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ok... im stating MY OPINION HERE.... (long sorry)

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Re: ok... im stating MY OPINION HERE.... (long sorry)

I think motherhood is beautiful in all forms. We all received our blessings in different ways, we feed them in different ways and we clothe them in different ways. But one thing is for sure, we all love our children and we do what's best. People will always have opinions.

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Re: ok... im stating MY OPINION HERE.... (long sorry)

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I think motherhood is beautiful in all forms. We all received our blessings in different ways, we feed them in different ways and we clothe them in different ways. But one thing is for sure, we all love our children and we do what's best. People will always have opinions.



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Posted 5/29/08 10:45 PM
 

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Re: ok... im stating MY OPINION HERE.... (long sorry)

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I say:

"Stay out of my friggin bra!"

(This post was brought to you by someone who is planning on giving BFing the old college try but ain't killing herself if it doesn't work out)




see -i know you are kidding around and i think it is funny so i am not attacking in any way-but this is a very prevalent attitude people have towards BFing moms and it can be hurtful. not that you are doing this but so many other people comment on occasion that they think BFing is too sexually connected or just "gross". you cannot win i think whether you FF or BF Chat Icon
i think it is great you are even considering BFing and i
think it's a great attitude to say i'll try but not put all the importance in the world on it if it doesn't work out!



Not so sure she made me connect Bfing with sex or being gross by saying what she said. I felt like she said...It's her business and that's it.



right, i totally agree and i didn't mean to connect the two. sometimes i just get sensitive too just like the OP feelings on her not BFing.
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No need to apologize - I understand completely. Im not really offended by what you said.

Before becoming PG I was not in the least bit interested in breast feeding and became very put off when people imposed their thoughts upon me in either way - trying to sell breastfeeding to me like a door to door vacuum salesman who won't remove himself from my doorstep until he got through his whole schpiel. I resented and STILL resent the lectures about the benefits of doing it. I am a big girl, I can read and I can make choices too.

Whatever my reasons are/were is of no consequence - I have given much consideration and decided to give it a try. That being said people STILL are pushing me (when the time comes) to "hang in there and just do it and not give up." I simply think it is 100% out of line for people, strangers or friends or family to impose their beliefs upon me. I don't like that about ANY aspect of parenting whether it is BFing vs. bottle feeding, co-sleeping vs. crib in the baby's room, SAHM vs. working full time or anything else that is a hot topic.

By saying what I said, there was no intent to bring anything about sexuality or "gross-ness" into the discussion. I wasn't even thinking about that aspect of breast feeding at all. It was just another way of saying "My body. My choice."

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Posted 5/29/08 10:47 PM
 

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Of course anyone is welcome to "suggest" what is best for your child. But for anyone to shove their opinions down someone's throat is just wrong and unfair. Just like asking someone when they are planning to start a family - how do you not know the couple is struggling to achieve a pregnancy? It is just as inconsiderate to attempt to make any mother feel guilty for not breastfeeding their child when you have no idea WHY they aren't.

It is no one's business whether or not I tried and succeeded or failed. Or maybe there were other reasons it did not work. Anyone who chooses not to BF should not have to answer to people, rather discuss any options with their pediatrician (even the lactation nurses in the hosptials are really rough). But if someone on LIF chooses not to BF and is looking for support, I am right there with my support. I think it is wonderful if you choose to BF your DC - just as equally wonderful if you choose to FF your DC. Giving love to my child is what is important. And I do not react well to anyone suggesting that they know what is best on how we raise DD.

Posted 5/29/08 10:49 PM
 

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Thank You for posting this! DS is 16 months old and sometimes I still feel guilty for not being able to BF.
I thought it was going to be a piece of cake. It wasn't. I was able to do it for about a month. The milk was not coming in fast enough.
DH kept telling me "Hon. You tried." I still felt like I failed.

