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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by LawyerWife
Okay, say corporations pay 10%. What's to stop them from then turning around and laying off tons of workers to save their bottom line? Your argument assumes that no negative implications from taxing corporations and it's simply not true. Corporations owe fiduciary duties to their shareholders. This can and does benefit many people, and not just the uber wealthy. Shareholders can be entities that ordinary people BENEFIT from - such pensions for workers. Taking steps that could diminish corporate wealth could hurt these shareholders. So I guess I just don't agree with you. It's not that simple.
then we are completed effed by what you are saying. they won't create jobs here b/c they don't want to pay. they don't want to pay taxes on their earnings.
if we force them to pay taxes, they will just lay off more people causing MORE unemployment.
so, we can't do anything. they have the upper hand. how unreal. how outrageous. the American Revolution simply replaced one King with many Robber Barons.
I understand how this works. I have a retirement fund as does my husband. my son and all of my nieces/nephews have 529's. I get how it works for the litte person. and I don't even have a problem necessarily with the existence of the stock market. I have a problem in general with the idea of corporations beholden to no one. to having the balls of the world in it's hand, with the ability to squeeze as much as it wants out of them without repercussion.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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All arguments aside one way or the other...............what is REAL point of "Occupy Wall Street". Honestly, from everything I've read online and seen on the news they have NO "real" message, NO real plan of action, no list of ideas on how to fix anything, no goal, no anything. Sitting around and whining about the top 1% of wealth in this country is not going to fix anything with our economy.
I get that the economy stinks right now and finding a job isn't very easy but I'm not really sure what these people hope to achieve when all is said and done. What's the end game here? What do they hope to accomplish? I just don't get it really. I *personally* think it's a fruitless effort. I could be wrong, but the whole thing just seems so misguided and all over the place. Perhaps if there was a more cohesive message, goal, and plan it would be different but this just seems like organized whining right now.
If someone wants to enlighten me, feel free. 
I like to be enlightened too.
The other day I asked DH- Well what do they WANT?
Like what do they want in order to stop the protesting? What is the goal?
I am not flaming what they are doing, etc- just genuinely curious as to what it is they want....
To answer your questions, READ THIS
I get they feel slighted by the "powers that be" on Wall Street but again, I am still not seeing (even after reading this letter) what exactly they want in definable terms. Okay, they want Wall Street as a whole to acknowledge their part in the mess that is the economy but then what? That's my real question. You can be annoyed by what had transpired in this country and I don't doubt that big business has made some mistakes that unfortunately equate to us every day citizens begin screwed but acknowledgment and action are two very different things. I don't see how setting up camp on Wall Street is going to force a change or action on the part of businesses.
The one thing that I will say with regards to this letter is and that I don't agree with in ANY way is this silly notion that everything should be fair and equal for everyone. "Fair" doesn't exist in the real world, especially in a capitalistic society. The great thing about living in the United States is that you have the opportunity to make more, do better, get further. You're not bound by anyone or anything, you can always do better for yourself if you so choose.
I don't think everyone should be "entitled" (for lack of a better word) to the same things. (healthcare, housing, etc.) Some people have more valuable skills, more education, work harder, better luck, etc. etc. and as such should be compensated for that. I don't begrudge anyone with money, I can only do what I can to make my life the best it can be and hopefully give my DD and any future children a good life. Just sayin'.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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I don't think everyone should be "entitled" (for lack of a better word) to the same things. (healthcare, housing, etc.) Some people have more valuable skills, more education, work harder, better luck, etc. etc. and as such should be compensated for that. I don't begrudge anyone with money, I can only do what I can to make my life the best it can be and hopefully give my DD and any future children a good life. Just sayin'.
Am I reading this right, you don't think everyone should be given healthcare?
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Please look up the Federal Reserve and what it's done to our country.
Look up the fractional banking system.
I don't care about the random millionaires. You have a ton of cash. Good for you.
But why did Warren Buffet only pay $15K in taxes when he earned $62 million? WHY DID I PAY MORE THAN WARREN BUFFET? (I understand 'how' but tell me how it's okay) Corporations are people now??
