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Hofstra26
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by LittleDiva
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Posted by windyweather21
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Posted by RomeyT
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Let's be honest. If they issued government ID's for voting then some people would then b!tch that it's not good enough and they would rail on about ballots not being secure. And then if they did away with ballots some would b!tch about the voting booths, or the day, or the time or how they count the votes and on and on. Why? Because some people like to complain about literally everything, especially when their candidate loses, regardless if it's rooted in any fact whatsoever.
Furthermore, this wouldn't be a conversation if it weren't for the tantrum throwing, sore loser, previous president who brainwashed SO many into actually believing that our election system is riddled with rampant fraud and the election was stolen from him.
The election rhetoric is getting so old. Until someone, ANYONE, can furnish clear cut, indisputable evidence that there is so much rampant fraud in our election system that elections are being decided a completely different way because of it then there is really nothing to talk about. It's pointless drama.
Nope. I bitched about the absurdity of it when I lived in another state 10 years ago. It’s been on my radar for a while.
Our government has no problem spending trillions of dollars on absolute horse shit. I’m sure if it was made any kind of priority the money could miraculously be found. And why should we wait for rampant fraud to occur in an election before we mandate IDs?
It hasn't been on the radar of the vast majority of this country. MOST people go vote and then don't think about the election beyond that.
There has NEVER been rampant fraud in this country and some stupid little government ID won't protect against that even if some were hell bent on screwing the system. If someone REALLY wanted to mess with our election they would find a way and what career criminal couldn't make a fake ID if needed?
I think people are putting WAY too much stock in what an ID would do in terms of security. It's silly.
I think with this last election it has become something more on people’s radar. More people are getting involved in politics and paying more attention.
It could actually do much more for security as people on this board alone have commented how they could easily commit fraud when voting.
I’ve had this on my radar since I turned 18 and showed up with my ID to vote and they told me to just sign and I was terrified that my signature wouldn’t match and I’d be embarrassed in front of everyone in line.....end result....they didn’t even look at my shaky signature!
It’s harder to make multiple fake id’s compared to randomly signing for people or requesting ballots for people.
I mean, we’re all about correcting things that have been done certain ways since the beginning of time these days but we can’t correct this? We can’t be bothered by this because you don’t agree? We have different opinions and I think ID should be required. I’m not going to argue back and forth.
So let me get this straight. You are all for change when it's what YOU want, such as voter ID. But when the change involves measures to make voting easier for everyone, such as mail in ballots, then you're outraged and want things to stay the same. Ok cool, got it.
I never said I’m against mail in ballots???
I’m for it being done WHEN NEEDED. There is no reason a perfectly fine human being can’t walk themselves to a polling place. There are people who fit the criteria and that’s fine. But able bodied people shouldn’t be mailing on ballots. Personally, I wouldn’t trust my vote actually getting where it needs to get in time.
I am bothered, not outraged, by randomly mailing absentee ballots when the individual doesn’t request them. That makes zero sense. ETA that this also creates issues with more local elections that are too close to call. If you have everyone being mailed ballots and members in the household or family members completing them for people who have no intention of voting this adds up! Get out and vote!
It's the 21st century and with all of the technology we have available to us expecting people to only vote in person is simply archaic and outdated. There is no reason to continue the voting process as we did 40 years ago. Time to change with the times.
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LittleDiva
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by Hofstra26
Let's be honest. If they issued government ID's for voting then some people would then b!tch that it's not good enough and they would rail on about ballots not being secure. And then if they did away with ballots some would b!tch about the voting booths, or the day, or the time or how they count the votes and on and on. Why? Because some people like to complain about literally everything, especially when their candidate loses, regardless if it's rooted in any fact whatsoever.
Furthermore, this wouldn't be a conversation if it weren't for the tantrum throwing, sore loser, previous president who brainwashed SO many into actually believing that our election system is riddled with rampant fraud and the election was stolen from him.
The election rhetoric is getting so old. Until someone, ANYONE, can furnish clear cut, indisputable evidence that there is so much rampant fraud in our election system that elections are being decided a completely different way because of it then there is really nothing to talk about. It's pointless drama.
Nope. I bitched about the absurdity of it when I lived in another state 10 years ago. It’s been on my radar for a while.
Our government has no problem spending trillions of dollars on absolute horse shit. I’m sure if it was made any kind of priority the money could miraculously be found. And why should we wait for rampant fraud to occur in an election before we mandate IDs?
It hasn't been on the radar of the vast majority of this country. MOST people go vote and then don't think about the election beyond that.
There has NEVER been rampant fraud in this country and some stupid little government ID won't protect against that even if some were hell bent on screwing the system. If someone REALLY wanted to mess with our election they would find a way and what career criminal couldn't make a fake ID if needed?
I think people are putting WAY too much stock in what an ID would do in terms of security. It's silly.
I think with this last election it has become something more on people’s radar. More people are getting involved in politics and paying more attention.
It could actually do much more for security as people on this board alone have commented how they could easily commit fraud when voting.
I’ve had this on my radar since I turned 18 and showed up with my ID to vote and they told me to just sign and I was terrified that my signature wouldn’t match and I’d be embarrassed in front of everyone in line.....end result....they didn’t even look at my shaky signature!
It’s harder to make multiple fake id’s compared to randomly signing for people or requesting ballots for people.
I mean, we’re all about correcting things that have been done certain ways since the beginning of time these days but we can’t correct this? We can’t be bothered by this because you don’t agree? We have different opinions and I think ID should be required. I’m not going to argue back and forth.
So let me get this straight. You are all for change when it's what YOU want, such as voter ID. But when the change involves measures to make voting easier for everyone, such as mail in ballots, then you're outraged and want things to stay the same. Ok cool, got it.
I never said I’m against mail in ballots???
I’m for it being done WHEN NEEDED. There is no reason a perfectly fine human being can’t walk themselves to a polling place. There are people who fit the criteria and that’s fine. But able bodied people shouldn’t be mailing on ballots. Personally, I wouldn’t trust my vote actually getting where it needs to get in time.
I am bothered, not outraged, by randomly mailing absentee ballots when the individual doesn’t request them. That makes zero sense. ETA that this also creates issues with more local elections that are too close to call. If you have everyone being mailed ballots and members in the household or family members completing them for people who have no intention of voting this adds up! Get out and vote!
It's the 21st century and with all of the technology we have available to us expecting people to only vote in person is simply archaic and outdated. There is no reason to continue the voting process as we did 40 years ago. Time to change with the times.
That’s your opinion, I have to disagree.
Changing with the times to me, means showing ID because technology has changed and we need to prevent fraud. And changing with times, every single citizen should have a photo ID. Figure it out America, for the millionth time INVEST IN OUR COUNTRY and issue photo ID.
I would think it’s opposite of racist....wouldn’t they now be able to do so many things that they apparently can’t do since they don’t have photo ID? Or is it that they most legal citizens already have a photo ID and this is just an excuse?
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Hofstra26
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by Hofstra26
Let's be honest. If they issued government ID's for voting then some people would then b!tch that it's not good enough and they would rail on about ballots not being secure. And then if they did away with ballots some would b!tch about the voting booths, or the day, or the time or how they count the votes and on and on. Why? Because some people like to complain about literally everything, especially when their candidate loses, regardless if it's rooted in any fact whatsoever.
Furthermore, this wouldn't be a conversation if it weren't for the tantrum throwing, sore loser, previous president who brainwashed SO many into actually believing that our election system is riddled with rampant fraud and the election was stolen from him.
The election rhetoric is getting so old. Until someone, ANYONE, can furnish clear cut, indisputable evidence that there is so much rampant fraud in our election system that elections are being decided a completely different way because of it then there is really nothing to talk about. It's pointless drama.
Nope. I bitched about the absurdity of it when I lived in another state 10 years ago. It’s been on my radar for a while.
Our government has no problem spending trillions of dollars on absolute horse shit. I’m sure if it was made any kind of priority the money could miraculously be found. And why should we wait for rampant fraud to occur in an election before we mandate IDs?
It hasn't been on the radar of the vast majority of this country. MOST people go vote and then don't think about the election beyond that.
There has NEVER been rampant fraud in this country and some stupid little government ID won't protect against that even if some were hell bent on screwing the system. If someone REALLY wanted to mess with our election they would find a way and what career criminal couldn't make a fake ID if needed?
I think people are putting WAY too much stock in what an ID would do in terms of security. It's silly.
I think with this last election it has become something more on people’s radar. More people are getting involved in politics and paying more attention.
It could actually do much more for security as people on this board alone have commented how they could easily commit fraud when voting.
I’ve had this on my radar since I turned 18 and showed up with my ID to vote and they told me to just sign and I was terrified that my signature wouldn’t match and I’d be embarrassed in front of everyone in line.....end result....they didn’t even look at my shaky signature!
It’s harder to make multiple fake id’s compared to randomly signing for people or requesting ballots for people.
I mean, we’re all about correcting things that have been done certain ways since the beginning of time these days but we can’t correct this? We can’t be bothered by this because you don’t agree? We have different opinions and I think ID should be required. I’m not going to argue back and forth.
So let me get this straight. You are all for change when it's what YOU want, such as voter ID. But when the change involves measures to make voting easier for everyone, such as mail in ballots, then you're outraged and want things to stay the same. Ok cool, got it.
I never said I’m against mail in ballots???
I’m for it being done WHEN NEEDED. There is no reason a perfectly fine human being can’t walk themselves to a polling place. There are people who fit the criteria and that’s fine. But able bodied people shouldn’t be mailing on ballots. Personally, I wouldn’t trust my vote actually getting where it needs to get in time.
I am bothered, not outraged, by randomly mailing absentee ballots when the individual doesn’t request them. That makes zero sense. ETA that this also creates issues with more local elections that are too close to call. If you have everyone being mailed ballots and members in the household or family members completing them for people who have no intention of voting this adds up! Get out and vote!
It's the 21st century and with all of the technology we have available to us expecting people to only vote in person is simply archaic and outdated. There is no reason to continue the voting process as we did 40 years ago. Time to change with the times.
That’s your opinion, I have to disagree.
Changing with the times to me, means showing ID because technology has changed and we need to prevent fraud. And changing with times, every single citizen should have a photo ID. Figure it out America, for the millionth time INVEST IN OUR COUNTRY and issue photo ID.
I would think it’s opposite of racist....wouldn’t they now be able to do so many things that they apparently can’t do since they don’t have photo ID? Or is it that they most legal citizens already have a photo ID and this is just an excuse?
First, there is NO rampant fraud and has never been. Not in this past election. Not in any other election. That is just a fact. Are there minor irregularities or some degree of human error? Of course. But none of that has ever been shown to alter the outcome of an election especially to the degree to which Trump spent months trying to convince everyone of.
But that aside.
The point I am making is we need to change with the times. Who cares about a silly government issued ID card that likely half the population won't be able to keep track of since we vote so infrequently. We should be working towards updating our election process to include voting online, voting via text, etc. This whole concept of expecting anyone to show up in person with a paper ID card to vote is literally the most archaic thing in the world.
The entire country lives their lives online. We file taxes, pay bills, manage our money, apply for loans, handle medical bills, handle investments, apply for government benefits, benefits, sell houses, open accounts and on and on and on. How idiotic that we don't have the ability to vote online as well. In the 21st century with a generation of kids and adults who do next to nothing in-person it makes no sense to continue to push this outdated way of voting.
We use to have those voting booths when I was a kid and as those became outdated we moved to counting votes via other methods. For example, in my voting district on LI you bubbled in a paper ballot and it was scanned into a machine to be counted. Now it's time to move away from having to be in-person at all to opening up voting online. We should CONSTANTLY be in a state of improving the system and making it EASIER for everyone to have their voices heard.
To that end, we should also be doing away with the need to even register to vote in the first place. EVERY American citizen should automatically be able to vote upon turning 18. We shouldn't have to file paperwork to do so, streamline it. Make it automatic.
A flimsy little ID card that everyone is expected to carry around and keep with them so they can vote every 2-4 years is such an outdated, archaic concept that it will cause more problems than it solves. It's really not forward thinking at all IMO. We need to find ways to take advantage of all the technology that we have available to us in order to make voting more accessible to the masses. Standing on a long line at a polling booth (with a little ID card) is so 1980. Time to change.
Message edited 4/5/2021 12:41:24 PM.
