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Millie3
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Re: Work place related: Is this a millennial thing?
Def not just a millennial thing. She likely expects you to do it until the day you leave on maternity leave. Seems she won't take on extra work until you are gone?
As an aside (not in your case) , I always envied people that could say no I have too much going on. I was one that would never say no, and was always swamped/ overwhelmed at work.
Also, I wouldn't be the one pushing this if I were you. A higher up should be the one addressing this issue. She can easily go to HR and turn it around on you, you have to cover yourself and get someone else involved if necessary. Especially since you are leaving the office on Maternity leave!!!!
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Re: Work place related: Is this a millennial thing?
Posted by evrythng4areason
I would honestly just tell her at his point that her review will reflect her lack of ability to properly manage her time.
I suppose I'm a millennial, I'm 29, but never in a million years would I tell my boss I can't do something.
Agreed. You've given her several chances to step up and take on the extra work and she has flat out refused. She's not even giving you a valid reason why. I'd stop at this point and take it directly to her other supervisors so that they can be sure her performance review reflects this. I'd also find a more worthy candidate to take over your work. I'm so surprised- I'd NEVER tell my boss no to work, under any circumstances.
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Millie3
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Re: Work place related: Is this a millennial thing?
Posted by DaniJude
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Maybe write her back with some guidelines as to when and how to reject work becauase one is "too busy" at your firm. Tie the "busy" standard back to productivity and hours billed. Suggest an audit of how she is billing and using her time and what she is getting done to help her figure out what she truly is too busy for and when she should be saying that to supervisors.
CC the bigwigs on that.
It'll get done.
Some people just need to be given firm standards and accountability--and a chance to see on paper where and how they have been falling short to become fearful enough to get to work.
Yes, CCing the upper person may get her to realize you mean business!
And, as an aside -- we are FUUCKED lol because if our future is made up of people like that, forget it!
I don't exactly agree with this. These younger kids are very smart. They don't want to be driven into the ground. Companies are going to have to work with this generation with more flexibility and more realistic expectations when it comes to work load.
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Pumpkin1
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Work place related: Is this a millennial thing?
I'm not sure if it is a millennial thing or a technology thing, but I find that nothing gets done via email unless upper management is cc'd. Call me an old timer, but I used to always pick up a phone before sending this type of email because it feels like I am throwing someone under the bus. However, still nothing gets done but I try to be selective when I send these types of emails.
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racheK
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Re: Work place related: Is this a millennial thing?
Posted by bunnyluck
And the millennial comment, kind of irks me. I am technically a millennial, albeit on the cusp, but I never say no and I work with plenty of younger folks on my team who report to me and are truly hard workers...Honestly there are just as many Gen X and Gen Y slackers out there too so let's not put an entire generation in a box...I manage many gen x and gen y people who suck badly, maybe even more than the millennials I manage. But anyway that is neither here nor there, I just feel like the millennial argument is so lame.
I'm sorry, it was a generalization and you are right, there are people of all generations that are like this. It just so happens we have a few associates at the office that are just out of college and are selective with what work they take on. I just never thought it was an option to say no. I actually have a senior associate that is 26 and complains about his peers and uses the millennial comment often.
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bunnyluck
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Re: Work place related: Is this a millennial thing?
Posted by racheK
Posted by bunnyluck
And the millennial comment, kind of irks me. I am technically a millennial, albeit on the cusp, but I never say no and I work with plenty of younger folks on my team who report to me and are truly hard workers...Honestly there are just as many Gen X and Gen Y slackers out there too so let's not put an entire generation in a box...I manage many gen x and gen y people who suck badly, maybe even more than the millennials I manage. But anyway that is neither here nor there, I just feel like the millennial argument is so lame.
I'm sorry, it was a generalization and you are right, there are people of all generations that are like this. It just so happens we have a few associates at the office that are just out of college and are selective with what work they take on. I just never thought it was an option to say no. I actually have a senior associate that is 26 and complains about his peers and uses the millennial comment often.
No problem! I didn't mean to get snarky with you personally either. I just feel like it is such a common theme lately and I don't get it.
Plus a lot of the folks who bad mouth millennials gave birth to and raised them!!
Goodluck with your issues and try to not let it stress you out during a what should be a great time in your life :)
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momtimes2
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Work place related: Is this a millennial thing?
I definitely think its a generational, entitlement thing. I have a girl that works for me that told me the other day that I was "getting VERY good at delegating" and that totally rubbed me the wrong way - I am here earlier and leave later than her every night - I will be discussing it with her when I give her year end evaluation. People management is the absolute worst part of being in a management position
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Re: Work place related: Is this a millennial thing?
