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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
Abc news is reporting Turkey arrested 8 suspected Isis members who were planning to travel to Germany posing as refugees.
This is exactly what I'm afraid of. I'm not afraid of real refugees, I want them safe, nobody should be going through what they are, but this is a very dangerous situation because the bad guys are posing as the good guys.
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Posted by gina409
I'm not saying send them away. Be gone!!! I don't care
I am saying I am scared. I am scared for my family
I am saying I want to do anything to protect them
Why does that make me disgusting and have zero respect for humanity.
It is amazing if someone can not be in fear. If that makes you a better person than me than so be it
But it is what I am. I am
Afraid.
Again, fear is dangerous.
Put yourself in the shoes of a syrian mother with her children trying to save their lives and being denied that everywhere you turned because you lived in the "wrong" country.
I'm also scared, but to not look at the bigger picture is scary too. ISIS wants us to fear letting these refugees in, so they are in their control.
No one is asking you to personally house these refugees, just give them a safe haven to have a chance at survival.
Also, the vetting process is extremely extensive and takes place before these people are even en route to the US.
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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
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saw this on my facebook and it sums up my feelings,
If there was a bowl of 10,000 M&Ms and you were told that 10 of them might be poisoned and kill you instantly, would you grab a handful and eat them?
No???
How come, most of them are ok.
You still say no???
Then why the hell would you be willing to let 10,000 refugees into the USA??? Unfortunately, they are coming from a country has some "poisoned peopled" in it and we can't look into their background throughly enough to verify that they are safe, because the information DOESN'T EXIST!!!!
You might as well just not leave your house then.
We are all entitled to our opinions but I can't compare chocolate candies (I don't like M&Ms so I'd pass on them for a different chocolate candy anyways) to people's lives. I know it's just being used as a comparison but I don't think it's a fair one to make.
Agreed. Unfair on numerous levels.
Also - and I mean this in general, not just directed at the original quoted poster - I think people need to really think beyond what they see on FB.
When you go off of something on FB, don't forget that the item is simply something someone else posted that they thought was important.
I'm not saying you can't agree with anything you see. I am saying look at the logic behind it - the original source, the context, etc. Do more research.
People (in general, not necessarily on here) complained that they "didn't know about the attacks in Kenya."
Well maybe get off Facebook occasionally and you would have.
It's a fairly low common denominator for information gathering.
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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
Friction between moderate Muslims and western societies is EXACTLY what Islamic State militants want--it makes regular Muslims marginalized in their communities and then easier to radicalize. The terrorists in Paris were EU nationals.
The photographer who runs the Humans of New York blog recently photographed and told the stories of many Syrian refugees in Europe. Take a look at it (HERE). The stories out of Syria are HORRIFIC. I do think it's our duty to help these people (who--and this is not really something that sways me but maybe others are concerned-- are largely young and well-educated, therefore not really a burden--and possibly a boost -- economically).
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Posted by spartagoose
Friction between moderate Muslims and western societies is EXACTLY what Islamic State militants want--it makes regular Muslims marginalized in their communities and then easier to radicalize. The terrorists in Paris were EU nationals.
The photographer who runs the Humans of New York blog recently photographed and told the stories of many Syrian refugees in Europe. Take a look at it (HERE). The stories out of Syria are HORRIFIC. I do think it's our duty to help these people (who--and this is not really something that sways me but maybe others are concerned-- are largely young and well-educated, therefore not really a burden--and possibly a boost -- economically).
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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
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Posted by gina409
I'm not saying send them away. Be gone!!! I don't care
I am saying I am scared. I am scared for my family
I am saying I want to do anything to protect them
Why does that make me disgusting and have zero respect for humanity.
It is amazing if someone can not be in fear. If that makes you a better person than me than so be it
But it is what I am. I am
Afraid.
Again, fear is dangerous.
Put yourself in the shoes of a syrian mother with her children trying to save their lives and being denied that everywhere you turned because you lived in the "wrong" country.
I'm also scared, but to not look at the bigger picture is scary too. ISIS wants us to fear letting these refugees in, so they are in their control.
No one is asking you to personally house these refugees, just give them a safe haven to have a chance at survival.
Also, the vetting process is extremely extensive and takes place before these people are even en route to the US.
