Re: Can you talk me into breastfeeding

Re: Can you talk me into breastfeeding

Posted by brownie

Reading some of these posts along with some annoying girls I know that CONSTANTLY push BFing (even when they're past those years, but still want to keep pushing it on everyone) really get me upset. I know its no one's fault but mine but DD couldn't latch, they wanted to snip her tongue-tie which I was opposed to (no one really knows if that would help). I BF for a little bit and then pumped. I always carry some guilt about not being able to get her to latch...like I said, it's no one's fault except mine but reading some of these posts (and the pushiness I feel from some people around me) just makes me feel so bad

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Posted by bayla

Posted by DeniseMarie


What about the "My Brest Friend"? Is that strongly recommended?

Again - thanks everyone!

I loved the my brest friend for BF. Made it so much more comfy for me and my DS (more then the boppy). But thats just for the baby to stay on while you are BFing, it's not a cover

Re: Can you talk me into breastfeeding

Posted by ashap215

Posted by BaseballWidow

Posted by Grill

Breast is truly best. It is specific fats, proteins, and nutrients for a human baby whereas formula contains milk that has specific fats, proteins and nutrients for baby cows. There is no question which would be healthier for a new human baby. Furthermore, since breast is best, I believe that you owe it to both your newborn and your older child to do the best thing by both of them. Even if you didn't BF #1, it is an incredible lesson to model to your children that you can evolve into a stronger mother who makes better decisions and incorporates new information as it becomes available. I know this may seem like a harsh, insensitve position, but it is one that I firmly believe in. Happy Mama=Happy Baby....but that argument only goes so far with me, especially when long term health and well being are at stake. I don't like to hear people say....'my 5 year old was FF and is fine'... It's way too early to see the ramifications of this mother's choice. Sometimes we don't see it until the senior years...but it DOES matter. Parenthood requires profound sacrifices...and BFing is one that I find non-negotiable. Sorry for my diatribe. Best of luck to you in your decision though. Oh and....you don't need to buy anything to BF. It's also the cheapest feeding method. Nursing covers aren't necessary. You can use a receiving blanket if you want to cover up. : )

Jeez, I hope you'd give some slack to those of us that have major supply issues due to hormonal imbalances (PCOS) and HAD to give our child formula for them to survive. Can you negotiate around that?

I have PCOS too...we must be terrible mothers and making our kids stupid by formula feeding. It would've been better to give DD the minimal milk I did produce and watch her starve.

I hope Grill wasn't formula fed as a baby!

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Message edited 8/14/2011 3:20:24 PM.

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I'll be the first to admit that I'm particularly sensitive to certain pro-BF arguments because sometimes they are worded in a way that implies that you are doing a disservice to your child if you FF. And because I had no choice in the matter, I take offense. It's my own personal issue, and I know that.
I also find that most of the time people are non-judgemental in their responses about the topic. But there's usually one person who words their response in a way that seems judgmental and insensitive.
I honestly don't care how someone chooses to feed their child....but I don't like to be made to feel badly about what I did. And so, when I see a response like that, I try to point out that it's not always a choice, and you should keep that in mind. Because it is such an emotional thing for me.

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Message edited 8/14/2011 5:28:02 PM.

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This thread has taken a ridiculous and sad turn. The subject of the thread is "Can you TALK ME INTO BF" - so I want to know - why would someone who 100% formula fed even open this thread? Why is what you have to say even remotely relevant to this topic? Why would you come on this thread only to try to dispute the benefits of BF (whether your argument is true or not). It really doesn't make sense! If this were a FF thread and someone posted can you talk me into FF and BF moms came on and started bashing FF moms etc. everyone would go nuts but b/c it is the reverse it is ok? If you 100% FF and are comfortable with your decision then, why do you feel the need to defend yourself on a thread that the original post did not present one question to you?

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Re: Can you talk me into breastfeeding

Posted by Goobster

Posted by Palebride

I honestly don't care how someone chooses to feed their child....but I don't like to be made to feel badly about what I did. And so, when I see a response like that, I try to point out that it's not always a choice, and you should keep that in mind. Because it is such an emotional thing for me.

I feel for you and many others who could NOT BF but truly wanted to. I chose not to, so I can remove my personal emotion from it (for me). But I can certainly see how it would upset someone who wanted to but could not.

