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Shake-A-Paw Pet Store and the American Kennel Club?
So, Shake A Paw swears they don't do puppy mills, but use reputable breeders.
On their door and inside the store are posters and stickers of the American Kennel Club, and it's also on their website.
I did some research and it appears Shake A Paw says that their puppies are "privately bred" AKC puppies.
I'm confused. Can anyone explain?
Wouldn't AKC be so against this store?
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| Posted 3/22/12 9:37 AM |
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jilliibabii
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WOW. I had no idea. 
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| Posted 3/22/12 10:26 AM |
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AScottWolf
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Re: Shake-A-Paw Pet Store and the American Kennel Club?
I'd stay away from shake-a-paw. There has been recent info that they sell pets that then become very sick.
Even when you go through breeders this can happen though so no matter where you purchase a pet from make sure you do your due diligence and research that person.
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| Posted 3/22/12 11:16 AM |
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drwifettc
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Re: Shake-A-Paw Pet Store and the American Kennel Club?
We got our lab puppy there and although I love my dog like none other and can't imagine my life without her, it is my one big regrets! I was so naiive, we were in the area and had been looking for a puppy for awhile and it was such an impulse buy. My husband saw her and had to have her. I seriously get so sad when I think about where she probably came from, what her mom had to go through. And while she is very healthy, I'll never do it again. Totally follows, "when you know better, you do better", next time we'll adopt.
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| Posted 3/22/12 11:52 AM |
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Posted by jilliibabii
WOW. I had no idea.
Good thing I asked! I had no idea.
I was thrown for a loop.
This really stuck out to me:
Does the AKC make money from puppy mills?
Yes, lots. Puppy mills comprise 80% of the AKC’s business. It registered 917,247 puppies in 2003 at the cost of approximately $25.00 per puppy.
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| Posted 3/22/12 9:03 PM |
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peanutbutter2
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Re: Shake-A-Paw Pet Store and the American Kennel Club?
This whole business of puppy mills makes me absolutely sick. 
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| Posted 3/23/12 8:25 AM |
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jilliibabii
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Posted by cncforever
Posted by jilliibabii
WOW. I had no idea.
Good thing I asked! I had no idea.
I was thrown for a loop.
This really stuck out to me:
Does the AKC make money from puppy mills?
Yes, lots. Puppy mills comprise 80% of the AKC’s business. It registered 917,247 puppies in 2003 at the cost of approximately $25.00 per puppy.
Seriously. That really got to me. I just can't wrap my head around the fact that an association dedicated to dogs would not only look the other way at these practices, but also to benefit from it! That's SCARY.
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| Posted 3/23/12 11:04 AM |
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Posted by drwifettc
We got our lab puppy there and although I love my dog like none other and can't imagine my life without her, it is my one big regrets! I was so naiive, we were in the area and had been looking for a puppy for awhile and it was such an impulse buy. My husband saw her and had to have her. I seriously get so sad when I think about where she probably came from, what her mom had to go through. And while she is very healthy, I'll never do it again. Totally follows, "when you know better, you do better", next time we'll adopt.
We did the same thing - I was young and foolish and no respectable shelter would have let me get a dog, because my landlord didn't allow them, but I was so sad that my dog had died and I thought I'd figure something out. I fell in love with a little dog while "visiting" there and she was all the way in the back, in her own cage, because she was "too old" to be out with the other puppies (4 months old!) and we got her on "clearance" because she didn't look typically like her breed. We got her home and realized she had a lot of dog aggression right from the start - probably from a new crop of puppies every week nipping and jumping on her while she was constantly passed over, and then being neglected for attention by being cooped up in the back - and she had a parasite, an upper respiratory infection, and some other problem that wound up causing them to pay her whole cost back to us in vet bills they had to cover.
I'd never buy from a pet store again, I feel so badly about doing it the first time, but deep down I also do worry about what would have happened to my baby if we didn't get her. When we moved to a new place and wanted another dog we went to North Shore and adopted a sweet hound mix puppy, it took some serious work to acclimate the first dog to the new puppy but now they're best friends. She still has issues and she has a genetic problem with her legs popping out that may require surgery in the future but we will do whatever she needs. I tell everyone not to go to a store, and I definitely wouldn't do it in the future - in addition to the puppy mills being just an awful thing and a great reason not to do it, the constant lists of dogs being put down (including those in other states at kill shelters) help to reinforce that too.