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GoldenRod
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Re: Georgia voting law
https://www.npr.org/2020/10/17/924527679/why-do-nonwhite-georgia-voters-have-to-wait-in-line-for-hours-too-few-polling-pl
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Hundreds of people were waiting in the heat and rain outside the lush, tree-lined complex in Union City, an Atlanta suburb with 22,400 residents, nearly 88% of them Black. She briefly considered not casting a ballot at all, but decided to stay.
By the time she got inside more than five hours later, the polls had officially closed and the electronic scanners were shut down. Poll workers told her she'd have to cast a provisional ballot, but they promised that her vote would be counted.
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5 hours in the rain! How is that a modern system of voting? And that is far from the only place I read about with multiple hours of waiting in line to vote.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54532189
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You may think waiting 11 hours to vote would be the height of frustration, but not for one family in Georgia.
"We made it, y'all," says Johnta Austin in one viral video filmed as they reach the front of the queue, describing the lengthy process as an "honour".
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Respondents in Norway, Germany and other European countries said there were numerous places to drop off ballots ahead of time and that unlike in the US, most polling locations were a short walk from home.
From Germany to Israel, people also reminded Americans that unlike in the US, voting occurs on holidays and weekends.
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11 hours! To cast a vote!
Message edited 4/5/2021 12:55:22 PM.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by Hofstra26
Let's be honest. If they issued government ID's for voting then some people would then b!tch that it's not good enough and they would rail on about ballots not being secure. And then if they did away with ballots some would b!tch about the voting booths, or the day, or the time or how they count the votes and on and on. Why? Because some people like to complain about literally everything, especially when their candidate loses, regardless if it's rooted in any fact whatsoever.
Furthermore, this wouldn't be a conversation if it weren't for the tantrum throwing, sore loser, previous president who brainwashed SO many into actually believing that our election system is riddled with rampant fraud and the election was stolen from him.
The election rhetoric is getting so old. Until someone, ANYONE, can furnish clear cut, indisputable evidence that there is so much rampant fraud in our election system that elections are being decided a completely different way because of it then there is really nothing to talk about. It's pointless drama.
Nope. I bitched about the absurdity of it when I lived in another state 10 years ago. It’s been on my radar for a while.
Our government has no problem spending trillions of dollars on absolute horse shit. I’m sure if it was made any kind of priority the money could miraculously be found. And why should we wait for rampant fraud to occur in an election before we mandate IDs?
It hasn't been on the radar of the vast majority of this country. MOST people go vote and then don't think about the election beyond that.
There has NEVER been rampant fraud in this country and some stupid little government ID won't protect against that even if some were hell bent on screwing the system. If someone REALLY wanted to mess with our election they would find a way and what career criminal couldn't make a fake ID if needed?
I think people are putting WAY too much stock in what an ID would do in terms of security. It's silly.
I think with this last election it has become something more on people’s radar. More people are getting involved in politics and paying more attention.
It could actually do much more for security as people on this board alone have commented how they could easily commit fraud when voting.
I’ve had this on my radar since I turned 18 and showed up with my ID to vote and they told me to just sign and I was terrified that my signature wouldn’t match and I’d be embarrassed in front of everyone in line.....end result....they didn’t even look at my shaky signature!
It’s harder to make multiple fake id’s compared to randomly signing for people or requesting ballots for people.
I mean, we’re all about correcting things that have been done certain ways since the beginning of time these days but we can’t correct this? We can’t be bothered by this because you don’t agree? We have different opinions and I think ID should be required. I’m not going to argue back and forth.
So let me get this straight. You are all for change when it's what YOU want, such as voter ID. But when the change involves measures to make voting easier for everyone, such as mail in ballots, then you're outraged and want things to stay the same. Ok cool, got it.
I never said I’m against mail in ballots???
I’m for it being done WHEN NEEDED. There is no reason a perfectly fine human being can’t walk themselves to a polling place. There are people who fit the criteria and that’s fine. But able bodied people shouldn’t be mailing on ballots. Personally, I wouldn’t trust my vote actually getting where it needs to get in time.
I am bothered, not outraged, by randomly mailing absentee ballots when the individual doesn’t request them. That makes zero sense. ETA that this also creates issues with more local elections that are too close to call. If you have everyone being mailed ballots and members in the household or family members completing them for people who have no intention of voting this adds up! Get out and vote!
It's the 21st century and with all of the technology we have available to us expecting people to only vote in person is simply archaic and outdated. There is no reason to continue the voting process as we did 40 years ago. Time to change with the times.
That’s your opinion, I have to disagree.
Changing with the times to me, means showing ID because technology has changed and we need to prevent fraud. And changing with times, every single citizen should have a photo ID. Figure it out America, for the millionth time INVEST IN OUR COUNTRY and issue photo ID.
I would think it’s opposite of racist....wouldn’t they now be able to do so many things that they apparently can’t do since they don’t have photo ID? Or is it that they most legal citizens already have a photo ID and this is just an excuse?
First, there is NO rampant fraud and has never been. Not in this past election. Not in any other election. That is just a fact. Are there minor irregularities or some degree of human error? Of course. But none of that has ever been shown to alter the outcome of an election especially to the degree to which Trump spent months trying to convince everyone of.
But that aside.
The point I am making is we need to change with the times. Who cares about a silly government issued ID card that likely half the population won't be able to keep track of since we vote so infrequently. We should be working towards updating our election process to include voting online, voting via text, etc. This whole concept of expecting anyone to show up in person with a paper ID card to vote is literally the most archaic thing in the world.
The entire country lives their lives online. We file taxes, pay bills, manage our money, apply for loans, handle medical bills, handle investments, apply for government benefits, benefits, sell houses, open accounts and on and on and on. How idiotic that we don't have the ability to vote online as well. In the 21st century with a generation of kids and adults who do next to nothing in-person it makes no sense to continue to push this outdated way of voting.
We use to have those voting booths when I was a kid and as those became outdated we moved to counting votes via other methods. For example, in my voting district on LI you bubbled in a paper ballot and it was scanned into a machine to be counted. Now it's time to move away from having to be in-person at all to opening up voting online. We should CONSTANTLY be in a state of improving the system and making it EASIER for everyone to have their voices heard.
To that end, we should also be doing away with the need to even register to vote in the first place. EVERY American citizen should automatically be able to vote upon turning 18. We shouldn't have to file paperwork to do so, streamline it. Make it automatic.
A flimsy little ID card that everyone is expected to carry around and keep with them so they can vote every 2-4 years is such an outdated, archaic concept that it will cause more problems than it solves. It's really not forward thinking at all IMO. We need to find ways to take advantage of all the technology that we have available to us in order to make voting more accessible to the masses. Standing on a long line at a polling booth (with a little ID card) is so 1980. Time to change.
I would assume an ID card would be for anything, not just voting like people have them now. I worked with a woman who didn’t have a drivers license and she had ID as she needed it for many things in life. I don’t understand how people can go through life without ID. I think some are making a big assumption that many don’t have ID when the number is probably much lower. What do adults do now who don’t have licenses?
You also do realize that not everyone has access to going online or don’t like it know how to. I just had this discussion with my mom about a friend of hers who doesn’t do any online banking and she waits until her statement comes in the mail and then goes to the bank to talk to them what her charges are. You have to live a very sheltered life if you think because of the things you have and know that everyone else should.
For the majority of people, there is no issue voting in person. Some I can see need absentee ballots but it sounds like you would rather go to online voting eventually because you would like that and not realize that many would not or can not.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by GoldenRod
https://www.npr.org/2020/10/17/924527679/why-do-nonwhite-georgia-voters-have-to-wait-in-line-for-hours-too-few-polling-pl
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Hundreds of people were waiting in the heat and rain outside the lush, tree-lined complex in Union City, an Atlanta suburb with 22,400 residents, nearly 88% of them Black. She briefly considered not casting a ballot at all, but decided to stay.
By the time she got inside more than five hours later, the polls had officially closed and the electronic scanners were shut down. Poll workers told her she'd have to cast a provisional ballot, but they promised that her vote would be counted.
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5 hours in the rain! How is that a modern system of voting? And that is far from the only place I read about with multiple hours of waiting in line to vote.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54532189
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You may think waiting 11 hours to vote would be the height of frustration, but not for one family in Georgia.
"We made it, y'all," says Johnta Austin in one viral video filmed as they reach the front of the queue, describing the lengthy process as an "honour".
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Respondents in Norway, Germany and other European countries said there were numerous places to drop off ballots ahead of time and that unlike in the US, most polling locations were a short walk from home.
From Germany to Israel, people also reminded Americans that unlike in the US, voting occurs on holidays and weekends.
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11 hours! To cast a vote!
How about opening more polling places as that would solve the problem?
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Hofstra26
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by Hofstra26
Let's be honest. If they issued government ID's for voting then some people would then b!tch that it's not good enough and they would rail on about ballots not being secure. And then if they did away with ballots some would b!tch about the voting booths, or the day, or the time or how they count the votes and on and on. Why? Because some people like to complain about literally everything, especially when their candidate loses, regardless if it's rooted in any fact whatsoever.
Furthermore, this wouldn't be a conversation if it weren't for the tantrum throwing, sore loser, previous president who brainwashed SO many into actually believing that our election system is riddled with rampant fraud and the election was stolen from him.
The election rhetoric is getting so old. Until someone, ANYONE, can furnish clear cut, indisputable evidence that there is so much rampant fraud in our election system that elections are being decided a completely different way because of it then there is really nothing to talk about. It's pointless drama.
Nope. I bitched about the absurdity of it when I lived in another state 10 years ago. It’s been on my radar for a while.
Our government has no problem spending trillions of dollars on absolute horse shit. I’m sure if it was made any kind of priority the money could miraculously be found. And why should we wait for rampant fraud to occur in an election before we mandate IDs?
It hasn't been on the radar of the vast majority of this country. MOST people go vote and then don't think about the election beyond that.
There has NEVER been rampant fraud in this country and some stupid little government ID won't protect against that even if some were hell bent on screwing the system. If someone REALLY wanted to mess with our election they would find a way and what career criminal couldn't make a fake ID if needed?
I think people are putting WAY too much stock in what an ID would do in terms of security. It's silly.
I think with this last election it has become something more on people’s radar. More people are getting involved in politics and paying more attention.
It could actually do much more for security as people on this board alone have commented how they could easily commit fraud when voting.
I’ve had this on my radar since I turned 18 and showed up with my ID to vote and they told me to just sign and I was terrified that my signature wouldn’t match and I’d be embarrassed in front of everyone in line.....end result....they didn’t even look at my shaky signature!
It’s harder to make multiple fake id’s compared to randomly signing for people or requesting ballots for people.
I mean, we’re all about correcting things that have been done certain ways since the beginning of time these days but we can’t correct this? We can’t be bothered by this because you don’t agree? We have different opinions and I think ID should be required. I’m not going to argue back and forth.
So let me get this straight. You are all for change when it's what YOU want, such as voter ID. But when the change involves measures to make voting easier for everyone, such as mail in ballots, then you're outraged and want things to stay the same. Ok cool, got it.
I never said I’m against mail in ballots???
I’m for it being done WHEN NEEDED. There is no reason a perfectly fine human being can’t walk themselves to a polling place. There are people who fit the criteria and that’s fine. But able bodied people shouldn’t be mailing on ballots. Personally, I wouldn’t trust my vote actually getting where it needs to get in time.
I am bothered, not outraged, by randomly mailing absentee ballots when the individual doesn’t request them. That makes zero sense. ETA that this also creates issues with more local elections that are too close to call. If you have everyone being mailed ballots and members in the household or family members completing them for people who have no intention of voting this adds up! Get out and vote!
It's the 21st century and with all of the technology we have available to us expecting people to only vote in person is simply archaic and outdated. There is no reason to continue the voting process as we did 40 years ago. Time to change with the times.
That’s your opinion, I have to disagree.
Changing with the times to me, means showing ID because technology has changed and we need to prevent fraud. And changing with times, every single citizen should have a photo ID. Figure it out America, for the millionth time INVEST IN OUR COUNTRY and issue photo ID.
I would think it’s opposite of racist....wouldn’t they now be able to do so many things that they apparently can’t do since they don’t have photo ID? Or is it that they most legal citizens already have a photo ID and this is just an excuse?
First, there is NO rampant fraud and has never been. Not in this past election. Not in any other election. That is just a fact. Are there minor irregularities or some degree of human error? Of course. But none of that has ever been shown to alter the outcome of an election especially to the degree to which Trump spent months trying to convince everyone of.
But that aside.
The point I am making is we need to change with the times. Who cares about a silly government issued ID card that likely half the population won't be able to keep track of since we vote so infrequently. We should be working towards updating our election process to include voting online, voting via text, etc. This whole concept of expecting anyone to show up in person with a paper ID card to vote is literally the most archaic thing in the world.
