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JDandMe
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Obamacare surprise fee

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WASHINGTON (AP) - Your medical plan is facing an unexpected expense, so you probably are, too. It's a new, $63-per-head fee to cushion the cost of covering people with pre-existing conditions under President Barack Obama's health care overhaul.

The charge, buried in a recent regulation, works out to tens of millions of dollars for the largest companies, employers say. Most of that is likely to be passed on to workers.

Employee benefits lawyer Chantel Sheaks calls it a "sleeper issue" with significant financial consequences, particularly for large employers.

"Especially at a time when we are facing economic uncertainty, (companies will) be hit with a multi-million dollar assessment without getting anything back for it," said Sheaks, a principal at Buck Consultants, a Xerox subsidiary.

Based on figures provided in the regulation, employer and individual health plans covering an estimated 190 million Americans could owe the per-person fee.

The Obama administration says it is a temporary assessment levied for three years starting in 2014, designed to raise $25 billion. It starts at $63 and then declines.

Most of the money will go into a fund administered by the Health and Human Services Department. It will be used to cushion health insurance companies from the initial hard-to-predict costs of covering uninsured people with medical problems. Under the law, insurers will be forbidden from turning away the sick as of Jan. 1, 2014.

The program "is intended to help millions of Americans purchase affordable health insurance, reduce unreimbursed usage of hospital and other medical facilities by the uninsured and thereby lower medical expenses and premiums for all," the Obama administration says in the regulation. An accompanying media fact sheet issued Nov. 30 referred to "contributions" without detailing the total cost and scope of the program.

Of the total pot, $5 billion will go directly to the U.S. Treasury, apparently to offset the cost of shoring up employer-sponsored coverage for early retirees.

The $25 billion fee is part of a bigger package of taxes and fees to finance Obama's expansion of coverage to the uninsured. It all comes to about $700 billion over 10 years, and includes higher Medicare taxes effective this Jan. 1 on individuals making more than $200,000 per year or couples making more than $250,000. People above those threshold amounts also face an additional 3.8 percent tax on their investment income.

But the insurance fee had been overlooked as employers focused on other costs in the law, including fines for medium and large firms that don't provide coverage.

"This kind of came out of the blue and was a surprisingly large amount," said Gretchen Young, senior vice president for health policy at the ERISA Industry Committee, a group that represents large employers on benefits issues.

Word started getting out in the spring, said Young, but hard cost estimates surfaced only recently with the new regulation. It set the per capita rate at $5.25 per month, which works out to $63 a year.

America's Health Insurance Plans, the major industry trade group for health insurers, says the fund is an important program that will help stabilize the market and mitigate cost increases for consumers as the changes in Obama's law take effect.

But employers already offering coverage to their workers don't see why they have to pony up for the stabilization fund, which mainly helps the individual insurance market. The redistribution puts the biggest companies on the hook for tens of millions of dollars.

"It just adds on to everything else that is expected to increase health care costs," said economist Paul Fronstin of the nonprofit Employee Benefit Research Institute.

The fee will be assessed on all "major medical" insurance plans, including those provided by employers and those purchased individually by consumers. Large employers will owe the fee directly. That's because major companies usually pay upfront for most of the health care costs of their employees. It may not be apparent to workers, but the insurance company they deal with is basically an agent administering the plan for their employer.

The fee will total $12 billion in 2014, $8 billion in 2015 and $5 billion in 2016. That means the per-head assessment would be smaller each year, around $40 in 2015 instead of $63.

It will phase out completely in 2017 — unless Congress, with lawmakers searching everywhere for revenue to reduce federal deficits — decides to extend it.

Posted 12/11/12 12:11 PM
 
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Obamacare surprise fee

All i ever hear is "so worth it", "go ahead" or "I'm willing to pay for it", etc.

The company pays for it. They have to come up with the money somehow and its generally not just a $63 hit to each employee. Adminstration of the fee etc.

It is what it is. Nothing's going to change it. Meh. Not the first or last of these little fees, I suspect. No coverage of it, stories of it or math of it will make a difference in anyway at all. There will ALWAYS be someone out there with news, stories or justification of the math in another light.