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Posted 5/29/08 10:51 PM
 

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Re: ok... im stating MY OPINION HERE.... (long sorry)

jmho...
When I had my son I was interogated by the le leche league.
being myson was my first...I listened...
they said no water---pacifier---absolutely nothing.
Well...guess what? noteveryones milk comes in at the same time.
By the time they caught it he was so sick he was on machines and sunken in and the same signs as a drug withdrawal baby...
So what should have been a happy time wastime spent in ICU>
One time---no joke---the le lechewoman actully walked in whileI was showering and started to ream meabout breast feeding..I had only a washcloth over my crotch...
My dd---I pumped and only for a bit---I had a one year oldrunning around and couldn't eat right...
Im myopinion unless u are going toeat the best of everything every darn day its not goodanyhow...
the twins---never produced anything more then a tsp.
Whether its breast feeding....vaccinations...circumcisions noone knows it all.
My son as soon As I fed him thrived on formulaand reached all his milestones months before he was soppose to, so i dk how much I put into the study about breast fed babies are smarter.
I think it starts in pregnancy-how u take care of yourself---if u read and sing and socialize with your kid and in the end its all good...
there is no completeright or wrong either way

Posted 5/29/08 10:59 PM
 

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Re: ok... im stating MY OPINION HERE.... (long sorry)

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You made me feel so much better! I formula fed and have a very happy and healthy little boy!

I am tired of people making me feel bad about this very personal decision!

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I just want the judgment to stop not just with this, but with comments about walking, like SMDL said the other day, etc. No one should judge another mom.

Posted 5/29/08 11:04 PM
 

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Re: ok... im stating MY OPINION HERE.... (long sorry)

My milk never comes in. It broke my heart that I could not breast feed. 2 pregnancies and both had the same result. I seriously think the fact that I couldn't and had put so much pressure on myself to breast feed is what started my PPD. I felt like a failure because I had to have a c-section and then I felt like a failure because I was large busted and couldn't breast feed.

Society puts way too much pressure on us to do it. While the benefits can't be denied, most of us in our 20s and 30s are formula babies and we are ok. I just think people need to think about the pressure they put on others whether they choose to breast feed or not.

To all the moms that EBF I Chat Icon I know that it's difficult and all on you but please don't condemn those of us who are not.

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Posted 5/29/08 11:09 PM
 

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Re: ok... im stating MY OPINION HERE.... (long sorry)

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You made me feel so much better! I formula fed and have a very happy and healthy little boy!

I am tired of people making me feel bad about this very personal decision!

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I just want the judgment to stop not just with this, but with comments about walking, like SMDL said the other day, etc. No one should judge another mom.



I didn't see a post about walking...but I will say...my dd never crawled--she just got upand walked at10 months...
ds---14months!Chat Icon
the twins---just shy of one year---every baby is different and allmilestones are different---all of these things are guidelines---not written in stone

Posted 5/29/08 11:25 PM
 

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Re: ok... im stating MY OPINION HERE.... (long sorry)

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You made me feel so much better! I formula fed and have a very happy and healthy little boy!

I am tired of people making me feel bad about this very personal decision!

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I just want the judgment to stop not just with this, but with comments about walking, like SMDL said the other day, etc. No one should judge another mom.



I didn't see a post about walking...but I will say...my dd never crawled--she just got upand walked at10 months...
ds---14months!Chat Icon
the twins---just shy of one year---every baby is different and allmilestones are different---all of these things are guidelines---not written in stone



It was my post. The nurse at my dr's office made a comment that DS was not walking yet at 11 month. She made sure to tell me HER kids walked at 10 months.

Posted 5/29/08 11:28 PM
 

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Re: ok... im stating MY OPINION HERE.... (long sorry)

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You made me feel so much better! I formula fed and have a very happy and healthy little boy!

I am tired of people making me feel bad about this very personal decision!

Thanks Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon

I just want the judgment to stop not just with this, but with comments about walking, like SMDL said the other day, etc. No one should judge another mom.



