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Redhead
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So first controversial topic for LIF

This comes up at my job quite often and nobody ever really has an answer but:

Do you think that the Mentally Retarded should be allowed to have children....?

Meaning should they be put on BC forcefully?

Posted 5/11/05 8:26 AM
 
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Re: So first controversial topic for LIF

Wow way to start the morning Red! This is a tough situation....should people who can not understand what being a parent is nor take care of their child be able to have children? I know plenty of people who don't know either have children all the time. But does that make it right? I think my issue is with the forceable BC...I don't believe in Forcing anyone to do anything.

Posted 5/11/05 8:31 AM
 

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Re: So first controversial topic for LIF

Posted by Moehick
I don't believe in Forcing anyone to do anything.



ITA!

ETA except criminals.
I am glad a judge and our legal system forces them to go to jail.

Message edited 5/11/2005 8:32:11 AM.

Posted 5/11/05 8:31 AM
 

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Re: So first controversial topic for LIF

I have to say I am completely ignorant on the topic. I actually never was certain that the mentally retarded could carry a baby to term.

However, just off the cuff, I would say that no, no one should be forcefully put on birth control. I know it would present an whole host of issues to society to have to care for these children but we don't impose this sort of 'will' on welfare moms so I can't see imposing it on the mentally retarded.

I would be really interested in hearing what others who have more info than I do (a lot more, probably) have to say.

Posted 5/11/05 8:31 AM
 

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Re: So first controversial topic for LIF

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Posted by Moehick
I don't believe in Forcing anyone to do anything.



ITA!

ETA except criminals.
I am glad a judge and our legal system forces them to go to jail.



Well, criminals of course...and husbands!!Chat Icon Chat Icon

Posted 5/11/05 8:32 AM
 

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Re: So first controversial topic for LIF

Posted by Moehick

I think my issue is with the forceable BC...I don't believe in Forcing anyone to do anything.



Well technically you can't force someone But what do you do to protect from PG?

Posted 5/11/05 8:32 AM
 

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Re: So first controversial topic for LIF

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Well, criminals of course...and husbands!!Chat Icon Chat Icon



OOH yes, husbands!! How could I forget that one!

Posted 5/11/05 8:33 AM
 

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Re: So first controversial topic for LIF

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Posted by Moehick

I think my issue is with the forceable BC...I don't believe in Forcing anyone to do anything.



Well technically you can't force someone But what do you do to protect from PG?



Teach the girls not to put icky things near their mouth or anywhere elseChat Icon

Posted 5/11/05 8:36 AM
 

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Re: So first controversial topic for LIF

No, seriously...forcing people to go on BC is on the fine line of infringing on their rights. Thats like saying the Mentally Retarted don't have any rights

Posted 5/11/05 8:37 AM
 

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Re: So first controversial topic for LIF

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Posted by Redhead

Posted by Moehick

I think my issue is with the forceable BC...I don't believe in Forcing anyone to do anything.



Well technically you can't force someone But what do you do to protect from PG?



Teach the girls not to put icky things near their mouth or anywhere elseChat Icon


they know how to take pills...
plus you can give a shot.

It isn't about teaching them how to take BC really
BUT rather should they be on it.

Posted 5/11/05 8:37 AM
 

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No, seriously...forcing people to go on BC is on the fine line of infringing on their rights. Thats like saying the Mentally Retarted don't have any rights


it is a violation of the client rights!

BUT you are able to force someone
You usually have to go to a clients rights committee and explain the need for it

Message edited 5/11/2005 8:38:44 AM.

Posted 5/11/05 8:38 AM
 

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Re: So first controversial topic for LIF

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No, seriously...forcing people to go on BC is on the fine line of infringing on their rights. Thats like saying the Mentally Retarted don't have any rights



OOH when you say it like that, that sounds very wrong to me.

Posted 5/11/05 8:38 AM
 

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Re: So first controversial topic for LIF

I think it is something that should be decided on a case by case basis. I would guess that there are mentally retarded people out there who are not so disabled that they could not care for a child. Then again, I don't consider myself qualified to make such a judgement.

Frankly, I think that there are probably "mentally retarded" people who are more equipped to have and raise kids than some of these fourteen year olds I see at my job who squeeze out kids like there's no tomorrow.

Posted 5/11/05 8:38 AM
 

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Re: So first controversial topic for LIF

Posted by DebG

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No, seriously...forcing people to go on BC is on the fine line of infringing on their rights. Thats like saying the Mentally Retarted don't have any rights



OOH when you say it like that, that sounds very wrong to me.



See this truly is the first controversial topic of LIF!

