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QuoteTheRaven424
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by melijane
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Posted by MrsPJB2007
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totally cool to ask me that
it's just the way i feel and i don't really have an answer for you to justify it.
honestly--i've heard that before a LOT from people. my dad is the same way---when i question him on it...he's just like "i dunno why - its just something i FEEL...i can't give a reason"
so you are not alone in that!
yep - i'm not gonna sit here and pretend to have a rational answer to back up my feelings  because i don't
it's how i feel, it's my opinion - end of story
You have every righ to have an opinon. However, opinions should(IMO of ocurse) be based on some sort of knowledge about something. By the way, do your parents feel like this? Were you raised with this sort of paradigm? I am always questioning my opinions and why I feel the way I feel and I realize a lot of times it is a societal or parental view that has been so drilled into me that I can't separate the way I feel or if its the way someone else feels. KWIM?
it's how i was raised and how i feel
good for you for analyzing things
i just do what I do and that's it
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QuoteTheRaven424
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
and the deal is, that the only one who's opinion matters, in all things religious, is me
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itkocak
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
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JenniferEver
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by imthekevinofcindyandkevin
Posted by shiv
A president has the power to elect members to congress who could overturn roe vs. wade, similar to what bush did for partial-birth abortions. So, it is a political issue.
When they used to have it, I was part of the pro-life political party.
I think you mean he has the power to appoint Justices of the Supreme Court.
Congress is an elected position.
good catch
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Preguntas
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Hypocracy, in general.
I don't love that I do not feel at one with my religion, because you are so harshly judged for your actions, if they stray off course from the church's agenda.  It's an all or nothing religion.
But I don't think that the church should update it's beliefs to "get with the times". If you don't agree with the religion, find a new one that better suits you. Catholicism is a strict one. I don't think they should have to allow gay marriage or approve of abortion or pre marital sex. If you don't agree with their views, then why are you so devoted to their acceptance?
I also don't think they are ignorant on the times. The priest that married me and DH knew we lived together. He had no objections. There were also divorced people getting married. So there is some leniency in their rules- thankfully so, since their whole deal is about forgiveness...
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
confession, it has always bothered me... I dont think I need a middleman between me and god... if god can hear my prayers, he/she can hear my confession... I think confession was created years ago to control people...
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itkocak
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
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shiv
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by imthekevinofcindyandkevin
Posted by shiv
A president has the power to elect members to congress who could overturn roe vs. wade, similar to what bush did for partial-birth abortions. So, it is a political issue.
When they used to have it, I was part of the pro-life political party.
I think you mean he has the power to appoint Justices of the Supreme Court.
Congress is an elected position.
yep, my mistake
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angnick
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by ko123
I don't agree with the Church not recognizing my upcoming beach wedding!! (lol...just had to through this in there after my earlier post.)
I am SOO With you on this.. we got married on a beach too.
Do you know how many arguments i had with priests about this??
Completely turned me and dh off from the church and mind you, we were both brought up really catholic- churh every sunday, both went to catholic schools..
very sad situation, i think the church needs to lighten up a bit.
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QuoteTheRaven424
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by imthekevinofcindyandkevin
Posted by Preguntas
Hypocracy, in general.
True story. You know the part of the service where the priest says "Turn to the person next to you and wish them peace and love"?
Well the person who wished me peace and love also gave me the finger and called me a p r I c k for accidentally cutting him off while leaveing the church parking lot. Hypocrisy, yeah I know what you mean.
was that you?
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Preguntas
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by imthekevinofcindyandkevin
Posted by Preguntas
Hypocracy, in general.
True story. You know the part of the service where the priest says "Turn to the person next to you and wish them peace and love"?
Well the person who wished me peace and love also gave me the finger and called me a p r I c k for accidentally cutting him off while leaveing the church parking lot. Hypocrisy, yeah I know what you mean.
exactly. Some of the nastiest people i have ever met are devoutly Catholic. Not all of them, of course, nor vice versa- but the one's I have crossed <shudder>.