How are these stats okay?
What the hell has been going on?
And I DO think people should have health care, homes and food and JOBS that pay them fairly in order to have all of those basic things.
I'm amazed. Everyone wants to go after all those people who they think live off the system. Displaced anger. Be angry at the GE's and BP's and countless other corporations that pay no taxes at all.
I can't understand how people do not grasp what is going on.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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I don't think everyone should be "entitled" (for lack of a better word) to the same things. (healthcare, housing, etc.) Some people have more valuable skills, more education, work harder, better luck, etc. etc. and as such should be compensated for that. I don't begrudge anyone with money, I can only do what I can to make my life the best it can be and hopefully give my DD and any future children a good life. Just sayin'.
Am I reading this right, you don't think everyone should be given healthcare?
Do I think the drug addict on the street contributing nothing to society in any way deserves healthcare when the rest of us have to work hard and pay for healthcare benefits? Then the answer is yes, I don't think EVERYONE deserves the SAME healthcare benefits. I have a problem with noncontributing members of society sucking benefits they don't deserve such as the mom with 8 kids who keeps getting pregnant and collecting welfare or the loser drug addict who hasn't worked a day in his life being given health benefits. Sorry, DH and I work hard for what we have. Nobody deserves a free handout.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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I don't think everyone should be "entitled" (for lack of a better word) to the same things. (healthcare, housing, etc.) Some people have more valuable skills, more education, work harder, better luck, etc. etc. and as such should be compensated for that. I don't begrudge anyone with money, I can only do what I can to make my life the best it can be and hopefully give my DD and any future children a good life. Just sayin'.
IMO Healthcare is a basic human right.
Why is it we will employ a socialistic concept for educating our children but we don't feel that they should be healthy? By that logic, only people who can afford to should be able to send their children to school too. Oh sorry that little Johnny can't go to 2nd grade, better luck next year!
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by Hofstra26
I don't think everyone should be "entitled" (for lack of a better word) to the same things. (healthcare, housing, etc.) Some people have more valuable skills, more education, work harder, better luck, etc. etc. and as such should be compensated for that. I don't begrudge anyone with money, I can only do what I can to make my life the best it can be and hopefully give my DD and any future children a good life. Just sayin'.
um, what? you think housing is an "entitlement"? healthcare. not everyone has the right to it?
I am going to lose the lunch I haven't eaten yet.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me I am reading this wrong. 
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I think people are really clueless when it comes to this.
People can do EVERYTHING that you did, and still end up with the short end of the stick. No one ever GETS IT until it happens to them. I have a degree, live below my means, have a job and STILL I struggle. My husband works in a trade and makes double what I make. Long Island is a expensive bubble, but people who went right from Mommy and Daddy's and had the luxury of living at home and saving their wages and have a family that can help them out financially if ever they need it need to realize that not everyone is that lucky. Yes, it is LUCKY. Don't sit there and say anyone can do it, if you dream it you can achieve it. Those sentiments mean jack shitt if you can't pay your bills. I had a very comfortable life growing up and then the rug was pulled out form under us. The expensive college degree that my parents had planned on paying for is now MY probem. I worry about money constantly.
I can barely even get a second job. I have an interview at Friendly's for crying out loud, but I don't care, because I took a paycut for this so-called steady job of mine, and I need to make more money, but "working my up" is a hell of a lot easier said than done when a promotion comes with a measly $1k more a year.
I look on Craigslist and it sickens me that employers want an executive administrative assistant with a degree, 5 years of experience and is willing to pay $12/hour and no benefits. Who the HELL do they think they're gonna find?
This country is in the shitter and I don't care if they bang bongo drums to make people aware of how the other half lives. We are in serious trouble and for those that are sitting pretty, don't ever think for one second that it can't happen to you, so a little more empathy and a lot less BS rhetoric about hard work would go a long way.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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I don't think everyone should be "entitled" (for lack of a better word) to the same things. (healthcare, housing, etc.) Some people have more valuable skills, more education, work harder, better luck, etc. etc. and as such should be compensated for that. I don't begrudge anyone with money, I can only do what I can to make my life the best it can be and hopefully give my DD and any future children a good life. Just sayin'.
