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jamnmore
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Re: Free college? Cuomo budget passes
Posted by ap123
There is no reason one person should get handed a loan-free education and another have to take out loans because their parents make more. Why is there an assumption that parents are going to foot the bill for college?
I'm all for scholarships and grants...merit based rewards.
But doesn't financial aid now take into account parents income. 30 years ago when I was graduating HS and applying for financial aid I did not qualify for any aid because of my mother's income yet she had no intention of providing any money for me to attend college.
This is a plan that I have mixed feelings on. Already I see so many "kids" that are permanent students. I think that this will encourage more kids to apply to college and go when they had no intention of going in the first place. Not because they don't have to pay but because it means that they won't have to go out and get a job after school. Maintaining a certain GPA should absolutely be mandated, just as it is now for certain financial aid. But alternatives to college, like vocational school, should also be offered to students. No student who wants an education but does not want to go to college should be left out of being able to get that. So the child that wants to go to welding school or HVAC school should be able to get the same tuition assistance as the child who wants to go to college. We need to bring more of a focus back to trade education and not just college education.
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Free college? Cuomo budget passes
This is such BS!
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alli3131
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Re: Free college? Cuomo budget passes
Posted by jamnmore
Posted by ap123
There is no reason one person should get handed a loan-free education and another have to take out loans because their parents make more. Why is there an assumption that parents are going to foot the bill for college?
I'm all for scholarships and grants...merit based rewards.
But doesn't financial aid now take into account parents income. 30 years ago when I was graduating HS and applying for financial aid I did not qualify for any aid because of my mother's income yet she had no intention of providing any money for me to attend college.
This is a plan that I have mixed feelings on. Already I see so many "kids" that are permanent students. I think that this will encourage more kids to apply to college and go when they had no intention of going in the first place. Not because they don't have to pay but because it means that they won't have to go out and get a job after school. Maintaining a certain GPA should absolutely be mandated, just as it is now for certain financial aid. But alternatives to college, like vocational school, should also be offered to students. No student who wants an education but does not want to go to college should be left out of being able to get that. So the child that wants to go to welding school or HVAC school should be able to get the same tuition assistance as the child who wants to go to college. We need to bring more of a focus back to trade education and not just college education.
Financial aid and loans are 2 different things.
Aid will take income into account. ANYONE can get loans. You can take loan for tuition and room and board even if you make million dollars a year.
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jamnmore
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Re: Free college? Cuomo budget passes
Posted by alli3131
Posted by jamnmore
Posted by ap123
There is no reason one person should get handed a loan-free education and another have to take out loans because their parents make more. Why is there an assumption that parents are going to foot the bill for college?
I'm all for scholarships and grants...merit based rewards.
But doesn't financial aid now take into account parents income. 30 years ago when I was graduating HS and applying for financial aid I did not qualify for any aid because of my mother's income yet she had no intention of providing any money for me to attend college.
This is a plan that I have mixed feelings on. Already I see so many "kids" that are permanent students. I think that this will encourage more kids to apply to college and go when they had no intention of going in the first place. Not because they don't have to pay but because it means that they won't have to go out and get a job after school. Maintaining a certain GPA should absolutely be mandated, just as it is now for certain financial aid. But alternatives to college, like vocational school, should also be offered to students. No student who wants an education but does not want to go to college should be left out of being able to get that. So the child that wants to go to welding school or HVAC school should be able to get the same tuition assistance as the child who wants to go to college. We need to bring more of a focus back to trade education and not just college education.
Financial aid and loans are 2 different things.
Aid will take income into account. ANYONE can get loans. You can take loan for tuition and room and board even if you make million dollars a year.
Yes they are different. But financial aid takes into consideration parental income even if the parents are not contributing to the education. So a student with high income parents will qualify for less financial aid than the student of low income parents. And there is no compensation for if the parent has any intention of providing support. Like I said before my mother's income was too high and I received $25/semester from TAP for college. That was all I qualified for from financial aid. So when people ask why should free tuition be based on the parents income it is the way the system is designed now in terms of financial aid.
A college education is expected to be paid for by parents. Not all parents are willing (or able) to contribute to that.
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MrsMick
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Free college? Cuomo budget passes
Cannot wait to see how much my taxes are gonna go up!
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BargainMama
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Free college? Cuomo budget passes
...I also just read that the student must maintain a certain GPA, and live in NYS for the term that they went to school and received free tuition for. So if they went for 4 years free, they must live in NY for 4 years after graduation. If they move out of state, the money is then deemed a loan, and they have to pay it back.
