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Budjeg11
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Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
I know there have been some heated posts on this topic and I hope this doesn't go down that road...
My daughter just started K and is in what I believe is an inclusion class... its a smaller class and it is the only class with two teachers. The teachers sort of glazed over the question of why there were two teachers when it came up at orientation but I am assuming that its because it is an inclusion clas. Im totally ok with this bc I think my DD can benefit from the extra attention/ extra teacher in her classroom, and she is one of the kindest most caring kids you;ll ever meet so shes a good fit for such a class.
My question though is .. what does it mean exactly to be an INtegrated or Inclusion class.. does it mean that there is one or more child with an IEP in the class or is there some other characterization ? Also, can you have an IEP and be in a non integrated class?
Really, just want to learn how it all works.
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BargainMama
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
It means that there are children in the class who have an IEP and require that type of classroom setting. Students with an IEP can also be in mainstream classes, or self contained classes (all special education students). The goal for special education is the "least restrictive environment", so mainstream is always first choice, if they aren't suited for that, then inclusion, then self contained.
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quasi3
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Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
There is also a cap on the number of IEP students in an ICT class. In the DOE it's 12 students, but our class sizes can go to 32 students.
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| Posted 9/7/17 4:45 AM |
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
That is so strange they wouldn't say it was the inclusion class.
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mommy2be716
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Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
typically means that up to 40% of the class have an IEP. In one LI district I worked in, only 4 of the 24 students had an IEP. So it will really vary school to school, but legally I think the percentage is 40% of the class can be students with IEPs. One teacher is special ed certified and modifies and differentiates instruction so that all of the students are able to work at the same pace and meet the requirements of the class. Not sure why they didn't explain it to you, though?
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| Posted 9/7/17 6:01 AM |
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ali120206
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Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
In Kindergarten - our inclusion class has 5 kids with IEPs and class sizes are around 20.
All of the children in the district with IEPs come to our school. We now have two inclusion classes at the 3rd and 4th grade level this year.
I'm surprised they glazed over it - our district is very open about it.
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BargainMama
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Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
Yes, I'm surprised they glazed over it also! I think that sends a weird message, like special education is something to be "secretive" about. Inclusion is all about acceptance and understanding, so that would turn me off! It's a great learning opportunity for the children that there are others that are different than them, learn differently, etc., but we can all be accepting of them, and help them if need be.
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gina409
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
Yes you can
My son has a iep and is not in a ict class. I really wanted him to be  but the school took it away for k
He is in mainstream and gets pulled for services
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| Posted 9/7/17 9:20 AM |
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Budjeg11
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
Posted by gina409
Yes you can
My son has a iep and is not in a ict class. I really wanted him to be but the school took it away for k
He is in mainstream and gets pulled for services
So the school itself does not have any inclusion classes for K- but if it did your son, bc he has an IEP would be in the inclusion class?
Our district has 2 elementary schools and i believe only one of the schools has inclusions classes. I guess not all schools have implemented the model
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| Posted 9/7/17 12:03 PM |
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Budjeg11
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
Posted by gina409
Yes you can
My son has a iep and is not in a ict class. I really wanted him to be but the school took it away for k
He is in mainstream and gets pulled for services
So the school itself does not have any inclusion classes for K- but if it did your son, bc he has an IEP would be in the inclusion class?
Our district has 2 elementary schools and i believe only one of the schools has inclusions classes. I guess not all schools have implemented the model
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Jenhos
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
Our school has a lot of inclusion classes. It isn't something that they publicize but it isn't necessarily a secret. It doesn't change anything for your child (unless that the kid(s) with the IEP are disruptive). They may or may not benefit from having the extra teacher in the room. They are often there to focus on specific needs of the kids with IEPs.
I would email the teacher or principal if you have questions or concerns.
My kids have always benefited from being in inclusion classes. They learn a tolerance and acceptance for all different types of kids.
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KateBennetReel
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
Posted by Jenhos
My kids have always benefited from being in inclusion classes. They learn a tolerance and acceptance for all different types of kids.
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| Posted 9/7/17 12:27 PM |
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KarenK122
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Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
Schools try to give the least restrictive environment for children with IEPs. IEPs differ so greatly from child to child that it is almost impossible to place them together, so the different classroom models come into play. In our district the children in inclusion classes have IEPs mostly related to modifications their class work or some sort of medical needs. In our district there can be no "severe" behavior problems in an inclusion class. Each district does their inclusion differently, some the 2 teachers take turns teaching lessons, others break out the class into small groups for Reading and Math. The special education teacher and usually a TA in the class are responsible for making sure that all IEPs are following and all modifications are met. For the non IEP children they benefit from getting more 1:1 attention from the Gen Ed teacher as well a the benefit from the Special Ed teacher if they are having a problem with any of the lessons being taught. It also teaches them about differences and tolerance which in turn makes them a better well rounded person in the long run.
At orientation is is not discussed that the class is inclusion as it then gets very murky with confidentiality issues and sometimes parents are just plain mean. If there are any specific questions they are asked to contact the teacher or principal directly. It is definitely not hidden though because both teachers are present and are on all documentation.
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mommy2B3
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
Posted by Budjeg11
Posted by gina409
Yes you can
My son has a iep and is not in a ict class. I really wanted him to be but the school took it away for k
He is in mainstream and gets pulled for services
So the school itself does not have any inclusion classes for K- but if it did your son, bc he has an IEP would be in the inclusion class?
Our district has 2 elementary schools and i believe only one of the schools has inclusions classes. I guess not all schools have implemented the model
My DS has an IEP, but isn't in the inclusion class, he's now in 3rd and has never been in one. He has a speech delay that doesn't affect his learning. I asked for him to be in the inclusion class, but was told that they hold those spots for kids who need it more than him, and if he starts to suffer in mainstream classrooms he can be switched etc.