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| Posted 3/24/12 11:11 AM |
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Lillies
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Re: Shake-A-Paw Pet Store and the American Kennel Club?
Posted by drwifettc
We got our lab puppy there and although I love my dog like none other and can't imagine my life without her, it is my one big regrets! I was so naiive, we were in the area and had been looking for a puppy for awhile and it was such an impulse buy. My husband saw her and had to have her. I seriously get so sad when I think about where she probably came from, what her mom had to go through. And while she is very healthy, I'll never do it again. Totally follows, "when you know better, you do better", next time we'll adopt.
SAME!! We got our puppy there but within a week she became very ill. FM me if you need any details. Beware. They have a gorgeous supply of puppies, variation, and good deals but you are risking getting one that is sick. I mean, seriously with ANY pet store you are risking this!!
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| Posted 3/24/12 8:06 PM |
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Diana712
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Re: Shake-A-Paw Pet Store and the American Kennel Club?
Posted by drwifettc
We got our lab puppy there and although I love my dog like none other and can't imagine my life without her, it is my one big regrets! I was so naiive, we were in the area and had been looking for a puppy for awhile and it was such an impulse buy. My husband saw her and had to have her. I seriously get so sad when I think about where she probably came from, what her mom had to go through. And while she is very healthy, I'll never do it again. Totally follows, "when you know better, you do better", next time we'll adopt.
I could have written this word for word ,, The EXACT same thing for me.. I mean exactly.. I didnt know what a puppy mill even was until i joined this board.. This will never happen to me again.. and I have talked many people out of buying for these stores after I knew..
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| Posted 3/24/12 9:10 PM |
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Re: Shake-A-Paw Pet Store and the American Kennel Club?
Posted by drwifettc
We got our lab puppy there and although I love my dog like none other and can't imagine my life without her, it is my one big regrets! I was so naiive, we were in the area and had been looking for a puppy for awhile and it was such an impulse buy. My husband saw her and had to have her. I seriously get so sad when I think about where she probably came from, what her mom had to go through. And while she is very healthy, I'll never do it again. Totally follows, "when you know better, you do better", next time we'll adopt.
Same here but with Golden Retriever. I went into debt with all the vet bills from my puppy. I was young and naive and fell in love with my pup. Shake a Paw offered for me to return the sick dog and they would give me a new one but I knew they would just have her put down and I would just end up with another sick dog. She will be turning 12 in June but it was a long hard road to get her healthy.
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| Posted 3/26/12 12:41 PM |
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LIRascal
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Re: Shake-A-Paw Pet Store and the American Kennel Club?
 Not all of their dogs are from puppy mills... If you ask, places that deal with many dogs are open and honest about the breeder, where they come from, etc. You can research them, then decide yes or no. Just because a breeder in Missouri has 15 adult dogs, it doesn't make them a puppy mill.
If places like this weren't successful in selling healthy pets they'd be shut down. It's a reputable business where many people find loving pets- successfully. Be careful of generalizations- and newspaper ads for dogs. Often, they're not vet tested, even though they're "private" breeders.
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Domino
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Posted by LIRascal
It is this uninformed ignorant statement that keeps them in business. Please do your research before posting YOUR generalizations.
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| Posted 4/1/12 8:46 AM |
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LIRascal
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Wow. That was really harsh. I hope you enjoy the fact that you purposely hut my feelings.
All I was trying to say is do your HW if you find a dog- whether it's in the paper, at a pet shop or a "breeder". My point is that not all dogs come from puppy mills. In no way do I support puppy mills. Is this breeder a puppy mill in your opinion?
Puppies
Maybe I have sommething to learn. And maybe you need to approach your arguments differently.
Message edited 4/1/2012 11:35:11 AM.
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Re: Shake-A-Paw Pet Store and the American Kennel Club?
Posted by LIRascal
Wow. That was really harsh. I hope you enjoy the fact that you purposely hut my feelings.
All I was trying to say is do your HW if you find a dog- whether it's in the paper, at a pet shop or a "breeder". My point is that not all dogs come from puppy mills. In no way do I support puppy mills. Is this breeder a puppy mill in your opinion?
Puppies
Maybe I have sommething to learn. And maybe you need to approach your arguments differently.