I didn't see a post about walking...but I will say...my dd never crawled--she just got upand walked at10 months...
ds---14months!Chat Icon
the twins---just shy of one year---every baby is different and allmilestones are different---all of these things are guidelines---not written in stone



It was my post. The nurse at my dr's office made a comment that DS was not walking yet at 11 month. She made sure to tell me HER kids walked at 10 months.




I wouldn't worry about it----like Ii said---my son walked at14months...imagine that with a newborn and a c-section---and my dd ws10 months but probably to get away from him---remember--these are simply guidlines...everychildis different

Posted 5/29/08 11:33 PM
 

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Re: ok... im stating MY OPINION HERE.... (long sorry)

Good post. I have been on all sides. I could NOT Bf. I was severly anemic, and sick from 9 months of IV medications from throwing up. I had almost no vitamins left in my body, my milk was useless, nor did it ever come in anyway, I convinced myself that I didnt want to BF , it was a coping mechanism.

I see so many BF posts now and wish I had the OPTION, when people like my Ped assume im BF'ing and Im not and have to or feel I have to EXPLAIN all my reasons why it was not even an option to me, it upsets me , hurts and irritates me.

Posted 5/30/08 12:20 AM
 

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Re: ok... im stating MY OPINION HERE.... (long sorry)

Chat Icon it makes me sad to think so many of you guys tried and for different reasons weren't able to BF.

I imagine that does put you in a horrible position....not wanting to get into the why's and what happened with prying strangers.

I hear every confession in the book as to why people weren't able to BF as though they are confessing to a priest.

I don't tell anyone IRL that I BF. I can't handle the critism. I don't like them looking at Josh like he is a little t itty boy.

I will admit though, I am brainwashed into thinking its the best and I do push my sisters to try it when their time comes. That only comes from me having to believe in it in order to keep it up. But I have never said anything to a non-BFer.

Posted 5/30/08 12:24 AM
 

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I tried to BF with DD#2 and after 3 mnths my milk went awayChat Icon so ITA with you !!Chat Icon

Posted 5/30/08 12:37 AM
 

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Posted 5/30/08 12:42 AM
 

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Re: ok... im stating MY OPINION HERE.... (long sorry)

Honestly I tried it didn't work out and I don't feel bad about not BF'ing.....at all. How someone chooses to feed their child is their decision. As long as the child is getting fed I don't see the big deal.

Personally I believe each child is different. I have cousins who breast fed their kids and they were constantly sick...then I have relatives and friends who strictly formula fed and their babies hardly ever get sick. Each child is different.

I give credit to breastfeeding mothers but that doesn't mean their children are any happier or healthier than formula fed children

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Posted 5/30/08 1:45 AM
 

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Re: ok... im stating MY OPINION HERE.... (long sorry)

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it's interesting.....but for me, who BF'd exclusively-people seemed very judgemental towards me.

every time i went to the ped. i got formula i did not want or ask for. it was just handed over same thing in the hospital/

i got strange looks from my IL's and family when i had to go in another room to BF like it was "gross"

people were rude if i had to BF in public (covered up) staring

some would say-don't you want DH to help you with nighttime feedings? like i was nuts to take full feeding responsibility.

or i was asked:
when are you going to STOP BFing???? like it was a bad thing.
so i know where you are coming from,,, but just so you know, BFing moms get their share of opinions and negativity in some respect.

you do the best you can either way. i say who cares?-as long as your child is well taken care of and happy and healthy-you have done your job!

edited to add that although DD was BF'd she is a peanut at around 18lbs at almost a year!




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I experienced more grief for my decision to BF than if I tried to formula feed.

Posted 5/30/08 6:22 AM
 

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Re: ok... im stating MY OPINION HERE.... (long sorry)

I felt guilty for a tiny while until I realized how great he was doing on formula.

If a child is thriving and doing well and the mom is happy there should be no guilt involved.

The guilt is from the endless push out there to BF. Like you are doing a disservice to your child if you don't.

Good lord. I mean here we are, moms that do everything for their kids well being. We obsess over every tiny thing, make sure they are healthy, happy, stimulated etc...

