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Lactivists: Where is it OK to breastfeed?
Babytalk magazine generates controversy with nursing cover

Thursday, July 27, 2006; Posted: 10:23 p.m. EDT (02:23 GMT)


This cover of Babytalk incited more than 700 letters to the editor, a record for the magazine.
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Manage Alerts | What Is This? NEW YORK (AP) -- "I was SHOCKED to see a giant breast on the cover of your magazine," one person wrote. "I immediately turned the magazine face down," wrote another. "Gross," said a third.

These readers weren't complaining about a sexually explicit cover, but rather one of a baby nursing, on a wholesome parenting magazine -- yet another sign that Americans are squeamish over the sight of a nursing breast, even as breast-feeding itself gains more support from the government and medical community.

Babytalk is a free magazine whose readership is overwhelmingly mothers of babies. Yet in a poll of more than 4,000 readers, a quarter of responses to the cover were negative, calling the photo -- a baby and part of a woman's breast, in profile -- inappropriate.

One mother who didn't like the cover explains she was concerned about her 13-year-old son seeing it.

"I shredded it," said Gayle Ash, of Belton, Texas, in a telephone interview. "A breast is a breast -- it's a sexual thing. He didn't need to see that."

It's the same reason that Ash, 41, who nursed all three of her children, is cautious about breast-feeding in public -- a subject of enormous debate among women, which has even spawned a new term: "lactivists," meaning those who advocate for a woman's right to nurse wherever she needs to.

"I'm totally supportive of it -- I just don't like the flashing," she said. "I don't want my son or husband to accidentally see a breast they didn't want to see."

Another mother, Kelly Wheatley, wrote Babytalk to applaud the cover, precisely because, she said, it helps educate people that breasts are more than sex objects. And yet Wheatley, 40, who's still nursing her 3-year-old daughter, rarely breast-feeds in public, partly because it's more comfortable in the car, and partly because her husband is uncomfortable with other men seeing her breast.

"Men are very visual," said Wheatley, of Amarillo, Texas. "When they see a woman's breast, they see a breast -- regardless of what it's being used for."

Babytalk editor Susan Kane says the mixed response to the cover clearly echoes the larger debate over breast-feeding in public. "There's a huge Puritanical streak in Americans," she said, "and there's a squeamishness about seeing a body part -- even part of a body part."

"It's not like women are whipping them out with tassels on them," she added. "Mostly, they are trying to be discreet."

Kane said that since the August issue came out last week, the magazine has received more than 700 letters -- more than for any article in years.

"Gross, I am sick of seeing a baby attached to a boob," wrote Lauren, a mother of a 4-month-old.

The evidence of public discomfort isn't just anecdotal. In a survey published in 2004 by the American Dietetic Association, less than half -- 43 percent -- of 3,719 respondents said women should have the right to breast-feed in public places.

The debate rages at a time when the celebrity-mom phenomenon has made breast-feeding perhaps more public than ever. Gwyneth Paltrow, Brooke Shields, Kate Hudson and Kate Beckinsale are only a few of the stars who've talked openly about their nursing experiences.

The celeb factor has even brought a measure of chic to that unsexiest of garments: the nursing bra. Gwen Stefani can be seen on babyrazzi.com -- a site with a self-explanatory name -- sporting a leopard-print version from lingerie line Agent Provocateur.

And fellow moms recognized a white one under Angelina Jolie's tank top on the cover of People. (Katie Holmes, meanwhile, suffered a maternity wardrobe malfunction when cameras caught her, nursing bra open and peeking out of her shirt, while on the town with fiance Tom Cruise.)

More seriously, the social and medical debate has intensified. The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services recently concluded a two-year breast-feeding awareness campaign including a TV ad -- criticized as over-the-top even by some breast-feeding advocates -- in which not breast-feeding was equated with the recklessness of a pregnant woman riding a mechanical bull.

