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Re: Jehovas Witnesses
Posted by MrsRbk
I know....they were knocking on our door last weekend.
Mine too. Dh and I hid.
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Eva Luna
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Re: Jehovas Witnesses
Posted by Meaghan729
im certainly NOT intolerant - in my family we have catholics, jews, and buddhists.
however - i DO feel that they are having a 7 year old to knock on the door because if two adults knock on your door you arent going to answer it.
and todays world is alot different than when the Apostles were around - im sure if they could have a website they would!
Well, your opinion regarding why the child was knocking is just that, an opinion.
Anyone can tell them not to preach at their house and they will not return. It goes back to the Watchtower and your address is removed from their lists.
Also, stating that today's world is different isn't a valid argument when trying to put down preaching. The Bible is the Bible.
And they do have a website. Actually, this one may help those with their assumptions.
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| Posted 10/29/06 4:24 PM |
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Goldi0218
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Re: Jehovas Witnesses
Personally, I love working with people who are knowledgeable about their religion. I work with many Christians and it is amazing the parallels that are shared with Judaism. I am talking about the basic fundamentals - not who the Messiah is. We agree on many things.
I am a special ed teacher in a very restrictive setting. One year, I had a student who was a Jehovah Witness (or at least his mother was). She made me aware of this rather early on in the year as she knew that because he was in a secular school, he may be exposed to things that the religion did not permit. It was my understanding that he was not to participate in any celebrations, parties, or anything of a religious nature. So when we had a school-wide Thanksgiving luncheon, he stayed home. When a classmate had a birthday party, he had to leave knowing that his classmates were going to have a cake and pizza and he could not. He was too disabled to understand the rationales and I felt horrible. He would, on occasion cry and tantrum saying he hated his religion. Sometimes we renamed the celebrations so he could at least have pizza. "Oh its a math lesson on fractions!" What did bother me was when he would come in with literature from home to give to me. I had to ask that it not be sent in as I was not interested.
I have also accommodated for my Jewish students who had dietary restrictions. I too am Jewish but not Orthodox or Kosher. However, I knew exactly how to make these accommodations.
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| Posted 10/29/06 4:36 PM |
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dm24angel
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Re: Jehovas Witnesses
Posted by Meaghan729
but do I knock on your door to tell you about my religion? there are other ways to get your message across.
No...beacuse its not YOUR belief to do so...thats why you dont, no other reason, not cause your nicer or less annoying, because YOU DONT believe in door to door spreading the word...THEY DO.
I find anyone who cannot have some sort of tolerance scary, this is what wars are about, relgious intolerence, and if you think thats harsh, your wrong.
Its the same compassion you would show to ANYONE...FOR ANYTHING.
YES, I dont answer my door to them, but I would never tell them they are WRONG for doing what they believe, as who the heck am I to judge them?
I know Im getting heated and am trying not to, but the intolerence here among some is sickening and sad to me.
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| Posted 10/29/06 4:43 PM |
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neenie
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Re: Jehovas Witnesses
i wonder how Jehovahs witness' feel about everyone ringing Their bells on Halloween? 
we all do what we've been brought up to do. We shouldn't stop trick or treating, or caroling during the holidays (personally,i love seeing that), and they shouldn't give up following their belief. None of us are to say which is right and which isn't... but we can all try to understand that there's probably something that we do that's similar in action, eventhough its for a different 'reason'.
though, i do admit, i pass by a JW congration everyday, and i always feel like knocking on the door just for the heck of it 
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| Posted 10/29/06 4:45 PM |
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alnem
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Re: Jehovas Witnesses
do they annoy me...yes?
do i answer the door...no?
i have the "if i dont like it, i dont have to listen to it" frame of mind, but someone else might love it and it may just be the answer to their prayers.
actually, one time DH and I saw some coming down the block and we turned off all the lights and hid in the kitchen till they went away!
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| Posted 10/29/06 4:54 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Jehovas Witnesses
telemarketers bother me a heck of a lot MORE!
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| Posted 10/29/06 5:03 PM |
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MrsFlatbread
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Re: Jehovas Witnesses
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
telemarketers bother me a heck of a lot MORE!
agreed. People of different faiths is what makes this country unique. If you are not interested, just simply say "No thank you."