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Another vote for hypocrisy
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mcl916
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
After spending 13 years in Catholic schools, there is a LOT I disagree with the Church on. I have also thought about changing religions, but I guess it's hard to part with something that was such a large part f your life growing up.
For now, my biggest gripe with the Catholic Church is the IVF/infertiltiy issue. I just can't wrap my head around the idea that it is "wrong" to create life. When we got married we had to promise to procreate and raise our children as Catholic. We can't get pregnant without IVF! I have a strong belief that medical advances are gifts from God and I don't see them as wrong in itself. I understand the problems with extra embryos, but who is to say they won't be used? We definately plan on using our extra embryos if we are so lucky to be able to. They need to find a better stance on this position.
In addition, I disagree with their stance birth control. You can't have it both ways, if you won't allow abortion then provide a way to prevent accidental pregnancies.
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JenniferEver
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by mcl916
In addition, I disagree with their stance birth control. You can't have it both ways, if you won't allow abortion then provide a way to prevent accidental pregnancies.
This is something else I have a porblem with. you can't use birth contorl, you can't have an abortion, you're not supposed to teach kids about birth control, but you'll be ostracized and could lose your job if you work at a catholic school for example if you're prego out of wedlock.
Basically you need to be perfect. I see a real problem there. Especially with the way "catholics" and people in the churhc might treat you if you were unmarried and prego. To me it's scary because that kind of ostracism might lead someone into the choice of abortion. I'm not saying change your stance on pre-marital sex, but understand that people aren't perfect.
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itkocak
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
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JenniferEver
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by imthekevinofcindyandkevin
Just by the responses to this thread it seems to me that maybe those who have such problems with the Catholic Church really should find a different religion because to be a practiceing catholic you have to be in agreement with the church's doctrane. YKWIM? The church is never going to change. It's been this way for a long, long time. If you ask me I'll say I was raised catholic but I'm not a practicing catholic. I believe in a merciful ambivalent God. I try and live my life as a good person. Religion rarely enters into how I conduct myself.
I think you can live in something while still acknowledging that it is flawed..e.g a religion, a marriage, a country, a job
ETA: If everyone needed to find a new religion because they didn't agree with every tenet, we'd have 6 billion different religions on earth.
I guess I should also start a new political party because I disagree with democrats on abortion.
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donegal419
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
I will be the minority in this post and say that there is NOTHING that they Catholic Church teaches that I don't agree with..... Maybe the only one I might change would be having married men or women become priests, but that is only because we are SO short on vocations.
I understand fully their stand on each position. I am not saying that I am a perfect person or that I am holier than thou, or that i have not done some of those things, but I understand why they preach what they preach.
I find that most of the people that have "beef" with the Catholic Church either do not understand the rationale and/or history OR it's just not "convenient" enough for them.... Being a Catholic, or a devout follower of any religion is HARD work. You believe in what is right regardless of whether or not it's convenient or "PC." That is hard to do in today's me,me, me society. So many people are "cafeteria" Catholics... they pick and choose what to follow because it's convenient for them.
Having a child you may not want is not easy, working through a diffiuclt marriage is not easy, trying not to have sex before marriage (and various other things that people disagree with the Church's views) are all things that require a person to take RESPONSIBILITY. We continue to live in a "me, me, me" society... and if "ME" doesn't like it, then "I am against the Church" or whatever. . . .
I recommend the following links for people if they would like more information on the teachings of the Catholic Church:
www.americancatholic.org
http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/
http://www.ewtn.org/
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itkocak
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
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JenniferEver
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
I am a CCD teacher. I TEACH the church's teaching. I don't have a "beef" with the catholic church, but I am also not a sheep. I can't help that my opinions differ They just do, and I won't change my opinion because of what the church says. I know some people will do this and alter their own beliefs to fir the church or belive the church without questioning, but that's just not who I am.
I believe God made me opinionated and he likes me this way!
ETA: Some of the things I disagree with the church about are BECAUSE I know the history.