There have been other measures to promote breast-feeding: In December, for example, Massachusetts banned hospitals from giving new mothers gift bags with free infant formula, a practice opponents said swayed some women away from nursing.

Most states now have laws guaranteeing the right to breast-feed where one chooses, and when a store or restaurant employee denies a woman that right, it has often resulted in public protests known as "nurse-ins": at a Starbucks in Miami, Florida, at Victoria's Secret stores in Racine, Wisconsin, and Boston, Massachusetts, and, last year, outside ABC headquarters in New York, when Barbara Walters made comments on "The View" seen by some women to denigrate breast-feeding in public.

"It's a new age," says Melinda Johnson, a registered dietitian and spokesperson for ADA. "With the government really getting behind breast-feeding, it's been a jumping-off point for mothers to be politically active. Mommies are organizing. It's a new trend to be a mommy activist."

Ultimately, it seems to be a highly personal matter. Caly Wood said she's "all for breast-feeding in public." She recalls with a shudder the time she sat nursing in a restaurant booth, and another woman walked by, glanced over and said, "Ugh, gross."

"My kid needed to eat," said the 29-year-old from South Abingdon, Massachusetts. And she wasn't going to go hide in a not-so-clean restroom: "I don't send people to the bathroom when they want to eat," she said.

But Rebekah Kreutz thinks differently. One of six women who author SisterhoodSix, a blog on mothering issues, Kreutz didn't nurse her two daughters in public and doesn't really feel comfortable seeing others do it.

"I respect it and think women have the right," says Kreutz, 34, of Bozeman, Montana. "But personally, it makes me really uncomfortable."

"I just think it's one of those moments that should stay between a mother and her child."



WOW - so women can be HALF NAKED on the cover of Maxim magazine and the like, but a pic of a mother breastfeeding her child on the cover is "gross"???? Chat Icon Chat Icon

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Posted 7/28/06 10:16 PM
 

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i get this mag and they wrote all about how they figuted people would respond inside......i found it helpful and interesting to read!

Posted 7/28/06 10:16 PM
 

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Re: Spinoff to Would you be offended..

I guess I have differing opinions.

Yes, if it's okay to have exposed breasts on the cover of other magazines, than it should be okay to have exposed breats whlie breastfeeding on magazines.

However, I do feel differently about breastfeeding in public. I just feel that it's one of those things that should be done in private. Just like having sex, urinating, (and you know the other thing I'm thinking) should be done in private- not in a public place in front of an audience.

Posted 7/28/06 10:24 PM
 

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Give me a break - don't people have better things to do with their time that right asinine letters! Breast feeding is not sexual and is benefitial for a baby. Oh wait, let me feed my child something manufactured so that no one gets offended Chat Icon ! Some people need to get a clue.

Posted 7/28/06 10:26 PM
 

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I think the people who complained about that cover are ridiculous.
There is nothing wrong with breastfeeding in public. If you don't like it then don't look. No breastfeeding mom really wants you looking at her anyway. Go about your business. Most moms cover up as best they can and don't walk around with their boob hanging out all exposed. This debate is assinine!
There is nothing gross or sexual or dirty about breastfeeding that should make it need to be done in private. I just don't get it. It so accepted and supported in other countries but here we have to cover up and feel ashamed for nourishing our babies when they need it.
I will never forget the stupid comparison someone made on another forum "I wouldn't change my kids diaper in the middle of a department store so people shouldnn't be allowed to breastfeed"? How does feeding a baby and changing a poop diaper have anything in common?Chat Icon

Posted 7/28/06 10:34 PM
 

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Ahh look where the complaints are from middle America...red state heavenChat Icon

Posted 7/28/06 10:35 PM
 

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I didn't bother reading through the article now because it will only annoy me.
And I'm sorry, but I'm highly annoyed by the comparison of breastfeeding to urinating, deficating and sexual intercourse. I guess we should all eat under a blanket or in a dressing room.