Am I reading this right, you don't think everyone should be given healthcare?
Do I think the drug addict on the street contributing nothing to society in any way deserves healthcare when the rest of us have to work hard and pay for healthcare benefits? Then the answer is yes, I don't think EVERYONE deserves the SAME healthcare benefits. I have a problem with noncontributing members of society sucking benefits they don't deserve such as the mom with 8 kids who keeps getting pregnant and collecting welfare or the loser drug addict who hasn't worked a day in his life being given health benefits. Sorry, DH and I work hard for what we have. Nobody deserves a free handout.
you don't work. you are covered through your dh through a system that has you covered b/c OTHER people contribute to it. the only difference is, you don't do drugs (I imagine)
all healthcare is socialist. most insurances are built like that. we all put into a pool and people take what they need at different times, and it all evens out in the end.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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I don't think everyone should be "entitled" (for lack of a better word) to the same things. (healthcare, housing, etc.) Some people have more valuable skills, more education, work harder, better luck, etc. etc. and as such should be compensated for that. I don't begrudge anyone with money, I can only do what I can to make my life the best it can be and hopefully give my DD and any future children a good life. Just sayin'.
IMO Healthcare is a basic human right.
Why is it we will employ a socialistic concept for educating our children but we don't feel that they should be healthy? By that logic, only people who can afford to should be able to send their children to school too. Oh sorry that little Johnny can't go to 2nd grade, better luck next year!
Education, healthcare, etc. all costs money. I work hard, I pay taxes, I feel I've earned the right to send my child to a good school and be able to get good healthcare. I PAY for it. I don't think it's an entitlement thing. Good schools, good healthcare.........it all comes at a price. So I do take issue with the idea of just giving these things freely to someone who contributes nothing to our society as a whole. Sorry if that's not a popular opinion.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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I don't think everyone should be "entitled" (for lack of a better word) to the same things. (healthcare, housing, etc.) Some people have more valuable skills, more education, work harder, better luck, etc. etc. and as such should be compensated for that. I don't begrudge anyone with money, I can only do what I can to make my life the best it can be and hopefully give my DD and any future children a good life. Just sayin'.
IMO Healthcare is a basic human right.
Why is it we will employ a socialistic concept for educating our children but we don't feel that they should be healthy? By that logic, only people who can afford to should be able to send their children to school too. Oh sorry that little Johnny can't go to 2nd grade, better luck next year!
Education, healthcare, etc. all costs money. I work hard, I pay taxes, I feel I've earned the right to send my child to a good school and be able to get good healthcare. I PAY for it. I don't think it's an entitlement thing. Good schools, good healthcare.........it all comes at a price. So I do take issue with the idea of just giving these things freely to someone who contributes nothing to our society as a whole. Sorry if that's not a popular opinion.
So the child that is born into poverty, he shouldn't get healthcare because mommy & daddy can't afford it?
And FTR, I'm slightly opposed to the OWS movement, BUT this healthcare issue is a basic HUMAN issue!
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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I don't think everyone should be "entitled" (for lack of a better word) to the same things. (healthcare, housing, etc.) Some people have more valuable skills, more education, work harder, better luck, etc. etc. and as such should be compensated for that. I don't begrudge anyone with money, I can only do what I can to make my life the best it can be and hopefully give my DD and any future children a good life. Just sayin'.
IMO Healthcare is a basic human right.
Why is it we will employ a socialistic concept for educating our children but we don't feel that they should be healthy? By that logic, only people who can afford to should be able to send their children to school too. Oh sorry that little Johnny can't go to 2nd grade, better luck next year!