The entire country lives their lives online. We file taxes, pay bills, manage our money, apply for loans, handle medical bills, handle investments, apply for government benefits, benefits, sell houses, open accounts and on and on and on. How idiotic that we don't have the ability to vote online as well. In the 21st century with a generation of kids and adults who do next to nothing in-person it makes no sense to continue to push this outdated way of voting.
We use to have those voting booths when I was a kid and as those became outdated we moved to counting votes via other methods. For example, in my voting district on LI you bubbled in a paper ballot and it was scanned into a machine to be counted. Now it's time to move away from having to be in-person at all to opening up voting online. We should CONSTANTLY be in a state of improving the system and making it EASIER for everyone to have their voices heard.
To that end, we should also be doing away with the need to even register to vote in the first place. EVERY American citizen should automatically be able to vote upon turning 18. We shouldn't have to file paperwork to do so, streamline it. Make it automatic.
A flimsy little ID card that everyone is expected to carry around and keep with them so they can vote every 2-4 years is such an outdated, archaic concept that it will cause more problems than it solves. It's really not forward thinking at all IMO. We need to find ways to take advantage of all the technology that we have available to us in order to make voting more accessible to the masses. Standing on a long line at a polling booth (with a little ID card) is so 1980. Time to change.
I would assume an ID card would be for anything, not just voting like people have them now. I worked with a woman who didn’t have a drivers license and she had ID as she needed it for many things in life. I don’t understand how people can go through life without ID. I think some are making a big assumption that many don’t have ID when the number is probably much lower. What do adults do now who don’t have licenses?
You also do realize that not everyone has access to going online or don’t like it know how to. I just had this discussion with my mom about a friend of hers who doesn’t do any online banking and she waits until her statement comes in the mail and then goes to the bank to talk to them what her charges are. You have to live a very sheltered life if you think because of the things you have and know that everyone else should.
For the majority of people, there is no issue voting in person. Some I can see need absentee ballots but it sounds like you would rather go to online voting eventually because you would like that and not realize that many would not or can not.
Are you actually implying that the majority of the world doesn't deal with most everything online????? LOLOLOL I think it's you that lives a sheltered life. We live in a technology age, paper is dead. Needing to deal with anyone in person is often unnecessary. This isn't 1960 anymore, the world functions online nowadays.
That aside, nobody is saying to get rid of polling places. We should be EXPANDING the ways in which we can vote.
Everyone should have an opportunity to vote in the way that best fits their lifestyle whether that be in-person, an absentee ballot or online. The expectation that everyone MUST show up at a polling place to vote is absolute insanity when we live in a world where most everything we do can be taken care of without needing to "show up". Also, I don't think you realize just how difficult some counties make it to vote. When I vote in-person it's quick and painless. Many stand in line for hours and hours and then still don't get their votes counted. Did you see GoldenRod's post, that is just one small example of how bad it is for many to have to show up in-person to vote.
Furthermore, expecting anyone to carry around an ID that is used exclusively for voting purposes is ridiculous and will be used as yet another way to disenfranchise certain groups of people.
What is your issue with making voting easier or using the technology around us to our advantage? If anyone feels secure enough to bank online, pay taxes online, etc then they will no doubt be open to voting online. Just another option to make life easier.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by GoldenRod
https://www.npr.org/2020/10/17/924527679/why-do-nonwhite-georgia-voters-have-to-wait-in-line-for-hours-too-few-polling-pl
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Hundreds of people were waiting in the heat and rain outside the lush, tree-lined complex in Union City, an Atlanta suburb with 22,400 residents, nearly 88% of them Black. She briefly considered not casting a ballot at all, but decided to stay.
By the time she got inside more than five hours later, the polls had officially closed and the electronic scanners were shut down. Poll workers told her she'd have to cast a provisional ballot, but they promised that her vote would be counted.
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5 hours in the rain! How is that a modern system of voting? And that is far from the only place I read about with multiple hours of waiting in line to vote.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54532189
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You may think waiting 11 hours to vote would be the height of frustration, but not for one family in Georgia.
"We made it, y'all," says Johnta Austin in one viral video filmed as they reach the front of the queue, describing the lengthy process as an "honour".
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Respondents in Norway, Germany and other European countries said there were numerous places to drop off ballots ahead of time and that unlike in the US, most polling locations were a short walk from home.
From Germany to Israel, people also reminded Americans that unlike in the US, voting occurs on holidays and weekends.
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11 hours! To cast a vote!
How about opening more polling places as that would solve the problem?
Every year, there are more voters, and every year, they close more polling places. Sure "open more polling places" sounds great. It's not going to happen in today's environment. The people in power in various states have been manipulating voting every way possible for decades.
How about on-line voting, to take care of 75% or more of voters, so those that can't vote on-line, or don't want to, have tremendously shorter lines. My taxes are done on-line. Banks make billion dollar deals on-line. I can renew my driver's license on-line. I can earn a college degree on-line. My medical info is on-line. Why not voting?
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by GoldenRod
https://www.npr.org/2020/10/17/924527679/why-do-nonwhite-georgia-voters-have-to-wait-in-line-for-hours-too-few-polling-pl
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Hundreds of people were waiting in the heat and rain outside the lush, tree-lined complex in Union City, an Atlanta suburb with 22,400 residents, nearly 88% of them Black. She briefly considered not casting a ballot at all, but decided to stay.
By the time she got inside more than five hours later, the polls had officially closed and the electronic scanners were shut down. Poll workers told her she'd have to cast a provisional ballot, but they promised that her vote would be counted.
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5 hours in the rain! How is that a modern system of voting? And that is far from the only place I read about with multiple hours of waiting in line to vote.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54532189
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You may think waiting 11 hours to vote would be the height of frustration, but not for one family in Georgia.
"We made it, y'all," says Johnta Austin in one viral video filmed as they reach the front of the queue, describing the lengthy process as an "honour".
...
Respondents in Norway, Germany and other European countries said there were numerous places to drop off ballots ahead of time and that unlike in the US, most polling locations were a short walk from home.
From Germany to Israel, people also reminded Americans that unlike in the US, voting occurs on holidays and weekends.
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11 hours! To cast a vote!
How about opening more polling places as that would solve the problem?
How about expanding the ways in which we can vote and use technology to our advantage so more and more people can be heard????????
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Hofstra26
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by GoldenRod
https://www.npr.org/2020/10/17/924527679/why-do-nonwhite-georgia-voters-have-to-wait-in-line-for-hours-too-few-polling-pl
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Hundreds of people were waiting in the heat and rain outside the lush, tree-lined complex in Union City, an Atlanta suburb with 22,400 residents, nearly 88% of them Black. She briefly considered not casting a ballot at all, but decided to stay.
By the time she got inside more than five hours later, the polls had officially closed and the electronic scanners were shut down. Poll workers told her she'd have to cast a provisional ballot, but they promised that her vote would be counted.
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5 hours in the rain! How is that a modern system of voting? And that is far from the only place I read about with multiple hours of waiting in line to vote.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54532189
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You may think waiting 11 hours to vote would be the height of frustration, but not for one family in Georgia.
"We made it, y'all," says Johnta Austin in one viral video filmed as they reach the front of the queue, describing the lengthy process as an "honour".
...
Respondents in Norway, Germany and other European countries said there were numerous places to drop off ballots ahead of time and that unlike in the US, most polling locations were a short walk from home.
From Germany to Israel, people also reminded Americans that unlike in the US, voting occurs on holidays and weekends.
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11 hours! To cast a vote!
How about opening more polling places as that would solve the problem?
Every year, there are more voters, and every year, they close more polling places. Sure "open more polling places" sounds great. It's not going to happen in today's environment. The people in power in various states have been manipulating voting every way possible for decades.
How about on-line voting, to take care of 75% or more of voters, so those that can't vote on-line, or don't want to, have tremendously shorter lines. My taxes are done on-line. Banks make billion dollar deals on-line. I can renew my driver's license on-line. I can earn a college degree on-line. My medical info is on-line. Why not voting?
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by Hofstra26
Let's be honest. If they issued government ID's for voting then some people would then b!tch that it's not good enough and they would rail on about ballots not being secure. And then if they did away with ballots some would b!tch about the voting booths, or the day, or the time or how they count the votes and on and on. Why? Because some people like to complain about literally everything, especially when their candidate loses, regardless if it's rooted in any fact whatsoever.
Furthermore, this wouldn't be a conversation if it weren't for the tantrum throwing, sore loser, previous president who brainwashed SO many into actually believing that our election system is riddled with rampant fraud and the election was stolen from him.
The election rhetoric is getting so old. Until someone, ANYONE, can furnish clear cut, indisputable evidence that there is so much rampant fraud in our election system that elections are being decided a completely different way because of it then there is really nothing to talk about. It's pointless drama.
Nope. I bitched about the absurdity of it when I lived in another state 10 years ago. It’s been on my radar for a while.
Our government has no problem spending trillions of dollars on absolute horse shit. I’m sure if it was made any kind of priority the money could miraculously be found. And why should we wait for rampant fraud to occur in an election before we mandate IDs?
It hasn't been on the radar of the vast majority of this country. MOST people go vote and then don't think about the election beyond that.
There has NEVER been rampant fraud in this country and some stupid little government ID won't protect against that even if some were hell bent on screwing the system. If someone REALLY wanted to mess with our election they would find a way and what career criminal couldn't make a fake ID if needed?
I think people are putting WAY too much stock in what an ID would do in terms of security. It's silly.
I think with this last election it has become something more on people’s radar. More people are getting involved in politics and paying more attention.
It could actually do much more for security as people on this board alone have commented how they could easily commit fraud when voting.
I’ve had this on my radar since I turned 18 and showed up with my ID to vote and they told me to just sign and I was terrified that my signature wouldn’t match and I’d be embarrassed in front of everyone in line.....end result....they didn’t even look at my shaky signature!
It’s harder to make multiple fake id’s compared to randomly signing for people or requesting ballots for people.
I mean, we’re all about correcting things that have been done certain ways since the beginning of time these days but we can’t correct this? We can’t be bothered by this because you don’t agree? We have different opinions and I think ID should be required. I’m not going to argue back and forth.
So let me get this straight. You are all for change when it's what YOU want, such as voter ID. But when the change involves measures to make voting easier for everyone, such as mail in ballots, then you're outraged and want things to stay the same. Ok cool, got it.
I never said I’m against mail in ballots???
I’m for it being done WHEN NEEDED. There is no reason a perfectly fine human being can’t walk themselves to a polling place. There are people who fit the criteria and that’s fine. But able bodied people shouldn’t be mailing on ballots. Personally, I wouldn’t trust my vote actually getting where it needs to get in time.
I am bothered, not outraged, by randomly mailing absentee ballots when the individual doesn’t request them. That makes zero sense. ETA that this also creates issues with more local elections that are too close to call. If you have everyone being mailed ballots and members in the household or family members completing them for people who have no intention of voting this adds up! Get out and vote!
It's the 21st century and with all of the technology we have available to us expecting people to only vote in person is simply archaic and outdated. There is no reason to continue the voting process as we did 40 years ago. Time to change with the times.
That’s your opinion, I have to disagree.
Changing with the times to me, means showing ID because technology has changed and we need to prevent fraud. And changing with times, every single citizen should have a photo ID. Figure it out America, for the millionth time INVEST IN OUR COUNTRY and issue photo ID.
I would think it’s opposite of racist....wouldn’t they now be able to do so many things that they apparently can’t do since they don’t have photo ID? Or is it that they most legal citizens already have a photo ID and this is just an excuse?
First, there is NO rampant fraud and has never been. Not in this past election. Not in any other election. That is just a fact. Are there minor irregularities or some degree of human error? Of course. But none of that has ever been shown to alter the outcome of an election especially to the degree to which Trump spent months trying to convince everyone of.
But that aside.
The point I am making is we need to change with the times. Who cares about a silly government issued ID card that likely half the population won't be able to keep track of since we vote so infrequently. We should be working towards updating our election process to include voting online, voting via text, etc. This whole concept of expecting anyone to show up in person with a paper ID card to vote is literally the most archaic thing in the world.
The entire country lives their lives online. We file taxes, pay bills, manage our money, apply for loans, handle medical bills, handle investments, apply for government benefits, benefits, sell houses, open accounts and on and on and on. How idiotic that we don't have the ability to vote online as well. In the 21st century with a generation of kids and adults who do next to nothing in-person it makes no sense to continue to push this outdated way of voting.
