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Re: spinoff to smoking (sorry if this was already posted) New York City Law Would Extend Smoking Ban to Public Parks and Beaches
until its illegal, smokers do/should have rights.
You also have every right to walk away.
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Re: spinoff to smoking (sorry if this was already posted) New York City Law Would Extend Smoking Ban to Public Parks and Beaches
Posted by METLove2008
As someone who is highly allergic to cigarette smoke, in addition to a ton of other things, I would love it if they did this.
I don't think people shouldn't have the right to smoke... but if they could find a way to designate better smoking areas then that would really help.
I think people should be able to do what they want to their own bodies as long as it doesn't affect other people. It's a little unfair to me when I have to walk through a cloud of smoke to get somewhere... and then have to go to the doctor because of the allergic reaction.
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Re: spinoff to smoking (sorry if this was already posted) New York City Law Would Extend Smoking Ban to Public Parks and Beaches
I would also like to add that in a study done by Stanford, yes, there is a significant increase in exposure if you are two feet from smoker...however, the same study found that if you are 6+ feet away that the levels are no longer harmful, and you are not exposted to anymore airborne chemicals than normal. So you only have to be the length of ONE person away for it to not have dangerous levels of toxins or chemicals.
If a smoker or anyone comes over and stands within two feet of you in a giant open air park, thats just weird and creepy anyway.
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Re: spinoff to smoking (sorry if this was already posted) New York City Law Would Extend Smoking Ban to Public Parks and Beaches
Posted by eddiesmommy
until its illegal, smokers do/should have rights.
You also have every right to walk away.
by why should non smokers be the ones to walk away? why not the smokers who want to lite up be the ones to walk away???
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Re: spinoff to smoking (sorry if this was already posted) New York City Law Would Extend Smoking Ban to Public Parks and Beaches
I'm all for it. ban it where ever you wish. Doesn't bother me at all.
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Re: spinoff to smoking (sorry if this was already posted) New York City Law Would Extend Smoking Ban to Public Parks and Beaches
Posted by eddiesmommy
until its illegal, smokers do/should have rights.
You also have every right to walk away.
Yes, smokers have rights - like the right to smoke where it is permitted. I can't just open up a bottle of Jack Daniels in the middle of a park and drink it. As an adult over 21, though, I have a right to drink if I want to -- where it is permitted. And the local governments have the right to dictate where such behaviors can take place.
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Re: spinoff to smoking (sorry if this was already posted) New York City Law Would Extend Smoking Ban to Public Parks and Beaches
Def. Ban it, and enforce and fine any Butts thrown on the floor or out the window a few hundred bucks, which we know NY Could use.
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Re: spinoff to smoking (sorry if this was already posted) New York City Law Would Extend Smoking Ban to Public Parks and Beaches
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Posted by eddiesmommy
until its illegal, smokers do/should have rights.
You also have every right to walk away.
by why should non smokers be the ones to walk away? why not the smokers who want to lite up be the ones to walk away???
youre operating under the assumption that all smokers are inconsiderate and thats not the case, in fact the vast majority are not and are understanding to how it makes others uncomfortable.
Smoking isnt the problem, inconsiderate people are the problem. You shouldnt crucify an entire population of people bc there are a few @ssholes.....where does that stop then?
People drink and get in their cars ALL THE TIME and they pose a FAR GREATER health hazard, than standing less than 6 ft from a smoker (the "danger zone") but yet its not illegal to drink.
Again, its inconsiderate people that are the issue, not smokers in general.
Plus, if you are bothered by the smoke that much, they why wouldnt you move? Would you stand your ground and be uncomfortable just bc you feel you shouldnt have to move? Not to mention, I didnt say you HAD to move, I said you had the option too.
If Im squished in a subway car on a hot summer day and someone has BO that is making me gag, Im going to move, even though that person is the one that smells. If Im at a bar, and there is a belligerent drunk person seated next to me, I dont ask them to please go somewhere else, I move. If Im seated next to a talker in a movie, I dont ask them to go sit somewhere else, I just move.