Fear is also smart. We teach our children not to talk to strangers out of fear of kidnapping, we teach our children to look both ways before crossing a street for fear of getting hit by a car, we hopefully grow up to be street smart, so we can avoid dangerous situations.
Well this here is a potentially dangerous situation that I will allow my fear to get the best of. It has nothing to do with not leaving your house, it has nothing to do with building a shelter in your basement and never leaving because you are fearful. It has to do with my husband traveling into the city everyday and another terrorist attack happening, my mother traveling into the city every day and another terrorist attack happening, my brother, etc.... I want to protect my family, and if it means being selfish and sending refugees away at a time of heightened National security, than call me selfish and cold hearted, but my child, my husband, my mother, my brother, they come first.
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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
What I am hearing on this thread is that people have the illusion they are safe now, and letting in Syrian refugees will cause imminent danger because terrorists will be hidden among the refugees. You all do realize there are thousands of terrorists(or people who are open to Jihadi ways) living in the US right now? From a humanitarian perspective, it is unthinkable not to let these families enter our country and have a chance for peace, and a better future for their children.
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There is a far greater chance that someone will get hurt in a car accident than by a terrorist attack.
I cannot understand how anyone would basically send children to their deaths when they have the chance to prevent it. American children, Syrian children - they are all the same.
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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
Posted by JME78
There is a far greater chance that someone will get hurt in a car accident than by a terrorist attack.
I cannot understand how anyone would basically send children to their deaths when they have the chance to prevent it. American children, Syrian children - they are all the same.
This is why:
I WILL NEVER FORGET 9/11
The attacks resulted in the deaths of 2,996 people, including the 19 hijackers. The 2,977 victims included 246 on the four planes (from which there were no survivors), 2,606 in the World Trade Center and in the surrounding area, and 125 at the Pentagon.
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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
Posted by LotsaLuv
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Posted by gina409
I'm not saying send them away. Be gone!!! I don't care
I am saying I am scared. I am scared for my family
I am saying I want to do anything to protect them
Why does that make me disgusting and have zero respect for humanity.
It is amazing if someone can not be in fear. If that makes you a better person than me than so be it
But it is what I am. I am
Afraid.
Again, fear is dangerous.
Put yourself in the shoes of a syrian mother with her children trying to save their lives and being denied that everywhere you turned because you lived in the "wrong" country.
I'm also scared, but to not look at the bigger picture is scary too. ISIS wants us to fear letting these refugees in, so they are in their control.
No one is asking you to personally house these refugees, just give them a safe haven to have a chance at survival.
Also, the vetting process is extremely extensive and takes place before these people are even en route to the US.
Fear is also smart. We teach our children not to talk to strangers out of fear of kidnapping, we teach our children to look both ways before crossing a street for fear of getting hit by a car, we hopefully grow up to be street smart, so we can avoid dangerous situations.
Well this here is a potentially dangerous situation that I will allow my fear to get the best of. It has nothing to do with not leaving your house, it has nothing to do with building a shelter in your basement and never leaving because you are fearful. It has to do with my husband traveling into the city everyday and another terrorist attack happening, my mother traveling into the city every day and another terrorist attack happening, my brother, etc.... I want to protect my family, and if it means being selfish and sending refugees away at a time of heightened National security, than call me selfish and cold hearted, but my child, my husband, my mother, my brother, they come first.
The "me" mentality will only get you so far.
You are not safe now, sorry to say. Terrorists are here and giving some fellow humans a chance at surviving isn't going to change that.
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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
Posted by JME78
I cannot understand how anyone would basically send children to their deaths when they have the chance to prevent it. American children, Syrian children - they are all the same.
A lot of people feel (myself included) that we will be taking a chance to send our own children to death by allowing them in. I'm sorry, if choosing my people over strangers makes me a bad person, then so be it.
If they can find a way to screen them to the point of being 100% certain that the people coming are in no doubt people fleeing For their lives. - the there would be a lot more people for it.
I have to say, it bothers me so very much - those of you who sit in your soap boxes, stating your case as to why those who are against it are practically Devils.
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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
Posted by LotsaLuv
Posted by JME78
There is a far greater chance that someone will get hurt in a car accident than by a terrorist attack.
I cannot understand how anyone would basically send children to their deaths when they have the chance to prevent it. American children, Syrian children - they are all the same.
