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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
Posted by Ophelia
I posted this b/c breast feeding is tough and as much as I LOVE it, sometimes it just weighs on you.
between the pumping at work, Luce still waking up for 3 feedings during the night (which only I can do) and the times, like on Sunday night when we just walked through the door, sheets needed to be put on the bed and Luce wakes up screaming for a feeding...that I want to give up.
it was meant to be a pick me up b/c I NEEDED one and know that some other ladies do too.
for those of you who think we "big it up" too much, it's b/c we try to be there to support each other b/c unless you've been there....it's hard to understand. so yeah, maybe we do need more "cheerleading" than a formula feeder does. it takes a different kind of toll.
really, I meant no disrespect to ANYONE and I am sorry it was taken that way.
but I am equally not feeling so hot about the turn this thread has taken. I don't think that is fair either.
Not sure why people are so insulted at your post! I'm glad you posted this article because we BFers def need support and it def reinforces all that we are doing for our children!!
My DS is 14 months, still wakes often throughout the night to eat and I'm exhausted! But when I read stuff like this, it makes me realize that its all worth it! 
Again, thanks for posting the article! 
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
Posted by eddiesmommy
i think supplementing is different from EFF....that last post rubbed me the wrong way, and Im not going to apologize for it.
I dont think its so uncalled for, you said, FF moms havent been there and dont understand.....some of us have. I dont see how that doesnt apply to me.
I am sorry but I NEVER said that. you INFERED that but I never said it.
there are PLENTY of formula feeders that started out as breast feeders. I NEVER said, implied, or thought otherwise.
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
Posted by shamrock124
I would love to see articles like this used to provide insight in to the need of better maternity/paternity mandates with in the US. Maternity/paternity leave is deplorable in this country as compared to other industrialized countries and articles like this provide insight in to the needs of revamping.
ABSOLUTELY!
It is very difficult for moms to EBF for 6 months when FMLA lasts 3 months. Not to mention that FMLA is unpaid and only applies to companies with over 50 employees, so many moms are forced to go back to work even earlier.
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
Posted by pinkandblue
Posted by eddiesmommy
you said, FF moms havent been there and dont understand.....some of us have. I dont see how that doesnt apply to me.
it doesn't apply to you because you HAVE been there....I don't understand the issue here
bc they way it was written, I interpreted it as FF moms just dont understand......my point was that some of us do. It didnt say "some" FF moms dont understand. DS was almost exclusively FF, I never BF, I just tried to for 3 months.
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
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Posted by eddiesmommy
i think supplementing is different from EFF....that last post rubbed me the wrong way, and Im not going to apologize for it.
I dont think its so uncalled for, you said, FF moms havent been there and dont understand.....some of us have. I dont see how that doesnt apply to me.
I am sorry but I NEVER said that. you INFERED that but I never said it.
there are PLENTY of formula feeders that started out as breast feeders. I NEVER said, implied, or thought otherwise.
you said it RIGHT here
"it's b/c we (IM ASSUMING BFing MOMS) try to be there to support each other b/c unless you've been there....it's hard to understand. so yeah, maybe we do need more "cheerleading" than a formula feeder does. it takes a different kind of toll."
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
Posted by eddiesmommy
you said it RIGHT here
"it's b/c we (IM ASSUMING BFing MOMS) try to be there to support each other b/c unless you've been there....it's hard to understand. so yeah, maybe we do need more "cheerleading" than a formula feeder does. it takes a different kind of toll."
I think of my self to be a reasonably intelligent person with decent reading comprehension abilities.
I DO NOT see where I said that formula feeders as a group would not know.
what I said was, UNLESS YOU"VE BEEN THERE...clearly people who breast feed HAVE been there. clearly people who USED TO BREAST FEED have been there, clearly people who has EVER TRIED has been there.
you see it b/c you have completely internalized this...but that is NOT what I meant and NOT what is there. sorry.
EFS: good thing I don't consider myself to be a good speller  
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by eddiesmommy
you said it RIGHT here
"it's b/c we (IM ASSUMING BFing MOMS) try to be there to support each other b/c unless you've been there....it's hard to understand. so yeah, maybe we do need more "cheerleading" than a formula feeder does. it takes a different kind of toll."
I think of my self to be a reasonable intelligent person with decent reading comprehension abilities.
I DO NOT see where I said that formula feeders as a group would not know.
what I said what, UNLESS YOU"VE BEEN THERE...clearly people who breast feed HAVE been there. clearly people who USED TO BREAST FEED have been there, clearly people who has EVER TRIED has been there.
you see it b/c you have completely internalized this...but that is NOT what I meant and NOT what is there. sorry.
you know what, we can go back and forth all day on semantics....but I wont. I have a problem with something you said, and it wasnt your OP. I even said in an earlier post that I know it wasnt the intention of your OP, I even said that. It was the latest rash of posts.......
