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sunnyflies
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Officer Wilson not indicted....
I think the looting may have been done by out-of-towners rather than residents as the media kept talking about how many people were coming into town just for the verdict. It would be interesting to find out how many of those arrested for burglary and arson last night were local residents.
I saw the video of Michael Brown stealing from the store and I understood that he was walking down the middle of what appeared to be a busy street which is either a crazy or an arrogant - asking for trouble thing to do. I also knew that he was large, so could be seen as intimidating due to his size, if he displayed an attitude.
I do not think that he was an innocent victim like Travon Martin was. I also do not think he had to be shot. We will never have his side of the story, so will never know what was actually said between them, or how it was said. Perhaps if Officer Wilson had been more skillful with his words this might not have escalated. Maybe it would have no matter what he had said, but we can never know.
What I do know is that the judge handling it has too close for comfort ties with the police and the case is tainted because of that. He should have backed away and allowed someone else to handle it.
I have served on a Grand Jury - once a week for two years - and know well that we were only given what the people in charge wanted us to have, and no more. I often felt we were superfluous to the cases we heard, that the legal system was just going through the motions by having us hear evidence and witnesses. Yes, we got to vote on each case, but I think we didn't know as much as we could have about each of them.
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Re: Officer Wilson not indicted....
Posted by Kitten1929
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If we are all being honest with ourselves it is a reality, black men are more of a "threat" than white men. Statisically speaking they are more dangerous and I do think it might have been a different outcome had he been a white kid. Again I am not saying the Officer purposely killed him bc he was black but I think the underlying issue is there.
I'm sorry, what?
Can't speak for Diamondgirl but I feel like I know enough about her to say that she didn't mean this as you're taking it. I think she means many black men are incarcerated way more that white men, and that typically, a group of black men hanging on a street corner seems more dangerous than a group of white men. It's how people are conditioned to think. It's wrong. And I think she's saying that this thought lies in the back of many white minds and even if you don't claim to be racist or think that you are, you can have these tendencies of thoughts and if given a gun and a badge, it can override you.
Unless I'm wrong and then Diamondgirl can clarify. But that's how I perceived it. And I know DG is not ignorant at all.. She's the opposite..intelligent and well-read.
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Re: Officer Wilson not indicted....
Don't worry, guys. Al Sharpton has arrived in Ferguson and he'll clear ALL of this up.
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Re: Officer Wilson not indicted....
Posted by Xelindrya
All I keep thinking about is.. (sadly)
Civil Commotion
Riot
Should be covered. Hope they called up their
All over my facebook is the meme of OJ Simpson that says "remember when the white people rioted when Simpson wasn't indicted, Me either!"
White people have not been oppressed or faced disgusting racism. They didn't have to subjected to seperate water fountains. Or be trolled in shopping stores in 2014. They don't hAve to worry about not getting a job after an interview.
I don't feel badly for white people at all.
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Re: Officer Wilson not indicted....
Posted by KittyShops
Don't worry, guys. Al Sharpton has arrived in Ferguson and he'll clear ALL of this up.
Oh thank goodness!!! 
  
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| Posted 11/25/14 11:42 AM |
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Re: Officer Wilson not indicted....
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
Posted by Xelindrya
All I keep thinking about is.. (sadly)
Civil Commotion
Riot
Should be covered. Hope they called up their
All over my facebook is the meme of OJ Simpson that says "remember when the white people rioted when Simpson wasn't indicted, Me either!"
White people have not been oppressed or faced disgusting racism. They didn't have to subjected to seperate water fountains. Or be trolled in shopping stores in 2014. They don't hAve to worry about not getting a job after an interview.
I don't feel badly for white people at all.
Would you like to talk to my Jewish, white best friend??
Umm white people have never been oppressed?? Uhh SHALOM?!!!
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Re: Officer Wilson not indicted....
Posted by Xelindrya
All over my facebook is the meme of OJ Simpson that says "remember when the white people rioted when Simpson wasn't indicted, Me either!"
what on earth does the oj simpson case have in common with this? 
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Re: Officer Wilson not indicted....
Posted by DiamondGirl
If we are all being honest with ourselves it is a reality, black men are more of a "threat" than white men. Statisically speaking they are more dangerous and I do think it might have been a different outcome had he been a white kid. Again I am not saying the Officer purposely killed him bc he was black but I think the underlying issue is there.
It is a hard situation bc it is not something that is easy to fix but it is a true and real issue.
Really--thats the reality??. If I listened to some statistics I'd think white males were pedophiles and rapists... but I try not to be a racist based on other people's opinions and experiences. I pray it truly is a case of written word being misunderstood.
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Re: Officer Wilson not indicted....
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
Posted by Kitten1929
Posted by DiamondGirl
If we are all being honest with ourselves it is a reality, black men are more of a "threat" than white men. Statisically speaking they are more dangerous and I do think it might have been a different outcome had he been a white kid. Again I am not saying the Officer purposely killed him bc he was black but I think the underlying issue is there.
I'm sorry, what?
Can't speak for Diamondgirl but I feel like I know enough about her to say that she didn't mean this as you're taking it. I think she means many black men are incarcerated way more that white men, and that typically, a group of black men hanging on a street corner seems more dangerous than a group of white men. It's how people are conditioned to think. It's wrong. And I think she's saying that this thought lies in the back of many white minds and even if you don't claim to be racist or think that you are, you can have these tendencies of thoughts and if given a gun and a badge, it can override you.
Unless I'm wrong and then Diamondgirl can clarify. But that's how I perceived it. And I know DG is not ignorant at all.. She's the opposite..intelligent and well-read.
Thats how I read her post. Its called "unconcious bias". We all have it not just about race but so many other things.
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Re: Officer Wilson not indicted....