This is why:
I WILL NEVER FORGET 9/11
The attacks resulted in the deaths of 2,996 people, including the 19 hijackers. The 2,977 victims included 246 on the four planes (from which there were no survivors), 2,606 in the World Trade Center and in the surrounding area, and 125 at the Pentagon.
So we should turn our backs on the rest of the world forever?
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Posted by DRMom
What I am hearing on this thread is that people have the illusion they are safe now, and letting in Syrian refugees will cause imminent danger because terrorists will be hidden among the refugees. You all do realize there are thousands of terrorists(or people who are open to Jihadi ways) living in the US right now? From a humanitarian perspective, it is unthinkable not to let these families enter our country and have a chance for peace, and a better future for their children.
you are so right
I 100% understand fear and the immediate response to want to shelter loved ones and oneself.. but turning your backs on others in need just makes you fall into the trap that terrorists and fearmongers (some republicans) are setting. They thrive on this fear, they thrive on our xenophobia, and they thrive on the confusion these attacks cause.
Don't fall into that trap, and don't let them win.
Be a better person, its the right thing to do!
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I'm so torn.
How can I try to teach my own children to help those in need if I won't do it myself?
I see pictures of those poor kids sleeping wherever they can; those who have lost their parents, the people who comfort them when they are scared and wonder how we can turn our backs.
But then there is the side of me who wants to protect and comfort my own children.
It stirs up a lot of emotion and confusion in me. I want to be a helper (ala Mr. Rogers - look for the helpers) for these people who literally have nothing and I don't want to let the fear of the possibility of terrorists crossing the border posing as a refugee get in the way.... but it's so hard. 
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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
Posted by ohbaby08
Posted by LotsaLuv
Posted by JME78
There is a far greater chance that someone will get hurt in a car accident than by a terrorist attack.
I cannot understand how anyone would basically send children to their deaths when they have the chance to prevent it. American children, Syrian children - they are all the same.
This is why:
I WILL NEVER FORGET 9/11
The attacks resulted in the deaths of 2,996 people, including the 19 hijackers. The 2,977 victims included 246 on the four planes (from which there were no survivors), 2,606 in the World Trade Center and in the surrounding area, and 125 at the Pentagon.
So we should turn our backs on the rest of the world forever?
Seriously. We are not the only country who has suffered losses in the past 14 years. ISIS has been responsible for the deaths of more muslims in their own countries than people from the west.
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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by ohbaby08
Posted by LotsaLuv
Posted by JME78
There is a far greater chance that someone will get hurt in a car accident than by a terrorist attack.
I cannot understand how anyone would basically send children to their deaths when they have the chance to prevent it. American children, Syrian children - they are all the same.
This is why:
I WILL NEVER FORGET 9/11
The attacks resulted in the deaths of 2,996 people, including the 19 hijackers. The 2,977 victims included 246 on the four planes (from which there were no survivors), 2,606 in the World Trade Center and in the surrounding area, and 125 at the Pentagon.
So we should turn our backs on the rest of the world forever?
Seriously. We are not the only country who has suffered losses in the past 14 years. ISIS has been responsible for the deaths of more muslims in their own countries than people from the west.
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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
Posted by PhyllisNJoe
Posted by JME78
I cannot understand how anyone would basically send children to their deaths when they have the chance to prevent it. American children, Syrian children - they are all the same.
A lot of people feel (myself included) that we will be taking a chance to send our own children to death by allowing them in. I'm sorry, if choosing my people over strangers makes me a bad person, then so be it.
If they can find a way to screen them to the point of being 100% certain that the people coming are in no doubt people fleeing For their lives. - the there would be a lot more people for it.
I have to say, it bothers me so very much - those of you who sit in your soap boxes, stating your case as to why those who are against it are practically Devils.
Agree , especially with your last paragraph. It's like sheep being led to the slaughter house.
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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
From a statistics prospective I think we need to really look at the numbers here. Many many more people have been killed by gun violence since 2001. Why are we not screaming for gun control??
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/oregon-college-shooting/americans-killed-gun-violence-vs-terrorism-n437246
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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
Posted by ohbaby08
Posted by LotsaLuv
Posted by ohbaby08
Posted by gina409
I'm not saying send them away. Be gone!!! I don't care
I am saying I am scared. I am scared for my family
I am saying I want to do anything to protect them
Why does that make me disgusting and have zero respect for humanity.
It is amazing if someone can not be in fear. If that makes you a better person than me than so be it
But it is what I am. I am
Afraid.