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
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Posted by pinkandblue
Posted by eddiesmommy
you said, FF moms havent been there and dont understand.....some of us have. I dont see how that doesnt apply to me.
it doesn't apply to you because you HAVE been there....I don't understand the issue here
bc they way it was written, I interpreted it as FF moms just dont understand......my point was that some of us do. It didnt say "some" FF moms dont understand. DS was almost exclusively FF, I never BF, I just tried to for 3 months.
I thought she meant EFF don't understand and she IMO she is right. As a FF, I don't understand, or pretend to and feel no offensive by the comment. I don't think of you as part of the collective "you" here, since you DID try and therefore , do understand in part as it applies to her comment.
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
I read this article the other day in the newspaper.
It made me feel better the next day when I was pumping @ 4am, dragging that #@$@ pump on the train and home again.
But I did not post it because I did not want to start anything or upset anyone.
Just like I wouldn't want to read an article about how if 90% of moms were SAHM the crime rate would be lower, etc.
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
Why can't we just give credit to the breastfeeders for giving the best possible nutrition to their babies? Why pick everything apart and start arguing semantics over what it means to "have been there"?
I breastfed my first child and formula fed my second child. I'm not going to delude myself into thinking I gave the "best" product to my child when I formula fed. I gave an excellent one that I trusted and felt confident about, yes... but I still acknowledged that it was second-best to breast milk. No need to tear anyone down or deny facts to make myself feel better about my choices.
And since I did BF my first, I completely understand the positive reinforcement that BFing moms need to keep up the routine. It is a hell of a lot harder than mixing up a bottle of formula, trust me.
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
Posted by computergirl
Why can't we just give credit to the breastfeeders for giving the best possible nutrition to their babies?
Because it makes people who couldn't/didn't feel like SH!T to think that they did something wrong by their child?
Obviously, you understand that since you said you BFed one child and FFed your second.
I don't understand how people don't understand that.
And this isn't even me, I could give two craps, I know I did what was best for MY child, but c'mon, you don't see how that could be upsetting to someone?
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
Posted by computergirl
Why can't we just give credit to the breastfeeders for giving the best possible nutrition to their babies?
It is a hell of a lot harder than mixing up a bottle of formula, trust me.
I really should just stop opening this post.
Im not even going to reply bc I have nothing nice to say, now Im just angry.
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
Posted by KateDevine
Because it makes people who couldn't/didn't feel like SH!T to think that they did something wrong by their child?
Obviously, you understand that since you said you BFed one child and FFed your second.
Honestly... NOT trying to stir up drama, but I don't get why giving credit to the BFers makes the FFers feel like shyte? So what if formula gets an A and breastmilk gets an A+? Does everyone have to delude themselves into thinking their choice is "best"? Does everyone have to get an award for participation, KWIM?
Why can't we be adults about it and acknowledge that even though we made a safe and excellent choice with formula, there is a better product out there?
And if you ended up FF *not* by choice, well sometimes we don't get to provide everything we wish we could for our child. Unless you're a multi-millionaire, your child is probably missing out on other opportunities in life, too... so breastmilk is just the first of many things to feel guilty about not being able to provide.
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
I saw this study on the news last week & wanted to post it - but thought it would get twisted into something negative - which it looks like it has. It's amazing how anything with regards to BFing on LIF turns into several pages of back & forth BS.
Ophelia - you should have posted it on the BF support thread. It would have avoided the attacks you don't deserve.
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
Posted by KateDevine
you don't see how that could be upsetting to someone?
I see a bagillion of posts on here every day that could upset someone for one reason or another.
of course, it's not the intention of the OP do cause that, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
so where does that leave us? posting only "safe" topics? what are those? what about the people who NEED to read this stuff and discuss it? should we not for fear of INADVERTENTLY upsetting someone?
what about when SAHM's post pics of their kids at the beach/park/merry go round while us workng moms think of our lil ones locked up at someone's home or day care?
what about moms with more disposable income posting all the cute clothes/toys they buy?
what about ff moms who post about their kids sleeping through the night at 6 weeks old?
all of those things *could* upset those who are not in the same position. but that is NOT the intent. and we need to be able to talk about what WE are doing/going through. that is why this site exists.
of course we don't want to hurt people's feelings, but in a world where we all MAKE different choices, or have different choices MADE for us, there is bound to be things that we wish for that we don't have.
that doesn't mean they don't exist. or that we shouldn't acknowlege it.
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
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Posted by computergirl
Why can't we just give credit to the breastfeeders for giving the best possible nutrition to their babies?
