert than ever!
Where did you hear that chromosomal abnormalities can occur from alcohol, smoking, and other mild teratogenic exposure before there is blood exchange? I don't want to debate, but this is something I've never heard of.
Those disorders are not caused by things done in the TWW (or in the very early weeks). The embryo is only exposed to the egg yoke until about 5.5-6.5 weeks. Trisomies and and other chromosomal issues are generally caused by already damaged sperm or egg or a spontaneous mutation in the developmental process. During those first couple weeks after fertilization and before blood exchange, damage from exposure to these things are highly unlikely because how would these toxins reach the embryo? If this were the case, then we'd be seeing LOTS more cases of chromosomal disorders due to teratogenic exposure.
I'm only questioning because your info could cause undue stress to already nervous mommies to be as well as unnecessary guilt to those who've had children with chromosomal abnormalities.
Every bit of research I've read (I work with children with disabilities) states that chromosomal mutations are caused by spontaneous mutation and usually at conception. There are NO causes other than that.
Sorry for the hijack.
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Exarina
My Two Girls
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Re: AHHH what are your thoughts....
aw...sorry but that happens to a lot of people....when they start trying again..I got a lot of symptoms too and swore i was prego!
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headoverheels
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Re: AHHH what are your thoughts....
Posted by Porrruss
Posted by MrsKS
just so you know... there are things that can affect a pregnancy before you are sharing blood.
when i had a ms it was was due to trisomy 21, which can actually be due to alcohol, tobacco, or cocaine too. I've never done coke.. and i don't smoke cigs (just 2nd hand thanks to everyone else who smokes) and I DEF drank. Then of course there is the genetic factor and it could be a fluke.
But don't go by the sharing blood factor as a safety net. It's not the case... it's a misconception actually.
The beginning is a VERY VERY sensitive time and combined with a recent mc... I'm on more high alert than ever!
Where did you hear that chromosomal abnormalities can occur from alcohol, smoking, and other mild teratogenic exposure before there is blood exchange? I don't want to debate, but this is something I've never heard of.
Those disorders are not caused by things done in the TWW (or in the very early weeks). The embryo is only exposed to the egg yoke until about 5.5-6.5 weeks. Trisomies and and other chromosomal issues are generally caused by already damaged sperm or egg or a spontaneous mutation in the developmental process. During those first couple weeks after fertilization and before blood exchange, damage from exposure to these things are highly unlikely because how would these toxins reach the embryo? If this were the case, then we'd be seeing LOTS more cases of chromosomal disorders due to teratogenic exposure.
I'm only questioning because your info could cause undue stress to already nervous mommies to be as well as unnecessary guilt to those who've had children with chromosomal abnormalities.
Every bit of research I've read (I work with children with disabilities) states that chromosomal mutations are caused by spontaneous mutation and usually at conception. There are NO causes other than that.
Sorry for the hijack.
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I wanted to say the same thing but could not find the proper words (total mommy brain). Thanks Amy 
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Hofstra26
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Re: AHHH what are your thoughts....
Posted by headoverheels
Posted by Porrruss
Posted by MrsKS
just so you know... there are things that can affect a pregnancy before you are sharing blood.
when i had a ms it was was due to trisomy 21, which can actually be due to alcohol, tobacco, or cocaine too. I've never done coke.. and i don't smoke cigs (just 2nd hand thanks to everyone else who smokes) and I DEF drank. Then of course there is the genetic factor and it could be a fluke.
But don't go by the sharing blood factor as a safety net. It's not the case... it's a misconception actually.
The beginning is a VERY VERY sensitive time and combined with a recent mc... I'm on more high alert than ever!
Where did you hear that chromosomal abnormalities can occur from alcohol, smoking, and other mild teratogenic exposure before there is blood exchange? I don't want to debate, but this is something I've never heard of.