We are NOT talking about in enclosed confined spaces, entrances to buildings, we are talking about in an open air park, and apparently smokers in their own cars.
Part of the price you pay for living in a free nation, is to have to put up with other people and their habits, whether you like them or not.
This is just too far reaching. Its not like its not ventilated OUTSIDE.
Normal, considerate smokers, are not against this bc they want to have the right to stand within two feet of you and blow cigarette smoke in your face. There are also a great # of non-smokers who are also against it with us smokers bc it is simply too far reaching.
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Re: spinoff to smoking (sorry if this was already posted) New York City Law Would Extend Smoking Ban to Public Parks and Beaches
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until its illegal, smokers do/should have rights.
You also have every right to walk away.
by why should non smokers be the ones to walk away? why not the smokers who want to lite up be the ones to walk away???
youre operating under the assumption that all smokers are inconsiderate and thats not the case, in fact the vast majority are not and are understanding to how it makes others uncomfortable.
Smoking isnt the problem, inconsiderate people are the problem. You shouldnt crucify an entire population of people bc there are a few @ssholes.....where does that stop then?
People drink and get in their cars ALL THE TIME and they pose a FAR GREATER health hazard, than standing less than 6 ft from a smoker (the "danger zone") but yet its not illegal to drink.
Again, its inconsiderate people that are the issue, not smokers in general.
Plus, if you are bothered by the smoke that much, they why wouldnt you move? Would you stand your ground and be uncomfortable just bc you feel you shouldnt have to move? Not to mention, I didnt say you HAD to move, I said you had the option too.
If Im squished in a subway car on a hot summer day and someone has BO that is making me gag, Im going to move, even though that person is the one that smells. If Im at a bar, and there is a belligerent drunk person seated next to me, I dont ask them to please go somewhere else, I move. If Im seated next to a talker in a movie, I dont ask them to go sit somewhere else, I just move.
We are NOT talking about in enclosed confined spaces, entrances to buildings, we are talking about in an open air park, and apparently smokers in their own cars.
Part of the price you pay for living in a free nation, is to have to put up with other people and their habits, whether you like them or not.
This is just too far reaching. Its not like its not ventilated OUTSIDE.
ITA. And I get everyones point, but to place these sort of bans is just getting rediculous and scary...what are they going to ban next? I feel like this is one of the first steps to a restricted world rather than free world. I heard this morning that they are beginning to test out "quiet cars" on the NJ transit. Ok good its nice for people to want silence on their commutes and FOR NOW its only the first and last car of the train...but really before we know it, its going to be in all cars....just like this smoking ban is going to end up creating a smoke free world. And I get how gross second hand smoke is,....but theres alot of times we are inhaling worse fumes from cars in traffic or from a buildings exhaust and the government is not focusing on those issues.
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Re: spinoff to smoking (sorry if this was already posted) New York City Law Would Extend Smoking Ban to Public Parks and Beaches
I am confused. If spitting on someone can get you sued or worse, why can't blowing carcinogenic smoke on them, whether you're allowed to be smoking in that spot or not?
Anyone who breathes in someone else's smoke is irreparably harmed--from babies to old people, and yet people smoke without regard for who breathes the smoke in.....
30 years from now, when even more is revealed about what we allow to be done to us and to our children, we will look back at the concept of "smokers' rights" and shake our heads.
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Re: spinoff to smoking (sorry if this was already posted) New York City Law Would Extend Smoking Ban to Public Parks and Beaches
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I am confused. If spitting on someone can get you sued or worse, why can't blowing carcinogenic smoke on them, whether you're allowed to be smoking in that spot or not?
Anyone who breathes in someone else's smoke is irreparably harmed--from babies to old people, and yet people smoke without regard for who breathes the smoke in.....
30 years from now, when even more is revealed about what we allow to be done to us and to our children, we will look back at the concept of "smokers' rights" and shake our heads.