We use to have those voting booths when I was a kid and as those became outdated we moved to counting votes via other methods. For example, in my voting district on LI you bubbled in a paper ballot and it was scanned into a machine to be counted. Now it's time to move away from having to be in-person at all to opening up voting online. We should CONSTANTLY be in a state of improving the system and making it EASIER for everyone to have their voices heard.
To that end, we should also be doing away with the need to even register to vote in the first place. EVERY American citizen should automatically be able to vote upon turning 18. We shouldn't have to file paperwork to do so, streamline it. Make it automatic.
A flimsy little ID card that everyone is expected to carry around and keep with them so they can vote every 2-4 years is such an outdated, archaic concept that it will cause more problems than it solves. It's really not forward thinking at all IMO. We need to find ways to take advantage of all the technology that we have available to us in order to make voting more accessible to the masses. Standing on a long line at a polling booth (with a little ID card) is so 1980. Time to change.
I would assume an ID card would be for anything, not just voting like people have them now. I worked with a woman who didn’t have a drivers license and she had ID as she needed it for many things in life. I don’t understand how people can go through life without ID. I think some are making a big assumption that many don’t have ID when the number is probably much lower. What do adults do now who don’t have licenses?
You also do realize that not everyone has access to going online or don’t like it know how to. I just had this discussion with my mom about a friend of hers who doesn’t do any online banking and she waits until her statement comes in the mail and then goes to the bank to talk to them what her charges are. You have to live a very sheltered life if you think because of the things you have and know that everyone else should.
For the majority of people, there is no issue voting in person. Some I can see need absentee ballots but it sounds like you would rather go to online voting eventually because you would like that and not realize that many would not or can not.
Are you actually implying that the majority of the world doesn't deal with most everything online????? LOLOLOL I think it's you that lives a sheltered life. We live in a technology age, paper is dead. Needing to deal with anyone in person is often unnecessary. This isn't 1960 anymore, the world functions online nowadays.
That aside, nobody is saying to get rid of polling places. We should be EXPANDING the ways in which we can vote.
Everyone should have an opportunity to vote in the way that best fits their lifestyle whether that be in-person, an absentee ballot or online. The expectation that everyone MUST show up at a polling place to vote is absolute insanity when we live in a world where most everything we do can be taken care of without needing to "show up". Also, I don't think you realize just how difficult some counties make it to vote. When I vote in-person it's quick and painless. Many stand in line for hours and hours and then still don't get their votes counted. Did you see GoldenRod's post, that is just one small example of how bad it is for many to have to show up in-person to vote.
Furthermore, expecting anyone to carry around an ID that is used exclusively for voting purposes is ridiculous and will be used as yet another way to disenfranchise certain groups of people.
What is your issue with making voting easier or using the technology around us to our advantage? If anyone feels secure enough to bank online, pay taxes online, etc then they will no doubt be open to voting online. Just another option to make life easier.
The only sheltered person would be the one who assumes that because everything they do is online that the rest of the country is the same way. I just gave one example of many of people that don’t do things online. Another example is people who are trying to get vaccine appointments and can’t do it online too. Not everyone works online even though most things function that way now.
Once again I commented that people need an ID for more than just voting so what do they have now? Something they most likely carry around everyday so anyone who doesn’t would also need to use it on a regular basis.
Do you know anyone who doesn’t work online or not have an ID? Many of us live i n a bubble and don’t know what really goes on past our nice homes and cushy offices.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by GoldenRod
https://www.npr.org/2020/10/17/924527679/why-do-nonwhite-georgia-voters-have-to-wait-in-line-for-hours-too-few-polling-pl
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Hundreds of people were waiting in the heat and rain outside the lush, tree-lined complex in Union City, an Atlanta suburb with 22,400 residents, nearly 88% of them Black. She briefly considered not casting a ballot at all, but decided to stay.
By the time she got inside more than five hours later, the polls had officially closed and the electronic scanners were shut down. Poll workers told her she'd have to cast a provisional ballot, but they promised that her vote would be counted.
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5 hours in the rain! How is that a modern system of voting? And that is far from the only place I read about with multiple hours of waiting in line to vote.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54532189
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You may think waiting 11 hours to vote would be the height of frustration, but not for one family in Georgia.
"We made it, y'all," says Johnta Austin in one viral video filmed as they reach the front of the queue, describing the lengthy process as an "honour".
...
Respondents in Norway, Germany and other European countries said there were numerous places to drop off ballots ahead of time and that unlike in the US, most polling locations were a short walk from home.
From Germany to Israel, people also reminded Americans that unlike in the US, voting occurs on holidays and weekends.
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11 hours! To cast a vote!
How about opening more polling places as that would solve the problem?
Every year, there are more voters, and every year, they close more polling places. Sure "open more polling places" sounds great. It's not going to happen in today's environment. The people in power in various states have been manipulating voting every way possible for decades.
How about on-line voting, to take care of 75% or more of voters, so those that can't vote on-line, or don't want to, have tremendously shorter lines. My taxes are done on-line. Banks make billion dollar deals on-line. I can renew my driver's license on-line. I can earn a college degree on-line. My medical info is on-line. Why not voting?
I never disagreed that online voting is a bad idea, even though it might crash the systems is everyone is trying to do it at the same time like many other sites. (IRS when everyone was trying to look up theirs stimulus date as an example).
I do not think polling places should close though because I am able to go online and think that everyone else has that option and luxury in life.
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GoldenRod
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by windyweather21
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The only sheltered person would be the one who assumes that because everything they do is online that the rest of the country is the same way. I just gave one example of many of people that don’t do things online. Another example is people who are trying to get vaccine appointments and can’t do it online too. Not everyone works online even though most things function that way now.
Once again I commented that people need an ID for more than just voting so what do they have now? Something they most likely carry around everyday so anyone who doesn’t would also need to use it on a regular basis.
Do you know anyone who doesn’t work online or not have an ID? Many of us live i n a bubble and don’t know what really goes on past our nice homes and cushy offices.
NOBODY (but you) is saying ANYTHING about ONLY voting on-line. We are all saying, make every opportunity available to everyone. If you want to vote on-line, like you file your taxes, then great. If you want to file an absentee ballot, go ahead and do that. If you want to go in person, fine, there should be plenty of opportunities to do that, too.
If I get the flu on Election Day, I'm not standing in line, and nobody there is going to want me to. But, if I can sit up for 10 minutes, I can vote on-line.
The "security" for in-person voting is an 80 year old retired grandmother. SHE is going to prevent any and all voting fraud? Not the teams of professional security professionals who lock down top-secret networks, and handle the IRS security if we have on-line voting?
And the voting ID issue CAN'T be discussed as being mandatory to vote right now because some people currently can't get a license without paying for it. Until the gov't does issue free ID to everyone, we can't do it. I've been saying that for months. We can discuss the merits of having ID to vote, but today, it's against the Constitution. Yes, the gov't *should* give out free ID, but they don't...
Make voting EASIER, not harder.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by JennP
Since the switch in party platforms drew to its completion in the 1970s, Republicans have been working diligently to suppress the vote. This law was written with surgical precision to target Dem leaning voters.
Without voter suppression, they'll never win another presidential election again. The numbers aren't there.
They must do this to maintain power, which is all they care about.
There are many examples beyond this one (backlash to the Motor Voter law for instance) but this one is particularly blatant.
I didn't read every post so I don't know if it's been mentioned but the most egregious part of the law which doesn't get the press it should is the fact that the Georgia Legislature effectively has the power to overturn the will of the people and decide national elections (not sure about state but I would assume them too.) Basically, it takes power from the SOS.
If they could put the amount of energy they put into suppressing the vote into trying to figure out how to actually serve the people they might get some votes back.
I agree with you. That the state can interfere with local elections and remove and replace at will is frightening.
It's directed to Fulton country.
I didn't make any mention of it because it wasn't the angle that posters were talking about.
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The only sheltered person would be the one who assumes that because everything they do is online that the rest of the country is the same way. I just gave one example of many of people that don’t do things online. Another example is people who are trying to get vaccine appointments and can’t do it online too. Not everyone works online even though most things function that way now.
Once again I commented that people need an ID for more than just voting so what do they have now? Something they most likely carry around everyday so anyone who doesn’t would also need to use it on a regular basis.
Do you know anyone who doesn’t work online or not have an ID? Many of us live i n a bubble and don’t know what really goes on past our nice homes and cushy offices.
NOBODY (but you) is saying ANYTHING about ONLY voting on-line. We are all saying, make every opportunity available to everyone. If you want to vote on-line, like you file your taxes, then great. If you want to file an absentee ballot, go ahead and do that. If you want to go in person, fine, there should be plenty of opportunities to do that, too.
If I get the flu on Election Day, I'm not standing in line, and nobody there is going to want me to. But, if I can sit up for 10 minutes, I can vote on-line.
The "security" for in-person voting is an 80 year old retired grandmother. SHE is going to prevent any and all voting fraud? Not the teams of professional security professionals who lock down top-secret networks, and handle the IRS security if we have on-line voting?
And the voting ID issue CAN'T be discussed as being mandatory to vote right now because some people currently can't get a license without paying for it. Until the gov't does issue free ID to everyone, we can't do it. I've been saying that for months. We can discuss the merits of having ID to vote, but today, it's against the Constitution. Yes, the gov't *should* give out free ID, but they don't...
Make voting EASIER, not harder.
NOBODY (but you) is saying ANYTHING about ONLY voting on-line.
Quoting Hofstra...
Now it's time to move away from having to be in-person at all to opening up voting online.
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Hofstra26
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by Hofstra26
Let's be honest. If they issued government ID's for voting then some people would then b!tch that it's not good enough and they would rail on about ballots not being secure. And then if they did away with ballots some would b!tch about the voting booths, or the day, or the time or how they count the votes and on and on. Why? Because some people like to complain about literally everything, especially when their candidate loses, regardless if it's rooted in any fact whatsoever.
Furthermore, this wouldn't be a conversation if it weren't for the tantrum throwing, sore loser, previous president who brainwashed SO many into actually believing that our election system is riddled with rampant fraud and the election was stolen from him.
The election rhetoric is getting so old. Until someone, ANYONE, can furnish clear cut, indisputable evidence that there is so much rampant fraud in our election system that elections are being decided a completely different way because of it then there is really nothing to talk about. It's pointless drama.
Nope. I bitched about the absurdity of it when I lived in another state 10 years ago. It’s been on my radar for a while.
Our government has no problem spending trillions of dollars on absolute horse shit. I’m sure if it was made any kind of priority the money could miraculously be found. And why should we wait for rampant fraud to occur in an election before we mandate IDs?
It hasn't been on the radar of the vast majority of this country. MOST people go vote and then don't think about the election beyond that.
There has NEVER been rampant fraud in this country and some stupid little government ID won't protect against that even if some were hell bent on screwing the system. If someone REALLY wanted to mess with our election they would find a way and what career criminal couldn't make a fake ID if needed?
I think people are putting WAY too much stock in what an ID would do in terms of security. It's silly.
I think with this last election it has become something more on people’s radar. More people are getting involved in politics and paying more attention.
It could actually do much more for security as people on this board alone have commented how they could easily commit fraud when voting.
I’ve had this on my radar since I turned 18 and showed up with my ID to vote and they told me to just sign and I was terrified that my signature wouldn’t match and I’d be embarrassed in front of everyone in line.....end result....they didn’t even look at my shaky signature!
It’s harder to make multiple fake id’s compared to randomly signing for people or requesting ballots for people.
I mean, we’re all about correcting things that have been done certain ways since the beginning of time these days but we can’t correct this? We can’t be bothered by this because you don’t agree? We have different opinions and I think ID should be required. I’m not going to argue back and forth.
So let me get this straight. You are all for change when it's what YOU want, such as voter ID. But when the change involves measures to make voting easier for everyone, such as mail in ballots, then you're outraged and want things to stay the same. Ok cool, got it.
I never said I’m against mail in ballots???
I’m for it being done WHEN NEEDED. There is no reason a perfectly fine human being can’t walk themselves to a polling place. There are people who fit the criteria and that’s fine. But able bodied people shouldn’t be mailing on ballots. Personally, I wouldn’t trust my vote actually getting where it needs to get in time.
I am bothered, not outraged, by randomly mailing absentee ballots when the individual doesn’t request them. That makes zero sense. ETA that this also creates issues with more local elections that are too close to call. If you have everyone being mailed ballots and members in the household or family members completing them for people who have no intention of voting this adds up! Get out and vote!