Again, fear is dangerous.
Put yourself in the shoes of a syrian mother with her children trying to save their lives and being denied that everywhere you turned because you lived in the "wrong" country.
I'm also scared, but to not look at the bigger picture is scary too. ISIS wants us to fear letting these refugees in, so they are in their control.
No one is asking you to personally house these refugees, just give them a safe haven to have a chance at survival.
Also, the vetting process is extremely extensive and takes place before these people are even en route to the US.
Fear is also smart. We teach our children not to talk to strangers out of fear of kidnapping, we teach our children to look both ways before crossing a street for fear of getting hit by a car, we hopefully grow up to be street smart, so we can avoid dangerous situations.
Well this here is a potentially dangerous situation that I will allow my fear to get the best of. It has nothing to do with not leaving your house, it has nothing to do with building a shelter in your basement and never leaving because you are fearful. It has to do with my husband traveling into the city everyday and another terrorist attack happening, my mother traveling into the city every day and another terrorist attack happening, my brother, etc.... I want to protect my family, and if it means being selfish and sending refugees away at a time of heightened National security, than call me selfish and cold hearted, but my child, my husband, my mother, my brother, they come first.
The "me" mentality will only get you so far.
You are not safe now, sorry to say. Terrorists are here and giving some fellow humans a chance at surviving isn't going to change that.
So throw your hands up, let it become a free for all? Do you see what has happened in France, Sweden, and Germany? Have you watched videos of (Swedes, Germans) terrified locals after these refugees have taken over their neighborhoods? You see what is happening to the European women and children?
Point is, there may or may not be terrorists here but right now we are still a free country . All they need is numbers and it's over for us.
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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
Posted by Millie3
Posted by ohbaby08
Posted by LotsaLuv
Posted by ohbaby08
Posted by gina409
I'm not saying send them away. Be gone!!! I don't care
I am saying I am scared. I am scared for my family
I am saying I want to do anything to protect them
Why does that make me disgusting and have zero respect for humanity.
It is amazing if someone can not be in fear. If that makes you a better person than me than so be it
But it is what I am. I am
Afraid.
Again, fear is dangerous.
Put yourself in the shoes of a syrian mother with her children trying to save their lives and being denied that everywhere you turned because you lived in the "wrong" country.
I'm also scared, but to not look at the bigger picture is scary too. ISIS wants us to fear letting these refugees in, so they are in their control.
No one is asking you to personally house these refugees, just give them a safe haven to have a chance at survival.
Also, the vetting process is extremely extensive and takes place before these people are even en route to the US.
Fear is also smart. We teach our children not to talk to strangers out of fear of kidnapping, we teach our children to look both ways before crossing a street for fear of getting hit by a car, we hopefully grow up to be street smart, so we can avoid dangerous situations.
Well this here is a potentially dangerous situation that I will allow my fear to get the best of. It has nothing to do with not leaving your house, it has nothing to do with building a shelter in your basement and never leaving because you are fearful. It has to do with my husband traveling into the city everyday and another terrorist attack happening, my mother traveling into the city every day and another terrorist attack happening, my brother, etc.... I want to protect my family, and if it means being selfish and sending refugees away at a time of heightened National security, than call me selfish and cold hearted, but my child, my husband, my mother, my brother, they come first.
The "me" mentality will only get you so far.
You are not safe now, sorry to say. Terrorists are here and giving some fellow humans a chance at surviving isn't going to change that.
So throw your hands up, let it become a free for all? Do you see what has happened in France, Sweden, and Germany? Have you watched videos of (Swedes, Germans) terrified locals after these refugees have taken over their neighborhoods? You see what is happening to the European women and children?
Point is, there may or may not be terrorists here but right now we are still a free country . All they need is numbers and it's over for us.
10,000 refugees are not going to take over the US. Sorry, not happening.
The vetting process for the US is much different than in Europe. We are not bringing millions of people over here and dumping them on the streets to fend for themselves. Once here, smaller groups of refugees are to be set up by various charities. In fact, catholic charities is supposedly going to set some of them up in Amityville. That is hardly a free for all.
People think hoardes of refugees will be filling the streets of america. That is not what would be happening. Good old fear without doing any actual research.
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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
Posted by KGools
I'm so torn.
How can I try to teach my own children to help those in need if I won't do it myself?