I think the difference lies in that it is a DIRECT act towards a person. Smokers cannot control the wind. Now if someone went up to you and purposefully blew smoke right into your face, then we are comparing apples to apples.
Should we also be able to sue all trucking companies, all people who burn coal and pollute the air we breathe, should I be able to sue my neighbor who drives a hummer bc they emit more carbon? This is my point, where does it end?
At least you can get away from a smoker, you cannot change the air quality as it exists in the atmosphere.
We are talking about SIX feet, once you are 6+ feet away, you are no longer in a danger zone. You have to be within 6 feet for it to pose any danger to you.
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Re: spinoff to smoking (sorry if this was already posted) New York City Law Would Extend Smoking Ban to Public Parks and Beaches
Posted by METLove2008
As someone who is highly allergic to cigarette smoke, in addition to a ton of other things, I would love it if they did this.
I don't think people shouldn't have the right to smoke... but if they could find a way to designate better smoking areas then that would really help.
I think people should be able to do what they want to their own bodies as long as it doesn't affect other people. It's a little unfair to me when I have to walk through a cloud of smoke to get somewhere... and then have to go to the doctor because of the allergic reaction.
100% agree. Also as a mom of a newborn, it INFURIATES me when people light up right near her. It's happened more than once to me while I'm mid-feed so it's hard to remove her from it.
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Re: spinoff to smoking (sorry if this was already posted) New York City Law Would Extend Smoking Ban to Public Parks and Beaches
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Posted by METLove2008
As someone who is highly allergic to cigarette smoke, in addition to a ton of other things, I would love it if they did this.
I don't think people shouldn't have the right to smoke... but if they could find a way to designate better smoking areas then that would really help.
I think people should be able to do what they want to their own bodies as long as it doesn't affect other people. It's a little unfair to me when I have to walk through a cloud of smoke to get somewhere... and then have to go to the doctor because of the allergic reaction.
100% agree. Also as a mom of a newborn, it INFURIATES me when people light up right near her. It's happened more than once to me while I'm mid-feed so it's hard to remove her from it.
But again, the problem is inconsiderate people, who happen to be smokers.
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Re: spinoff to smoking (sorry if this was already posted) New York City Law Would Extend Smoking Ban to Public Parks and Beaches
I hear you, but I still disagree. By the time you walk away, the harm's been done. Plus there are so many smokers on any given beach, platform, crowd, etc., that unless you go home, you will spend your whole day dodging people and still have inhaled amounts of smoke that add up over time.
Plus, in crowds, (and sometimes not in crowds) whether smokers mean to or not, they are blowing smoke directly on people.
I still predict that thiis conversation will one day be like the debate over smokers' rights to smoke on airplanes or office buildings--which we now look back on & cringe. Outside or inside, once you can smell the smoke, it is harming you--that's just an inconvenient truth.
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Re: spinoff to smoking (sorry if this was already posted) New York City Law Would Extend Smoking Ban to Public Parks and Beaches
Posted by seaside
once you can smell the smoke, it is harming you--that's just an inconveninet truth.
thats not true though, you can smell cigarettes from 20 feet away, but in air quality tests done by Standford there is no harmful effects 6 feet away.
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Re: spinoff to smoking (sorry if this was already posted) New York City Law Would Extend Smoking Ban to Public Parks and Beaches
I smoked for ten years and have been smoke free for almost a year and I feel bad for all the people I blew smoke all over.
I hate when I walk past smokers, especially now that I preggers, its so gross!! JMO
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Re: spinoff to smoking (sorry if this was already posted) New York City Law Would Extend Smoking Ban to Public Parks and Beaches
Posted by eddiesmommy
But again, the problem is inconsiderate people, who happen to be smokers.
And they are the ones ruinging it for smokers not the non-smokers who want to breath clean air.
So unfortunatley all smokers must pay the price.
And my BO isn't harming your health like your smoke is harming mine.
Of course I don't me YOU, I mean the smokers.