It's the 21st century and with all of the technology we have available to us expecting people to only vote in person is simply archaic and outdated. There is no reason to continue the voting process as we did 40 years ago. Time to change with the times.
That’s your opinion, I have to disagree.
Changing with the times to me, means showing ID because technology has changed and we need to prevent fraud. And changing with times, every single citizen should have a photo ID. Figure it out America, for the millionth time INVEST IN OUR COUNTRY and issue photo ID.
I would think it’s opposite of racist....wouldn’t they now be able to do so many things that they apparently can’t do since they don’t have photo ID? Or is it that they most legal citizens already have a photo ID and this is just an excuse?
First, there is NO rampant fraud and has never been. Not in this past election. Not in any other election. That is just a fact. Are there minor irregularities or some degree of human error? Of course. But none of that has ever been shown to alter the outcome of an election especially to the degree to which Trump spent months trying to convince everyone of.
But that aside.
The point I am making is we need to change with the times. Who cares about a silly government issued ID card that likely half the population won't be able to keep track of since we vote so infrequently. We should be working towards updating our election process to include voting online, voting via text, etc. This whole concept of expecting anyone to show up in person with a paper ID card to vote is literally the most archaic thing in the world.
The entire country lives their lives online. We file taxes, pay bills, manage our money, apply for loans, handle medical bills, handle investments, apply for government benefits, benefits, sell houses, open accounts and on and on and on. How idiotic that we don't have the ability to vote online as well. In the 21st century with a generation of kids and adults who do next to nothing in-person it makes no sense to continue to push this outdated way of voting.
We use to have those voting booths when I was a kid and as those became outdated we moved to counting votes via other methods. For example, in my voting district on LI you bubbled in a paper ballot and it was scanned into a machine to be counted. Now it's time to move away from having to be in-person at all to opening up voting online. We should CONSTANTLY be in a state of improving the system and making it EASIER for everyone to have their voices heard.
To that end, we should also be doing away with the need to even register to vote in the first place. EVERY American citizen should automatically be able to vote upon turning 18. We shouldn't have to file paperwork to do so, streamline it. Make it automatic.
A flimsy little ID card that everyone is expected to carry around and keep with them so they can vote every 2-4 years is such an outdated, archaic concept that it will cause more problems than it solves. It's really not forward thinking at all IMO. We need to find ways to take advantage of all the technology that we have available to us in order to make voting more accessible to the masses. Standing on a long line at a polling booth (with a little ID card) is so 1980. Time to change.
I would assume an ID card would be for anything, not just voting like people have them now. I worked with a woman who didn’t have a drivers license and she had ID as she needed it for many things in life. I don’t understand how people can go through life without ID. I think some are making a big assumption that many don’t have ID when the number is probably much lower. What do adults do now who don’t have licenses?
You also do realize that not everyone has access to going online or don’t like it know how to. I just had this discussion with my mom about a friend of hers who doesn’t do any online banking and she waits until her statement comes in the mail and then goes to the bank to talk to them what her charges are. You have to live a very sheltered life if you think because of the things you have and know that everyone else should.
For the majority of people, there is no issue voting in person. Some I can see need absentee ballots but it sounds like you would rather go to online voting eventually because you would like that and not realize that many would not or can not.
Are you actually implying that the majority of the world doesn't deal with most everything online????? LOLOLOL I think it's you that lives a sheltered life. We live in a technology age, paper is dead. Needing to deal with anyone in person is often unnecessary. This isn't 1960 anymore, the world functions online nowadays.
That aside, nobody is saying to get rid of polling places. We should be EXPANDING the ways in which we can vote.
Everyone should have an opportunity to vote in the way that best fits their lifestyle whether that be in-person, an absentee ballot or online. The expectation that everyone MUST show up at a polling place to vote is absolute insanity when we live in a world where most everything we do can be taken care of without needing to "show up". Also, I don't think you realize just how difficult some counties make it to vote. When I vote in-person it's quick and painless. Many stand in line for hours and hours and then still don't get their votes counted. Did you see GoldenRod's post, that is just one small example of how bad it is for many to have to show up in-person to vote.
Furthermore, expecting anyone to carry around an ID that is used exclusively for voting purposes is ridiculous and will be used as yet another way to disenfranchise certain groups of people.
What is your issue with making voting easier or using the technology around us to our advantage? If anyone feels secure enough to bank online, pay taxes online, etc then they will no doubt be open to voting online. Just another option to make life easier.
The only sheltered person would be the one who assumes that because everything they do is online that the rest of the country is the same way. I just gave one example of many of people that don’t do things online. Another example is people who are trying to get vaccine appointments and can’t do it online too. Not everyone works online even though most things function that way now.
Once again I commented that people need an ID for more than just voting so what do they have now? Something they most likely carry around everyday so anyone who doesn’t would also need to use it on a regular basis.
Do you know anyone who doesn’t work online or not have an ID? Many of us live i n a bubble and don’t know what really goes on past our nice homes and cushy offices.
Do you listen before you type???????????????????
CLEARLY you do not understand what goes on past our "cushy lives". You know, like the people who are standing in line trying to vote for HOURS only to be shut out when they finally get into the polling booth. But yea, in-person voting with ID is the wave of the future. LOL
So again, for the people in the back who won't listen, we should be EXPANDING our voting system to include online voting IN ADDITION to in person and ballot voting so that EVERYONE has a means to vote in WHATEVER way that is most easy for them.
Good grief. 
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Re: Georgia voting law
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The only sheltered person would be the one who assumes that because everything they do is online that the rest of the country is the same way. I just gave one example of many of people that don’t do things online. Another example is people who are trying to get vaccine appointments and can’t do it online too. Not everyone works online even though most things function that way now.
Once again I commented that people need an ID for more than just voting so what do they have now? Something they most likely carry around everyday so anyone who doesn’t would also need to use it on a regular basis.
Do you know anyone who doesn’t work online or not have an ID? Many of us live i n a bubble and don’t know what really goes on past our nice homes and cushy offices.
NOBODY (but you) is saying ANYTHING about ONLY voting on-line. We are all saying, make every opportunity available to everyone. If you want to vote on-line, like you file your taxes, then great. If you want to file an absentee ballot, go ahead and do that. If you want to go in person, fine, there should be plenty of opportunities to do that, too.
If I get the flu on Election Day, I'm not standing in line, and nobody there is going to want me to. But, if I can sit up for 10 minutes, I can vote on-line.
The "security" for in-person voting is an 80 year old retired grandmother. SHE is going to prevent any and all voting fraud? Not the teams of professional security professionals who lock down top-secret networks, and handle the IRS security if we have on-line voting?
And the voting ID issue CAN'T be discussed as being mandatory to vote right now because some people currently can't get a license without paying for it. Until the gov't does issue free ID to everyone, we can't do it. I've been saying that for months. We can discuss the merits of having ID to vote, but today, it's against the Constitution. Yes, the gov't *should* give out free ID, but they don't...
Make voting EASIER, not harder.
NOBODY (but you) is saying ANYTHING about ONLY voting on-line.
Quoting Hofstra...
Now it's time to move away from having to be in-person at all to opening up voting online.
Let me clarify because you seemed to have missed the SAME point I've been making OVER and OVER which is that we should be EXPANDING voting.
I did not say we should do away with in-person voting, I have said that we should be moving away from ONLY in-person voting. That shouldn't be the standard, end all and be all way to vote. It's archaic. It's complicates things for many Americans. We should EXPAND voting to include online voting ALONG with in-person voting AND absentee/mail in ballots.
What don't you understand????? Take a minute and LISTEN to what everyone is trying to say to you regarding this issue before you type back.
ETA - Stop taking snippets of what people say that are OUT OF CONTEXT in order to try and further your argument. You didn't "quote" me, you pulled one sentence from a paragraph I wrote EXPLAINING what I was talking about.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
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Posted by LittleDiva
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Posted by RomeyT
Posted by Hofstra26
Let's be honest. If they issued government ID's for voting then some people would then b!tch that it's not good enough and they would rail on about ballots not being secure. And then if they did away with ballots some would b!tch about the voting booths, or the day, or the time or how they count the votes and on and on. Why? Because some people like to complain about literally everything, especially when their candidate loses, regardless if it's rooted in any fact whatsoever.
Furthermore, this wouldn't be a conversation if it weren't for the tantrum throwing, sore loser, previous president who brainwashed SO many into actually believing that our election system is riddled with rampant fraud and the election was stolen from him.
The election rhetoric is getting so old. Until someone, ANYONE, can furnish clear cut, indisputable evidence that there is so much rampant fraud in our election system that elections are being decided a completely different way because of it then there is really nothing to talk about. It's pointless drama.
Nope. I bitched about the absurdity of it when I lived in another state 10 years ago. It’s been on my radar for a while.
Our government has no problem spending trillions of dollars on absolute horse shit. I’m sure if it was made any kind of priority the money could miraculously be found. And why should we wait for rampant fraud to occur in an election before we mandate IDs?
It hasn't been on the radar of the vast majority of this country. MOST people go vote and then don't think about the election beyond that.
There has NEVER been rampant fraud in this country and some stupid little government ID won't protect against that even if some were hell bent on screwing the system. If someone REALLY wanted to mess with our election they would find a way and what career criminal couldn't make a fake ID if needed?
I think people are putting WAY too much stock in what an ID would do in terms of security. It's silly.
I think with this last election it has become something more on people’s radar. More people are getting involved in politics and paying more attention.
It could actually do much more for security as people on this board alone have commented how they could easily commit fraud when voting.
I’ve had this on my radar since I turned 18 and showed up with my ID to vote and they told me to just sign and I was terrified that my signature wouldn’t match and I’d be embarrassed in front of everyone in line.....end result....they didn’t even look at my shaky signature!
It’s harder to make multiple fake id’s compared to randomly signing for people or requesting ballots for people.
I mean, we’re all about correcting things that have been done certain ways since the beginning of time these days but we can’t correct this? We can’t be bothered by this because you don’t agree? We have different opinions and I think ID should be required. I’m not going to argue back and forth.
So let me get this straight. You are all for change when it's what YOU want, such as voter ID. But when the change involves measures to make voting easier for everyone, such as mail in ballots, then you're outraged and want things to stay the same. Ok cool, got it.
I never said I’m against mail in ballots???
I’m for it being done WHEN NEEDED. There is no reason a perfectly fine human being can’t walk themselves to a polling place. There are people who fit the criteria and that’s fine. But able bodied people shouldn’t be mailing on ballots. Personally, I wouldn’t trust my vote actually getting where it needs to get in time.
I am bothered, not outraged, by randomly mailing absentee ballots when the individual doesn’t request them. That makes zero sense. ETA that this also creates issues with more local elections that are too close to call. If you have everyone being mailed ballots and members in the household or family members completing them for people who have no intention of voting this adds up! Get out and vote!
It's the 21st century and with all of the technology we have available to us expecting people to only vote in person is simply archaic and outdated. There is no reason to continue the voting process as we did 40 years ago. Time to change with the times.
That’s your opinion, I have to disagree.
Changing with the times to me, means showing ID because technology has changed and we need to prevent fraud. And changing with times, every single citizen should have a photo ID. Figure it out America, for the millionth time INVEST IN OUR COUNTRY and issue photo ID.
I would think it’s opposite of racist....wouldn’t they now be able to do so many things that they apparently can’t do since they don’t have photo ID? Or is it that they most legal citizens already have a photo ID and this is just an excuse?
First, there is NO rampant fraud and has never been. Not in this past election. Not in any other election. That is just a fact. Are there minor irregularities or some degree of human error? Of course. But none of that has ever been shown to alter the outcome of an election especially to the degree to which Trump spent months trying to convince everyone of.
But that aside.
The point I am making is we need to change with the times. Who cares about a silly government issued ID card that likely half the population won't be able to keep track of since we vote so infrequently. We should be working towards updating our election process to include voting online, voting via text, etc. This whole concept of expecting anyone to show up in person with a paper ID card to vote is literally the most archaic thing in the world.
The entire country lives their lives online. We file taxes, pay bills, manage our money, apply for loans, handle medical bills, handle investments, apply for government benefits, benefits, sell houses, open accounts and on and on and on. How idiotic that we don't have the ability to vote online as well. In the 21st century with a generation of kids and adults who do next to nothing in-person it makes no sense to continue to push this outdated way of voting.
We use to have those voting booths when I was a kid and as those became outdated we moved to counting votes via other methods. For example, in my voting district on LI you bubbled in a paper ballot and it was scanned into a machine to be counted. Now it's time to move away from having to be in-person at all to opening up voting online. We should CONSTANTLY be in a state of improving the system and making it EASIER for everyone to have their voices heard.