Because it makes people who couldn't/didn't feel like SH!T to think that they did something wrong by their child?
Obviously, you understand that since you said you BFed one child and FFed your second.
I don't understand how people don't understand that.
And this isn't even me, I could give two craps, I know I did what was best for MY child, but c'mon, you don't see how that could be upsetting to someone?
Honestly, I don't think BF moms need credit "for giving the best possible nutrition to their babies" but credit, once in a while, b/c it's freaking hard. I think it's nice to acknowledge that BF is challenge that needs support. NOT to say that FF moms are doing wrong by their children in ANY way, shape or form.
Personally, if I didn't get support from ladies on here, I probably wouldn't have gone 14-months with my 1st and had the tools to do it again.
Everyone gets knocked for something. I get A LOT of comments for long-term nursing. I always heard about it from family/friends once Ryan was 6 months +, once I was pregnant again - as if I was damaging him by nursing him at that age.
And Colin's not 6-months and I have gotten a few times, "you're STILL NURSING??" As if they're grossed out.
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
Posted by lorich
Ophelia - you should have posted it on the BF support thread. It would have avoided the attacks you don't deserve.
I didn't think of that. next time.
thanks.
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No one can make you feel inferior without your permission. --Eleanor Roosevelt
There's not a relative, friend, writer or LIF poster who can *make* me feel anything other than GIDDY at the fact that formula was available and safe for my DS. Doesn't matter what POV the writer takes, I just don't feel one iota of regret about it...
But if anyone is struggling with making the decision to FF or the inability to BF, surely the answer lies in ACCEPTING your situation rather than stomping out the opposing view???? Sometimes the people who are hardest on us are.. well, US!
My point being: an article that's "PRO-BF" isn't by definition, "ANTI-FORMULA" and shouldn't be interpreted as such.
I give MAJOR props to anyone who did/does BF. MAJOR. And I give just as many ^5s to the FF'ers.
 or (o)(o), food is good.
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
Here is the study I saw on the news last week -
Maybe coming from a different source not Dr. Greene will make everyone happy? 
http://wcbstv.com/national/breast.feeding.study.2.1611583.html
Apr 5, 2010 6:45 am US/Eastern Study: Breast-Feeding Saves Lives, Cuts Costs
The lives of nearly 900 babies would be saved each year, along with billions of dollars, if 90 percent of U.S. women breast-fed their babies for the first six months of life, a cost analysis says.
Those startling results, published online Monday in the journal Pediatrics, are only an estimate. But several experts who reviewed the analysis said the methods and conclusions seem sound.
"The health care system has got to be aware that breast-feeding makes a profound difference," said Dr. Ruth Lawrence, who heads the American Academy of Pediatrics' breast-feeding section.
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Federal Government Resources On Breastfeeding, Women's Health
The findings suggest that there are hundreds of deaths and many more costly illnesses each year from health problems that breast-feeding may help prevent. These include stomach viruses, ear infections, asthma, juvenile diabetes, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome and even childhood leukemia.
The magnitude of health benefits linked to breast-feeding is vastly underappreciated, said lead author Dr. Melissa Bartick, an internist and instructor at Harvard Medical School. Breast-feeding is sometimes considered a lifestyle choice, but Bartick calls it a public health issue.
Among the benefits: Breast milk contains antibodies that help babies fight infections; it also can affect insulin levels in the blood, which may make breast-fed babies less likely to develop diabetes and obesity.
The analysis studied the prevalence of 10 common childhood illnesses, costs of treating those diseases, including hospitalization, and the level of disease protection other studies have linked with breast-feeding.
The $13 billion in estimated losses due to the low breast-feeding rate includes an economists' calculation partly based on lost potential lifetime wages - $10.56 million per death.
The methods were similar to a widely cited 2001 government report that said $3.6 billion could be saved each year if 50 percent of mothers breast-fed their babies for six months. Medical costs have climbed since then and breast-feeding rates have increased only slightly.
About 43 percent of U.S. mothers do at least some breast-feeding for six months, but only 12 percent follow government guidelines recommending that babies receive only breast milk for six months.
Dr. Larry Gray, a University of Chicago pediatrician, called the analysis compelling and said it's reasonable to strive for 90 percent compliance.
But he also said mothers who don't breast-feed for six months shouldn't be blamed or made to feel guilty, because their jobs and other demands often make it impossible to do so.
"We'd all love as pediatricians to be able to carry this information into the boardrooms by saying we all gain by small changes at the workplace" that encourage breast-feeding, Gray said.
Bartick said there are some encouraging signs. The government's new health care overhaul requires large employers to provide private places for working mothers to pump breast milk. And under a provision enacted April 1 by the Joint Commission, a hospital accrediting agency, hospitals may be evaluated on their efforts to ensure that newborns are fed only breast milk before they're sent home.