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Re: spinoff to smoking (sorry if this was already posted) New York City Law Would Extend Smoking Ban to Public Parks and Beaches
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Posted by eddiesmommy
But again, the problem is inconsiderate people, who happen to be smokers.
And they are the ones ruinging it for smokers not the non-smokers who want to breath clean air.
So unfortunatley all smokers must pay the price.
And my BO isn't harming your health like your smoke is harming mine.
Of course I don't me YOU, I mean the smokers.
I know, but I meant, if something is bothering you, you can do something about it like you would in the situations I mentioned. I wasnt comparing the effects of them, but just how you can handle being in an unpleasant situation.
I just think that this applies or can apply to so many other areas like the diesel engine truck in front of you blowing exhaust into your car, etc and my problem with it isnt the ban on smoking its how far reaching it allows the government to be.
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Re: spinoff to smoking (sorry if this was already posted) New York City Law Would Extend Smoking Ban to Public Parks and Beaches
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But again, the problem is inconsiderate people, who happen to be smokers.
And they are the ones ruinging it for smokers not the non-smokers who want to breath clean air.
So unfortunatley all smokers must pay the price.
And my BO isn't harming your health like your smoke is harming mine.
Of course I don't me YOU, I mean the smokers.
I know, but I meant, if something is bothering you, you can do something about it like you would in the situations I mentioned. I wasnt comparing the effects of them, but just how you can handle being in an unpleasant situation.
I just think that this applies or can apply to so many other areas like the diesel engine truck in front of you blowing exhaust into your car, etc and my problem with it isnt the ban on smoking its how far reaching it allows the government to be.
I understand what you're saying.
And I have a problem with the inconsiderate smokers but since I can't tell them to move and I don't feel I should have to move for every inconsiderate smoker I have no problem with the goverment helping me with it.
So I guess that's whay they're doing about it, is trying to ban it in places like parks. And I support it.
Reading this back it's coming off a little nasty, but that's really not how I'm saying it in my head 
Just wanted to clear that up now
As for the other issues you mentioned, I would have to think about if/when the time comes.
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Re: spinoff to smoking (sorry if this was already posted) New York City Law Would Extend Smoking Ban to Public Parks and Beaches
Non Smoker. I hate smoke. Hate it. But, honestly, that's going a bit overboard.
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Re: spinoff to smoking (sorry if this was already posted) New York City Law Would Extend Smoking Ban to Public Parks and Beaches
as a non smoker i think its GREAT, considering it will decrease second hand smoke cancer and sids risk.
maybe look at it another way... If a person decides to get drunk, then might only be hurting themselves, if they then get behind the wheel and run over someone which kills them they are held accountable......smokers in private only hurt themselves, smokers in public can kill adults, and children..... and there are no claims placed when a non smoker develops cancer, or asthma...
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Re: spinoff to smoking (sorry if this was already posted) New York City Law Would Extend Smoking Ban to Public Parks and Beaches
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until its illegal, smokers do/should have rights.
You also have every right to walk away.
by why should non smokers be the ones to walk away? why not the smokers who want to lite up be the ones to walk away???
youre operating under the assumption that all smokers are inconsiderate and thats not the case, in fact the vast majority are not and are understanding to how it makes others uncomfortable.
Smoking isnt the problem, inconsiderate people are the problem. You shouldnt crucify an entire population of people bc there are a few @ssholes.....where does that stop then?
People drink and get in their cars ALL THE TIME and they pose a FAR GREATER health hazard, than standing less than 6 ft from a smoker (the "danger zone") but yet its not illegal to drink.
Again, its inconsiderate people that are the issue, not smokers in general.
Plus, if you are bothered by the smoke that much, they why wouldnt you move? Would you stand your ground and be uncomfortable just bc you feel you shouldnt have to move? Not to mention, I didnt say you HAD to move, I said you had the option too.
