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Leb
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Tenant Question
Here is some background;
We have a tenant and she has rented from us for 3.5 years. She is a great tenant, pays on time and is clean and quiet.
We found her from a broker and at the time I felt the broker listed our apt at a lower price then what it should have been (market price), but I went along with it.
It is in an awesome area, super desirable, two bedrooms (she lives alone), and you cannot find anything similar without paying $200-$500 more.
DH and I used to live downstairs (2 family house) until we moved, that apt is only a one bedroom, but a bit bigger, nicer, with a w/d. We get $550 more a month from that new tenant.
Both tenants pay their own utilities.
So now the question. We haven't raised her rent one time in 3.5 years, this Febuary we found out our taxes and home owners went up $200 more a month, so it is harder for us especially since we are in a new house with a new mortgage.
I would like to raise her rent, but my questions are; Is this fair? How much do I raise it by? If I raise by $100 she is still underpaying and getting an awesome deal (I wouldn't raise it more than $100). Do I mention it's because of taxes going up? And finally how long of a notice do I give her, 30 days? 60 days?
If she chose to leave over the rent increase I honestly would probably be happy in a way because I know we can get a way higher rent by a new person.
fyi - when we posted our other apt we had 4 full price offers in 3 days. One person didn't even come see it, it just happens to be a desirable area and the house is beautiful on the outside and inside.
What should I do? Thanks and sorry soooo long! DH is scared she'll leave, but I feel we need the extra money.
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Posted 3/29/12 10:22 AM |
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MrsO
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Re: Tenant Question
I would raise the rent especially since you have not raised it all. I think a raise of 3-5% is acceptable.
Remember even if you are in a desirable area you can get stuck with a horrible tenant and an easy tenant is always worth the discount for piece of mind. So be gentle with the increase.
Good Luck it is tough being a landlord
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Posted 3/29/12 10:31 AM |
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DMT
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Re: Tenant Question
Posted by MrsO
Remember even if you are in a desirable area you can get stuck with a horrible tenant and an easy tenant is always worth the discount for piece of mind. So be gentle with the increase.
I agree 100%. You have a great tenant. I would not raise it that much at all. A small increase is fine, but a good tenant is VERY hard to come by!
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Posted 3/29/12 10:35 AM |
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jilliibabii
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Re: Tenant Question
I would raise it. I rent and my landlady raised it after being there for 2 years. It was raised by $100. She's still getting a deal!
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Posted 3/29/12 11:14 AM |
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tara73
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Re: Tenant Question
It's acceptable to raise the rent. If she has been a good tenant for you then take that into consideration.
And give her plenty of notice. I would do 60 days to be on the safe side.
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Posted 3/29/12 12:43 PM |
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LittleDiva
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Re: Tenant Question
i would raise it, chances are she knows shes getting a great deal and isnt going to leave. and like you said, if she does you can find someone who will pay more.
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Posted 3/29/12 1:43 PM |
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Leb
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Re: Tenant Question
Is it appropriate to mention that "due to a tax increase" or no?
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Posted 3/29/12 1:44 PM |
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luvmyReese
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Re: Tenant Question
Do you have a lease? Usually its a 2yr lease with the rent locked in for those 2 yrs. After that time is up you can raise it for whatever you feel fit & lock in for another 2yrs .. so on and so on (this was what I did when I rented). If no lease I would give her 2 mnts notice that you will be raising the rent $*** for next year (so when next yr comes you can raise if need be). You might want to have her sign a lease so your both on same page and avoid a dispute later on. She sounds a lilke a good tenant and they are hard to come by but you also shl'dnt feel bad raising rent.
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Posted 3/29/12 2:02 PM |
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Leb
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Re: Tenant Question
Posted by luvmyReese
Do you have a lease? Usually its a 2yr lease with the rent locked in for those 2 yrs. After that time is up you can raise it for whatever you feel fit & lock in for another 2yrs .. so on and so on (this was what I did when I rented). If no lease I would give her 2 mnts notice that you will be raising the rent $*** for next year (so when next yr comes you can raise if need be). You might want to have her sign a lease so your both on same page and avoid a dispute later on. She sounds a lilke a good tenant and they are hard to come by but you also shl'dnt feel bad raising rent.
We had a lease and it was a one year lease which has since expired, we told her she can leave whenever she wants but we need 30 days notice. We are very flexible.
I do feel bad raising the rent! Our last tenant was there for 4 years and we only raised it once $50. I guess in the past we didn't really need the money so much, but now with the tax increase and living in a new house every bit helps.
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Posted 3/29/12 2:10 PM |
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marianne13
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Re: Tenant Question
I would raise it $100 and mention that your taxes went up. I don't really think you have to give an explanation but if you want to, then that is fine. And I would give 30 days notice.
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Posted 3/29/12 2:11 PM |
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Hope2009
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Re: Tenant Question
I would raise it $100 like you said you can always get more for the apt. The only thing is finding a good tenant.
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Posted 3/29/12 2:22 PM |
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LMFitz
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Re: Tenant Question
I told my tenants that the taxes had gone up, and by how much (it was over $2500).
I explained that I'd raise the rent by $100 this year, and gave them 60 days notice. At the same time, I told them that the rent would again increase by another $100 in 12 months.
Gave them time to plan, they understood the situation, and they appreciated my transparency. They stayed - and it's been 5 years since then and I've subsequently raised it again.