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| Posted 4/1/12 8:15 PM |
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Posted by LIRascal
All I was trying to say is do your HW if you find a dog- whether it's in the paper, at a pet shop or a "breeder". My point is that not all dogs come from puppy mills. In no way do I support puppy mills. Is this breeder a puppy mill in your opinion?
Puppies
Maybe I have sommething to learn. And maybe you need to approach your arguments differently.
No, this particular breeder doesnt seem to be a puppy mill but would be classified as a backyard breeder. The red flag here is that a "toy schnauzer" is not an AKC recognized breed therefore they must be breeding runts or non-standard sized dogs to achieve that size.
Taken from the AKC site on the mini schnauzer page:
Disqualifications
Dogs or ******* under 12 inches or over 14 inches.
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| Posted 4/3/12 9:08 AM |
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METLove2008
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Posted by LIRascal
All I was trying to say is do your HW if you find a dog- whether it's in the paper, at a pet shop or a "breeder". My point is that not all dogs come from puppy mills. In no way do I support puppy mills. Is this breeder a puppy mill in your opinion?
Puppies
Maybe I have sommething to learn. And maybe you need to approach your arguments differently.
No, this particular breeder doesnt seem to be a puppy mill but would be classified as a backyard breeder. The red flag here is that a "toy schnauzer" is not an AKC recognized breed therefore they must be breeding runts or non-standard sized dogs to achieve that size.
Taken from the AKC site on the mini schnauzer page:
Disqualifications
Dogs or ******* under 12 inches or over 14 inches.
Not to mention that there are a ton of complaints for this particular breeder - selling sick dogs and ripping people off. Just because they aren't as big as a full blown puppy mill doesn't mean they are reputable. This is clearly a backyard breeder that is in it only for the money with absolutely no regard for the animals.
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| Posted 4/4/12 12:12 PM |
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Diana712
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Posted by LIRascal
Wow. That was really harsh. I hope you enjoy the fact that you purposely hut my feelings.
All I was trying to say is do your HW if you find a dog- whether it's in the paper, at a pet shop or a "breeder". My point is that not all dogs come from puppy mills. In no way do I support puppy mills. Is this breeder a puppy mill in your opinion?
Puppies
Maybe I have sommething to learn. And maybe you need to approach your arguments differently.
I feel bad that your feelings got hurt.. I was just like you .. I bought my dog from "shake a paw" I had no idea what a puppy mill was.. I never even heard of it.. i got my dog and I joined this board thinking I was going to connect with other dog people.. Well I have been blessed and educated beyond belief..
If you do your research and start hooking up with others that know so much about these things you will be introduced to a whole different outlook.. I know the word ignorant sounds harsh .. It doesnt mean your an ignorant person in every area of your life .. It just means in THIS area you might just be uninformed just like I was.. I thank God for my own open mind and willingness to listen to what others had to say .. then I made my own judgements about this.. Just keep an open mind.. and research.. Dont take it to heart.. just learn from it.. 
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| Posted 4/4/12 9:13 PM |
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Re: Shake-A-Paw Pet Store and the American Kennel Club?
I've done a lot of research on this and here's what I can offer as info and it's long:
EVERY puppy store including ShakeAPaw uses puppy mills. A puppy mill is the only type of breeder that would ship their dogs enmasse to a store for sale. Even if they tell you they are using local breeders, they are still using backyard or mill-type breeders, it's just a local one.
A store does not stay in business because they sell healthy puppies. They stay in business because they charge ludicrous amounts of money for a low quality dog. You will pay over $2k for a puppy from one of these stores that you could have gotten from a reputable breeder for half that price. These stores pay like $100/puppy and have a 20x markup. And they aren't exactly doting on the puppies while they have them - the dogs are in overcrowded cages and kennels. When the puppies that haven't sold get sick they are stashed in a basement until they die. And I know someone who worked there so I know that last statement is fact.
Any breeder that will ship it's puppies, take paypal as payment or mislead the public in regards to the type of dog they are selling (labradoodle is not a breed, teacup is not a true definition) is a backyard breeder. Again, they are not truly trying to better the breed.
The AKC is just as bad as the breeders. They have encouraged some terrible things over the years. Look at a German Shepherd of show quality from 15years ago and look at one now, the rear legs have been bred to be so drawn out that the show quality dogs are pretty much guaranteed to have dysplasia. They almost encourage backyard breeding. They encourage clipping of ears and docking of tails when it's really not a necessity - these things were done for prevention of infections when dogs actually hunted or herded...there is no need for it in this day and age. I never registered our Weimaraner because I refuse to support the AKC's practices.