If Im squished in a subway car on a hot summer day and someone has BO that is making me gag, Im going to move, even though that person is the one that smells. If Im at a bar, and there is a belligerent drunk person seated next to me, I dont ask them to please go somewhere else, I move. If Im seated next to a talker in a movie, I dont ask them to go sit somewhere else, I just move.
We are NOT talking about in enclosed confined spaces, entrances to buildings, we are talking about in an open air park, and apparently smokers in their own cars.
Part of the price you pay for living in a free nation, is to have to put up with other people and their habits, whether you like them or not.
This is just too far reaching. Its not like its not ventilated OUTSIDE.
Normal, considerate smokers, are not against this bc they want to have the right to stand within two feet of you and blow cigarette smoke in your face. There are also a great # of non-smokers who are also against it with us smokers bc it is simply too far reaching.
I really hope this wasn't directed at me. I'm not operating under ANY assumption at all so please do not put any words in my mouth.
All I'm stating is that I think the people who lite up should be the ones to make some distance. That's it. I don't think a non smoker should have to keep leaving an area because someone lit their cig. I'm not saying they should stand their ground and sit in it to prove a point. But I do think smokers should be considerate. I'm not saying that ALL smokers are inconsiderate.... but there are DEF some that aren't.... and they should be the ones to move. What's right is right and what's rude is rude.
I didn't crucify ANYONE, let alone an entire population.
I'm a non smoker who is with this law. Sorry if you don't like that. But that's the truth. Not just because smoke is harmful for those not smoking... but I'm all for any deterrant which get's people to smoke less themselves. I get that they are doing it to themself... but if there are obsticles in their way and the end result is they can be healthier because they have to smoke less... then it's fine with me.
DH smokes. I try to get him to quit all the time. But he has to quit when he is ready to quit.
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Re: spinoff to smoking (sorry if this was already posted) New York City Law Would Extend Smoking Ban to Public Parks and Beaches
Normal, considerate smokers, are not against this bc they want to have the right to stand within two feet of you and blow cigarette smoke in your face. There are also a great # of non-smokers who are also against it with us smokers bc it is simply too far reaching.
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What does this even mean?
Normal considerate smokers are NOT against this because they WANT to have the right to stand withing 2 feet of you and blow cig smoke in your face?
So the considerate smokers are with this law because they want to blow smoke in your face???
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Re: spinoff to smoking (sorry if this was already posted) New York City Law Would Extend Smoking Ban to Public Parks and Beaches
Posted by eddiesmommy
Posted by Salason
Posted by METLove2008
As someone who is highly allergic to cigarette smoke, in addition to a ton of other things, I would love it if they did this.
I don't think people shouldn't have the right to smoke... but if they could find a way to designate better smoking areas then that would really help.
I think people should be able to do what they want to their own bodies as long as it doesn't affect other people. It's a little unfair to me when I have to walk through a cloud of smoke to get somewhere... and then have to go to the doctor because of the allergic reaction.
100% agree. Also as a mom of a newborn, it INFURIATES me when people light up right near her. It's happened more than once to me while I'm mid-feed so it's hard to remove her from it.
But again, the problem is inconsiderate people, who happen to be smokers.
well then the inconsiderate smokers are the reason for this law. in any event... it sure does get those inconsiderate ones to go away doesn't it?
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Re: spinoff to smoking (sorry if this was already posted) New York City Law Would Extend Smoking Ban to Public Parks and Beaches
Posted by MrsKS
Normal, considerate smokers, are not against this bc they want to have the right to stand within two feet of you and blow cigarette smoke in your face. There are also a great # of non-smokers who are also against it with us smokers bc it is simply too far reaching.
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What does this even mean?
Normal considerate smokers are NOT against this because they WANT to have the right to stand withing 2 feet of you and blow cig smoke in your face?
So the considerate smokers are with this law because they want to blow smoke in your face???
what, how did you get that from that sentence?
I said we arent against it bc we want the right to stand within 2 feet of non-smokers and blow smoke in their face?
The sentence you wrote is the exact opposite of what I said?
Im not sure why you are being so snarky anyway.
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