I understand 100% the guilt put on moms for not breastfeeding....but what is funny is that although many moms start off breastfeeding, that percentage severely drops after a short time. If it were easy and wonderful for everyone we'd all do it. I believe that over 50% of moms formula feed!! We shouldn't have half of all moms out there beating themselves up for giving their kids alterative nutrition to breastmilk!! Our kids are great and smart and healthy so who the F cares??? LOL!! That is my attitude about it.

It's funny...with all going on with my son, the way he was fed is now last on my mind.

Posted 5/30/08 7:12 AM
 

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Posted 5/30/08 7:23 AM
 

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Re: ok... im stating MY OPINION HERE.... (long sorry)

Wow. I'm sorry you have so much resentment when it comes to breastfeeding. But, as mothers, we get it from all sides. As others have posted, breastfeeding mothers are often alientated and made to feel bad if we dare feed our children around other people or if we dare continue to breastfeed beyond 6 months.

I think the hype about breastfeeding comes from the fact that our society looked down on it for so long. Now, the benefits have been established, there is a push to make it more mainstream. It may seem overblown at times, but I think as breastfeeding becomes more mainstream, the hype will subside, because there will be less of a need to educate people about it.

Honestly, I don't understand why anyone would feel bad for using formula. That's your parenting choice and as long as you feel good and cofident about it, why would you care what anyone else thinks?

Posted 5/30/08 7:25 AM
 

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Re: ok... im stating MY OPINION HERE.... (long sorry)

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Honestly, I don't understand why anyone would feel bad for using formula. That's your parenting choice and as long as you feel good and cofident about it, why would you care what anyone else thinks?




you make good points!!

I just wanted to respond to this one part...some FF moms feel badly when you have a mom who breastfeeds ask you "why didn't you BF??". And you answer "Well b/c truthfully i hated it, it wasn't for us and he's doing great on formula". And the next comment is "well at least I hope he got some colostrum".

That is a conversation that happened between me and a mom when johnny was 2 weeks old. What place did she have to give me a shocked look over my choice and say "hope he got colostrum". I was comfortable in my choice and happy yet she felt the need to make me question it, even for a brief second. Like my child is suffering whereas her child was better off..

Funny thing is that this mom had to switch to similac alimentum after 2 months because her son is allergic to every single food you can think of. He is now 20 months old and still on alimentum. She was devestated to stop the breastfeeding and I was there to help her through it all...but I will never forget the criticism.

That is ONE isolated event...and most breastfeeding moms have never said a thing and we all get along, lol. But it takes one frowny face to make the guilt set in..

Posted 5/30/08 7:33 AM
 

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Re: ok... im stating MY OPINION HERE.... (long sorry)

I agree with you totally.

And it goes BEYOND breastfeeding too. Mom's are often made to feel like cr*p over a variety of things on a daily basis. Look at the co-sleeping thing.. I had a tinge of guilt reading that it is now considered 'dangerous' and that government officials would be talking about how dangerous it is. And then seeing people say they are opposed to it makes me feel like it is something tantamount to beating your child. And I know that those folks probably meant opposed for themselves - but the word itself just rubbed me wrong. I mean I am opposed to slavery, apartheid, child abuse, puppy mills, etc..

I did BF - but I was told it was 'nasty' and 'gross' by my IL's. I was also chastized and got eye rolls over my decision to co-sleep. I got told I was 'over the top' and 'ridiculous' because I made my own baby food. And it continues to this day - I don't feed them enough, I feed them too much, I don't punish them enough, I punish them incorrectly, I don't have them in enough out of school programs, they get too many/too few play dates, their birthday parties are too big, their hair is too long/short.. blah blah blah...

The fact is most moms (and certainly all the mothers I have seen on here) do our absolute best to do the right things for our children. What's best for my kid might not be what you feel is best for yours - but that isn't a reason to assume that means I am uneducated, uninformed or just plain stupid!