Posted by Millie3
Posted by DaniJude
Posted by seaside
Maybe write her back with some guidelines as to when and how to reject work becauase one is "too busy" at your firm. Tie the "busy" standard back to productivity and hours billed. Suggest an audit of how she is billing and using her time and what she is getting done to help her figure out what she truly is too busy for and when she should be saying that to supervisors.
CC the bigwigs on that.
It'll get done.
Some people just need to be given firm standards and accountability--and a chance to see on paper where and how they have been falling short to become fearful enough to get to work.
Yes, CCing the upper person may get her to realize you mean business!
And, as an aside -- we are FUUCKED lol because if our future is made up of people like that, forget it!
I don't exactly agree with this. These younger kids are very smart. They don't want to be driven into the ground. Companies are going to have to work with this generation with more flexibility and more realistic expectations when it comes to work load.
These kids need to learn some good work ethics like the generations before them.
That is a lame excuse and that is why these kids are this way. Parents have taught them that they can do what they want with no regard for anyone else. SMH
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w8andsee
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Re: Work place related: Is this a millennial thing?
Posted by momtimes2
I definitely think its a generational, entitlement thing. I have a girl that works for me that told me the other day that I was "getting VERY good at delegating" and that totally rubbed me the wrong way - I am here earlier and leave later than her every night - I will be discussing it with her when I give her year end evaluation. People management is the absolute worst part of being in a management position
I've actually said this to my boss because he was horrible at delegating work. He would rather do it himself or get completely overwhelmed and then delegate work. It doesn't work well for the team.
It's something he's been working on and when he shows improvement I tell him "you're getting good at delegating."
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| Posted 1/12/16 12:57 PM |
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Millie3
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Re: Work place related: Is this a millennial thing?
Posted by afternoondelight828
Posted by Millie3
Posted by DaniJude
Posted by seaside
Maybe write her back with some guidelines as to when and how to reject work becauase one is "too busy" at your firm. Tie the "busy" standard back to productivity and hours billed. Suggest an audit of how she is billing and using her time and what she is getting done to help her figure out what she truly is too busy for and when she should be saying that to supervisors.
CC the bigwigs on that.
It'll get done.
Some people just need to be given firm standards and accountability--and a chance to see on paper where and how they have been falling short to become fearful enough to get to work.
Yes, CCing the upper person may get her to realize you mean business!
And, as an aside -- we are FUUCKED lol because if our future is made up of people like that, forget it!
I don't exactly agree with this. These younger kids are very smart. They don't want to be driven into the ground. Companies are going to have to work with this generation with more flexibility and more realistic expectations when it comes to work load.
These kids need to learn some good work ethics like the generations before them.
That is a lame excuse and that is why these kids are this way. Parents have taught them that they can do what they want with no regard for anyone else. SMH
What about the boomers that have already basically retired with nice pensions and money in the bank. They for the most part did 9-5 and had a nice family life, some even with a wife at home. It is OUR generation working like crazy people, both parents away from their kids 10 hours a day, swimming in mortgage and other debts, etc. Working hard / work ethics have very little to do with anything. A 25 yo can bust their booty 9-5 and have a life outside of work. May they learn a lesson from our generation 
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Re: Work place related: Is this a millennial thing?
I would respond to her reply, and CC-ing your supervisor, that this is a non negotiable task that is to be completed by XXXX, and that should she need additional time to complete this, she is free to work beyond her scheduled normal work hours without constraint.
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Re: Work place related: Is this a millennial thing?
Posted by Millie3
Posted by afternoondelight828
Posted by Millie3
Posted by DaniJude
Posted by seaside
Maybe write her back with some guidelines as to when and how to reject work becauase one is "too busy" at your firm. Tie the "busy" standard back to productivity and hours billed. Suggest an audit of how she is billing and using her time and what she is getting done to help her figure out what she truly is too busy for and when she should be saying that to supervisors.
CC the bigwigs on that.
It'll get done.
Some people just need to be given firm standards and accountability--and a chance to see on paper where and how they have been falling short to become fearful enough to get to work.
Yes, CCing the upper person may get her to realize you mean business!
And, as an aside -- we are FUUCKED lol because if our future is made up of people like that, forget it!
I don't exactly agree with this. These younger kids are very smart. They don't want to be driven into the ground. Companies are going to have to work with this generation with more flexibility and more realistic expectations when it comes to work load.
These kids need to learn some good work ethics like the generations before them.
That is a lame excuse and that is why these kids are this way. Parents have taught them that they can do what they want with no regard for anyone else. SMH
What about the boomers that have already basically retired with nice pensions and money in the bank. They for the most part did 9-5 and had a nice family life, some even with a wife at home. It is OUR generation working like crazy people, both parents away from their kids 10 hours a day, swimming in mortgage and other debts, etc. Working hard / work ethics have very little to do with anything. A 25 yo can bust their booty 9-5 and have a life outside of work. May they learn a lesson from our generation
This new generation wants everything and they want it now. They don't want to wait. They want the biggest and best. They don't get that you don't get that until working for 20 years.