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| Posted 10/29/06 5:15 PM |
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CookiePuss
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Re: Jehovas Witnesses
I went to a wedding recently and this is the religion that the bride and groom practice. I was very surprised at the ideals that they preach. The woman is the wife and that being her role, she is to defer to her husband as he is the head of the household. Although she's allowed to have a differing opinion of that of her husband, she must support HIS opinion regardless. The person marrying them, I don't know what the title is, likened it to having 2 steeling wheels to a car if the wife were to have a different opinion. Like I said, I was very taken back at the old fashionish of the religion.
ETA: She seems very happy with her husband and their beliefs and that is what is important. I just didn't realize how old fashioned the ideals were.
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| Posted 10/29/06 5:30 PM |
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LittleBlueBug
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Re: Jehovas Witnesses
Posted by Eva Luna
They preach in accordance to the Bible...which mandates that they preach to everyone...and the world at large in normal places. It's what they do.
I'm sure it annoys people, but just like mormons and evangelicals, it's what they do.
I agree. It's part of their religion. Just as you would expect others to show acceptance of your religion, you should also do the same. I don't personally see anything wrong w/ it. No one is putting a gun to anyone's head and saying you must join. I don't see anything wrong w/ it. God is not just in a church, and there is nothing wrong w/ being religious outside of church either. They are practicing their faith and spreading the word...which is in accordance w/ christianity. There is nothing wrong w/ saying "I am not interested" if you insist on answering the door.
ETA: I have known JW's in my life, and to be honest, they really don't care too much about missing the birthday or pledge thing. These are things we were brought up with, and therefore are the "norm", but not everyone feels the same about those "traditions".
I really haven't heard of the inequality thing either. I will have to ask about that. I have gone to Kingdom Halls w/ a JW I know, because I can not have an opinion n something I know nothing about. Personally, I see little wrong w/ it...just as I have felt when visiting other christian or catholic churches. Just because it's not what I believe in, doesn't make it "weird" or "wrong".
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| Posted 10/29/06 5:44 PM |
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Redhead
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Re: Jehovas Witnesses
Posted by neeniebean86
i wonder how Jehovahs witness' feel about everyone ringing Their bells on Halloween?
we all do what we've been brought up to do. We shouldn't stop trick or treating, or caroling during the holidays (personally,i love seeing that), and they shouldn't give up following their belief. None of us are to say which is right and which isn't... but we can all try to understand that there's probably something that we do that's similar in action, eventhough its for a different 'reason'.
though, i do admit, i pass by a JW congration everyday, and i always feel like knocking on the door just for the heck of it
well said neenie
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| Posted 10/29/06 5:54 PM |
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Redhead
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Re: Jehovas Witnesses
Although the part with the children havig pride and enjoy this...
well most of these children were raised to do this...raised in their parents beliefs to do this..
Doesn't make it right...at least not imo.
I see little kids on tv singing the praises of hitler...i am sure they have pride too..
I can see both sides...
But i guess i am lucky...i never have any come knocking on my door..
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| Posted 10/29/06 5:56 PM |
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sami
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Re: Jehovas Witnesses
They can be very annoying ...but they have not been around for awhile
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| Posted 10/29/06 6:00 PM |
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VirginiaDeb
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Re: Jehovas Witnesses
They see it as 'spreading the word' or whatever. I see it as preaching. I don't like being preached at. Besides halloween, i hate it when people come to my door for anything, be it selling cookies, or their religion. And all of the new testaments I've been given over the years are such a waste, as they are now in landfills (I was given several as a cashier).
For me, when they come to the doors is does nothing but push me further away from any sort of religion... When and if I am ever ready to have a faith of any sort, I will seek it out. Luckily, the 3 missionaries that live in my complex have not come by since the day I shut the door in their face.
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| Posted 10/29/06 6:02 PM |
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Re: Jehovas Witnesses
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
telemarketers bother me a heck of a lot MORE!
Me too! They appear A LOT more often.
Honestly, if ANYONE I don't know rings my doorbell, I won't answer, especially if I am home alone. For me it's personal paranoia more than anything.
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| Posted 10/29/06 6:05 PM |
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VirginiaDeb
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Re: Jehovas Witnesses
Posted by MrsProfessor
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
telemarketers bother me a heck of a lot MORE!
Me too! They appear A LOT more often.