I see pictures of those poor kids sleeping wherever they can; those who have lost their parents, the people who comfort them when they are scared and wonder how we can turn our backs.
But then there is the side of me who wants to protect and comfort my own children.
It stirs up a lot of emotion and confusion in me. I want to be a helper (ala Mr. Rogers - look for the helpers) for these people who literally have nothing and I don't want to let the fear of the possibility of terrorists crossing the border posing as a refugee get in the way.... but it's so hard.
Yup.
As a Jewish woman, the comparison in the OP really struck me. The USA sent hundreds of people back to a miserable situation and cost innocent people their lives. For the bulk of WWII, the US wouldn't make exceptions for Jewish refugees, and essentially trapped them in Europe. And I call BS that they were genuinely worried about a German spy among the Jewish refugees - I think the mid-century Americans didn't want too many of "those people" coming into their country, period. To see that archaic attitude repeat itself now is appalling.
But. I don't pretend to know the ins and outs of immigration, but I don't see how it's possible to to truly vet this quantity of people. I think it'd be too easy to slip into the country and start wrecking havoc. I'm not naive enough to feel safe now, but bringing in thousands of quickly-checked people into the city makes me feel even less so.
There's also the practical side to think about. NYC schools are busting at the seams and affordable housing is in very short supply. Job options are limited. Where are all these people going to live? Work? Educate their children? The DOE can hire more teachers and counselors, but they can't magically build more schools to accommodate a wave of new kids...
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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
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Posted by Millie3
Posted by ohbaby08
Posted by LotsaLuv
Posted by ohbaby08
Posted by gina409
I'm not saying send them away. Be gone!!! I don't care
I am saying I am scared. I am scared for my family
I am saying I want to do anything to protect them
Why does that make me disgusting and have zero respect for humanity.
It is amazing if someone can not be in fear. If that makes you a better person than me than so be it
But it is what I am. I am
Afraid.
Again, fear is dangerous.
Put yourself in the shoes of a syrian mother with her children trying to save their lives and being denied that everywhere you turned because you lived in the "wrong" country.
I'm also scared, but to not look at the bigger picture is scary too. ISIS wants us to fear letting these refugees in, so they are in their control.
No one is asking you to personally house these refugees, just give them a safe haven to have a chance at survival.
Also, the vetting process is extremely extensive and takes place before these people are even en route to the US.
Fear is also smart. We teach our children not to talk to strangers out of fear of kidnapping, we teach our children to look both ways before crossing a street for fear of getting hit by a car, we hopefully grow up to be street smart, so we can avoid dangerous situations.
Well this here is a potentially dangerous situation that I will allow my fear to get the best of. It has nothing to do with not leaving your house, it has nothing to do with building a shelter in your basement and never leaving because you are fearful. It has to do with my husband traveling into the city everyday and another terrorist attack happening, my mother traveling into the city every day and another terrorist attack happening, my brother, etc.... I want to protect my family, and if it means being selfish and sending refugees away at a time of heightened National security, than call me selfish and cold hearted, but my child, my husband, my mother, my brother, they come first.
The "me" mentality will only get you so far.
You are not safe now, sorry to say. Terrorists are here and giving some fellow humans a chance at surviving isn't going to change that.
So throw your hands up, let it become a free for all? Do you see what has happened in France, Sweden, and Germany? Have you watched videos of (Swedes, Germans) terrified locals after these refugees have taken over their neighborhoods? You see what is happening to the European women and children?
Point is, there may or may not be terrorists here but right now we are still a free country . All they need is numbers and it's over for us.
10,000 refugees are not going to take over the US. Sorry, not happening.
The vetting process for the US is much different than in Europe. We are not bringing millions of people over here and dumping them on the streets to fend for themselves. Once here, smaller groups of refugees are to be set up by various charities. In fact, catholic charities is supposedly going to set some of them up in Amityville. That is hardly a free for all.
People think hoardes of refugees will be filling the streets of america. That is not what would be happening. Good old fear without doing any actual research.
I've done my research, you should too. The last number I read was 100,000 to the US and you know that will never be the case. We shall see what happens, I don't have as much faith as some of you do.
As a PP stated, fear is smart. It keeps you alive, it's an instinct we have as humans for survival.
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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
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Posted by KGools
I'm so torn.
How can I try to teach my own children to help those in need if I won't do it myself?
