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Spin Off: Dangers of CIO

PEACEFUL parenting…... . In an effort to Chat Icon, I thought I would offer this article to those of you who expressed an interest in methods other than CIO.

The Dangers of Crying It Out
By Darcia Narvaez, Ph.D. © 2011

Letting babies "cry it out" is an idea that has been around since at least the 1880s when the field of medicine was in a hullaballoo about germs and transmitting infection and so took to the notion that babies should rarely be touched (see Blum, 2002, for a great review of this time period and attitudes towards childrearing).

In the 20th century, behaviorist John Watson (1928), interested in making psychology a hard science, took up the crusade against affection as president of the American Psychological Association. He applied the mechanistic paradigm of behaviorism to child rearing, warning about the dangers of too much mother love. The 20th century was the time when "men of science" were assumed to know better than mothers, grandmothers and families about how to raise a child. Too much kindness to a baby would result in a whiney, dependent, failed human being. Funny how "the experts" got away with this with no evidence to back it up! Instead there is evidence all around (then and now) showing the opposite to be true!

A government pamphlet from the time recommended that "mothering meant holding the baby quietly, in tranquility-inducing positions" and that "the mother should stop immediately if her arms feel tired" because "the baby is never to inconvenience the adult." Babies older than six months "should be taught to sit silently in the crib; otherwise, he might need to be constantly watched and entertained by the mother, a serious waste of time." (See Blum, 2002.)

Don't these attitudes sound familiar? A parent reported to me recently that he was encouraged to let his baby cry herself to sleep so he "could get his life back."

With neuroscience, we can confirm what our ancestors took for granted---that letting babies get distressed is a practice that can damage children and their relational capacities in many ways for the long term. We know now that leaving babies to cry is a good way to make a less intelligent, less healthy but more anxious, uncooperative and alienated person who can pass the same or worse traits on to the next generation.

The discredited behaviorist view sees the baby as an interloper into the life of the parents, an intrusion who must be controlled by various means so the adults can live their lives without too much bother. Perhaps we can excuse this attitude and ignorance because at the time, extended families were being broken up and new parents had to figure out how to deal with babies on their own, an unnatural condition for humanity--we have heretofore raised children in extended families. The parents always shared care with multiple adult relatives.

According to a behaviorist view completely ignorant of human development, the child 'has to be taught to be independent.' We can confirm now that forcing "independence" on a baby leads to greater dependence. Instead, giving babies what they need leads to greater independence later. In anthropological reports of small-band hunter-gatherers, parents took care of every need of babies and young children. Toddlers felt confident enough (and so did their parents) to walk into the bush on their own (see Hunter-Gatherer Childhoods, edited by Hewlett & Lamb, 2005).

Ignorant behaviorists then and now encourage parents to condition the baby to expect needs NOT to be met on demand, whether feeding or comforting. It's assumed that the adults should 'be in charge' of the relationship. Certainly this might foster a child that doesn't ask for as much help and attention (withdrawing into depression and going into stasis or even wasting away) but it is more likely to foster a whiney, unhappy, aggressive and/or demanding child, one who has learned that one must scream to get needs met. A deep sense of insecurity is likely to stay with them the rest of life.

The fact is that caregivers who habitually respond to the needs of the baby before the baby gets distressed, preventing crying, are more likely to have children who are independent than the opposite (e.g., Stein & Newcomb, 1994). Soothing care is best from the outset. Once patterns get established, it's much harder to change them.

Rats are often used to study how mammalian brains work and many effects are similar in human brains. In studies of rats with high or low nurturing mothers, there is a critical period for turning on genes that control anxiety for the rest of life. If in the first 10 days of life you have low nurturing rat mother (the equivalent of the first 6 months of life in a human), the gene never gets turned on and the rat is anxious towards new situations for the rest of its life, unless drugs are administered to alleviate the anxiety. These researchers say that there are hundreds of genes affected by nurturance. Similar mechanisms are found in human brains--caregiver behavior matters for turning genes on and off. (Work of Michael Meaney and colleagues; e. g., Meaney, 2001).

We should understand the mother and child as a mutually responsive dyad. They are a symbiotic unit that make each other healthier and happier in mutual responsiveness. This expands to other caregivers too.

One strangely popular notion still around today is to let babies 'cry it out' when they are left alone, isolated in cribs or other devices. This comes from a misunderstanding of child and brain development.
Babies grow from being held.
Their bodies get dysregulated when they are physically separated from caregivers. (See here for more.)
Babies indicate a need through gesture and eventually, if necessary, through crying. Just as adults reach for liquid when thirsty, children search for what they need in the moment. Just as adults become calm once the need is met, so do babies.
There are many longterm effects of undercare or need-neglect in babies (e.g., Bremmer et al, 1998; Blunt Bugental et al., 2003; Dawson et al., 2000; Heim et al 2003).
Secure attachment is related to responsive parenting, such as when babies wake up and cry at night.