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Re: Free college? Cuomo budget passes
Posted by BargainMama
...I also just read that the student must maintain a certain GPA, and live in NYS for the term that they went to school and received free tuition for. So if they went for 4 years free, they must live in NY for 4 years after graduation. If they move out of state, the money is then deemed a loan, and they have to pay it back.
Interesting i think thats fair
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alli3131
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Free college? Cuomo budget passes
80% will qualify.
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Hofstra26
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Re: Free college? Cuomo budget passes
Posted by stinger
Posted by BargainMama
...I also just read that the student must maintain a certain GPA, and live in NYS for the term that they went to school and received free tuition for. So if they went for 4 years free, they must live in NY for 4 years after graduation. If they move out of state, the money is then deemed a loan, and they have to pay it back.
Interesting i think thats fair
I actually think this is silly. You should HAVE to be a NYS resident for "X" amount of time PRIOR to attending college but to then FORCE someone to stay in the state AFTER college is idiotic. That will hinder SO many college grads who, depending on their profession and degree, might HAVE to seek employment out of state after they graduate. To say that a new grad can't follow the best career opportunity for them because they'll then owe the tuition back really isn't fair to them.
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Blazesyth
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Re: Free college? Cuomo budget passes
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by stinger
Posted by BargainMama
...I also just read that the student must maintain a certain GPA, and live in NYS for the term that they went to school and received free tuition for. So if they went for 4 years free, they must live in NY for 4 years after graduation. If they move out of state, the money is then deemed a loan, and they have to pay it back.
Interesting i think thats fair
I actually think this is silly. You should HAVE to be a NYS resident for "X" amount of time PRIOR to attending college but to then FORCE someone to stay in the state AFTER college is idiotic. That will hinder SO many college grads who, depending on their profession and degree, might HAVE to seek employment out of state after they graduate. To say that a new grad can't follow the best career opportunity for them because they'll then owe the tuition back really isn't fair to them.
There isn't a lot of fairness in it overall. They dont have to take advantage of this benefit if they dont want to stay in NY. The students should have to 'serve' NY with their degree since we paid for their education. Otherwise we are paying to further people's education then they take the knowledge and run away.
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Hofstra26
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Re: Free college? Cuomo budget passes
Posted by Blazesyth
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by stinger
Posted by BargainMama
...I also just read that the student must maintain a certain GPA, and live in NYS for the term that they went to school and received free tuition for. So if they went for 4 years free, they must live in NY for 4 years after graduation. If they move out of state, the money is then deemed a loan, and they have to pay it back.
Interesting i think thats fair
I actually think this is silly. You should HAVE to be a NYS resident for "X" amount of time PRIOR to attending college but to then FORCE someone to stay in the state AFTER college is idiotic. That will hinder SO many college grads who, depending on their profession and degree, might HAVE to seek employment out of state after they graduate. To say that a new grad can't follow the best career opportunity for them because they'll then owe the tuition back really isn't fair to them.
There isn't a lot of fairness in it overall. They dont have to take advantage of this benefit if they dont want to stay in NY. The students should have to 'serve' NY with their degree since we paid for their education. Otherwise we are paying to further people's education then they take the knowledge and run away.
If you've been a NYS resident for years and years (or your whole life even) and then you get a tuition free degree and leave to pursue opportunities elsewhere, so be it. Isn't the whole point of this to help educate and better an individual's future??? If so, then giving these kids a degree on a string is utterly ridiculous, they shouldn't be indebted to the state after graduation. Doing that hinders their future, not every career path lends itself to staying in NY. Stupid rule IMO.
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PitterPatter11
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Re: Free college? Cuomo budget passes
Posted by alli3131
80% will qualify.
I saw this as well. That's amazing even if my DS doesn't qualify. I teach in a title 1 school and know a large percentage of my students will benefit from this.
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NervousNell
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Re: Free college? Cuomo budget passes
Why am I seeing things that say the income cap is $100k not $125 k? Is it definitely $125k?
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Hofstra26
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Re: Free college? Cuomo budget passes
Posted by NervousNell
Why am I seeing things that say the income cap is $100k not $125 k? Is it definitely $125k?
I thought I read something that said by 2019'ish the income cap will be raised to $125K.
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GoldenRod
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Re: Free college? Cuomo budget passes
Posted by NervousNell
Why am I seeing things that say the income cap is $100k not $125 k? Is it definitely $125k?
https://www.ny.gov/programs/tuition-free-degree-program-excelsior-scholarship
The first-in-the-nation plan will be phased in over three years, beginning for New Yorkers making up to $100,000 annually in the fall of 2017, increasing to $110,000 in 2018, and reaching $125,000 in 2019.