To that end, we should also be doing away with the need to even register to vote in the first place. EVERY American citizen should automatically be able to vote upon turning 18. We shouldn't have to file paperwork to do so, streamline it. Make it automatic.
A flimsy little ID card that everyone is expected to carry around and keep with them so they can vote every 2-4 years is such an outdated, archaic concept that it will cause more problems than it solves. It's really not forward thinking at all IMO. We need to find ways to take advantage of all the technology that we have available to us in order to make voting more accessible to the masses. Standing on a long line at a polling booth (with a little ID card) is so 1980. Time to change.
I would assume an ID card would be for anything, not just voting like people have them now. I worked with a woman who didn’t have a drivers license and she had ID as she needed it for many things in life. I don’t understand how people can go through life without ID. I think some are making a big assumption that many don’t have ID when the number is probably much lower. What do adults do now who don’t have licenses?
You also do realize that not everyone has access to going online or don’t like it know how to. I just had this discussion with my mom about a friend of hers who doesn’t do any online banking and she waits until her statement comes in the mail and then goes to the bank to talk to them what her charges are. You have to live a very sheltered life if you think because of the things you have and know that everyone else should.
For the majority of people, there is no issue voting in person. Some I can see need absentee ballots but it sounds like you would rather go to online voting eventually because you would like that and not realize that many would not or can not.
Are you actually implying that the majority of the world doesn't deal with most everything online????? LOLOLOL I think it's you that lives a sheltered life. We live in a technology age, paper is dead. Needing to deal with anyone in person is often unnecessary. This isn't 1960 anymore, the world functions online nowadays.
That aside, nobody is saying to get rid of polling places. We should be EXPANDING the ways in which we can vote.
Everyone should have an opportunity to vote in the way that best fits their lifestyle whether that be in-person, an absentee ballot or online. The expectation that everyone MUST show up at a polling place to vote is absolute insanity when we live in a world where most everything we do can be taken care of without needing to "show up". Also, I don't think you realize just how difficult some counties make it to vote. When I vote in-person it's quick and painless. Many stand in line for hours and hours and then still don't get their votes counted. Did you see GoldenRod's post, that is just one small example of how bad it is for many to have to show up in-person to vote.
Furthermore, expecting anyone to carry around an ID that is used exclusively for voting purposes is ridiculous and will be used as yet another way to disenfranchise certain groups of people.
What is your issue with making voting easier or using the technology around us to our advantage? If anyone feels secure enough to bank online, pay taxes online, etc then they will no doubt be open to voting online. Just another option to make life easier.
The only sheltered person would be the one who assumes that because everything they do is online that the rest of the country is the same way. I just gave one example of many of people that don’t do things online. Another example is people who are trying to get vaccine appointments and can’t do it online too. Not everyone works online even though most things function that way now.
Once again I commented that people need an ID for more than just voting so what do they have now? Something they most likely carry around everyday so anyone who doesn’t would also need to use it on a regular basis.
Do you know anyone who doesn’t work online or not have an ID? Many of us live i n a bubble and don’t know what really goes on past our nice homes and cushy offices.
Do you listen before you type???????????????????
CLEARLY you do not understand what goes on past our "cushy lives". You know, like the people who are standing in line trying to vote for HOURS only to be shut out when they finally get into the polling booth. But yea, in-person voting with ID is the wave of the future. LOL
So again, for the people in the back who won't listen, we should be EXPANDING our voting system to include online voting IN ADDITION to in person and ballot voting so that EVERYONE has a means to vote in WHATEVER way that is most easy for them.
Good grief.
Once again I understand as I know past my “cushy” life if you want to call it that.
I agree it should be in addition. I was just quoting what you said.
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Re: Georgia voting law
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Posted by windyweather21
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The only sheltered person would be the one who assumes that because everything they do is online that the rest of the country is the same way. I just gave one example of many of people that don’t do things online. Another example is people who are trying to get vaccine appointments and can’t do it online too. Not everyone works online even though most things function that way now.
Once again I commented that people need an ID for more than just voting so what do they have now? Something they most likely carry around everyday so anyone who doesn’t would also need to use it on a regular basis.
Do you know anyone who doesn’t work online or not have an ID? Many of us live i n a bubble and don’t know what really goes on past our nice homes and cushy offices.
NOBODY (but you) is saying ANYTHING about ONLY voting on-line. We are all saying, make every opportunity available to everyone. If you want to vote on-line, like you file your taxes, then great. If you want to file an absentee ballot, go ahead and do that. If you want to go in person, fine, there should be plenty of opportunities to do that, too.
If I get the flu on Election Day, I'm not standing in line, and nobody there is going to want me to. But, if I can sit up for 10 minutes, I can vote on-line.
The "security" for in-person voting is an 80 year old retired grandmother. SHE is going to prevent any and all voting fraud? Not the teams of professional security professionals who lock down top-secret networks, and handle the IRS security if we have on-line voting?
And the voting ID issue CAN'T be discussed as being mandatory to vote right now because some people currently can't get a license without paying for it. Until the gov't does issue free ID to everyone, we can't do it. I've been saying that for months. We can discuss the merits of having ID to vote, but today, it's against the Constitution. Yes, the gov't *should* give out free ID, but they don't...
Make voting EASIER, not harder.
NOBODY (but you) is saying ANYTHING about ONLY voting on-line.
Quoting Hofstra...
Now it's time to move away from having to be in-person at all to opening up voting online.
Let me clarify because you seemed to have missed the SAME point I've been making OVER and OVER which is that we should be EXPANDING voting.
I did not say we should do away with in-person voting, I have said that we should be moving away from ONLY in-person voting. That shouldn't be the standard, end all and be all way to vote. It's archaic. It's complicates things for many Americans. We should EXPAND voting to include online voting ALONG with in-person voting AND absentee/mail in ballots.
What don't you understand????? Take a minute and LISTEN to what everyone is trying to say to you regarding this issue before you type back.
ETA - Stop taking snippets of what people say that are OUT OF CONTEXT in order to try and further your argument.
Thank you for clarifying as the way you said it sounded like you only wanted online. You can re-read and see what you said.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by windyweather21
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Posted by windyweather21
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Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
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Posted by RomeyT
Posted by Hofstra26
Let's be honest. If they issued government ID's for voting then some people would then b!tch that it's not good enough and they would rail on about ballots not being secure. And then if they did away with ballots some would b!tch about the voting booths, or the day, or the time or how they count the votes and on and on. Why? Because some people like to complain about literally everything, especially when their candidate loses, regardless if it's rooted in any fact whatsoever.
Furthermore, this wouldn't be a conversation if it weren't for the tantrum throwing, sore loser, previous president who brainwashed SO many into actually believing that our election system is riddled with rampant fraud and the election was stolen from him.
The election rhetoric is getting so old. Until someone, ANYONE, can furnish clear cut, indisputable evidence that there is so much rampant fraud in our election system that elections are being decided a completely different way because of it then there is really nothing to talk about. It's pointless drama.
Nope. I bitched about the absurdity of it when I lived in another state 10 years ago. It’s been on my radar for a while.
Our government has no problem spending trillions of dollars on absolute horse shit. I’m sure if it was made any kind of priority the money could miraculously be found. And why should we wait for rampant fraud to occur in an election before we mandate IDs?
It hasn't been on the radar of the vast majority of this country. MOST people go vote and then don't think about the election beyond that.
There has NEVER been rampant fraud in this country and some stupid little government ID won't protect against that even if some were hell bent on screwing the system. If someone REALLY wanted to mess with our election they would find a way and what career criminal couldn't make a fake ID if needed?
I think people are putting WAY too much stock in what an ID would do in terms of security. It's silly.
I think with this last election it has become something more on people’s radar. More people are getting involved in politics and paying more attention.
It could actually do much more for security as people on this board alone have commented how they could easily commit fraud when voting.
I’ve had this on my radar since I turned 18 and showed up with my ID to vote and they told me to just sign and I was terrified that my signature wouldn’t match and I’d be embarrassed in front of everyone in line.....end result....they didn’t even look at my shaky signature!
It’s harder to make multiple fake id’s compared to randomly signing for people or requesting ballots for people.
I mean, we’re all about correcting things that have been done certain ways since the beginning of time these days but we can’t correct this? We can’t be bothered by this because you don’t agree? We have different opinions and I think ID should be required. I’m not going to argue back and forth.
So let me get this straight. You are all for change when it's what YOU want, such as voter ID. But when the change involves measures to make voting easier for everyone, such as mail in ballots, then you're outraged and want things to stay the same. Ok cool, got it.
I never said I’m against mail in ballots???
I’m for it being done WHEN NEEDED. There is no reason a perfectly fine human being can’t walk themselves to a polling place. There are people who fit the criteria and that’s fine. But able bodied people shouldn’t be mailing on ballots. Personally, I wouldn’t trust my vote actually getting where it needs to get in time.
I am bothered, not outraged, by randomly mailing absentee ballots when the individual doesn’t request them. That makes zero sense. ETA that this also creates issues with more local elections that are too close to call. If you have everyone being mailed ballots and members in the household or family members completing them for people who have no intention of voting this adds up! Get out and vote!
It's the 21st century and with all of the technology we have available to us expecting people to only vote in person is simply archaic and outdated. There is no reason to continue the voting process as we did 40 years ago. Time to change with the times.
That’s your opinion, I have to disagree.
Changing with the times to me, means showing ID because technology has changed and we need to prevent fraud. And changing with times, every single citizen should have a photo ID. Figure it out America, for the millionth time INVEST IN OUR COUNTRY and issue photo ID.
I would think it’s opposite of racist....wouldn’t they now be able to do so many things that they apparently can’t do since they don’t have photo ID? Or is it that they most legal citizens already have a photo ID and this is just an excuse?
First, there is NO rampant fraud and has never been. Not in this past election. Not in any other election. That is just a fact. Are there minor irregularities or some degree of human error? Of course. But none of that has ever been shown to alter the outcome of an election especially to the degree to which Trump spent months trying to convince everyone of.
But that aside.
The point I am making is we need to change with the times. Who cares about a silly government issued ID card that likely half the population won't be able to keep track of since we vote so infrequently. We should be working towards updating our election process to include voting online, voting via text, etc. This whole concept of expecting anyone to show up in person with a paper ID card to vote is literally the most archaic thing in the world.
The entire country lives their lives online. We file taxes, pay bills, manage our money, apply for loans, handle medical bills, handle investments, apply for government benefits, benefits, sell houses, open accounts and on and on and on. How idiotic that we don't have the ability to vote online as well. In the 21st century with a generation of kids and adults who do next to nothing in-person it makes no sense to continue to push this outdated way of voting.
We use to have those voting booths when I was a kid and as those became outdated we moved to counting votes via other methods. For example, in my voting district on LI you bubbled in a paper ballot and it was scanned into a machine to be counted. Now it's time to move away from having to be in-person at all to opening up voting online. We should CONSTANTLY be in a state of improving the system and making it EASIER for everyone to have their voices heard.
To that end, we should also be doing away with the need to even register to vote in the first place. EVERY American citizen should automatically be able to vote upon turning 18. We shouldn't have to file paperwork to do so, streamline it. Make it automatic.
A flimsy little ID card that everyone is expected to carry around and keep with them so they can vote every 2-4 years is such an outdated, archaic concept that it will cause more problems than it solves. It's really not forward thinking at all IMO. We need to find ways to take advantage of all the technology that we have available to us in order to make voting more accessible to the masses. Standing on a long line at a polling booth (with a little ID card) is so 1980. Time to change.
I would assume an ID card would be for anything, not just voting like people have them now. I worked with a woman who didn’t have a drivers license and she had ID as she needed it for many things in life. I don’t understand how people can go through life without ID. I think some are making a big assumption that many don’t have ID when the number is probably much lower. What do adults do now who don’t have licenses?
You also do realize that not everyone has access to going online or don’t like it know how to. I just had this discussion with my mom about a friend of hers who doesn’t do any online banking and she waits until her statement comes in the mail and then goes to the bank to talk to them what her charges are. You have to live a very sheltered life if you think because of the things you have and know that everyone else should.
For the majority of people, there is no issue voting in person. Some I can see need absentee ballots but it sounds like you would rather go to online voting eventually because you would like that and not realize that many would not or can not.
Are you actually implying that the majority of the world doesn't deal with most everything online????? LOLOLOL I think it's you that lives a sheltered life. We live in a technology age, paper is dead. Needing to deal with anyone in person is often unnecessary. This isn't 1960 anymore, the world functions online nowadays.