We do what's best and what works for our families. I am happy to share my experiences and what worked for us. But I would never get insulted or upset if someone couldn't do or chose not to do things the way I did/do.

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Posted 5/30/08 7:34 AM
 

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Re: ok... im stating MY OPINION HERE.... (long sorry)

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Posted by Dragonfly75

Honestly, I don't understand why anyone would feel bad for using formula. That's your parenting choice and as long as you feel good and cofident about it, why would you care what anyone else thinks?




you make good points!!

I just wanted to respond to this one part...some FF moms feel badly when you have a mom who breastfeeds ask you "why didn't you BF??". And you answer "Well b/c truthfully i hated it, it wasn't for us and he's doing great on formula". And the next comment is "well at least I hope he got some colostrum".

That is a conversation that happened between me and a mom when johnny was 2 weeks old. What place did she have to give me a shocked look over my choice and say "hope he got colostrum". I was comfortable in my choice and happy yet she felt the need to make me question it, even for a brief second. Like my child is suffering whereas her child was better off..




I don't know you, or the person you are referring to, but personally I don't think I would've taken it as a criticism.

This person didn't say you were wrong for switching to formula.

You tried it, which IMO is a great thing in itself.

And since you did try, why would it be wrong to hope the child rec'd colostrum in your attempts?

I had Dr.'s in the hospital tell me, even if I was going to formula feed, I should try to give the baby colostrum the first few days.


I have convos with friends all the time. Some say the tried it for a few days but couldnt do it for whatever reason. My response is always "well at least the baby got those first few days, some is better than none, and at least you gave it a try"

I never mean it to criticize, I say as if "you should be proud that you gave your child that"



I wanna add- I gave up BFIng @ 2-3 months old (due to the stress of anti BFing views of those who shouldve been supporting me) DS was FF the other 9 months. I am not anti FF in any way.

Posted 5/30/08 7:44 AM
 

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Re: ok... im stating MY OPINION HERE.... (long sorry)

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Posted by Dragonfly75

Honestly, I don't understand why anyone would feel bad for using formula. That's your parenting choice and as long as you feel good and cofident about it, why would you care what anyone else thinks?




you make good points!!

I just wanted to respond to this one part...some FF moms feel badly when you have a mom who breastfeeds ask you "why didn't you BF??". And you answer "Well b/c truthfully i hated it, it wasn't for us and he's doing great on formula". And the next comment is "well at least I hope he got some colostrum".

That is a conversation that happened between me and a mom when johnny was 2 weeks old. What place did she have to give me a shocked look over my choice and say "hope he got colostrum". I was comfortable in my choice and happy yet she felt the need to make me question it, even for a brief second. Like my child is suffering whereas her child was better off..




I don't know you, or the person you are referring to, but personally I don't think I would've taken it as a criticism.

This person didn't say you were wrong for switching to formula.

You tried it, which IMO is a great thing in itself.

And since you did try, why would it be wrong to hope the child rec'd colostrum in your attempts?

I had Dr.'s in the hospital tell me, even if I was going to formula feed, I should try to give the baby colostrum the first few days.


I have convos with friends all the time. Some say the tried it for a few days but couldnt do it for whatever reason. My response is always "well at least the baby got those first few days, some is better than none, and at least you gave it a try"

I never mean it to criticize, I say as if "you should be proud that you gave your child that"



I wanna add- I gave up BFIng @ 2-3 months old (due to the stress of anti BFing views of those who shouldve been supporting me) DS was FF the other 9 months. I am not anti FF in any way.




I did take it as criticism b/c of the look on her face (utter shock that i didn't BF). And you know what? I don't think anyone should ever comment to someone that they hope a child received colostrum. Why do they care??? I would never ever ask someone if their baby at least got colostrum. It wasn't her business or concern, you know? How many babies are born that don't get one drop of colostrum or breastmilk and are 100% fine. I did think she was very judgmental and wrong...and as a new mom especially it stinks to hear it!

Posted 5/30/08 7:56 AM
 

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