Posted 5/11/05 8:39 AM
 

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Re: So first controversial topic for LIF

Posted by MrsProfessor

I think it is something that should be decided on a case by case basis. I would guess that there are mentally retarded people out there who are not so disabled that they could not care for a child. Then again, I don't consider myself qualified to make such a judgement.

Frankly, I think that there are probably "mentally retarded" people who are more equipped to have and raise kids than some of these fourteen year olds I see at my job who squeeze out kids like there's no tomorrow.


true! well said!

Posted 5/11/05 8:39 AM
 

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Re: So first controversial topic for LIF

tough topic...I think that the decision to have a child is really up to each individual woman. I don't think that the goverment has a right to dictate who can and who can not have a child.

Although there are extreme circumstances....I dont believe that a known child molester should be allowed to care for any child.

So I guess my real answer would have to be...it depends on the individual circumstances...case by case basis.

Posted 5/11/05 8:39 AM
 

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Re: So first controversial topic for LIF

This is a tough topic.

I think you have to look at what are the chances that 2 mentally challenged people having a mentally challanged child. If the chances are high, then they should not be able to have children.

Message edited 5/11/2005 8:40:49 AM.

Posted 5/11/05 8:40 AM
 

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Posted by Boobobunny

tough topic...I think that the decision to have a child is really up to each individual woman. I don't think that the goverment has a right to dictate who can and who can not have a child.

Although there are extreme circumstances....I dont believe that a known child molester should be allowed to care for any child.

So I guess my real answer would have to be...it depends on the individual circumstances...case by case basis.


they do when they are deemed unable to make decisions for themselves...

VERY FEW people are deemed able to consent to sexual intercourse!

Posted 5/11/05 8:40 AM
 

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I think you have to look at what are the chances that 2 mentally challenged people having a mentally challanged child. If the chances are high, then they should not be able to have children.


well asdie from Down Syndrome...
i think it is always a high risk but not necessarily a definate

Posted 5/11/05 8:41 AM
 

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Re: So first controversial topic for LIF

Posted by Redhead

Posted by Lisa

I think you have to look at what are the chances that 2 mentally challenged people having a mentally challanged child. If the chances are high, then they should not be able to have children.


well asdie from Down Syndrome...
i think it is always a high risk but not necessarily a definate



I guess its the same chances as anyone having a genetic "defect" (and I say that in a very loose term) passing it on to their child

Posted 5/11/05 8:43 AM
 

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Re: So first controversial topic for LIF

Posted by Redhead
they do when they are deemed unable to make decisions for themselves...

VERY FEW people are deemed able to consent to sexual intercourse!



Really? Ok, then I'd have to say I'd go by that. If they're deemed unable to consent to intercourse than they are unable to make decisions about this aspect of life for themselves at all. Thus, they should be put on birth control.

However, if they have the mental capacity to make that decision, I would assume that means they have the capacity to examine the consequences of their actions and decide for themselves.

Posted 5/11/05 8:43 AM
 

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Re: So first controversial topic for LIF

Posted by Redhead

Posted by Lisa

I think you have to look at what are the chances that 2 mentally challenged people having a mentally challanged child. If the chances are high, then they should not be able to have children.


well asdie from Down Syndrome...
i think it is always a high risk but not necessarily a definate



Isn't this on the fine line of exterminating a race of people?

Posted 5/11/05 8:44 AM
 

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Re: So first controversial topic for LIF

You are right, but some people are advised not to have children because of some genetic problem that could be passed on to a child.

Posted 5/11/05 8:46 AM
 

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Posted by Redhead

Posted by Lisa

I think you have to look at what are the chances that 2 mentally challenged people having a mentally challanged child. If the chances are high, then they should not be able to have children.


well asdie from Down Syndrome...
i think it is always a high risk but not necessarily a definate



Isn't this on the fine line of exterminating a race of people?


i am sure it is...

Posted 5/11/05 8:46 AM
 

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they do when they are deemed unable to make decisions for themselves...

VERY FEW people are deemed able to consent to sexual intercourse!



Really? Ok, then I'd have to say I'd go by that. If they're deemed unable to consent to intercourse than they are unable to make decisions about this aspect of life for themselves at all. Thus, they should be put on birth control.

However, if they have the mental capacity to make that decision, I would assume that means they have the capacity to examine the consequences of their actions and decide for themselves.



true but in all honesty a lot of institutions deem people unable because it is easier....NOT necessarily because they can't.

I guess that is why i am curious about the topic...where is that line draw...it is sooo subjective

Posted 5/11/05 8:48 AM
 
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