That aside, nobody is saying to get rid of polling places. We should be EXPANDING the ways in which we can vote.
Everyone should have an opportunity to vote in the way that best fits their lifestyle whether that be in-person, an absentee ballot or online. The expectation that everyone MUST show up at a polling place to vote is absolute insanity when we live in a world where most everything we do can be taken care of without needing to "show up". Also, I don't think you realize just how difficult some counties make it to vote. When I vote in-person it's quick and painless. Many stand in line for hours and hours and then still don't get their votes counted. Did you see GoldenRod's post, that is just one small example of how bad it is for many to have to show up in-person to vote.
Furthermore, expecting anyone to carry around an ID that is used exclusively for voting purposes is ridiculous and will be used as yet another way to disenfranchise certain groups of people.
What is your issue with making voting easier or using the technology around us to our advantage? If anyone feels secure enough to bank online, pay taxes online, etc then they will no doubt be open to voting online. Just another option to make life easier.
The only sheltered person would be the one who assumes that because everything they do is online that the rest of the country is the same way. I just gave one example of many of people that don’t do things online. Another example is people who are trying to get vaccine appointments and can’t do it online too. Not everyone works online even though most things function that way now.
Once again I commented that people need an ID for more than just voting so what do they have now? Something they most likely carry around everyday so anyone who doesn’t would also need to use it on a regular basis.
Do you know anyone who doesn’t work online or not have an ID? Many of us live i n a bubble and don’t know what really goes on past our nice homes and cushy offices.
Do you listen before you type???????????????????
CLEARLY you do not understand what goes on past our "cushy lives". You know, like the people who are standing in line trying to vote for HOURS only to be shut out when they finally get into the polling booth. But yea, in-person voting with ID is the wave of the future. LOL
So again, for the people in the back who won't listen, we should be EXPANDING our voting system to include online voting IN ADDITION to in person and ballot voting so that EVERYONE has a means to vote in WHATEVER way that is most easy for them.
Good grief.
Once again I understand as I know past my “cushy” life if you want to call it that.
I agree it should be in addition. I was just quoting what you said.
You didn't quote me, you pulled a sentence from a paragraph with NO context.
You're talking in circles at this point. I can't even follow what point you're trying to make because you really don't make any sense at all. I don't think you even know what you mean to say.
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I love how mad some of you get. It is so entertaining!
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by Hofstra26
Let's be honest. If they issued government ID's for voting then some people would then b!tch that it's not good enough and they would rail on about ballots not being secure. And then if they did away with ballots some would b!tch about the voting booths, or the day, or the time or how they count the votes and on and on. Why? Because some people like to complain about literally everything, especially when their candidate loses, regardless if it's rooted in any fact whatsoever.
Furthermore, this wouldn't be a conversation if it weren't for the tantrum throwing, sore loser, previous president who brainwashed SO many into actually believing that our election system is riddled with rampant fraud and the election was stolen from him.
The election rhetoric is getting so old. Until someone, ANYONE, can furnish clear cut, indisputable evidence that there is so much rampant fraud in our election system that elections are being decided a completely different way because of it then there is really nothing to talk about. It's pointless drama.
Nope. I bitched about the absurdity of it when I lived in another state 10 years ago. It’s been on my radar for a while.
Our government has no problem spending trillions of dollars on absolute horse shit. I’m sure if it was made any kind of priority the money could miraculously be found. And why should we wait for rampant fraud to occur in an election before we mandate IDs?
It hasn't been on the radar of the vast majority of this country. MOST people go vote and then don't think about the election beyond that.
There has NEVER been rampant fraud in this country and some stupid little government ID won't protect against that even if some were hell bent on screwing the system. If someone REALLY wanted to mess with our election they would find a way and what career criminal couldn't make a fake ID if needed?
I think people are putting WAY too much stock in what an ID would do in terms of security. It's silly.
I think with this last election it has become something more on people’s radar. More people are getting involved in politics and paying more attention.
It could actually do much more for security as people on this board alone have commented how they could easily commit fraud when voting.
I’ve had this on my radar since I turned 18 and showed up with my ID to vote and they told me to just sign and I was terrified that my signature wouldn’t match and I’d be embarrassed in front of everyone in line.....end result....they didn’t even look at my shaky signature!
It’s harder to make multiple fake id’s compared to randomly signing for people or requesting ballots for people.
I mean, we’re all about correcting things that have been done certain ways since the beginning of time these days but we can’t correct this? We can’t be bothered by this because you don’t agree? We have different opinions and I think ID should be required. I’m not going to argue back and forth.
So let me get this straight. You are all for change when it's what YOU want, such as voter ID. But when the change involves measures to make voting easier for everyone, such as mail in ballots, then you're outraged and want things to stay the same. Ok cool, got it.
I never said I’m against mail in ballots???
I’m for it being done WHEN NEEDED. There is no reason a perfectly fine human being can’t walk themselves to a polling place. There are people who fit the criteria and that’s fine. But able bodied people shouldn’t be mailing on ballots. Personally, I wouldn’t trust my vote actually getting where it needs to get in time.
I am bothered, not outraged, by randomly mailing absentee ballots when the individual doesn’t request them. That makes zero sense. ETA that this also creates issues with more local elections that are too close to call. If you have everyone being mailed ballots and members in the household or family members completing them for people who have no intention of voting this adds up! Get out and vote!
It's the 21st century and with all of the technology we have available to us expecting people to only vote in person is simply archaic and outdated. There is no reason to continue the voting process as we did 40 years ago. Time to change with the times.
That’s your opinion, I have to disagree.
Changing with the times to me, means showing ID because technology has changed and we need to prevent fraud. And changing with times, every single citizen should have a photo ID. Figure it out America, for the millionth time INVEST IN OUR COUNTRY and issue photo ID.
I would think it’s opposite of racist....wouldn’t they now be able to do so many things that they apparently can’t do since they don’t have photo ID? Or is it that they most legal citizens already have a photo ID and this is just an excuse?
First, there is NO rampant fraud and has never been. Not in this past election. Not in any other election. That is just a fact. Are there minor irregularities or some degree of human error? Of course. But none of that has ever been shown to alter the outcome of an election especially to the degree to which Trump spent months trying to convince everyone of.
But that aside.
The point I am making is we need to change with the times. Who cares about a silly government issued ID card that likely half the population won't be able to keep track of since we vote so infrequently. We should be working towards updating our election process to include voting online, voting via text, etc. This whole concept of expecting anyone to show up in person with a paper ID card to vote is literally the most archaic thing in the world.
The entire country lives their lives online. We file taxes, pay bills, manage our money, apply for loans, handle medical bills, handle investments, apply for government benefits, benefits, sell houses, open accounts and on and on and on. How idiotic that we don't have the ability to vote online as well. In the 21st century with a generation of kids and adults who do next to nothing in-person it makes no sense to continue to push this outdated way of voting.
We use to have those voting booths when I was a kid and as those became outdated we moved to counting votes via other methods. For example, in my voting district on LI you bubbled in a paper ballot and it was scanned into a machine to be counted. Now it's time to move away from having to be in-person at all to opening up voting online. We should CONSTANTLY be in a state of improving the system and making it EASIER for everyone to have their voices heard.
To that end, we should also be doing away with the need to even register to vote in the first place. EVERY American citizen should automatically be able to vote upon turning 18. We shouldn't have to file paperwork to do so, streamline it. Make it automatic.
A flimsy little ID card that everyone is expected to carry around and keep with them so they can vote every 2-4 years is such an outdated, archaic concept that it will cause more problems than it solves. It's really not forward thinking at all IMO. We need to find ways to take advantage of all the technology that we have available to us in order to make voting more accessible to the masses. Standing on a long line at a polling booth (with a little ID card) is so 1980. Time to change.
Here you go with your quote is you needed to see where you said it.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by Hofstra26
Let's be honest. If they issued government ID's for voting then some people would then b!tch that it's not good enough and they would rail on about ballots not being secure. And then if they did away with ballots some would b!tch about the voting booths, or the day, or the time or how they count the votes and on and on. Why? Because some people like to complain about literally everything, especially when their candidate loses, regardless if it's rooted in any fact whatsoever.
Furthermore, this wouldn't be a conversation if it weren't for the tantrum throwing, sore loser, previous president who brainwashed SO many into actually believing that our election system is riddled with rampant fraud and the election was stolen from him.
The election rhetoric is getting so old. Until someone, ANYONE, can furnish clear cut, indisputable evidence that there is so much rampant fraud in our election system that elections are being decided a completely different way because of it then there is really nothing to talk about. It's pointless drama.
Nope. I bitched about the absurdity of it when I lived in another state 10 years ago. It’s been on my radar for a while.
Our government has no problem spending trillions of dollars on absolute horse shit. I’m sure if it was made any kind of priority the money could miraculously be found. And why should we wait for rampant fraud to occur in an election before we mandate IDs?
It hasn't been on the radar of the vast majority of this country. MOST people go vote and then don't think about the election beyond that.
There has NEVER been rampant fraud in this country and some stupid little government ID won't protect against that even if some were hell bent on screwing the system. If someone REALLY wanted to mess with our election they would find a way and what career criminal couldn't make a fake ID if needed?
I think people are putting WAY too much stock in what an ID would do in terms of security. It's silly.
I think with this last election it has become something more on people’s radar. More people are getting involved in politics and paying more attention.
It could actually do much more for security as people on this board alone have commented how they could easily commit fraud when voting.
I’ve had this on my radar since I turned 18 and showed up with my ID to vote and they told me to just sign and I was terrified that my signature wouldn’t match and I’d be embarrassed in front of everyone in line.....end result....they didn’t even look at my shaky signature!
It’s harder to make multiple fake id’s compared to randomly signing for people or requesting ballots for people.
I mean, we’re all about correcting things that have been done certain ways since the beginning of time these days but we can’t correct this? We can’t be bothered by this because you don’t agree? We have different opinions and I think ID should be required. I’m not going to argue back and forth.
So let me get this straight. You are all for change when it's what YOU want, such as voter ID. But when the change involves measures to make voting easier for everyone, such as mail in ballots, then you're outraged and want things to stay the same. Ok cool, got it.
I never said I’m against mail in ballots???
I’m for it being done WHEN NEEDED. There is no reason a perfectly fine human being can’t walk themselves to a polling place. There are people who fit the criteria and that’s fine. But able bodied people shouldn’t be mailing on ballots. Personally, I wouldn’t trust my vote actually getting where it needs to get in time.
I am bothered, not outraged, by randomly mailing absentee ballots when the individual doesn’t request them. That makes zero sense. ETA that this also creates issues with more local elections that are too close to call. If you have everyone being mailed ballots and members in the household or family members completing them for people who have no intention of voting this adds up! Get out and vote!
It's the 21st century and with all of the technology we have available to us expecting people to only vote in person is simply archaic and outdated. There is no reason to continue the voting process as we did 40 years ago. Time to change with the times.
That’s your opinion, I have to disagree.
Changing with the times to me, means showing ID because technology has changed and we need to prevent fraud. And changing with times, every single citizen should have a photo ID. Figure it out America, for the millionth time INVEST IN OUR COUNTRY and issue photo ID.
I would think it’s opposite of racist....wouldn’t they now be able to do so many things that they apparently can’t do since they don’t have photo ID? Or is it that they most legal citizens already have a photo ID and this is just an excuse?
First, there is NO rampant fraud and has never been. Not in this past election. Not in any other election. That is just a fact. Are there minor irregularities or some degree of human error? Of course. But none of that has ever been shown to alter the outcome of an election especially to the degree to which Trump spent months trying to convince everyone of.
But that aside.
The point I am making is we need to change with the times. Who cares about a silly government issued ID card that likely half the population won't be able to keep track of since we vote so infrequently. We should be working towards updating our election process to include voting online, voting via text, etc. This whole concept of expecting anyone to show up in person with a paper ID card to vote is literally the most archaic thing in the world.
The entire country lives their lives online. We file taxes, pay bills, manage our money, apply for loans, handle medical bills, handle investments, apply for government benefits, benefits, sell houses, open accounts and on and on and on. How idiotic that we don't have the ability to vote online as well. In the 21st century with a generation of kids and adults who do next to nothing in-person it makes no sense to continue to push this outdated way of voting.
We use to have those voting booths when I was a kid and as those became outdated we moved to counting votes via other methods. For example, in my voting district on LI you bubbled in a paper ballot and it was scanned into a machine to be counted. Now it's time to move away from having to be in-person at all to opening up voting online. We should CONSTANTLY be in a state of improving the system and making it EASIER for everyone to have their voices heard.