There are absolutely some women who BF, that absolutely MAKE IT CLEAR that think they are superior and their children will be superior (in health or intelligence) to those of us who FF and they present their opinion and belief as fact (vs opinion) and that belief is what pressures someone like Denise to BF and then feel like a failure if she cannot continue (or chooses not to). It's that kind of KNOCKING that causes this debate. So to those women I say, Get over yourself and your magical breast milk. Seriously.

Message edited 8/14/2011 3:37:06 PM.

Re: Can you talk me into breastfeeding

Posted by Porrruss

Posted by brownie

Reading some of these posts along with some annoying girls I know that CONSTANTLY push BFing (even when they're past those years, but still want to keep pushing it on everyone) really get me upset. I know its no one's fault but mine but DD couldn't latch, they wanted to snip her tongue-tie which I was opposed to (no one really knows if that would help). I BF for a little bit and then pumped. I always carry some guilt about not being able to get her to latch...like I said, it's no one's fault except mine but reading some of these posts (and the pushiness I feel from some people around me) just makes me feel so bad

But wasn't this a post specifically ASKING for people to "push BFing".

While I agree that Grill's response wasn't exactly worded well- it's her opinion she gathered from doing her own research.

Everyone needs to stop internalizing this debate. BFing is hard. It requires huge commitments and sacrifices. Some women aren't committed enough to deal with the inconveniences, some aren't willing to change their lifestyle to better their chances of being successful. Others just physically aren't able to. Some just plain old skeeve it.

WHY do people seem to always get their panties in a bunch when this topic comes up? Why can't BFers be proponents and proud without being labeled as pushing it on others? Why is celebrating and promoting this success always looked at as an insult to those who chose not to or were unable to BF?

Message edited 8/14/2011 3:39:47 PM.

Re: Can you talk me into breastfeeding

Posted by itsbabytime

Posted by Goobster

I wrote this while you were writing your response! I understand why you opened the post now but, I still don't think this was the place to attack someone for posting their best argument in favor of BF. Clearly they weren't trying to make FF moms feel bad b/c why would they even be reading this thread unless they wanted to be talked into BF?

Message edited 8/14/2011 3:40:46 PM.

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Posted by Goobster
So to those women I say, Get over yourself and your magical breast milk. Seriously.

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Re: Can you talk me into breastfeeding

Posted by MamaLeen

Posted by Goobster
So to those women I say, Get over yourself and your magical breast milk. Seriously.

I really don't think you have taken all of your personal feelings out of this with that statement.

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Posted by itsbabytime

Posted by Goobster

Posted by Palebride

I honestly don't care how someone chooses to feed their child....but I don't like to be made to feel badly about what I did. And so, when I see a response like that, I try to point out that it's not always a choice, and you should keep that in mind. Because it is such an emotional thing for me.

I feel for you and many others who could NOT BF but truly wanted to. I chose not to, so I can remove my personal emotion from it (for me). But I can certainly see how it would upset someone who wanted to but could not.

There are absolutely some women who BF, that absolutely MAKE IT CLEAR that think they are superior and their children will be superior (in health or intelligence) to those of us who FF and they present their opinion and belief as fact (vs opinion) and that belief is what pressures someone like Denise to BF and then feel like a failure if she cannot continue (or chooses not to). It's that kind of KNOCKING that causes this debate. So to those women I say, Get over yourself and your magical breast milk. Seriously.

Goobster - you know I usually agree with you on everything But, here I think this is the wrong place wrong time for this argument. Honestly, if you have removed all personal emotion from the issue than why are you on this thread? Obviously on a thread where someone ASKED to be TALKED into BF you are going to get very pro BF arguments. So this kind of argument "get over yourself and your magical BM" - what do you even mean by that and can you see how that would be completely the opp of what you should be posting on this thread? And, honestly, maybe you need to say the same thing to all the doctors, nurses, hosptials, peds and the formula companies themselves (that clearly display BM is best on their bottles) that all push BM over FF. I guess they need to get over themselves too?