Honestly, if ANYONE I don't know rings my doorbell, I won't answer, especially if I am home alone. For me it's personal paranoia more than anything.
That's why we're on the Do Not Call List.
Is there one of those I can send to the Jehova's?
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| Posted 10/29/06 6:07 PM |
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Eva Luna
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Re: Jehovas Witnesses
Posted by Redhead
Although the part with the children havig pride and enjoy this...
well most of these children were raised to do this...raised in their parents beliefs to do this..
Doesn't make it right...at least not imo.
I see little kids on tv singing the praises of hitler...i am sure they have pride too..
Please don't tell me you're comparing a RELIGION based on Christianity with being a Nazi.
Based on that, are Sunday school and cathechism the same idea? Would you liken that to praising Hitler? 
I'm NOT a Jehova's Witness, but even I found your comment extremely outrageous. I'm surprised no one else has said anything.
Pride for God and Jesus IS NOT THE SAME AS PRIDE FOR A COMMON MAN WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MURDER OF MILLIONS AND WHO TEACHES HATE AND INTOLERANCE!
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| Posted 10/29/06 7:18 PM |
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Bri
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Re: Jehovas Witnesses
Posted by Shorty
IMO, its their religion, its what they do. You don't have to answer the door. I don't open the door for any strangers. (7 yr old or not)
Extremely true . . .
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| Posted 10/29/06 7:18 PM |
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Redhead
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Re: Jehovas Witnesses
Posted by Eva Luna
Posted by Redhead
Although the part with the children havig pride and enjoy this...
well most of these children were raised to do this...raised in their parents beliefs to do this..
Doesn't make it right...at least not imo.
I see little kids on tv singing the praises of hitler...i am sure they have pride too..
Please don't tell me you're comparing a RELIGION based on Christianity with being a Nazi.
Based on that, are Sunday school and cathechism the same idea? Would you liken that to praising Hitler?
I'm NOT a Jehova's Witness, but even I found your comment extremely outrageous. I'm surprised no one else has said anything.
Pride for God and Jesus IS NOT THE SAME AS PRIDE FOR A COMMON MAN WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MURDER OF MILLIONS AND WHO TEACHES HATE AND INTOLERANCE!
take it down a notch...
NO i am not comparing the two..
what i am comparing is what children do...
Children do what their parents teach them...
And they can and do have pride..
And in that i do compare childrens behavior..
they do WHAT THEY ARE TAUGHT TO DO...
period
in all cases would they rather be playing on a playground....ABSOLUTELY
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| Posted 10/29/06 7:21 PM |
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Eva Luna
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Re: Jehovas Witnesses
Posted by Redhead
Posted by Eva Luna
Posted by Redhead
Although the part with the children havig pride and enjoy this...
well most of these children were raised to do this...raised in their parents beliefs to do this..
Doesn't make it right...at least not imo.
I see little kids on tv singing the praises of hitler...i am sure they have pride too..
Please don't tell me you're comparing a RELIGION based on Christianity with being a Nazi.
Based on that, are Sunday school and cathechism the same idea? Would you liken that to praising Hitler?
I'm NOT a Jehova's Witness, but even I found your comment extremely outrageous. I'm surprised no one else has said anything.
Pride for God and Jesus IS NOT THE SAME AS PRIDE FOR A COMMON MAN WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MURDER OF MILLIONS AND WHO TEACHES HATE AND INTOLERANCE!
take it down a notch...
NO i am not comparing the two..
what i am comparing is what children do...
Children do what their parents teach them...
And they can and do have pride..
And in that i do compare childrens behavior..
they do WHAT THEY ARE TAUGHT TO DO...
period
in all cases would they rather be playing on a playground....ABSOLUTELY
Please don't generalize.
Who's to say that they don't play in playgrounds?
And they are taught about Jehova (God) and I'll say it again, believe it or not, they actually enjoy telling others about it.
What a concept.
And just as an FYI...this:
Doesn't make it right...at least not imo.
I see little kids on tv singing the praises of hitler...i am sure they have pride too..
IS a comparison.
You can't really speak about a religion as a whole or children as a whole...that's called a generalization...and we all know that's basically the same as assuming.