I see pictures of those poor kids sleeping wherever they can; those who have lost their parents, the people who comfort them when they are scared and wonder how we can turn our backs.
But then there is the side of me who wants to protect and comfort my own children.
It stirs up a lot of emotion and confusion in me. I want to be a helper (ala Mr. Rogers - look for the helpers) for these people who literally have nothing and I don't want to let the fear of the possibility of terrorists crossing the border posing as a refugee get in the way.... but it's so hard.
Yup.
As a Jewish woman, the comparison in the OP really struck me. The USA sent hundreds of people back to a miserable situation and cost innocent people their lives. For the bulk of WWII, the US wouldn't make exceptions for Jewish refugees, and essentially trapped them in Europe. And I call BS that they were genuinely worried about a German spy among the Jewish refugees - I think the mid-century Americans didn't want too many of "those people" coming into their country, period. To see that archaic attitude repeat itself now is appalling.
But. I don't pretend to know the ins and outs of immigration, but I don't see how it's possible to to truly vet this quantity of people. I think it'd be too easy to slip into the country and start wrecking havoc. I'm not naive enough to feel safe now, but bringing in thousands of quickly-checked people into the city makes me feel even less so.
There's also the practical side to think about. NYC schools are busting at the seams and affordable housing is in very short supply. Job options are limited. Where are all these people going to live? Work? Educate their children? The DOE can hire more teachers and counselors, but they can't magically build more schools to accommodate a wave of new kids...
Yes agree on all counts.
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| Posted 11/18/15 1:53 PM |
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phoenix913
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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
I wanted to stay out of this thread but I can't.
I wanted to touch on a few points made by different posters, but the quoting thing is too hard for me, so I hope this makes sense.
I have read that refugees generally are not relocated to NYC because it is too expensive.
I get being worried about your family members and children, but honestly they are all more likely to die in a car accident or mass shooting perpetrated by an American citizen than a terrorist refugee. This is just an excuse to justify for your fear.
I get the fear. I really do. It makes me uneasy too. But what feels worse is watching other children suffer. I feel so blessed and grateful that my children are growing up with all the privileges and joys of childhood. And it makes me so sad that other children do not have those advantages.
As for the situation in Europe, all I can say is Europe is not America. There is a long history in Europe of racial/immigrant tensions. The Syrian situation is just making it all bubble up again. These are issues that have been around for hundreds of years and have never been fully addressed and reconciled. Europe really needs to take a long, hard look at themselves and work on racial harmony and the way they treat immigrants.
And do you really think that terrorists that want to come here are going to give up if we tell them no refugees allowed? I mean people are running over the Mexican border every single night. Do you think they don't know that? If someone is determined enough they will come. That's why I say we should help out those that are truly in awful situations and hope for the best.
I mean, geez, people are getting shot all day every day and we're still letting just about everyone run around with a gun...
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| Posted 11/18/15 2:11 PM |
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alli3131
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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
Posted by JennP
Posted by klingklang77
First off, I'm not saying anything that people are against Muslims if they don't want to let in Syrians. There are also Christian refugees (it doesn't matter what they are- they are humans).
By stopping refugees, ISIS (or Daesh Link gets what they want. It has been confirmed that the Syrian passport found at the attacks is questionable, most likely even false. An article I read mentioned an idea that it was placed there to promote fear, thereby keeping refugees in. The attackers were Belgian and French nationals.
Terrorists are going to get in regardless. They will get in legally. Screening procedures need to be very good, but you can't stop a whole group of people because of what has happened. People need to understand that refugees and terrorists are separate. The Paris attacks were not done by refugees.
God forbid that something horrible happened and we had to leave our country. But no one would help us because of the large amounts of mass shooters we have. We would pose a danger to their country. Then I guess we would be waiting to die. Just like the Syrian people are kind of doing.
I'm not saying let them all in. But we need to take more in. Frankly, I'm disappointed in world's response.
This is a good opinion piece:http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/18/refugees-paris-europe-enemy?CMP=fb_gu
Not to mention the terrorist in Paris so far were all European nationals....What everyone is failing to see is that the threat from the refugees is most likely minimal. They have people in this country already...most likely US citizens. They are recruiting from within the countries and not sending people in as much as we think.
I sat in a seminar with the AU version of the CIA 2 weeks ago and all their attacks have been home grown.
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