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I think there are lots of amazing and positive things that can be said for breastfeeding WITHOUT bashing FFing moms. I just don't get the inability to talk about this topic with making it a pi$$ing match.
FTR: I was talked into breastfeeding by my DH. It was not something I desired but felt so much pressure and guilt that I did it. I EBF'd DD#1 for 9 months and I found it VERY difficult and did not love it. I swear it was the cause of my SEVERE PPD. It is not for everyone and no matter the reason, mom's that choose to FF should NOT be made to feel bad!
OK, I am done now

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Posted by itsbabytime

So this kind of argument "get over yourself and your magical BM" - what do you even mean by that and can you see how that would be completely the opp of what you should be posting on this thread? And, honestly, maybe you need to say the same thing to all the doctors, nurses, hosptials, peds and the formula companies themselves (that clearly display BM is best on their bottles) that all push BM over FF. I guess they need to get over themselves too?

Message edited 8/14/2011 3:56:58 PM.

Re: Can you talk me into breastfeeding

Posted by ashap215

Posted by BaseballWidow

Posted by Grill

Breast is truly best. It is specific fats, proteins, and nutrients for a human baby whereas formula contains milk that has specific fats, proteins and nutrients for baby cows. There is no question which would be healthier for a new human baby. Furthermore, since breast is best, I believe that you owe it to both your newborn and your older child to do the best thing by both of them. Even if you didn't BF #1, it is an incredible lesson to model to your children that you can evolve into a stronger mother who makes better decisions and incorporates new information as it becomes available. I know this may seem like a harsh, insensitve position, but it is one that I firmly believe in. Happy Mama=Happy Baby....but that argument only goes so far with me, especially when long term health and well being are at stake. I don't like to hear people say....'my 5 year old was FF and is fine'... It's way too early to see the ramifications of this mother's choice. Sometimes we don't see it until the senior years...but it DOES matter. Parenthood requires profound sacrifices...and BFing is one that I find non-negotiable. Sorry for my diatribe. Best of luck to you in your decision though. Oh and....you don't need to buy anything to BF. It's also the cheapest feeding method. Nursing covers aren't necessary. You can use a receiving blanket if you want to cover up. : )

Jeez, I hope you'd give some slack to those of us that have major supply issues due to hormonal imbalances (PCOS) and HAD to give our child formula for them to survive. Can you negotiate around that?

I have PCOS too...we must be terrible mothers and making our kids stupid by formula feeding. It would've been better to give DD the minimal milk I did produce and watch her starve.

I hope Grill wasn't formula fed as a baby!

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Posted by Goobster

Posted by itsbabytime

So this kind of argument "get over yourself and your magical BM" - what do you even mean by that and can you see how that would be completely the opp of what you should be posting on this thread? And, honestly, maybe you need to say the same thing to all the doctors, nurses, hosptials, peds and the formula companies themselves (that clearly display BM is best on their bottles) that all push BM over FF. I guess they need to get over themselves too?

But see, I said that to the women who BF who make it very clear that they believe they or their child will be superior in some form (health or intelligence) and actually go as far as to say that a FF child can suffer even into old age? That's insanity. I guess anyone can believe what they want, but I can't sit back and have my friend be talked into BF by THAT statement. I felt compelled to reply just as many others did. So I didn't say it to everyone who BF, to be very clear. It's one thing to do what's best for you, but it's another to imply others HARMED their child. That's just wrong and if someone posts something so insensitive and harsh as what Grill wrote, then they are the people I am referring to (again, not you or all BFers) with this statement.

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Posted by Porrruss

Posted by Goobster

Posted by itsbabytime

So this kind of argument "get over yourself and your magical BM" - what do you even mean by that and can you see how that would be completely the opp of what you should be posting on this thread? And, honestly, maybe you need to say the same thing to all the doctors, nurses, hosptials, peds and the formula companies themselves (that clearly display BM is best on their bottles) that all push BM over FF. I guess they need to get over themselves too?

But see, I said that to the women who BF who make it very clear that they believe they or their child will be superior in some form (health or intelligence) and actually go as far as to say that a FF child can suffer even into old age? That's insanity. I guess anyone can believe what they want, but I can't sit back and have my friend be talked into BF by THAT statement. I felt compelled to reply just as many others did. So I didn't say it to everyone who BF, to be very clear. It's one thing to do what's best for you, but it's another to imply others HARMED their child. That's just wrong and if someone posts something so insensitive and harsh as what Grill wrote, then they are the people I am referring to (again, not you or all BFers) with this statement.

But don't you think that citing "articles" that say that BFing causes allergies and asthma is just as insensitive? I get that what Grill said was harsh (but she said it's her *stance*- she didn't say it was fact), but you were just as wrong as far as I'm concerned......

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