What does 'crying it out' actually do to the baby and to the dyad?

Neurons die. When the baby is greatly distressed, the hormone cortisol is released. In excess, it's a neuron killer (Panksepp, 1998). A full-term baby (40-42 weeks), with only 25% of its brain developed, is undergoing rapid brain growth. The brain grows on average three times as large by the end of the first year (and head size growth in the first year is a sign of intelligence, e.g., Gale et al., 2006). Who knows what neurons are not being connected or being wiped out during times of extreme stress? What deficits might show up years later from such regular distressful experience? (See my addendum below.)

Disordered stress reactivity can be established as a pattern for life not only in the brain with the stress response system (Bremmer et al, 1998), but also in the body through the vagus nerve, a nerve that affects functioning in multiple systems (e.g., digestion). For example, prolonged distress in early life, resulting in a poorly functioning vagus nerve, is related disorders as irritable bowel syndrome (Stam et al, 1997). See more about how early stress is toxic for lifelong health from the recent Harvard report, The Foundations of Lifelong Health are Built in Early Childhood).

Self-regulation is undermined. The baby is absolutely dependent on caregivers for learning how to self-regulate. Responsive care---meeting the baby's needs before he gets distressed---tunes the body and brain up for calmness. When a baby gets scared and a parent holds and comforts him, the baby builds expectations for soothing, which get integrated into the ability to self comfort. Babies don't self-comfort in isolation. If they are left to cry alone, they learn to shut down in face of extensive distress--stop growing, stop feeling, stop trusting (Henry & Wang, 1998).

Trust is undermined. As Erik Erikson pointed out, the first year of life is a sensitive period for establishing a sense of trust in the world, the world of caregiver and the world of self. When a baby's needs are met without distress, the child learns that the world is a trustworthy place, that relationships are supportive, and that the self is a positive entity that can get its needs met. When a baby's needs are dismissed or ignored, the child develops a sense of mistrust of relationships and the world. And self-confidence is undermined. The child may spend a lifetime trying to fill the inner emptiness.

Caregiver sensitivity may be harmed. A caregiver who learns to ignore baby crying, will likely learn to ignore the more subtle signaling of the child's needs. Second-guessing intuitions to stop child distress, the adult who ignores baby needs practices and increasingly learns to "harden the heart." The reciprocity between caregiver and babu is broken by the adult, but cannot be repaired by the young child. The baby is helpless.

Caregiver responsiveness to the needs of the baby is related to most if not all positive child outcomes. In our work caregiver responsiveness is related to intelligence, empathy, lack of aggression or depression, self-regulation, social competence. Because responsiveness is so powerful, we have to control for it in our studies of other parenting practices and child outcomes. The importance of caregiver responsivness is common knowledge in developmental psychology Lack of responsiveness, which "crying it out" represents. can result in the opposite of the afrementioned positive outcomes.

The 'cry it out' approach seems to have arisen as a solution to the dissolution of extended family life in the 20th century. The vast wisdom of grandmothers was lost in the distance between households with children and those with the experience and expertise about how to raise them well. The wisdom of keeping babies happy was lost between generations.

But isn't it normal for babies to cry?

No. A crying baby in our ancestral environment would have signaled predators to tasty morsels. So our evolved parenting practices alleviated baby distress and precluded crying except in emergencies. Babies are built to expect the equivalent of an "external womb" after birth (see Allan Schore, specific references below). What is the external womb? ---being held constantly, breastfed on demand, needs met quickly (I have numerous posts on these things). These practices are known to facilitate good brain and body development (discussed with references in other posts, some links below). When babies display discomfort, it signals that a need is not getting met, a need of their rapidly growing systems.

What does extensive baby crying signal? It shows the lack of experience, knowledge and/or support of the baby's caregivers. To remedy a lack of information in us all, below is a good set of articles about all the things that a baby's cry can signal. We can all educate ourselves about what babies need and the practices that alleviate baby crying. We can help one another to keep it from happening as much as possible.