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QuoteTheRaven424
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by donegal419
I will be the minority in this post and say that there is NOTHING that they Catholic Church teaches that I don't agree with..... Maybe the only one I might change would be having married men or women become priests, but that is only because we are SO short on vocations.
I understand fully their stand on each position. I am not saying that I am a perfect person or that I am holier than thou, or that i have not done some of those things, but I understand why they preach what they preach.
I find that most of the people that have "beef" with the Catholic Church either do not understand the rationale and/or history OR it's just not "convenient" enough for them.... Being a Catholic, or a devout follower of any religion is HARD work. You believe in what is right regardless of whether or not it's convenient or "PC." That is hard to do in today's me,me, me society. So many people are "cafeteria" Catholics... they pick and choose what to follow because it's convenient for them.
Having a child you may not want is not easy, working through a diffiuclt marriage is not easy, trying not to have sex before marriage (and various other things that people disagree with the Church's views) are all things that require a person to take RESPONSIBILITY. We continue to live in a "me, me, me" society... and if "ME" doesn't like it, then "I am against the Church" or whatever. . . .
I recommend the following links for people if they would like more information on the teachings of the Catholic Church:
www.americancatholic.org
http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/
http://www.ewtn.org/
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donegal419
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by mcl916
In addition, I disagree with their stance birth control. You can't have it both ways, if you won't allow abortion then provide a way to prevent accidental pregnancies.
I empathize with your difficulty in getting pregnant. The Church disagrees with IVF for both the unused embryos reason as well as the fact that your baby is not being conceived NATURALLY. you and your husband require SCIENCE to intervene, and so it is not a 100% natural process. the humans take the control and not God.
Also your quote of "then provide a way to prevent accidental pregnancies" is the reason why the Church does not believe in birth control. it's right there in what you said. the Church believes that NO pregnancy is accidental. is it always convenient? or easy? or what the parents wanted? no... but the Church believes that any life that is conceived is not an accident.
Look at the birth of Jesus for exmaple. Mary was pregnant at a time where she coudl have been KILLED for being pregnant out of wedlock. She was 14 years old... hardly knew her soon-to-be-husband. They lived in a time of war and strife.... and she listened to God and bore His Son. In my opinion, what a loving example of how no baby is an accident, no matter how hard it may be.
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QuoteTheRaven424
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by donegal419
Posted by mcl916
In addition, I disagree with their stance birth control. You can't have it both ways, if you won't allow abortion then provide a way to prevent accidental pregnancies.
I empathize with your difficulty in getting pregnant. The Church disagrees with IVF for both the unused embryos reason as well as the fact that your baby is not being conceived NATURALLY. you and your husband require SCIENCE to intervene, and so it is not a 100% natural process. the humans take the control and not God.
well i do disagree with this - we required science, so i guess we went against the church
oh well...
and a BIG pet peeve of mine are people who get PG through artificial means, who believe in God, yet discount God's role in making the miracle happen.
They're like "God didn't get you PG - science did"
I'm sorry - but I firmly believe that God puts everyone here for a reason, even if it's to set a horrible example.
And in that vain, he put the specialists and the RE's on this earth and gave them the talent to take the knowledge on infertility and help people get PG.
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itkocak
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
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JenniferEver
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
Posted by donegal419
Posted by mcl916
In addition, I disagree with their stance birth control. You can't have it both ways, if you won't allow abortion then provide a way to prevent accidental pregnancies.
I empathize with your difficulty in getting pregnant. The Church disagrees with IVF for both the unused embryos reason as well as the fact that your baby is not being conceived NATURALLY. you and your husband require SCIENCE to intervene, and so it is not a 100% natural process. the humans take the control and not God.
well i do disagree with this - we required science, so i guess we went against the church
oh well...
I believe God gave us the science.
I mean the natural extension of this claim is that people shouldn't tkae medicine or undergo chemo because that's unnaturual and it's preventing people from dying and God wanted those people to die NATURALLY.
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QuoteTheRaven424
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
I believe God gave us the science.
exactly
see my point above
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