If you want a dog, go to a shelter or research.research.research. Find the dog that will work for your family and then research breeders - read reviews, call the breeders, ask for recommendations, call the recommendations. Find people who have purchased from that breeder. Ask how many times per year they breed (a true breeder will only breed their females once a year). Make sure they want to meet you and they want you to see the parents....
Thank you - stepping off now........
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Diana712
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Posted by Gertyrae
Thank you - stepping off now........
These are the exact people I am talking about.. This is one of them I admire and listen to there thoughts  Great Post Gerty 
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Lillies
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Posted by Gertyrae
I've done a lot of research on this and here's what I can offer as info and it's long:
EVERY puppy store including ShakeAPaw uses puppy mills. A puppy mill is the only type of breeder that would ship their dogs enmasse to a store for sale. Even if they tell you they are using local breeders, they are still using backyard or mill-type breeders, it's just a local one.
A store does not stay in business because they sell healthy puppies. They stay in business because they charge ludicrous amounts of money for a low quality dog. You will pay over $2k for a puppy from one of these stores that you could have gotten from a reputable breeder for half that price. These stores pay like $100/puppy and have a 20x markup. And they aren't exactly doting on the puppies while they have them - the dogs are in overcrowded cages and kennels. When the puppies that haven't sold get sick they are stashed in a basement until they die. And I know someone who worked there so I know that last statement is fact.
Any breeder that will ship it's puppies, take paypal as payment or mislead the public in regards to the type of dog they are selling (labradoodle is not a breed, teacup is not a true definition) is a backyard breeder. Again, they are not truly trying to better the breed.
The AKC is just as bad as the breeders. They have encouraged some terrible things over the years. Look at a German Shepherd of show quality from 15years ago and look at one now, the rear legs have been bred to be so drawn out that the show quality dogs are pretty much guaranteed to have dysplasia. They almost encourage backyard breeding. They encourage clipping of ears and docking of tails when it's really not a necessity - these things were done for prevention of infections when dogs actually hunted or herded...there is no need for it in this day and age. I never registered our Weimaraner because I refuse to support the AKC's practices.
If you want a dog, go to a shelter or research.research.research. Find the dog that will work for your family and then research breeders - read reviews, call the breeders, ask for recommendations, call the recommendations. Find people who have purchased from that breeder. Ask how many times per year they breed (a true breeder will only breed their females once a year). Make sure they want to meet you and they want you to see the parents....
Thank you - stepping off now........
This really makes me want to cry :( So horrible, we have no idea what these puppies go through..
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LIRascal
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Thank you for this info Gertyrae. I learned a lot 
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| Posted 4/7/12 10:45 AM |
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LIRascal
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Posted by Diana712
Posted by LIRascal
Wow. That was really harsh. I hope you enjoy the fact that you purposely hut my feelings.
All I was trying to say is do your HW if you find a dog- whether it's in the paper, at a pet shop or a "breeder". My point is that not all dogs come from puppy mills. In no way do I support puppy mills. Is this breeder a puppy mill in your opinion?
Puppies
Maybe I have sommething to learn. And maybe you need to approach your arguments differently.
I feel bad that your feelings got hurt.. I was just like you .. I bought my dog from "shake a paw" I had no idea what a puppy mill was.. I never even heard of it.. i got my dog and I joined this board thinking I was going to connect with other dog people.. Well I have been blessed and educated beyond belief..
If you do your research and start hooking up with others that know so much about these things you will be introduced to a whole different outlook.. I know the word ignorant sounds harsh .. It doesnt mean your an ignorant person in every area of your life .. It just means in THIS area you might just be uninformed just like I was.. I thank God for my own open mind and willingness to listen to what others had to say .. then I made my own judgements about this.. Just keep an open mind.. and research.. Dont take it to heart.. just learn from it..
Thank you for the info. Actually, I didn't get my dog at a pet store. He's from a backyard breeder in Kansas and I had him directly shipped. But I learned a lot and will keep an open mind from now on.
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| Posted 4/7/12 10:48 AM |
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I have my cockapoo from shake-a-paw and he is the best dog ever.
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