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Re: Texas
Posted by RainyDay
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Posted by RainyDay
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I might be late to the game but has anyone spoken about adoption? There is always that option in life and not just keeping the baby or having an abortion.
What are the statistics of American babies put up for adoption AND they are actually adopted? How many children grow up unwanted and never adopted? Then you have Republicans wanting to cut every type of public assistance so do these kids put up for adoption really ever get a chance at a good life. Let's be realistic here.
Well I can tell you that people are on waiting lists for adoptions. My cousins waited 10 years for a child from America. That is why people go outside America as they get children faster that way.
Did your cousin adopt an American child or from another country? How old was the child at time of adoption?
Yes, American and got the baby as soon as it was born.
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RainyDay
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Re: Texas
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by windyweather21
I might be late to the game but has anyone spoken about adoption? There is always that option in life and not just keeping the baby or having an abortion.
What are the statistics of American babies put up for adoption AND they are actually adopted? How many children grow up unwanted and never adopted? Then you have Republicans wanting to cut every type of public assistance so do these kids put up for adoption really ever get a chance at a good life. Let's be realistic here.
Well I can tell you that people are on waiting lists for adoptions. My cousins waited 10 years for a child from America. That is why people go outside America as they get children faster that way.
Did your cousin adopt an American child or from another country? How old was the child at time of adoption?
Yes, American and got the baby as soon as it was born.
Of course a newborn. Why didn't they adopt one of the many older kids sitting in Foster care waiting to adopted?
Adoption doesn't solve the issue.
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Re: Texas
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by windyweather21
I might be late to the game but has anyone spoken about adoption? There is always that option in life and not just keeping the baby or having an abortion.
What are the statistics of American babies put up for adoption AND they are actually adopted? How many children grow up unwanted and never adopted? Then you have Republicans wanting to cut every type of public assistance so do these kids put up for adoption really ever get a chance at a good life. Let's be realistic here.
Well I can tell you that people are on waiting lists for adoptions. My cousins waited 10 years for a child from America. That is why people go outside America as they get children faster that way.
Did your cousin adopt an American child or from another country? How old was the child at time of adoption?
Yes, American and got the baby as soon as it was born.
Of course a newborn. Why didn't they adopt one of the many older kids sitting in Foster care waiting to adopted?
Adoption doesn't solve the issue.
No clue as this was 40 years ago. Most people I know, who can’t have children adopt newborns or infants.
It is very sad for the older kids but I don’t think it is unusual for many to wait for a baby.
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RainyDay
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Re: Texas
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by windyweather21
I might be late to the game but has anyone spoken about adoption? There is always that option in life and not just keeping the baby or having an abortion.
What are the statistics of American babies put up for adoption AND they are actually adopted? How many children grow up unwanted and never adopted? Then you have Republicans wanting to cut every type of public assistance so do these kids put up for adoption really ever get a chance at a good life. Let's be realistic here.
Well I can tell you that people are on waiting lists for adoptions. My cousins waited 10 years for a child from America. That is why people go outside America as they get children faster that way.
Did your cousin adopt an American child or from another country? How old was the child at time of adoption?
Yes, American and got the baby as soon as it was born.
Of course a newborn. Why didn't they adopt one of the many older kids sitting in Foster care waiting to adopted?
Adoption doesn't solve the issue.
No clue as this was 40 years ago. Most people I know, who can’t have children adopt newborns or infants.
It is very sad for the older kids but I don’t think it is unusual for many to wait for a baby.
Message edited 9/11/2021 10:42:55 PM.
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lululu
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Re: Texas
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by windyweather21
I might be late to the game but has anyone spoken about adoption? There is always that option in life and not just keeping the baby or having an abortion.
What are the statistics of American babies put up for adoption AND they are actually adopted? How many children grow up unwanted and never adopted? Then you have Republicans wanting to cut every type of public assistance so do these kids put up for adoption really ever get a chance at a good life. Let's be realistic here.
Well I can tell you that people are on waiting lists for adoptions. My cousins waited 10 years for a child from America. That is why people go outside America as they get children faster that way.
Did your cousin adopt an American child or from another country? How old was the child at time of adoption?
Yes, American and got the baby as soon as it was born.
Of course a newborn. Why didn't they adopt one of the many older kids sitting in Foster care waiting to adopted?
Adoption doesn't solve the issue.
This argument is apples to oranges. The kids that are in foster care are typically not kids that the mother wanted an abortion and was unable to obtain a safe and legal abortion. Kids in foster care are usually there because of extenuating circumstances where parents can no longer care for their children. Adoption is a good alternative to abortion because clearly if you are seeking an abortion it is not only because you don't want to be pregnant, it's because you don't want to care for the child.
Also, it is not fair to question why someone adopting a child would want to adopt a baby soon after it is born. That's like asking someone without fertility problems why they decided to have their own baby instead of adopting a child through foster care.
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Mrs213
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Re: Texas
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by KarenK122
Every day this country is becoming more like Gilead. Blessed be the Fruit.
It is just disgraceful.