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
None of my children need an IEP or are considered inclusion, but I have to say every year that they have been with an inclusion class they have benefitted GREATLY from the experience. Extra teachers, extra focus.
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
Posted by BargainMama
Yes, I'm surprised they glazed over it also! I think that sends a weird message, like special education is something to be "secretive" about. Inclusion is all about acceptance and understanding, so that would turn me off! It's a great learning opportunity for the children that there are others that are different than them, learn differently, etc., but we can all be accepting of them, and help them if need be.
I think it's moreso the way some parents act regarding the inclusion class. They think any child with an IEP is a social pariah and don't want their precious children near them.
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
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My DS has an IEP, but isn't in the inclusion class, he's now in 3rd and has never been in one. He has a speech delay that doesn't affect his learning. I asked for him to be in the inclusion class, but was told that they hold those spots for kids who need it more than him, and if he starts to suffer in mainstream classrooms he can be switched etc.[/QUOTE
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
I think I messed up this post...sorry
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islandersgirl74
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
So what determines whether a child is put into an inclusion class or a regular class? Is it that they mainly have focusing issues, learning disabilities, speech delays??? Just trying to understand what the criteria might be. I'm sure it does vary from each district.
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gina409
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
Posted by Budjeg11
Posted by gina409
Yes you can
My son has a iep and is not in a ict class. I really wanted him to be but the school took it away for k
He is in mainstream and gets pulled for services
So the school itself does not have any inclusion classes for K- but if it did your son, bc he has an IEP would be in the inclusion class?
Our district has 2 elementary schools and i believe only one of the schools has inclusions classes. I guess not all schools have implemented the model
I can't answer that. I would have assumed he would be in there but it would depend on the other students and their needs and their iep's
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
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Posted by BargainMama
Yes, I'm surprised they glazed over it also! I think that sends a weird message, like special education is something to be "secretive" about. Inclusion is all about acceptance and understanding, so that would turn me off! It's a great learning opportunity for the children that there are others that are different than them, learn differently, etc., but we can all be accepting of them, and help them if need be.
I think it's moreso the way some parents act regarding the inclusion class. They think any child with an IEP is a social pariah and don't want their precious children near them.
This.
Could the other teacher be an aide for one of the students, or is she a co-teacher?
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
Posted by islandersgirl74
So what determines whether a child is put into an inclusion class or a regular class? Is it that they mainly have focusing issues, learning disabilities, speech delays??? Just trying to understand what the criteria might be. I'm sure it does vary from each district.
The law says a student must be in the least restrictive environment. So if they can make it in general ed with support services that's where they go, if not can they be successful in inclusion, if not self contained. I could be missing an option but that's the gist.
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MrsT809
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
Posted by gina409
Posted by Budjeg11
Posted by gina409
Yes you can
My son has a iep and is not in a ict class. I really wanted him to be but the school took it away for k
He is in mainstream and gets pulled for services
So the school itself does not have any inclusion classes for K- but if it did your son, bc he has an IEP would be in the inclusion class?
Our district has 2 elementary schools and i believe only one of the schools has inclusions classes. I guess not all schools have implemented the model
I can't answer that. I would have assumed he would be in there but it would depend on the other students and their needs and their iep's
I can't imagine they don't but if they think the student will do well without it they'll try that first. He wouldn't automatically be in it just bc he has an iep. Often district's only have it at some schools and students have to travel to that school. They may have all inclusion in one school, self contained in another school, esl at another school.
Dd started kindergarten this year and no longer has an iep. If she needs it again it will only be for OT and/or PT. She would still be in a regular class though.
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
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Posted by BargainMama
Yes, I'm surprised they glazed over it also! I think that sends a weird message, like special education is something to be "secretive" about. Inclusion is all about acceptance and understanding, so that would turn me off! It's a great learning opportunity for the children that there are others that are different than them, learn differently, etc., but we can all be accepting of them, and help them if need be.
I think it's moreso the way some parents act regarding the inclusion class. They think any child with an IEP is a social pariah and don't want their precious children near them.
Exactly... my friend showed me what was posted on her local moms FB group page, some of these mothers are disgusting with the things they said about these inclusion classrooms. Her kid was supposed to go in the inclusion class and one mother was complaining on the FB group page, saying she was pissed her her little Johnny who is so smart and well behaved was going into a class with kids that are "wild and slow" something like that. So awful. Hurts to see as a mom of a special needs kid.
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
Posted by lightblue
Posted by Katareen
Posted by BargainMama
Yes, I'm surprised they glazed over it also! I think that sends a weird message, like special education is something to be "secretive" about. Inclusion is all about acceptance and understanding, so that would turn me off! It's a great learning opportunity for the children that there are others that are different than them, learn differently, etc., but we can all be accepting of them, and help them if need be.
I think it's moreso the way some parents act regarding the inclusion class. They think any child with an IEP is a social pariah and don't want their precious children near them.
Exactly... my friend showed me what was posted on her local moms FB group page, some of these mothers are disgusting with the things they said about these inclusion classrooms. Her kid was supposed to go in the inclusion class and one mother was complaining on the FB group page, saying she was pissed her her little Johnny who is so smart and well behaved was going into a class with kids that are "wild and slow" something like that. So awful. Hurts to see as a mom of a special needs kid.
and we wonder why we are raising a generation of brats and bullies. Because they are being raised by parents who are utter and complete assholes. That's why.
Can't blame the kids. It's the asshole parents.
I really hate society sometimes.
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