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| Posted 10/29/06 7:24 PM |
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Redhead
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Re: Jehovas Witnesses
I can...and i will
It is MY OPINION 
You don't like it....OH WELL 
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| Posted 10/29/06 7:26 PM |
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Eva Luna
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Re: Jehovas Witnesses
Posted by Redhead
I can...and i will
It is MY OPINION
You don't like it....OH WELL
A generalization is more than an opinion when you state it as fact.
Especially with kids...and families.
And I don't have to like it, you're right...and thankfully, I don't...it's just sad that people actually think like this.
You can only "teach" so much.
There will always be issues with religion & intolerance.
Judgement of the unknown.
And IMO - that's what causes the wars of the world.
Sad, really.
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| Posted 10/29/06 7:28 PM |
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Redhead
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Re: Jehovas Witnesses
Sasha...
Children do what they are taught to do..MOST ADULTS FOLLOW the principals of which they were raised...
NOT exactly a shocker there ...
DO some deviate from their childhood...SURE.
USUALLY in the teens to late teens to early adults..
NOT as children.
So if a child is taught that peaching God and going door to door is fun for a sunday afternoon..THEY THINK THAT IS FUN
If they are taught to go to sunday mass....they do that and think it is normal
IF THEY ARE TAUGHT DISGUSTING HATEFUL THINGS .....THAT IS WHAT THEY THINK..
IT isn't until they are older and are exposed to other things in life do their know ANYTHING BETTER OR DIFFERENT
NOT A HARD CONCEPT TO GRASP...
this is how religion, hate, love, good and bad perpetuates...
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| Posted 10/29/06 7:33 PM |
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Re: Jehovas Witnesses
Posted by Eva Luna
Posted by Redhead
Although the part with the children havig pride and enjoy this...
well most of these children were raised to do this...raised in their parents beliefs to do this..
Doesn't make it right...at least not imo.
I see little kids on tv singing the praises of hitler...i am sure they have pride too..
Please don't tell me you're comparing a RELIGION based on Christianity with being a Nazi.
Based on that, are Sunday school and cathechism the same idea? Would you liken that to praising Hitler?
I'm NOT a Jehova's Witness, but even I found your comment extremely outrageous. I'm surprised no one else has said anything.
Pride for God and Jesus IS NOT THE SAME AS PRIDE FOR A COMMON MAN WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MURDER OF MILLIONS AND WHO TEACHES HATE AND INTOLERANCE!
I don't believe the poster was comparing the religion with Hitler rallies - rather, she was arguing that point that the children who are described as "enjoying and taking pride" in preaching may not actually be exercising free will - they are doing what they have been raised to do.
I recently showed portions of Triumph of the Will in my Literature and War class and the scenes of young children praising Hitler are very disturbing. I'm sure a lot of children in the film were too young to fully understand what they were supporting.
Are some of the children who are preaching as Jehova's Witnesses taking pride and enjoying themselves? sure. Are some of them doing it because they are being told to do it? sure. I went to sunday school because I had to - not because I wanted to. But were there children there who loved sunday school? yes.
I think the poster was taking issue with the suggestion that all children who are preaching testimony of Jehovah's witnesses are acting of their own accord.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
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| Posted 10/29/06 7:43 PM |
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Eva Luna
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Re: Jehovas Witnesses
Jenn - I agree with some of what you last wrote...but this is very different from what you had previously written.
Also, just for clarification, the children I know that preach don't do it because they're taught it's "fun"...they actually love Jesus and enjoy spreading His Good News. It's not an easy concept for everyone to grasp, but it's true.
In the Jehova's Witness religion children are not separated from adults during service...they all learn together. And it's entirely Bible based.
Sure some deviate...but that's the truth for all religions.
But this wasn't started about being taught right things from wrong things...or hateful things from non-hateful things. This was a vent about the inconvenience of JW's and people's frustrations about their preaching.
I was simply trying to shed some light on it. Explain that it's their religion, their beliefs...they're not selling anything or collecting money. You can say "no thanks" and "please remove me from your list as I would prefer not to have visits" and that will be done.
And the reason why children go preaching is well, because much like during service, children are exposed to the same things as adults.
And unlike other religions where you're baptized as infants or without knowledge...JW's do not baptize children. You actually have to be old enough to know what you're doing. It's not forced whatsoever.
And I think I'm done with my theology lesson for the night...dinner's calling. 
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