To that end, we should also be doing away with the need to even register to vote in the first place. EVERY American citizen should automatically be able to vote upon turning 18. We shouldn't have to file paperwork to do so, streamline it. Make it automatic.
A flimsy little ID card that everyone is expected to carry around and keep with them so they can vote every 2-4 years is such an outdated, archaic concept that it will cause more problems than it solves. It's really not forward thinking at all IMO. We need to find ways to take advantage of all the technology that we have available to us in order to make voting more accessible to the masses. Standing on a long line at a polling booth (with a little ID card) is so 1980. Time to change.
Here you go with your quote is you needed to see where you said it.
Good job. And now you can read above and see where I said that we should expand voting to make it easier for everyone to vote.
And if it wasn't clear enough, you can feel free to go back and read all of my posts on this thread where I said the same.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by Hofstra26
Let's be honest. If they issued government ID's for voting then some people would then b!tch that it's not good enough and they would rail on about ballots not being secure. And then if they did away with ballots some would b!tch about the voting booths, or the day, or the time or how they count the votes and on and on. Why? Because some people like to complain about literally everything, especially when their candidate loses, regardless if it's rooted in any fact whatsoever.
Furthermore, this wouldn't be a conversation if it weren't for the tantrum throwing, sore loser, previous president who brainwashed SO many into actually believing that our election system is riddled with rampant fraud and the election was stolen from him.
The election rhetoric is getting so old. Until someone, ANYONE, can furnish clear cut, indisputable evidence that there is so much rampant fraud in our election system that elections are being decided a completely different way because of it then there is really nothing to talk about. It's pointless drama.
Nope. I bitched about the absurdity of it when I lived in another state 10 years ago. It’s been on my radar for a while.
Our government has no problem spending trillions of dollars on absolute horse shit. I’m sure if it was made any kind of priority the money could miraculously be found. And why should we wait for rampant fraud to occur in an election before we mandate IDs?
It hasn't been on the radar of the vast majority of this country. MOST people go vote and then don't think about the election beyond that.
There has NEVER been rampant fraud in this country and some stupid little government ID won't protect against that even if some were hell bent on screwing the system. If someone REALLY wanted to mess with our election they would find a way and what career criminal couldn't make a fake ID if needed?
I think people are putting WAY too much stock in what an ID would do in terms of security. It's silly.
I think with this last election it has become something more on people’s radar. More people are getting involved in politics and paying more attention.
It could actually do much more for security as people on this board alone have commented how they could easily commit fraud when voting.
I’ve had this on my radar since I turned 18 and showed up with my ID to vote and they told me to just sign and I was terrified that my signature wouldn’t match and I’d be embarrassed in front of everyone in line.....end result....they didn’t even look at my shaky signature!
It’s harder to make multiple fake id’s compared to randomly signing for people or requesting ballots for people.
I mean, we’re all about correcting things that have been done certain ways since the beginning of time these days but we can’t correct this? We can’t be bothered by this because you don’t agree? We have different opinions and I think ID should be required. I’m not going to argue back and forth.
So let me get this straight. You are all for change when it's what YOU want, such as voter ID. But when the change involves measures to make voting easier for everyone, such as mail in ballots, then you're outraged and want things to stay the same. Ok cool, got it.
I never said I’m against mail in ballots???
I’m for it being done WHEN NEEDED. There is no reason a perfectly fine human being can’t walk themselves to a polling place. There are people who fit the criteria and that’s fine. But able bodied people shouldn’t be mailing on ballots. Personally, I wouldn’t trust my vote actually getting where it needs to get in time.
I am bothered, not outraged, by randomly mailing absentee ballots when the individual doesn’t request them. That makes zero sense. ETA that this also creates issues with more local elections that are too close to call. If you have everyone being mailed ballots and members in the household or family members completing them for people who have no intention of voting this adds up! Get out and vote!
It's the 21st century and with all of the technology we have available to us expecting people to only vote in person is simply archaic and outdated. There is no reason to continue the voting process as we did 40 years ago. Time to change with the times.
That’s your opinion, I have to disagree.
Changing with the times to me, means showing ID because technology has changed and we need to prevent fraud. And changing with times, every single citizen should have a photo ID. Figure it out America, for the millionth time INVEST IN OUR COUNTRY and issue photo ID.
I would think it’s opposite of racist....wouldn’t they now be able to do so many things that they apparently can’t do since they don’t have photo ID? Or is it that they most legal citizens already have a photo ID and this is just an excuse?
First, there is NO rampant fraud and has never been. Not in this past election. Not in any other election. That is just a fact. Are there minor irregularities or some degree of human error? Of course. But none of that has ever been shown to alter the outcome of an election especially to the degree to which Trump spent months trying to convince everyone of.
But that aside.
The point I am making is we need to change with the times. Who cares about a silly government issued ID card that likely half the population won't be able to keep track of since we vote so infrequently. We should be working towards updating our election process to include voting online, voting via text, etc. This whole concept of expecting anyone to show up in person with a paper ID card to vote is literally the most archaic thing in the world.
The entire country lives their lives online. We file taxes, pay bills, manage our money, apply for loans, handle medical bills, handle investments, apply for government benefits, benefits, sell houses, open accounts and on and on and on. How idiotic that we don't have the ability to vote online as well. In the 21st century with a generation of kids and adults who do next to nothing in-person it makes no sense to continue to push this outdated way of voting.
We use to have those voting booths when I was a kid and as those became outdated we moved to counting votes via other methods. For example, in my voting district on LI you bubbled in a paper ballot and it was scanned into a machine to be counted. Now it's time to move away from having to be in-person at all to opening up voting online. We should CONSTANTLY be in a state of improving the system and making it EASIER for everyone to have their voices heard.
To that end, we should also be doing away with the need to even register to vote in the first place. EVERY American citizen should automatically be able to vote upon turning 18. We shouldn't have to file paperwork to do so, streamline it. Make it automatic.
A flimsy little ID card that everyone is expected to carry around and keep with them so they can vote every 2-4 years is such an outdated, archaic concept that it will cause more problems than it solves. It's really not forward thinking at all IMO. We need to find ways to take advantage of all the technology that we have available to us in order to make voting more accessible to the masses. Standing on a long line at a polling booth (with a little ID card) is so 1980. Time to change.
Here you go with your quote is you needed to see where you said it.
Good job. And now you can read above and see where I said that we should expand voting to make it easier for everyone to vote.
And if it wasn't clear enough, you can feel free to go back and read all of my posts on this thread where I said the same.
This whole concept of expecting anyone to show up in person with a paper ID card to vote is literally the most archaic thing in the world.
But a paper absentee ballot is ok?
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Hofstra26
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by Hofstra26
Let's be honest. If they issued government ID's for voting then some people would then b!tch that it's not good enough and they would rail on about ballots not being secure. And then if they did away with ballots some would b!tch about the voting booths, or the day, or the time or how they count the votes and on and on. Why? Because some people like to complain about literally everything, especially when their candidate loses, regardless if it's rooted in any fact whatsoever.
Furthermore, this wouldn't be a conversation if it weren't for the tantrum throwing, sore loser, previous president who brainwashed SO many into actually believing that our election system is riddled with rampant fraud and the election was stolen from him.
The election rhetoric is getting so old. Until someone, ANYONE, can furnish clear cut, indisputable evidence that there is so much rampant fraud in our election system that elections are being decided a completely different way because of it then there is really nothing to talk about. It's pointless drama.
Nope. I bitched about the absurdity of it when I lived in another state 10 years ago. It’s been on my radar for a while.
Our government has no problem spending trillions of dollars on absolute horse shit. I’m sure if it was made any kind of priority the money could miraculously be found. And why should we wait for rampant fraud to occur in an election before we mandate IDs?
It hasn't been on the radar of the vast majority of this country. MOST people go vote and then don't think about the election beyond that.
There has NEVER been rampant fraud in this country and some stupid little government ID won't protect against that even if some were hell bent on screwing the system. If someone REALLY wanted to mess with our election they would find a way and what career criminal couldn't make a fake ID if needed?
I think people are putting WAY too much stock in what an ID would do in terms of security. It's silly.
I think with this last election it has become something more on people’s radar. More people are getting involved in politics and paying more attention.
It could actually do much more for security as people on this board alone have commented how they could easily commit fraud when voting.
I’ve had this on my radar since I turned 18 and showed up with my ID to vote and they told me to just sign and I was terrified that my signature wouldn’t match and I’d be embarrassed in front of everyone in line.....end result....they didn’t even look at my shaky signature!
It’s harder to make multiple fake id’s compared to randomly signing for people or requesting ballots for people.
I mean, we’re all about correcting things that have been done certain ways since the beginning of time these days but we can’t correct this? We can’t be bothered by this because you don’t agree? We have different opinions and I think ID should be required. I’m not going to argue back and forth.
So let me get this straight. You are all for change when it's what YOU want, such as voter ID. But when the change involves measures to make voting easier for everyone, such as mail in ballots, then you're outraged and want things to stay the same. Ok cool, got it.
I never said I’m against mail in ballots???
I’m for it being done WHEN NEEDED. There is no reason a perfectly fine human being can’t walk themselves to a polling place. There are people who fit the criteria and that’s fine. But able bodied people shouldn’t be mailing on ballots. Personally, I wouldn’t trust my vote actually getting where it needs to get in time.
I am bothered, not outraged, by randomly mailing absentee ballots when the individual doesn’t request them. That makes zero sense. ETA that this also creates issues with more local elections that are too close to call. If you have everyone being mailed ballots and members in the household or family members completing them for people who have no intention of voting this adds up! Get out and vote!
It's the 21st century and with all of the technology we have available to us expecting people to only vote in person is simply archaic and outdated. There is no reason to continue the voting process as we did 40 years ago. Time to change with the times.
That’s your opinion, I have to disagree.
Changing with the times to me, means showing ID because technology has changed and we need to prevent fraud. And changing with times, every single citizen should have a photo ID. Figure it out America, for the millionth time INVEST IN OUR COUNTRY and issue photo ID.
I would think it’s opposite of racist....wouldn’t they now be able to do so many things that they apparently can’t do since they don’t have photo ID? Or is it that they most legal citizens already have a photo ID and this is just an excuse?
First, there is NO rampant fraud and has never been. Not in this past election. Not in any other election. That is just a fact. Are there minor irregularities or some degree of human error? Of course. But none of that has ever been shown to alter the outcome of an election especially to the degree to which Trump spent months trying to convince everyone of.
But that aside.
The point I am making is we need to change with the times. Who cares about a silly government issued ID card that likely half the population won't be able to keep track of since we vote so infrequently. We should be working towards updating our election process to include voting online, voting via text, etc. This whole concept of expecting anyone to show up in person with a paper ID card to vote is literally the most archaic thing in the world.
The entire country lives their lives online. We file taxes, pay bills, manage our money, apply for loans, handle medical bills, handle investments, apply for government benefits, benefits, sell houses, open accounts and on and on and on. How idiotic that we don't have the ability to vote online as well. In the 21st century with a generation of kids and adults who do next to nothing in-person it makes no sense to continue to push this outdated way of voting.
We use to have those voting booths when I was a kid and as those became outdated we moved to counting votes via other methods. For example, in my voting district on LI you bubbled in a paper ballot and it was scanned into a machine to be counted. Now it's time to move away from having to be in-person at all to opening up voting online. We should CONSTANTLY be in a state of improving the system and making it EASIER for everyone to have their voices heard.
To that end, we should also be doing away with the need to even register to vote in the first place. EVERY American citizen should automatically be able to vote upon turning 18. We shouldn't have to file paperwork to do so, streamline it. Make it automatic.
A flimsy little ID card that everyone is expected to carry around and keep with them so they can vote every 2-4 years is such an outdated, archaic concept that it will cause more problems than it solves. It's really not forward thinking at all IMO. We need to find ways to take advantage of all the technology that we have available to us in order to make voting more accessible to the masses. Standing on a long line at a polling booth (with a little ID card) is so 1980. Time to change.
Here you go with your quote is you needed to see where you said it.
Good job. And now you can read above and see where I said that we should expand voting to make it easier for everyone to vote.
And if it wasn't clear enough, you can feel free to go back and read all of my posts on this thread where I said the same.
This whole concept of expecting anyone to show up in person with a paper ID card to vote is literally the most archaic thing in the world.
But a paper absentee ballot is ok?
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Yes, it is. Options. People should have options.
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