I wish they'd stop acting like "OOH lookie here" because really no one is really looking anymore. Just state the facts, here's what we know today. End of story.

Meh. Im tired of the whole thing.

Posted 12/11/12 12:16 PM
 

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So it doesn't begin until 2014 and it's $63 whopping dollars per covered employee.

To cover people - not statistics, PEOPLE -with pre-existing conditions.

Oh, the horror Chat Icon

(And the multi-million dollar bill they reference would be for corporations with 15k or more employees, spread over three years. Those are often also the highest earning companies - as in, in the billions of dollars earning category.)

This is the face of pre-existing condition - without this bill, I would have to work through my daughter's terminal illness because we started out on my healthcare coverage.
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Sorry - this is a non-story to me.

Message edited 12/11/2012 12:21:13 PM.

Posted 12/11/12 12:20 PM
 

Pumpkin1
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Re: Obamacare surprise fee

Posted by Leeners

So it doesn't begin until 2014 and it's $63 whopping dollars per covered employee.

To cover people - not statistics, PEOPLE -with pre-existing conditions.

Oh, the horror Chat Icon

(And the multi-million dollar bill they reference would be for corporations with 15k or more employees, spread over three years. Those are often also the highest earning companies - as in, in the billions of dollars earning category.)

This is the face of pre-existing condition - without this bill, I would have to work through my daughter's terminal illness because we started out on my healthcare coverage.
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Sorry - this is a non-story to me.



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Posted 12/11/12 12:26 PM
 

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This doesn't bother me at all. Nobody in my household currently has a pre-existing condition, but that could change tomorrow. It could for you too. That's the thing about health-- you could do everything right with regards to taking care of yourself and still get sick or hurt.

Trust me, I'm tired of my tax money subsidizing other people's poor life choices in other areas, but with this fee, I view it as protection for EVERYONE.

Posted 12/11/12 12:27 PM
 

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I have a number of pre-existing conditions. Chances are when we do get pregnant and have a baby, that baby may also have similar pre-existing conditions. I am happy to pay my $63 (and an extra $63 for any future child if need be) to ensure that we can get the care we need throughout our lives.

Posted 12/11/12 12:30 PM
 

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Posted by Leeners

So it doesn't begin until 2014 and it's $63 whopping dollars per covered employee.

To cover people - not statistics, PEOPLE -with pre-existing conditions.

Oh, the horror Chat Icon

(And the multi-million dollar bill they reference would be for corporations with 15k or more employees, spread over three years. Those are often also the highest earning companies - as in, in the billions of dollars earning category.)

This is the face of pre-existing condition - without this bill, I would have to work through my daughter's terminal illness because we started out on my healthcare coverage.
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Sorry - this is a non-story to me.



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Posted 12/11/12 12:32 PM
 

Pumpkin1
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Seriously, even if employees are forced to eat this fee, people spend more than $63 a year for coffee (I spend more than that on lunch every week). It's a non-issue.

Posted 12/11/12 12:33 PM
 

Ayne11
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Papa John's can't cover this fee & has said he's going to have to lay off workers due to Obamacare. Yet, he's giving away 2 million free pizzas. Chat Icon

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Posted 12/11/12 12:36 PM
 

nrthshgrl
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Re: Obamacare surprise fee

It's not a surprise fee. I would have expected that it would have to be covered by someone.

But...

Posted by JDandMe
It's a new, $63-per-head fee to cushion the cost of covering people with pre-existing conditions under President Barack Obama's health care overhaul.



..this is a pittance to the costs of what someone would pay to cover people with a pre-existing condition.

I'm sure there are people who will complain about it...until someone they know or love is diagnosed with a pre-existing condition. Then they'll realize that everyone else's $63 is what saves their family from devastating-life altering medical costs.

Posted 12/11/12 12:38 PM
 

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Obamacare surprise fee

Doesn't bother me in the least...