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Posted 3/29/12 2:32 PM |
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Re: Tenant Question
Posted by LMFitz
I told my tenants that the taxes had gone up, and by how much (it was over $2500).
I explained that I'd raise the rent by $100 this year, and gave them 60 days notice. At the same time, I told them that the rent would again increase by another $100 in 12 months.
Gave them time to plan, they understood the situation, and they appreciated my transparency. They stayed - and it's been 5 years since then and I've subsequently raised it again.
I agree with this approach. To me, there is no downside to giving an explanation as to why the rent is going up. I think it makes it more palatable to any tenant to know where you are coming from. Basically, in any negotiation, it always helps to make the other side understand your point of view and the rationale for your position.
If I were you, I'd say how much you appreciate her as a tenant and hope to keep her (if you do, in fact, want that), but your expenses/taxes have gone up, so you will need to raise the rent $100.
I know you said it might be better if she goes, because you can get more money for the apartment. But I agree with what others have said -- it's VERY hard to find good, financially qualified tenants. So if you have one who pays on time and treats the property with respect, you probably want to try to keep her!
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Posted 3/29/12 4:14 PM |
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CSK
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Re: Tenant Question
1) definately metnion that you've tried to hold the rent stable for the past 3.5 years since she is such a good tenant.
2) Mention that the taxes went up, but if you tie your only increase too much to 1 thing happening, are you ever going to be able to raise again? Maybe something like "taxes and insurance have been going up gradually and I haven't beeen passing on the additonal expense but this year it happened even moreso, we're going to raise the rent to X.
3) Don't ever wait 3.5 years to have a rent increase unless that rental market really sucks. The incerase you're going to get at that point won't be enough for you to cover yourself. You want to raise it 400, but know that there is no way you can. if you raised it 25-100 each year depending on how much below market, she wouldn't have felt it sting much. or for that matter raise every other year 75-100.
costs go up gradually and eventually when you figure out that you are getting a bad deal b/c you're undercharging her, you can't fix it without dumping your great tenant to get a real market value adjustment.
Message edited 3/29/2012 8:21:49 PM.
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Posted 3/29/12 8:18 PM |
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ave1024
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Re: Tenant Question
I don't know your financial situation but honestly in this situation I would just let her be, especially since you have more than one tenant.
When she decides to move, then raise the rent appropriately for the new tenant.
A good paying, no problems tenant is worth a discount (as PP said). And unless you have a legal two family with the proper permits filed with the town, you want to stay under the radar as much as you can. All it takes is one tenant (or neighbor) to make a phone call and that could lead to big issues.
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Posted 3/29/12 8:36 PM |
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Leb
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Re: Tenant Question
Posted by ave1024
I don't know your financial situation but honestly in this situation I would just let her be, especially since you have more than one tenant.
When she decides to move, then raise the rent appropriately for the new tenant.
A good paying, no problems tenant is worth a discount (as PP said). And unless you have a legal two family with the proper permits filed with the town, you want to stay under the radar as much as you can. All it takes is one tenant (or neighbor) to make a phone call and that could lead to big issues.
Oh it is a legal 2 family house, downstairs is one apt and upstairs is another. It is filed with the town and completely legit. And since it was DH and my "home" for 7.5 years it is well maintained, beautiful, and considered "luxury".
Having 2 tenants was something we had always planned to do knowing one day we would eventually buy a house and we are lucky for the income because it goes to help pay our new mortgage.
No we don't NEED the increase to live, but when we lived in the house we didn't want her to move because she was upstairs from us, never home, super quiet...Now that we aren't in the house I guess I am thinking differently.
I am going to raise her rent maybe $75-$100. I need to think about it a little. And I decided to give her 60 days. So maybe June 1st.
Thanks for your help. I am not usually the type to fight over money, but as a land lord probably should learn to be.
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Posted 3/30/12 1:13 PM |
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lovemyfamily88
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Re: Tenant Question
Posted by Leb
Posted by ave1024
I don't know your financial situation but honestly in this situation I would just let her be, especially since you have more than one tenant.
When she decides to move, then raise the rent appropriately for the new tenant.
A good paying, no problems tenant is worth a discount (as PP said). And unless you have a legal two family with the proper permits filed with the town, you want to stay under the radar as much as you can. All it takes is one tenant (or neighbor) to make a phone call and that could lead to big issues.
Oh it is a legal 2 family house, downstairs is one apt and upstairs is another. It is filed with the town and completely legit. And since it was DH and my "home" for 7.5 years it is well maintained, beautiful, and considered "luxury".
Having 2 tenants was something we had always planned to do knowing one day we would eventually buy a house and we are lucky for the income because it goes to help pay our new mortgage.
No we don't NEED the increase to live, but when we lived in the house we didn't want her to move because she was upstairs from us, never home, super quiet...Now that we aren't in the house I guess I am thinking differently.
I am going to raise her rent maybe $75-$100. I need to think about it a little. And I decided to give her 60 days. So maybe June 1st.
Thanks for your help. I am not usually the type to fight over money, but as a land lord probably should learn to be.
If you dont need the extra money, then why do it. Good tenants are very hard to come by. Why risk her leaving. Yes you can get more money if she does, but you can also get someone that destroys your beautiful well maintained apartment.
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Posted 3/30/12 1:38 PM |
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