Education, healthcare, etc. all costs money. I work hard, I pay taxes, I feel I've earned the right to send my child to a good school and be able to get good healthcare. I PAY for it. I don't think it's an entitlement thing. Good schools, good healthcare.........it all comes at a price. So I do take issue with the idea of just giving these things freely to someone who contributes nothing to our society as a whole. Sorry if that's not a popular opinion.
when did you start working? I thought you were a SAHM.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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I don't think everyone should be "entitled" (for lack of a better word) to the same things. (healthcare, housing, etc.) Some people have more valuable skills, more education, work harder, better luck, etc. etc. and as such should be compensated for that. I don't begrudge anyone with money, I can only do what I can to make my life the best it can be and hopefully give my DD and any future children a good life. Just sayin'.
Am I reading this right, you don't think everyone should be given healthcare?
Do I think the drug addict on the street contributing nothing to society in any way deserves healthcare when the rest of us have to work hard and pay for healthcare benefits? Then the answer is yes, I don't think EVERYONE deserves the SAME healthcare benefits. I have a problem with noncontributing members of society sucking benefits they don't deserve such as the mom with 8 kids who keeps getting pregnant and collecting welfare or the loser drug addict who hasn't worked a day in his life being given health benefits. Sorry, DH and I work hard for what we have. Nobody deserves a free handout.
you don't work. you are covered through your dh through a system that has you covered b/c OTHER people contribute to it. the only difference is, you don't do drugs (I imagine)
all healthcare is socialist. most insurances are built like that. we all put into a pool and people take what they need at different times, and it all evens out in the end.
Exactly, and if the rug was ever, God forbid, pulled out from under you, what would you do then?
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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I don't think everyone should be "entitled" (for lack of a better word) to the same things. (healthcare, housing, etc.) Some people have more valuable skills, more education, work harder, better luck, etc. etc. and as such should be compensated for that. I don't begrudge anyone with money, I can only do what I can to make my life the best it can be and hopefully give my DD and any future children a good life. Just sayin'.
Am I reading this right, you don't think everyone should be given healthcare?
Do I think the drug addict on the street contributing nothing to society in any way deserves healthcare when the rest of us have to work hard and pay for healthcare benefits? Then the answer is yes, I don't think EVERYONE deserves the SAME healthcare benefits. I have a problem with noncontributing members of society sucking benefits they don't deserve such as the mom with 8 kids who keeps getting pregnant and collecting welfare or the loser drug addict who hasn't worked a day in his life being given health benefits. Sorry, DH and I work hard for what we have. Nobody deserves a free handout.
you don't work. you are covered through your dh through a system that has you covered b/c OTHER people contribute to it. the only difference is, you don't do drugs (I imagine)
all healthcare is socialist. most insurances are built like that. we all put into a pool and people take what they need at different times, and it all evens out in the end.
I understand that but we are paying into that pool of insurance. What I am talking about is the jobless, noncontributing member of society who is NOT paying into the system yet reaping the benefits of it. KWIM?
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by rojerono
I am going to sound like a total Azzhole here and I don't care. I do not get why people are looking so strongly to defend the wealthiest 1% and their 'right' to protect their own personal wealth at the expense of their own country and at the expense of the people who earned them that money? Do you think that if you speak loudly enough that you might be protected by that 1% or they might share the wealth with you? Do you think that if you work HARD enough you can become them? Think again.
I am not one of the 1% either, nor do I aspire to be one of them. And that's fine.
But I don't get why so many defend the 1% since the chances of becoming one of the 1% are almost nill. I also don't get why so many people talk about the 1% busting their a**es to get ahead. So do many of the 99%, so if busting your as* is all it takes, many more people should be earning huge amounts of money.
It's all about unfair taxation in my mind, both for individuals and corporations. As for the original post, this young woman doesn't get it.
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This just got nasty.. super fast
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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I don't think everyone should be "entitled" (for lack of a better word) to the same things. (healthcare, housing, etc.) Some people have more valuable skills, more education, work harder, better luck, etc. etc. and as such should be compensated for that. I don't begrudge anyone with money, I can only do what I can to make my life the best it can be and hopefully give my DD and any future children a good life. Just sayin'.
IMO Healthcare is a basic human right.
Why is it we will employ a socialistic concept for educating our children but we don't feel that they should be healthy? By that logic, only people who can afford to should be able to send their children to school too. Oh sorry that little Johnny can't go to 2nd grade, better luck next year!