Those disorders are not caused by things done in the TWW (or in the very early weeks). The embryo is only exposed to the egg yoke until about 5.5-6.5 weeks. Trisomies and and other chromosomal issues are generally caused by already damaged sperm or egg or a spontaneous mutation in the developmental process. During those first couple weeks after fertilization and before blood exchange, damage from exposure to these things are highly unlikely because how would these toxins reach the embryo? If this were the case, then we'd be seeing LOTS more cases of chromosomal disorders due to teratogenic exposure.
I'm only questioning because your info could cause undue stress to already nervous mommies to be as well as unnecessary guilt to those who've had children with chromosomal abnormalities.
Every bit of research I've read (I work with children with disabilities) states that chromosomal mutations are caused by spontaneous mutation and usually at conception. There are NO causes other than that.
Sorry for the hijack.
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I wanted to say the same thing but could not find the proper words (total mommy brain). Thanks Amy
ITA with all of the above.
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MrsKS
Thank You St. Gerard.....
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Re: AHHH what are your thoughts....
I'm not going to fight with anyone about anything. So I'm not looking for any sort of debate.
My point to the one poster was that even though you aren't sharing a blood line yet there are things that can happen based on pills or other things you take.
I'm not in any way shape or form trying to make anyone nervous about anything at all. Trust me. I need to avoid everything that can cause anxiety right now.
I read it online. In a few places actually. I'd have to dig up the sites again. When i do find them I will post it. It said it was a possibility... not that it was definite. it said there was a possible link to those 3 things in regards to trisomy 21. I ONLY looked up information on trisomy21 and know nothing about any other trisomy.
I had a doctor who told me NOTHING about anything... and I had to do my own research for EVERYTHING. Needless to say... he is no longer my doctor.
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MrsKS
Thank You St. Gerard.....
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Re: AHHH what are your thoughts....
OH and PS... I didn't say anything about the 2ww .... it just said as a blanket... tobacco, coke, and alcohol could be a factor; nothing with a time frame or anything.
I mean i assume that's when it would have to happen bc its a chromosomal problem. But it didn't say anything about the 2ww.
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MrsKS
Thank You St. Gerard.....
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Re: AHHH what are your thoughts....
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MrsKS
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Re: AHHH what are your thoughts....
this is fetal alcohol syndrome and trisomy 21
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Porrruss
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Re: AHHH what are your thoughts....
FAS can occur with DS, that study suggested that the rates of DS and FAS occuring together are HIGHER in alcoholic mothers and the daughters of alcoholic mothers.
Nowhere in that article does it say anything about minimal exposure to alcohol causing DS, nor does it even mention things like secondhand smoke or exposure to fumes.
I completely understand wanting to avoid certain things during pregnancy- even during the 2WW (which includes the week after AF is due technically) or even the first 2 weeks after a BFP, if that's your choice. But please don't spread misinformation. You cannot "cause" chromosomal changes from brief exposure to teratogenics.
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MrsKS
Thank You St. Gerard.....
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Re: AHHH what are your thoughts....
thats not the article that i read in the beginning. It's just one I found now.
the one I read specifically stated the 3 things I mentioned... and it never said it CAUSED it... it said it COULD be a causing factor. And that more research was necessary.
it never said anything about second hand smoke or exposure to fumes. So if that's what you are looking for information on... there isn't any. I said I did not want to be around those things.
********let me ask this.... can an egg or a sperm be damaged by alcohol consumption? or drugs (prescribed or not prescribed)?
What are external factors that can damage an egg or a sperm (not genetic)?
If alcohol or drugs can damage an egg or a sperm.... and trisomy 21 can be caused by a damaged egg or sperm.....hmmmmm.
I'm not saying it is.... but in terms of thinking about that chain of events it's something that i would like to do my best to avoid.....considering I already had a mc due to trisomy 21.
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MrsKS
Thank You St. Gerard.....
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Kerri
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Re: AHHH what are your thoughts....
I'm not spreading anything. I stated something I read on a thread I started.
my point wasn't even directly about the trisomy... it was more... things can happen before sharing blood. and that's something I've read all over... even on LIF. And that is a proven fact, is it not?
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