Posted 12/11/12 12:38 PM
 

Onemoretime
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We all need to understand , obomacare is going to cost us a lot of money. Companies are going to get hit, doctors are going to get hit, and we the middle class will be doubly hit. Our premiums are going to go up, there will be more lay offs, cost of care is going to increase. quality of doctor care will decrease. We all saw this coming , so it's great for people who do not have insurance. The rest of us will be paying for it. This preexisting condition fee is very small compared to everything else that will come.

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Posted 12/11/12 12:50 PM
 

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Posted by Onemoretime

We all need to understand , obomacare is going to cost us a lot of money. Companies are going to get hit, doctors are going to get hit, and we the middle class will be doubly hit. Our premiums are going to go up, there will be more lay offs, cost of care is going to increase. quality of doctor care will decrease. We all saw this coming , so it's great for people who do not have insurance. The rest of us will be paying for it



I don't think we need to understand that at all. In fact, I don't agree with pretty much any part of that and therefore will continue to not understand it.

Posted 12/11/12 12:52 PM
 

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Posted by MandJZ

Posted by Onemoretime

We all need to understand , obomacare is going to cost us a lot of money. Companies are going to get hit, doctors are going to get hit, and we the middle class will be doubly hit. Our premiums are going to go up, there will be more lay offs, cost of care is going to increase. quality of doctor care will decrease. We all saw this coming , so it's great for people who do not have insurance. The rest of us will be paying for it



I don't think we need to understand that at all. In fact, I don't agree with pretty much any part of that and therefore will continue to not understand it.



What is so hard to understand? How will this magically pay for itself? Big corps are not going to foot the bill on this, they have shareholders to answer to. Think about the aging population and all the medical intervention they will need in the future, babies being born to people who do not have insurance, etc. I'm just saying we all knew we would be paying for this.

Posted 12/11/12 12:58 PM
 

Pumpkin1
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Posted by MandJZ

Posted by Onemoretime

We all need to understand , obomacare is going to cost us a lot of money. Companies are going to get hit, doctors are going to get hit, and we the middle class will be doubly hit. Our premiums are going to go up, there will be more lay offs, cost of care is going to increase. quality of doctor care will decrease. We all saw this coming , so it's great for people who do not have insurance. The rest of us will be paying for it



I don't think we need to understand that at all. In fact, I don't agree with pretty much any part of that and therefore will continue to not understand it.



I agree. I wish people would post real reasons why this is true, instead of conclusions like "quality of doctor care will decrease." Obamacare is going to cause doctors to ignore the Hippocratic oath because...

Posted 12/11/12 12:59 PM
 

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Obamacare surprise fee

Doesn't bother me in the least if it helps greater good

Layoffs?
Increased child care rates?
Increased premiums?
No way... As if that NEVER happens! (Insert sarcasm here)

We are all used to that by now anyway, right?

Take my $63 and help someone. I'm all for it.

Posted 12/11/12 1:00 PM
 

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Posted by Xelindrya

All i ever hear is "so worth it", "go ahead" or "I'm willing to pay for it", etc.

The company pays for it. They have to come up with the money somehow and its generally not just a $63 hit to each employee. Adminstration of the fee etc.

It is what it is. Nothing's going to change it. Meh. Not the first or last of these little fees, I suspect. No coverage of it, stories of it or math of it will make a difference in anyway at all. There will ALWAYS be someone out there with news, stories or justification of the math in another light.

I wish they'd stop acting like "OOH lookie here" because really no one is really looking anymore. Just state the facts, here's what we know today. End of story.

Meh. Im tired of the whole thing.



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Posted 12/11/12 1:06 PM
 

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Re: Obamacare surprise fee

Posted by Leeners

So it doesn't begin until 2014 and it's $63 whopping dollars per covered employee.

To cover people - not statistics, PEOPLE -with pre-existing conditions.

Oh, the horror Chat Icon

(And the multi-million dollar bill they reference would be for corporations with 15k or more employees, spread over three years. Those are often also the highest earning companies - as in, in the billions of dollars earning category.)