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GoldenRod
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Re: Free college? Cuomo budget passes
Posted by alli3131
80% will qualify.
NY Average, but not for LI....
https://www.ny.gov/tuition-free-degree-program-excelsior-scholarship/regional-breakdown
Regional Breakdown
Region Number of Families with College-Age Students Percentage Eligible
Western New York
68,712
78.8%
New York City
461,499
84.3%
Long Island
112,890
55.6%
Hudson Valley
92,333
63%
Capital Region
44,108
74.9%
Mohawk Valley
24,845
84.8%
Finger Lakes
55,747
79.2%
North Country
18,542
84.8%
Central New York
37,922
79.6%
Southern Tier
25,588
81.2%
Statewide Total: 942,186 75.7%
The formatting isn't great when I copied and pasted, but for LI, the percentage eligible is 55.6%
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Posted by KarenK122
While I am behind free state college for ALL, as I have stated before, I really wish he would put more effort into the lower grade academics. He holds state aid as ransom from school districts to conform to what he wants, the diploma dilemma for special needs children is a major issue and vocational training should be brought to the forefront as a viable option. He is just putting up a smoke screen making something look like its great but the rest is crumbling. He constantly puts the needs of upper NY in front of the needs of LI. I wholeheartedly wish we were a separate state.
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Blazesyth
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Re: Free college? Cuomo budget passes
Posted by Hofstra26
If you've been a NYS resident for years and years (or your whole life even) and then you get a tuition free degree and leave to pursue opportunities elsewhere, so be it. Isn't the whole point of this to help educate and better an individual's future??? If so, then giving these kids a degree on a string is utterly ridiculous, they shouldn't be indebted to the state after graduation. Doing that hinders their future, not every career path lends itself to staying in NY. Stupid rule IMO.
I'd think the majority of people taking advantage of this will be 18 year olds. So, while yes they have been NY residents for years and years, they aren't contributing to society or taxes, etc.
What degree that is given by a SUNY school doesn't lend itself to spending the first 4 years of your career in NY? Between upstate and downstate NY is diverse enough where someone could spend the first 4 years of their career in NYS.
I think its fair. If you do decide to leave, your 'free' education is converted to loans. And once again, no one is forcing anyone to take advantage of this program. If you dont like the requirements, then don't take the money.
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alli3131
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Re: Free college? Cuomo budget passes
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by alli3131
80% will qualify.
NY Average, but not for LI....
https://www.ny.gov/tuition-free-degree-program-excelsior-scholarship/regional-breakdown
Regional Breakdown
Region Number of Families with College-Age Students Percentage Eligible
Western New York
68,712
78.8%
New York City
461,499
84.3%
Long Island
112,890
55.6%
Hudson Valley
92,333
63%
Capital Region
44,108
74.9%
Mohawk Valley
24,845
84.8%
Finger Lakes
55,747
79.2%
North Country
18,542
84.8%
Central New York
37,922
79.6%
Southern Tier
25,588
81.2%
Statewide Total: 942,186 75.7%
The formatting isn't great when I copied and pasted, but for LI, the percentage eligible is 55.6%
And I think that over half of LI'ers is still a great number. While my son will not qualify I still 100% support the program and think its an amazing thing. I have zero problem paying for my son's education or him having to take loans while others are able to take advantage of the program.
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Mill188
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Re: Free college? Cuomo budget passes
I can't wait until DH can retire and we move out of this state!
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Hofstra26
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Re: Free college? Cuomo budget passes
Posted by Blazesyth
Posted by Hofstra26
If you've been a NYS resident for years and years (or your whole life even) and then you get a tuition free degree and leave to pursue opportunities elsewhere, so be it. Isn't the whole point of this to help educate and better an individual's future??? If so, then giving these kids a degree on a string is utterly ridiculous, they shouldn't be indebted to the state after graduation. Doing that hinders their future, not every career path lends itself to staying in NY. Stupid rule IMO.
I'd think the majority of people taking advantage of this will be 18 year olds. So, while yes they have been NY residents for years and years, they aren't contributing to society or taxes, etc.
What degree that is given by a SUNY school doesn't lend itself to spending the first 4 years of your career in NY? Between upstate and downstate NY is diverse enough where someone could spend the first 4 years of their career in NYS.
I think its fair. If you do decide to leave, your 'free' education is converted to loans. And once again, no one is forcing anyone to take advantage of this program. If you dont like the requirements, then don't take the money.
They haven't been contributing to the state however, their parents have.