The pediatrics academy says babies should be given a chance to start breast-feeding immediately after birth. Bartick said that often doesn't happen, and at many hospitals newborns are offered formula even when their mothers intend to breast-feed.
"Hospital practices need to change to be more in line with evidence-based care," Bartick said. "We really shouldn't be blaming mothers for this."
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
Posted by colette
No one can make you feel inferior without your permission. --Eleanor Roosevelt
There's not a relative, friend, writer or LIF poster who can *make* me feel anything other than GIDDY at the fact that formula was available and safe for my DS. Doesn't matter what POV the writer takes, I just don't feel one iota of regret about it...
But if anyone is struggling with making the decision to FF or the inability to BF, surely the answer lies in ACCEPTING your situation rather than stomping out the opposing view???? Sometimes the people who are hardest on us are.. well, US!
My point being: an article that's "PRO-BF" isn't by definition, "ANTI-FORMULA" and shouldn't be interpreted as such.
I give MAJOR props to anyone who did/does BF. MAJOR. And I give just as many ^5s to the FF'ers.
or (o)(o), food is good.
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by KateDevine
you don't see how that could be upsetting to someone?
I see a bagillion of posts on here every day that could upset someone for one reason or another.
of course, it's not the intention of the OP do cause that, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
so where does that leave us? posting only "safe" topics? what are those? what about the people who NEED to read this stuff and discuss it? should we not for fear of INADVERTENTLY upsetting someone?
what about when SAHM's post pics of their kids at the beach/park/merry go round while us workng moms think of our lil ones locked up at someone's home or day care?
what about moms with more disposable income posting all the cute clothes/toys they buy?
what about ff moms who post about their kids sleeping through the night at 6 weeks old?
all of those things *could* upset those who are not in the same position. but that is NOT the intent. and we need to be able to talk about what WE are doing/going through. that is why this site exists.
of course we don't want to hurt people's feelings, but in a world where we all MAKE different choices, or have different choices MADE for us, there is bound to be things that we wish for that we don't have.
that doesn't mean they don't exist. or that we shouldn't acknowlege it.
no, I dont think there needs to be an extreme. Just a understanding that there are certain "hot button" topics that people are going to get fired up and upset over and understand that when you (the collective) posts, whether its an OP or a response in a thread, its going to happen everytime with hot button topics. I think that expectation needs to be there, that you MAY upset someone, whether you intended to or not.
I have no problem with being personally upset or angered or fired up over a particular post....it happens, there are certain issues and comments that push my buttons. We all have "buttons", I come on here with the understanding that Im not going to like everything I hear, I dont expect to be tiptoed around, but I also expect that when a post upsets me to not be told that its my problem not the OP. We all have every right to feel as passionately about the otherside to a posted topic as OPs do in regards to the topics they post.
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Honestly, I don't think BF moms need credit "for giving the best possible nutrition to their babies" but credit, once in a while, b/c it's freaking hard. I think it's nice to acknowledge that BF is challenge that needs support. NOT to say that FF moms are doing wrong by their children in ANY way, shape or form.
Exactly.
We are all doing what is best for our children.
But when I say that BFing is harder than taking the NYS Bar exam, I am not kidding. Between sore nips in the beginning, exhaustion because really, no one can help you unless you pump, even if you pump, you still have to get up to pump and pumping is a PITA, and numerous struggles and opinions, it is challenging. Now try to take that baby out and BF in public, drama for a totally different thread. I don't get looks if I give DD a pumped bottle, but sure as heck I do for BFing in public! It is a daunting task when you have little support and these articles are a pick me up for those who are BFing.
I will not say FF is not without challenges, because I know many of my friends here who struggle with switching formulas a bunch of times, the cost, cleaning bottles, warming bottles, etc, etc. But BFing is physically draining and I think O posted this article not to bash those who aren't BFing for whatever reason but to give those of us who are a nice pick me up.
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
This happens every time
people need to STOP internalizing everything, it is getting ridiculous...
i DO have anger/sadness that I could not BF ds for longer but I give props to all the moms that can and do, it takes alot of dedication
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
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Posted by KateDevine
you don't see how that could be upsetting to someone?
what about ff moms who post about their kids sleeping through the night at 6 weeks old?
Not my FF kid!
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
Thank you for the article, it made me feel better as I EBFed until my DD was 1yr old (my goal) and have continued nursing AM and PM (she is now 15 months old)
It gets hard on me now, because I have done it for 15 months and am continuing to, a part of me wants "my" body back... weaning her is very difficult and she becomes very sad if i try, so i am attempting self-weaning.
Anyway, thanks for the read, it gave me a little "pick me up" to remind me of why im doing this...
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