ADDENDUM: I was raised in a middle-class family with a depressed mother, harsh father and overall emotionally unsupportive environment--not unlike others raised in the USA. I have only recently realized from extensive reading about the effects of early parenting on body and brain development that I show the signs of undercare--poor memory (cortisol released during distress harms hippocampus development), irritable bowel and other poor vagal tone issues, and high social anxiety. The USA has epidemics of poor physical and mental health (e.g., UNICEF, 2007; USDHSS, 1999; WHO/WONCA, 2008). The connection between the lack of ancestral parenting practices and poor health outcomes has been documented for touch, responsiveness, breastfeeding, and more (Narvaez et al., in press). If we want a strong country and people, we've got to pay attention to what children need for optimal development.

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Posted 10/5/12 2:49 PM
 
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Re: Spin Off: Dangers of CIO

I don't know what to think. We didn't do CIO until my kids were past 2 yo. Our PED told us to let db CIO at 4 months but my inlaws said something nasty to us about not doing it when we told them what doc. As INSULTING as it was, We did take their advice. And we are push overs

Now I have 1(getting better) sleeper, and one bad sleeper Chat Icon Yes they are happy, very healthy , smart, have zero anxiety but, they need sleep

Don't these qualities have more to do with actual parenting then CIO ( or not)?

By the time we did CIO both kids were in beds and would pop their heads out of their rooms to find us

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Posted 10/5/12 4:13 PM
 

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I agree with these findings. I know my IBS was linked back to my early childhood abuse.

I tried ONCE to CIO and I seriously could not handle it. My child crying that hard? For no other reason that she was alone and needy?

I have heard how it works for others. 3 days tops or something. I just couldn’t. Maybe I’m weak, maybe I’m crazy.


Posted 10/5/12 4:45 PM
 

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OMG! This is the most ridiculous article I have ever read. Honestly, this is completely laughable.

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Posted 10/5/12 4:46 PM
 

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This is the craziest propaganda I ever read.

Your username looks familiar to me. Aren't you the one who posted some crazy sh!t of your own, about how you shouldn't even have children if you're not going to breastfeed them?

Look, I'm all for freedom of expression and I hate the LIF Thought Police as much as you probably do. But there is a fine line between "telling it like it is" and "being a sh!t stirrer". And you, my friend, are a sh!t stirrer.

Posted 10/5/12 4:51 PM
 

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Posted by SecretTTCer

OMG! This is the most ridiculous article I have ever read. I am a psychologist who specializes in behavior therapy and a tenured professor of psychology. Just this week, I presented two lectures on Watson and his experiments! The author of this inane article is spewing complete garbage. Her characterization of Watson and other behaviorists is not based in any science whatsoever!!!!! She completely misrepresents psychological research. Honestly, this is completely laughable.




From one psychologist to another: Thank you for saying what I wanted to!

Posted 10/5/12 4:58 PM
 

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Posted by Jax430

Posted by SecretTTCer

OMG! This is the most ridiculous article I have ever read. I am a psychologist who specializes in behavior therapy and a tenured professor of psychology. Just this week, I presented two lectures on Watson and his experiments! The author of this inane article is spewing complete garbage. Her characterization of Watson and other behaviorists is not based in any science whatsoever!!!!! She completely misrepresents psychological research. Honestly, this is completely laughable.




From one psychologist to another: Thank you for saying what I wanted to!



Glad I have the word of two PROFESSIONALS to back up my feelings that Grill, you should take a hike. Guilting mothers and generally being a condescending jerk might be fun for you but we are sick of it here, go away.

Posted 10/5/12 5:04 PM
 

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I don't think anyone is letting their 2 week old CIO, so yeah, useless information on the effects on brain development.

Posted 10/5/12 5:15 PM
 

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royal rumble.


now.

Posted 10/5/12 5:15 PM
 

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Posted by computergirl

But there is a fine line between "telling it like it is" and "being a sh!t stirrer". And you, my friend, are a sh!t stirrer.



Ok this is just all sorts of awesome-sauce!
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Posted 10/5/12 5:38 PM
 

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Posted by maymama

royal rumble.


now.



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I think we need a Chat Icon with Grill's name on it Chat Icon

Posted 10/5/12 6:41 PM
 

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I think it's only fair for the OP to be able to present her view on this issue.

I'm not sure where I stand. We did not do cio. I made a one day attempt with ds1 and threw in the towel bc I hated it. That was after many many sleepless nights where even the baby being cuddled in my bed did not want to sleep. My ds1 now 2 1/2 starts off in his bed but always ends up in my bed by like 4am. I bought the ferber book for ds2. We managed to recreate the same sort of inadvertent cosleeping situation with ds2 even though we "didn't want to" , lol. I read the book but nope we never did it. Ferber does make some arguments about the ills of not getting enough/quality sleep. So that's definitely an interesting counter-argument.

I always wonder if I stripped my kids' ability to self soothe bc we never did cio. Idk.