Education, healthcare, etc. all costs money. I work hard, I pay taxes, I feel I've earned the right to send my child to a good school and be able to get good healthcare. I PAY for it. I don't think it's an entitlement thing. Good schools, good healthcare.........it all comes at a price. So I do take issue with the idea of just giving these things freely to someone who contributes nothing to our society as a whole. Sorry if that's not a popular opinion.
So, by your logic why should MY taxes educate YOUR child?
Pay for private school then, just like you PAY for your insurance. Isn't that how it should be? My taxes, childless homeowner taxes.. why are WE paying for YOUR child to go to school?
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Major American corporations and the wealthy executives of those employ millions of people in this country. Their personal wealth offers employment opportunities for even more people.
90% of the tradesmen & women in residential construction in NYC & LI that are lucky enough to still be employed have been building/renovating homes for the uber rich. My husband builds new contruction in Hamptons and his company can employ as many as 80 men for each house, many of these homes are built with "wall street money". Imagine how many more tradespeople would be unemployed around here if the super wealthy didn't have money to spend. Not to mention the people that maintain their homes, cars, boats, and so many other things.
Could some major corporations pay more taxes, sure. However that is not the only problem in this situation.
So many union workers are laid off or unemployed now, yet the greedy union leaders refuse to make reasonable concessions in order to save jobs.
Jobs are outsourced to other countries & I'd bet all of the money in my 401k that workers in those countries aren't on the internet pontificating their political views and opinions while they are on their bosses dime.
Just look at how much time people from the private sector and even government workers spend on LIF.
No wonder we can't compete with the other countries. Our efficiency is at an all time low because we are too distracted by other things.
Work is WORK...it shouldn't be filled with hours of recreational activities like chatting on a message board.
There are fundamental/moral issues in this country that need to be addressed.
We are NOT smarter, we are NOT willing to work the hardest, we do NOT manufacture anything unique.
Not everyone should go to college....we don't need a hundred thousand people with English degrees every year. We need people that are willing to get this country building things again, why can't some of the millions of square feet of empty industrial space
but converted into factories that build solar panels so we don't need to get them from china? There are so many examples of things that need to change and PEOPLE that need to stop making excuses and start putting the change in motion.
Its time to look at the BIG picture and realize there are many components playing into this mess, its not the fault of Wall Street alone if at all.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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I don't think everyone should be "entitled" (for lack of a better word) to the same things. (healthcare, housing, etc.) Some people have more valuable skills, more education, work harder, better luck, etc. etc. and as such should be compensated for that. I don't begrudge anyone with money, I can only do what I can to make my life the best it can be and hopefully give my DD and any future children a good life. Just sayin'.
um, what? you think housing is an "entitlement"? healthcare. not everyone has the right to it?
I am going to lose the lunch I haven't eaten yet.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me I am reading this wrong.
I wasn't clear. Nobody is entitled to the SAME level of healthcare, housing, education, etc. I am tired of hearing people complain that it's not fair that everyone doesn't have the same opportunities in life. My point was, life isn't fair. There is no such thing as fair. As I said in my post, those who have a specific skill, or more education, or whatever the case may be have the ability to earn more. Those that earn more have every right to have better healthcare, better housing, better education.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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I don't think everyone should be "entitled" (for lack of a better word) to the same things. (healthcare, housing, etc.) Some people have more valuable skills, more education, work harder, better luck, etc. etc. and as such should be compensated for that. I don't begrudge anyone with money, I can only do what I can to make my life the best it can be and hopefully give my DD and any future children a good life. Just sayin'.
Am I reading this right, you don't think everyone should be given healthcare?
Do I think the drug addict on the street contributing nothing to society in any way deserves healthcare when the rest of us have to work hard and pay for healthcare benefits? Then the answer is yes, I don't think EVERYONE deserves the SAME healthcare benefits. I have a problem with noncontributing members of society sucking benefits they don't deserve such as the mom with 8 kids who keeps getting pregnant and collecting welfare or the loser drug addict who hasn't worked a day in his life being given health benefits. Sorry, DH and I work hard for what we have. Nobody deserves a free handout.
you don't work. you are covered through your dh through a system that has you covered b/c OTHER people contribute to it. the only difference is, you don't do drugs (I imagine)
all healthcare is socialist. most insurances are built like that. we all put into a pool and people take what they need at different times, and it all evens out in the end.