This is the face of pre-existing condition - without this bill, I would have to work through my daughter's terminal illness because we started out on my healthcare coverage.
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Sorry - this is a non-story to me.



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Thank you!

This is a non-issue for me and should be for everyone. No one is guaranteed tomorrow and exempt from getting sick. It could be you or a loved one that gets sick and needs the coverage.

Posted 12/11/12 1:19 PM
 

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I have a preexisting condition that is covered because I have never had a gap in insurance coverage. I have been lucky. I am happy to pay an extra $63 for 3 years (or more than that) if it means other people with pre-existing conditions will be covered.

Posted 12/11/12 1:25 PM
 

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Re: Obamacare surprise fee

Posted by Leeners

So it doesn't begin until 2014 and it's $63 whopping dollars per covered employee.

To cover people - not statistics, PEOPLE -with pre-existing conditions.

Oh, the horror Chat Icon

(And the multi-million dollar bill they reference would be for corporations with 15k or more employees, spread over three years. Those are often also the highest earning companies - as in, in the billions of dollars earning category.)

This is the face of pre-existing condition - without this bill, I would have to work through my daughter's terminal illness because we started out on my healthcare coverage.
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Sorry - this is a non-story to me.


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Posted 12/11/12 1:26 PM
 

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Re: Obamacare surprise fee

$63 is fine for me too. My FIL who may not have a job after January first will lose his insurance. I hope my $63 will help him or others!Chat Icon

Posted 12/11/12 1:33 PM
 

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Re: Obamacare surprise fee

I am still all for it. I would be willing to pay the $63 for each family member, up front, every year, out of my own pocket bc I think it is worth it.

Posted 12/11/12 1:34 PM
 

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Obamacare surprise fee

I am more than OK with it. DH has a severe preexisting condition and we would absolutely need him to continue to be covered!

Posted 12/11/12 1:39 PM
 

Xelindrya
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Re: Obamacare surprise fee

Posted by Pumpkin1
I agree. I wish people would post real reasons why this is true, instead of conclusions like "quality of doctor care will decrease." Obamacare is going to cause doctors to ignore the Hippocratic oath because...



Ok lets think of it this way $63 per person to a place with 1000 employees and on a super tight (nearly going under) budget.. How do they pay the $63k? Well sorry but we'll just have to fire that person there. Head of household with children, no other income, barely making it by, with health issues, children and other daily struggles. Sorry buddy. Move on.

Like i said.. math can go anyway you want. WE aren't paying this fee. WE aren't opening up our pockets for $63. The companies are. They will juggle their budget anyway they see fit. Its not just this fee either. Whatever this costs, the corporate heads will keep their cushy lives status quo and its the peons who lose their jobs, or benefits go up etc etc.

I keep hearing "i'll pay" ... but I wonder. If they did the math and said it is $X per person, would we pay? who says who has to pay or not pay? We all want children to get care they need. period. no child should suffer. or anyone. So if they said if you make $80k a year you must pay $5k back out of your pocket post tax, would you? If you make $100k would you put out $8k, etc. (all hypothetical of course).

Posted 12/11/12 1:40 PM
 

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Re: Obamacare surprise fee

Posted by Xelindrya

Posted by Pumpkin1
I agree. I wish people would post real reasons why this is true, instead of conclusions like "quality of doctor care will decrease." Obamacare is going to cause doctors to ignore the Hippocratic oath because...





I keep hearing "i'll pay" ... but I wonder. If they did the math and said it is $X per person, would we pay? who says who has to pay or not pay? We all want children to get care they need. period. no child should suffer. or anyone. So if they said if you make $80k a year you must pay $5k back out of your pocket post tax, would you? If you make $100k would you put out $8k, etc. (all hypothetical of course).



Yes.

I have said and will say again that I would have no problem with my income tax increasing if it meant that everyone in this country had affordable health insurance and access to health care.

ETA: I don't see why it would be post-tax....that isn't how it works.

Message edited 12/11/2012 1:45:17 PM.

Posted 12/11/12 1:44 PM
 
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