As for jobs, I'll give you an example based on my own life.
My DH is an electrical engineer. NY, LI especially, isn't a hot bed of technology and engineering jobs. When we graduated college, he took his first engineering job in FL because the pay was great, the cost of living was low, and the opportunity was better. (We also considered MA, RI, and CT) Currently, we're looking to move off the island again, this time to MA because there is SO much more technology and better opportunities there. So IMO, to force someone to stay in NY to work and making them forgo other (potentially better) career opportunities isn't fair. A new grad should be free to explore whatever opportunity is best for them whether that is here in NY or elsewhere.
Also, to that end, LI and NYC are EXTREMELY expensive places to live and most 22 year old new grads would do better NOT staying in the area after college. Certain careers, like engineering, pay VERY well out of school but many careers do not. Good luck living on LI making $25-30K/yr. It's not easy.
Again, why hinder them for 4 years?? I think there should be residency requirements leading into attending but after that, I don't think they should be held to remaining in the state. JMO.
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Re: Free college? Cuomo budget passes
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Blazesyth
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by stinger
Posted by BargainMama
...I also just read that the student must maintain a certain GPA, and live in NYS for the term that they went to school and received free tuition for. So if they went for 4 years free, they must live in NY for 4 years after graduation. If they move out of state, the money is then deemed a loan, and they have to pay it back.
Interesting i think thats fair
I actually think this is silly. You should HAVE to be a NYS resident for "X" amount of time PRIOR to attending college but to then FORCE someone to stay in the state AFTER college is idiotic. That will hinder SO many college grads who, depending on their profession and degree, might HAVE to seek employment out of state after they graduate. To say that a new grad can't follow the best career opportunity for them because they'll then owe the tuition back really isn't fair to them.
There isn't a lot of fairness in it overall. They dont have to take advantage of this benefit if they dont want to stay in NY. The students should have to 'serve' NY with their degree since we paid for their education. Otherwise we are paying to further people's education then they take the knowledge and run away.
If you've been a NYS resident for years and years (or your whole life even) and then you get a tuition free degree and leave to pursue opportunities elsewhere, so be it. Isn't the whole point of this to help educate and better an individual's future??? If so, then giving these kids a degree on a string is utterly ridiculous, they shouldn't be indebted to the state after graduation. Doing that hinders their future, not every career path lends itself to staying in NY. Stupid rule IMO.
It's a two-fold benefit. Yes, to the individual who will get a college education, but also to the State - to have a better educated population, which is a benefit in an of itself, but also to create a a larger population that will contribute to the taxes to the State. It's like many employers who offer tuition reimbursement - if you take advantage of that benefit, many companies require that you stay with the employer for a certain amount of time, or else the employee is required to pay back a portion of the tuition. The State, just like the employer, wants t reap the benefits of having paid for the resident's/employee's tuition.
And SUNY requires 1 year of NY residency to qualify for the in state tuition rate, so anyone who qualifies for the free tuition would have to also meet the pre-college residency requirement
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Mill188
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Re: Free college? Cuomo budget passes
I am completely against this entire plan but if we have to have it, I fully support a "pay back" period. If you went to a military academy - you would owe the armed services at least 4 years of service.
You want a free education, you have to sacrifice something.
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Blazesyth
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Re: Free college? Cuomo budget passes
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Blazesyth
Posted by Hofstra26
If you've been a NYS resident for years and years (or your whole life even) and then you get a tuition free degree and leave to pursue opportunities elsewhere, so be it. Isn't the whole point of this to help educate and better an individual's future??? If so, then giving these kids a degree on a string is utterly ridiculous, they shouldn't be indebted to the state after graduation. Doing that hinders their future, not every career path lends itself to staying in NY. Stupid rule IMO.
I'd think the majority of people taking advantage of this will be 18 year olds. So, while yes they have been NY residents for years and years, they aren't contributing to society or taxes, etc.
What degree that is given by a SUNY school doesn't lend itself to spending the first 4 years of your career in NY? Between upstate and downstate NY is diverse enough where someone could spend the first 4 years of their career in NYS.
I think its fair. If you do decide to leave, your 'free' education is converted to loans. And once again, no one is forcing anyone to take advantage of this program. If you dont like the requirements, then don't take the money.
They haven't been contributing to the state however, their parents have.
As for jobs, I'll give you an example based on my own life.