I understand that but we are paying into that pool of insurance. What I am talking about is the jobless, noncontributing member of society who is NOT paying into the system yet reaping the benefits of it. KWIM?
you are jobless. so someone looking at you could say the same thing. this is ugly. this shouldn't come out of anyone's mind. I am blown away. I am sorry. it's just wrong.
maybe someone else is paying into the system. maybe they had a job for years and never got sick but paid in that whole time, but now they need it and they are not covered. what then???? I just can't wrap my brain around this at all.
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| Posted 10/17/11 1:55 PM |
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nrthshgrl
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
I'm surprised at the responses on this thread.
To me Occupy Wall Street has one message. The "system" is broken for 99% of Americans.
You can debate how to fix it, government policies, etc but to equate the problems OUR country faces to not working hard enough & not living frugally enough is pathetic & ingnorant.
Someone tell me how our current tax structure, lobbying & special interest groups IS working & then maybe I'd reconsider my stance.
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| Posted 10/17/11 1:58 PM |
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Hofstra26
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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I don't think everyone should be "entitled" (for lack of a better word) to the same things. (healthcare, housing, etc.) Some people have more valuable skills, more education, work harder, better luck, etc. etc. and as such should be compensated for that. I don't begrudge anyone with money, I can only do what I can to make my life the best it can be and hopefully give my DD and any future children a good life. Just sayin'.
Am I reading this right, you don't think everyone should be given healthcare?
Do I think the drug addict on the street contributing nothing to society in any way deserves healthcare when the rest of us have to work hard and pay for healthcare benefits? Then the answer is yes, I don't think EVERYONE deserves the SAME healthcare benefits. I have a problem with noncontributing members of society sucking benefits they don't deserve such as the mom with 8 kids who keeps getting pregnant and collecting welfare or the loser drug addict who hasn't worked a day in his life being given health benefits. Sorry, DH and I work hard for what we have. Nobody deserves a free handout.
you don't work. you are covered through your dh through a system that has you covered b/c OTHER people contribute to it. the only difference is, you don't do drugs (I imagine)
all healthcare is socialist. most insurances are built like that. we all put into a pool and people take what they need at different times, and it all evens out in the end.
I understand that but we are paying into that pool of insurance. What I am talking about is the jobless, noncontributing member of society who is NOT paying into the system yet reaping the benefits of it. KWIM?
you are jobless. so someone looking at you could say the same thing. this is ugly. this shouldn't come out of anyone's mind. I am blown away. I am sorry. it's just wrong.
maybe someone else is paying into the system. maybe they had a job for years and never got sick but paid in that whole time, but now they need it and they are not covered. what then???? I just can't wrap my brain around this at all.
I am jobless by choice with a DH who PAYS a cr@pload of money into our FAMILY medical plan so we can be covered. He works and pays so we can have benefits. I was NOT talking about a SAHM (as an example) or people who were laid off when I was referring to who "deserves" healthcare. I was referring to people who have never contributed anything to society at large yet reap the benefits we all pay for. Such as a drug addict or the person with eight kids who has NEVER worked. I was not referring to someone who lost a job or chooses to stay home. I wish people would READ BEFORE they post.
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| Posted 10/17/11 1:58 PM |
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Ophelia
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by nrthshgrl
I'm surprised at the responses on this thread.
To me Occupy Wall Street has one message. The "system" is broken for 99% of Americans.
You can debate how to fix it, government policies, etc but to equate the problems OUR country faces to not working hard enough & not living frugally enough is pathetic & ingnorant.
Someone tell me how our current tax structure, lobbying & special interest groups IS working & then maybe I'd reconsider my stance.
seriously. want to cry. like really cry reading this thread. we are doomed.
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| Posted 10/17/11 1:59 PM |
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