It really is. I now heard other states are looking to pass the same bill. WTF is going on.
I really hope everyone who is saying their rights are being taken away regarding covid are just as pissed about this. Cause this bill is out of control!
On the flip side, anybody who is upset about this should be just as upset about vaccine mandates.
I don’t think you can compare the two exactly. I think people’s views on when life begins play into that.
This is something I have always found interesting. It is fine to say that safe and accessible abortions might be necessary to our society, but I think it's strange to say that life doesn't begin at conception with all we know now through science. Obviously the life of the fetus depends on the life of the mother as well, but the fetus is clearly a living thing. Women's rights and the right to not want to host that life in your body is a different argument. So my point is, if it is against my rights to not want to have a fetus in body (one which by the way I most likely played a part in putting there in the first place) then certainly it is within my rights to not have to put a vaccine in my body.
I’m not really interested in a pro-life/choice debate, and I get what you are saying.
Deciding in what is viable is the issue of concern. It is within my rights to decide what is done with my body with regards to public health. If something is in my body (to me a ball of cells) that I do not want, it affects no one. If if I decide not to get a vaccine, then that affects public health to some degree (viral load, the public health Systeme, etc.).
And from there, I see a difference.
If you do any research you will see that even at the 6 week mark, a fetus is not just a ball of cells. I understand that you have never had children or undergone fertility treatments so perhaps that is what gives you the impression that it is just a ball of cells but I can assure you past the first few of weeks it is actually much more than that. I am just speaking scientifically. Once it moves past the blastocyst stage it's really no longer a "ball of cells" and that occurs at around 3 weeks after fertilization.
As for the public health issue - I think that you can go so far as to require people to wear masks, require people to quarantine and require people to test for diseases however I do not believe that people should be forced to inject something into their body that they are not comfortable with because of a public health issue.
I agree.
Also, abortion has gone from “safe, legal and rare” to “I’m not putting hormones in my body and I’m allergic to condoms.” It has literally become a form of birth control.
The stats provided for rape and incest are an extraordinarily small part of the picture used to deter people from the truth.
Where are you getting these stats? Show me the increased abortion rates and how the data supports that people are now using it as a form of birth control
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Re: Texas
Posted by Mrs213
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by KarenK122
Every day this country is becoming more like Gilead. Blessed be the Fruit.
It is just disgraceful.
It really is. I now heard other states are looking to pass the same bill. WTF is going on.
I really hope everyone who is saying their rights are being taken away regarding covid are just as pissed about this. Cause this bill is out of control!
On the flip side, anybody who is upset about this should be just as upset about vaccine mandates.
I don’t think you can compare the two exactly. I think people’s views on when life begins play into that.
This is something I have always found interesting. It is fine to say that safe and accessible abortions might be necessary to our society, but I think it's strange to say that life doesn't begin at conception with all we know now through science. Obviously the life of the fetus depends on the life of the mother as well, but the fetus is clearly a living thing. Women's rights and the right to not want to host that life in your body is a different argument. So my point is, if it is against my rights to not want to have a fetus in body (one which by the way I most likely played a part in putting there in the first place) then certainly it is within my rights to not have to put a vaccine in my body.
I’m not really interested in a pro-life/choice debate, and I get what you are saying.
Deciding in what is viable is the issue of concern. It is within my rights to decide what is done with my body with regards to public health. If something is in my body (to me a ball of cells) that I do not want, it affects no one. If if I decide not to get a vaccine, then that affects public health to some degree (viral load, the public health Systeme, etc.).
And from there, I see a difference.
If you do any research you will see that even at the 6 week mark, a fetus is not just a ball of cells. I understand that you have never had children or undergone fertility treatments so perhaps that is what gives you the impression that it is just a ball of cells but I can assure you past the first few of weeks it is actually much more than that. I am just speaking scientifically. Once it moves past the blastocyst stage it's really no longer a "ball of cells" and that occurs at around 3 weeks after fertilization.
As for the public health issue - I think that you can go so far as to require people to wear masks, require people to quarantine and require people to test for diseases however I do not believe that people should be forced to inject something into their body that they are not comfortable with because of a public health issue.
I agree.
Also, abortion has gone from “safe, legal and rare” to “I’m not putting hormones in my body and I’m allergic to condoms.” It has literally become a form of birth control.
The stats provided for rape and incest are an extraordinarily small part of the picture used to deter people from the truth.
Where are you getting these stats? Show me the increased abortion rates and how the data supports that people are now using it as a form of birth control
She cannot provide those stats because her assertion is flat out wrong and there is no data to support what she's said. Abortion rates have steadily been declining year over year. Those are the facts.
ABORTION RATES ON A STEADY DECLINE YEAR OVER YEAR
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"And yet, no matter who’s counting, abortion rates have fallen. The Guttmacher Institute, which surveys healthcare facilities directly, estimates 13.5 abortions per 1,000 women of reproductive age in 2017, down from a peak of 29.3 in the early 1980s."
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ABORTION RATES ON THE DECLINE
Message edited 9/15/2021 8:46:29 AM.
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