Did you ever see that video joking (but the truth) about this new generation looking to be promoted after a short while, looking to take vacation right away. Sad but true with many of these kids (not all of course but I have met many as I am 20 years older than most is them and worked with them).
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muffaboo
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Re: Work place related: Is this a millennial thing?
I'm a Millenial & would NEVER act like that at work.
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seaside
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Re: Work place related: Is this a millennial thing?
I bet she makes an incredible salary.
And I bet that if you were a man and/or a man were cc'd, she'd be less cavalier.
Most law firms nowadays can't afford that kind of dead weight.
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seaside
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Re: Work place related: Is this a millennial thing? UPDATE in original post!
Posted by Millie3
Posted by DaniJude
Posted by seaside
Maybe write her back with some guidelines as to when and how to reject work becauase one is "too busy" at your firm. Tie the "busy" standard back to productivity and hours billed. Suggest an audit of how she is billing and using her time and what she is getting done to help her figure out what she truly is too busy for and when she should be saying that to supervisors.
CC the bigwigs on that.
It'll get done.
Some people just need to be given firm standards and accountability--and a chance to see on paper where and how they have been falling short to become fearful enough to get to work.
Yes, CCing the upper person may get her to realize you mean business!
And, as an aside -- we are FUUCKED lol because if our future is made up of people like that, forget it!
I don't exactly agree with this. These younger kids are very smart. They don't want to be driven into the ground. Companies are going to have to work with this generation with more flexibility and more realistic expectations when it comes to work load.
See-- I respectfully disagree with that. It's one thing to want flexibility, but then you don't deserve the same salary that was paid to one person, now that it could take 3 "flexible" to get the same job done.
Nobody has EVER wanted to be driven into the ground. That would be insane.
And all generations have lazy people in them. For sure.
BUT, it only recently became commonplace, if not acceptable in some people's minds to flat out refuse work that is expected of one. To explicitly say, leave me alone, leave my weekends and nights alone, but keep paying me the big bucks (these are not hourly workers) an don't fire me, and promote me..... etc. That is pure entitlement, and it's out of step with previous generations' notions of what is acceptable to articulate--even in the lazy ones' heads.
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Re: Work place related: Is this a millennial thing? UPDATE in original post!
Posted by seaside
Posted by Millie3
Posted by DaniJude
Posted by seaside
Maybe write her back with some guidelines as to when and how to reject work becauase one is "too busy" at your firm. Tie the "busy" standard back to productivity and hours billed. Suggest an audit of how she is billing and using her time and what she is getting done to help her figure out what she truly is too busy for and when she should be saying that to supervisors.
CC the bigwigs on that.
It'll get done.
Some people just need to be given firm standards and accountability--and a chance to see on paper where and how they have been falling short to become fearful enough to get to work.
Yes, CCing the upper person may get her to realize you mean business!
And, as an aside -- we are FUUCKED lol because if our future is made up of people like that, forget it!
I don't exactly agree with this. These younger kids are very smart. They don't want to be driven into the ground. Companies are going to have to work with this generation with more flexibility and more realistic expectations when it comes to work load.
See-- I respectfully disagree with that. It's one thing to want flexibility, but then you don't deserve the same salary that was paid to one person, now that it could take 3 "flexible" to get the same job done.
Nobody has EVER wanted to be driven into the ground. That would be insane.
And all generations have lazy people in them. For sure.
BUT, it only recently became commonplace, if not acceptable in some people's minds to flat out refuse work that is expected of one. To explicitly say, leave me alone, leave my weekends and nights alone, but keep paying me the big bucks (these are not hourly workers) an don't fire me, and promote me..... etc. That is pure entitlement, and it's out of step with previous generations' notions of what is acceptable to articulate--even in the lazy ones' heads.
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racheK
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Re: Work place related: Is this a millennial thing? UPDATE in original post!
Posted by seaside
I bet she makes an incredible salary.
And I bet that if you were a man and/or a man were cc'd, she'd be less cavalier.
Most law firms nowadays can't afford that kind of dead weight.
She does. I think we are paid very well at my firm.
And yes--my boss said I'm too nice. Which actually worries me for my future. I don't want to be known as a dragon-lady but I do want to be respected.
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seaside
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Re: Work place related: Is this a millennial thing? UPDATE in original post!
Posted by racheK
Posted by seaside
I bet she makes an incredible salary.
And I bet that if you were a man and/or a man were cc'd, she'd be less cavalier.
Most law firms nowadays can't afford that kind of dead weight.
She does. I think we are paid very well at my firm.
And yes--my boss said I'm too nice. Which actually worries me for my future. I don't want to be known as a dragon-lady but I do want to be respected.
You're perfect. You deserve respect. I think her disrespect is gendered.
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