Posted 7/28/06 10:39 PM
 

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I didn't bother reading through the article now because it will only annoy me.
And I'm sorry, but I'm highly annoyed by the comparison of breastfeeding to urinating, deficating and sexual intercourse. I guess we should all eat under a blanket or in a dressing room.



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Posted by monkeybride

I think the people who complained about that cover are ridiculous.
There is nothing wrong with breastfeeding in public. If you don't like it then don't look. No breastfeeding mom really wants you looking at her anyway. Go about your business. Most moms cover up as best they can and don't walk around with their boob hanging out all exposed. This debate is assinine!
There is nothing gross or sexual or dirty about breastfeeding that should make it need to be done in private. I just don't get it. It so accepted and supported in other countries but here we have to cover up and feel ashamed for nourishing our babies when they need it.
I will never forget the stupid comparison someone made on another forum "I wouldn't change my kids diaper in the middle of a department store so people shouldnn't be allowed to breastfeed"? How does feeding a baby and changing a poop diaper have anything in common?Chat Icon




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Suven-

Not exactly sure how you can compare BFing in public... to having sex and urinating?

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Posted 7/28/06 10:40 PM
 

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Re: Spinoff to Would you be offended..

Posted by suvenR

However, I do feel differently about breastfeeding in public. I just feel that it's one of those things that should be done in private. Just like having sex, urinating, (and you know the other thing I'm thinking) should be done in private- not in a public place in front of an audience.




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Posted 7/28/06 10:42 PM
 

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Suven-

Not exactly sure how you can compare BFing in public... to having sex and urinating?



I stated that these are things that I believe should be done in private. I did not say that BF=sex=urinating. I listed them as things that I believe should be done in private and that's my opinion.

Posted 7/28/06 10:44 PM
 

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Suven-

Not exactly sure how you can compare BFing in public... to having sex and urinating?



I stated that these are things that I believe should be done in private. I did not say that BF=sex=urinating. I listed them as things that I believe should be done in private and that's my opinion.




Maybe you will think differently when you are a mother and realize there is nothing that needs to be private about feeding your baby but maybe not. You are entitled to your opinion.

Posted 7/28/06 10:46 PM
 

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Posted by monkeybride


Maybe you will think differently when you are a mother and realize there is nothing that needs to be private about feeding your baby but maybe not. You are entitled to your opinion.



It's funny that you mentioned that because in my most recent reply I typed

"I know the next statement will be: you'll feel differently when you have kids" but then I deleted it because I wasn't sure if we were going to take that direction with this thread.

Nope, I don't think I'll feel differently. It's just not something I'd feel comfortable doing in public.

Posted 7/28/06 10:49 PM
 

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Re: Spinoff to Would you be offended..

Just out of curiosity-

If a mother and child are out- and the baby has got to eat- what is she supposed to do?

Posted 7/28/06 10:51 PM
 

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Posted by Princessmaris

Just out of curiosity-

If a mother and child are out- and the baby has got to eat- what is she supposed to do?




I'm assuming this one's for me since I'm the only dissenting opinion on the thread Chat Icon

If it were me, I'd go somewhere in private. If I were close enough to home, I'd go home. Or, I'd go to a private restroom or my car. I would not go somewhere with my baby without being prepared to change or feed the baby in private area.

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Posted by Princessmaris

Just out of curiosity-

If a mother and child are out- and the baby has got to eat- what is she supposed to do?




I'm assuming this one's for me since I'm the only dissenting opinion on the thread Chat Icon

If it were me, I'd go somewhere in private. If I were close enough to home, I'd go home. Or, I'd go to a private restroom or my car. I would not go somewhere with my baby without being prepared to change or feed the baby in private area.




That all makes sense if that is how you the BF mother feels more comfortable- (except for the restroom thing-you dont eat in the bathroom-then why should your baby?) but is this what you expect all BFing moms to do??? ( im not being snotty- Im just curious if you are stating your views as if you were the mother- and on how you feel more cozy- or if this is what you expect of all BFing moms)

Posted 7/28/06 10:58 PM
 

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I think everyone is entitled to their opinion and no one should be judged for it. It is a personal opinion and at least Suven was honest enough to share with us how she feels. I think a lot of times people just tend to agree with what everyone else is posting for "fear" of being singled out and flamed.