I'm on my phone right now so it's a,pita to look but when I did cio research a few years ago I came across this website of all people who claim they can recall the pain from cio. Seemed nutty but yes cio didn't feel right to me so who knows.

Eta I didn't notice the shit storm other thread. I thought this op was just random. Oops

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Posted 10/5/12 7:18 PM
 

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Posted by SecretTTCer

OMG! This is the most ridiculous article I have ever read. I am a psychologist who specializes in behavior therapy and a tenured professor of psychology. Just this week, I presented two lectures on Watson and his experiments! The author of this inane article is spewing complete garbage. Her characterization of Watson and other behaviorists is not based in any science whatsoever!!!!! She completely misrepresents psychological research. Honestly, this is completely laughable.




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Posted 10/5/12 7:22 PM
 

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Oh please. This is the MOST RIDICULOUS thing ever. Please just go away. Go find another forum to harass, annoy and be silly with. Chat Icon

Posted 10/5/12 7:43 PM
 

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I am curious though what the OP's sleep " method" is bc our sleeping situation is messed up. I definitely can't say oh we didn't do cio but everything is awesome. Ds2 never wants to go to bed, lol, and it is actually a drain on me many nights/days.

Posted 10/5/12 8:01 PM
 

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omg!!! Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon

Posted 10/5/12 8:03 PM
 

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I bet you the mother of the Son of Sam did CIO.
I bet you.

It causes not only irritable bowel syndrome, it also causes you to hear your neighbors dog telling you to kill people later in life!

This is all making sense now.



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Posted 10/5/12 8:06 PM
 

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Posted by NervousNell

I bet you the mother of the Son of Sam did CIO.
I bet you.

It causes not only irritable bowel syndrome, it also causes you to hear your neighbors dog telling you to kill people later in life!

This is all making sense now.



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Posted 10/5/12 8:31 PM
 

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Spin Off: Dangers of CIO

I don't think my son will have IBS because of our letting him CIO. You should not compare that to CIO. Just my opinion ..but..I will say that other abuse may do that but not a sleep method.

Posted 10/5/12 8:44 PM
 

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OMG! This is the most ridiculous article I have ever read. I am a psychologist who specializes in behavior therapy and a tenured professor of psychology. Just this week, I presented two lectures on Watson and his experiments! The author of this inane article is spewing complete garbage. Her characterization of Watson and other behaviorists is not based in any science whatsoever!!!!!



Whatever your professional paradigm...I think it's important to let the readers know that Watson's son committed suicide. His behaviorist theories were precursors to the CIO methods, which involve extinction. Sorry...but we're raising humans not herding cattle.

Posted 10/5/12 8:47 PM
 

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Spin Off: Dangers of CIO

I did not do CIO, but I think this is ridiculous. I don't think allowing your child to CIO can be compared to herding cattle??

Posted 10/5/12 8:51 PM
 

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I think we need a "soapbox" with Grill's name on it


This is actually pretty funny! Thanks for the laugh. I have a few boxes I'd be honored to shout from the rooftops :)

Posted 10/5/12 8:53 PM
 

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Posted by Grill
I think it's important to let the readers know that Watson's son committed suicide.



Must be because his parents let him CIO...Chat Icon

Posted 10/5/12 8:59 PM
 

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I did cio with my ds. My sil did not. Both kids are the same age just 2 mos apart.

My ds can put himself to sleep anywhere, is well behaved, mostly calm, extremely independent and is on par with all developmental milestones.

Sil's ds is a pusher, has sharing issues, clings to her like white on rice, and at 3yrs old barely speaks in sentences.

It has nothing to do w cio. It has to do w parenting and how you raise and nurture your children. So go sell your crazy somewhere else. We're all full here.

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Posted 10/5/12 9:08 PM
 

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Posted by Grill


OMG! This is the most ridiculous article I have ever read. I am a psychologist who specializes in behavior therapy and a tenured professor of psychology. Just this week, I presented two lectures on Watson and his experiments! The author of this inane article is spewing complete garbage. Her characterization of Watson and other behaviorists is not based in any science whatsoever!!!!!



Whatever your professional paradigm...I think it's important to let the readers know that Watson's son committed suicide. His behaviorist theories were precursors to the CIO methods, which involve extinction. Sorry...but we're raising humans not herding cattle.



WTF does his son committing suicide have to do with his theories? Does this mean that every person who committed suicide blamed their parents? Where the hell does that come from?

I am not a parent yet but am well versed with Watson's theories and know that there is balance needed everywhere in life.

Posted 10/5/12 9:10 PM
 
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