My DH is an electrical engineer. NY, LI especially, isn't a hot bed of technology and engineering jobs. When we graduated college, he took his first engineering job in FL because the pay was great, the cost of living was low, and the opportunity was better. (We also considered MA, RI, and CT) Currently, we're looking to move off the island again, this time to MA because there is SO much more technology and better opportunities there. So IMO, to force someone to stay in NY to work and making them forgo other (potentially better) career opportunities isn't fair. A new grad should be free to explore whatever opportunity is best for them whether that is here in NY or elsewhere.
Also, to that end, LI and NYC are EXTREMELY expensive places to live and most 22 year old new grads would do better NOT staying in the area after college. Certain careers, like engineering, pay VERY well out of school but many careers do not. Good luck living on LI making $25-30K/yr. It's not easy.
Again, why hinder them for 4 years?? I think there should be residency requirements leading into attending but after that, I don't think they should be held to remaining in the state. JMO.
I dont think you're hindering graduates by saying they have to pay back their loan - not with cash but with service and paying towards local society and what it takes to live here. It's all about trade-offs. If you decide to take advantage of the program, then yes you have to stay here for X amount of time. It may not be the same position as the one you can have in Florida and yes cost of living is higher. (But these days don't most people under 30 stay home and live with their parents anyway??)
I'm also in technology and engineering. You are right, Long Island is not a 'hotbed' of technology jobs. It's not Silicon Valley or Colorado. There are many technology jobs in Manhattan. So those graduates may have to get a job in Manhattan and not Stony Brook.
At my place of employment on LI we are constantly looking for technology employees and there are not enough people to fill the positions.
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Hofstra26
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Re: Free college? Cuomo budget passes
Posted by Blazesyth
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Blazesyth
Posted by Hofstra26
If you've been a NYS resident for years and years (or your whole life even) and then you get a tuition free degree and leave to pursue opportunities elsewhere, so be it. Isn't the whole point of this to help educate and better an individual's future??? If so, then giving these kids a degree on a string is utterly ridiculous, they shouldn't be indebted to the state after graduation. Doing that hinders their future, not every career path lends itself to staying in NY. Stupid rule IMO.
I'd think the majority of people taking advantage of this will be 18 year olds. So, while yes they have been NY residents for years and years, they aren't contributing to society or taxes, etc.
What degree that is given by a SUNY school doesn't lend itself to spending the first 4 years of your career in NY? Between upstate and downstate NY is diverse enough where someone could spend the first 4 years of their career in NYS.
I think its fair. If you do decide to leave, your 'free' education is converted to loans. And once again, no one is forcing anyone to take advantage of this program. If you dont like the requirements, then don't take the money.
They haven't been contributing to the state however, their parents have.
As for jobs, I'll give you an example based on my own life.
My DH is an electrical engineer. NY, LI especially, isn't a hot bed of technology and engineering jobs. When we graduated college, he took his first engineering job in FL because the pay was great, the cost of living was low, and the opportunity was better. (We also considered MA, RI, and CT) Currently, we're looking to move off the island again, this time to MA because there is SO much more technology and better opportunities there. So IMO, to force someone to stay in NY to work and making them forgo other (potentially better) career opportunities isn't fair. A new grad should be free to explore whatever opportunity is best for them whether that is here in NY or elsewhere.
Also, to that end, LI and NYC are EXTREMELY expensive places to live and most 22 year old new grads would do better NOT staying in the area after college. Certain careers, like engineering, pay VERY well out of school but many careers do not. Good luck living on LI making $25-30K/yr. It's not easy.
Again, why hinder them for 4 years?? I think there should be residency requirements leading into attending but after that, I don't think they should be held to remaining in the state. JMO.
I dont think you're hindering graduates by saying they have to pay back their loan - not with cash but with service and paying towards local society and what it takes to live here. It's all about trade-offs. If you decide to take advantage of the program, then yes you have to stay here for X amount of time. It may not be the same position as the one you can have in Florida and yes cost of living is higher. (But these days don't most people under 30 stay home and live with their parents anyway??)
I'm also in technology and engineering. You are right, Long Island is not a 'hotbed' of technology jobs. It's not Silicon Valley or Colorado. There are many technology jobs in Manhattan. So those graduates may have to get a job in Manhattan and not Stony Brook.
At my place of employment on LI we are constantly looking for technology employees and there are not enough people to fill the positions.
DH's company has the same issues, they spend MONTHS looking for engineers and they really struggle to find anyone good.................even with SBU close by which has an excellent engineering program. Trying to recruit out of state people is even harder, nobody wants to move to LI. lol
ETA - Under 30 still living at home??? That seems so old to me to still be with your parents but on LI I guess it's more common. I love my kids but I hope they are long gone from the house by 30!  
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