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Posted by MABLE03

I think everyone is intitled to their opinion and no one should be judged for it. It is a personal opinion and at least Suven was honest enough to share with us how she feels. I think alot of times people just tend to agree with what everyone else is posting for "fear" of being singled out and flamed.



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sue - i totally respect your opinion about feeling that it's a more private thing for you! totally get that, and totally get that you were in no way comparing BF=sex=urinating...

i guess what bothers me most about the article is how some women actually considered BF gross???? THAT i don't get...

women have been bf since the beginning of time...

it's how our bodies were made....
its actually amazing when you think about it...how the human body is capable of producing such an excellent source of nutrients for newborns to help them grow and develop, especially when it comes to their immune system...

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Posted by suvenR


If it were me, I'd go somewhere in private. If I were close enough to home, I'd go home. Or, I'd go to a private restroom or my car. I would not go somewhere with my baby without being prepared to change or feed the baby in private area.



I can totally understand you feeling that way, and honestly, if you feel that way now, you'll probably still feel that way after having a baby, and that's totally fine.
I just don't think that a mother should HAVE TO do that. She should be able to breastfeed her baby anywhere, anytime she needs to. It's the most natural thing in the world to do. It's what our bodies were made to do.
I've realized after having my own child that this society is so ANTI-mother. We're all expected to handle mothering on our own and pick-up right after birth and be fine. That old saying, "It takes a village", well, it does. And it just upsets me that the natural things in life are frowned upon, but 13 year old girls are walking around the mall with their thongs hanging out and their ta tas hanging out. THAT'S acceptable, but a breastfeeding mother isn't?

(suven, not to say that you were saying any of this, I just went off on my own tangent there!)

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That all makes sense if that is how you the BF mother feels more comfortable- (except for the restroom thing-you dont eat in the bathroom-then why should your baby?) but is this what you expect all BFing moms to do??? ( im not being snotty- Im just curious if you are stating your views as if you were the mother- and on how you feel more cozy- or if this is what you expect of all BFing moms)



I meant a bathroom with a nursing area (but I know I didn't type that before)

For myself- yes, I would absolutely BF in private (assuming that one day I have a child and even decide to BF)

As for others, well, that's harder to answer. Do I think that 100% of the time, each and EVERY woman BF in private? I guess not because that just might not be possible- especially if there's some sort of emergency situation.

But, I also don't think that bare-breasted public BFing should be a common, accepted thing either.

Posted 7/28/06 11:03 PM
 

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in sue's defense, she wasn't stating that's what ALL BF mom's should do - just what SHE would do if she were to BF her child when the time came...at least that's how i took it.

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in sue's defense, she wasn't stating that's what ALL BF mom's should do - just what SHE would do if she were to BF her child when the time came...at least that's how i took it.

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Maybe you will think differently when you are a mother and realize there is nothing that needs to be private about feeding your baby but maybe not. You are entitled to your opinion.



It's funny that you mentioned that because in my most recent reply I typed

"I know the next statement will be: you'll feel differently when you have kids" but then I deleted it because I wasn't sure if we were going to take that direction with this thread.

Nope, I don't think I'll feel differently. It's just not something I'd feel comfortable doing in public.



I didn't mean that in a negative way. I just know my feelings on ALOT of things changed once I had my daughter, things I thought I would never change my stand on. You may never change your mind and that's fine too.
You are completely entitled to feel how you feel and if the time comes for you to BF you can do it in private if that's what you choose and are able to plan for but I don't think mothers should be forced to nurse their baby in private.
IMO there is nothing gross about breastfeeding. It is the most beautiful, natural thing that a mother can share with their child and their is no reason any woman should feel ashamed or be made to feel like she has to hide to feed her child.

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