Posted by DaniRella
But, see, you're kind of missing a big piece. This is his testimony that was corroborated, verified, and memorialized by countless witnesses as well as forensic tests, ballistic tests, and multiple autopsies. If you listened to the prosecutor last night when he went into that 25 minute explanation - he detailed all of it.
He also mentioned that the witness accounts the news chose to focus on - about him being shot in the back or shot with his hands up surrendering, all that stuff - the prosecutor explained how once the autopsy and forensic evidence proved that was IMPOSSIBLE - those witnesses withdrew their accounts and no one else came forward from that point on stating that he was shot in the back or shot as he was "surrendering".
Basically, after time, once the facts came out and science took place, and the scene was reconstructed, the only witness accounts that stood were the ones that told what truly happened -- and then the officer's story, and the witnesses stories, and the autopsy, and the ballistic findings, and allllllll that jazz came together and aligned. Once that happened - the grand jury, WITH BLACK PEOPLE ON THE grand jury, overwhelmingly decided that the officer did NOTHING criminal and did NOTHING outside the scope of his job as a police officer.
The prosecutor also answered media questions after he was done with this whole song and dance -- I watched the entire thing last night, from start to finish, and some media lady was like "were some of the witnesses who corroborated officer wilson's testimony black?" and the prosecutor said "yes, quite a few of the witnesses are black, yes".
ANYONE who is of sane mind who listened to all of the facts presented last night by the county prosecutor -- and he took into account all of the findings from not only the autopsy they did, but from the autopsy that the BROWN family's private person did!! He presented it ALL last night - anyone who listened to that would agree that there's no denying what went down. It's very open and shut. Facts are facts. And when they are backed up by numerous witnesses - and you are able to verify those accounts with science. I mean, what more do you want? So, I walked away from that whole presentation last night feeling very informed and confident in what happened.
I also walked away feeling bad for the officer and his family - I really felt, for the first time, a little bit of what he must have felt like, fearing for his life.
Thank you for posting this.
I also want to say that I think most of the violent protesters were only interested in the looting. Let's face it, if someone genuinely felt that it was strictly a race thing, what purpose does it serve to steal something? Who are they trying to hurt? They are stealing TV's in the guy's memory?
There is a pic going around on FB, something about "how many white people looted after OJ got off?".
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Re: Officer Wilson not indicted....
How many riots have there been after sporting events?
Whenever you get thousands of excited people, stuff is going to happen, and it's a bit prejudiced to paint that as an "angry black people protesting" issue.
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Re: Officer Wilson not indicted....
I've been anxiously waiting for the Mets to win the World Series for the last 28 years so that I can finally break some store windows and steal some TV's.
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Re: Officer Wilson not indicted....
Posted by KittyShops
I've been anxiously waiting for the Mets to win the World Series for the last 28 years so that I can finally break some store windows and steal some TV's.
Don't hold your breath.
My poor Mets. 
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Re: Officer Wilson not indicted....
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Posted by KittyShops
I've been anxiously waiting for the Mets to win the World Series for the last 28 years so that I can finally break some store windows and steal some TV's.
Don't hold your breath.
My poor Mets.
I know. Now I'll never have an excuse to steal a TV or kitchenaid mixer. Oh well. White guilt.
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Re: Officer Wilson not indicted....
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Posted by EatingMyVeggies
Posted by Xelindrya
All I keep thinking about is.. (sadly)
Civil Commotion
Riot
Should be covered. Hope they called up their
All over my facebook is the meme of OJ Simpson that says "remember when the white people rioted when Simpson wasn't indicted, Me either!"
White people have not been oppressed or faced disgusting racism. They didn't have to subjected to seperate water fountains. Or be trolled in shopping stores in 2014. They don't hAve to worry about not getting a job after an interview.
I don't feel badly for white people at all.
Would you like to talk to my Jewish, white best friend??
Umm white people have never been oppressed?? Uhh SHALOM?!!!
Don't assume my religious affiliations.
I clearly meant in regards to black vs white. You're smarter than that. Everyone here is.
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Re: Officer Wilson not indicted....
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
Posted by Kitten1929
Posted by DiamondGirl
If we are all being honest with ourselves it is a reality, black men are more of a "threat" than white men. Statisically speaking they are more dangerous and I do think it might have been a different outcome had he been a white kid. Again I am not saying the Officer purposely killed him bc he was black but I think the underlying issue is there.
I'm sorry, what?
Can't speak for Diamondgirl but I feel like I know enough about her to say that she didn't mean this as you're taking it. I think she means many black men are incarcerated way more that white men, and that typically, a group of black men hanging on a street corner seems more dangerous than a group of white men. It's how people are conditioned to think. It's wrong. And I think she's saying that this thought lies in the back of many white minds and even if you don't claim to be racist or think that you are, you can have these tendencies of thoughts and if given a gun and a badge, it can override you.
Unless I'm wrong and then Diamondgirl can clarify. But that's how I perceived it. And I know DG is not ignorant at all.. She's the opposite..intelligent and well-read.
I read it the same as you.
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DaniJude
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Re: Officer Wilson not indicted....
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
Don't assume my religious affiliations.
I clearly meant in regards to black vs white. You're smarter than that. Everyone here is.
I'm not assuming anything.
I'm just stating you said that white people have never been oppressed.
I was trying to point out that whole Holocaust thing as a small example of how white people are certainly oppressed and being that a Temple was just defaced recently in Nassau County, it still happens to this day.
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Officer Wilson not indicted....
I love Diamondgirl for the record :)
She will probably explain it better than I can.
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Re: Officer Wilson not indicted....
I think its horrible to turn on your own community when things like this happen. To take it out on local businesses, BUT with that said....I have not been in this position over and over again that the African-American community has been. Im white and bc of that Im privileged in ways I will never fully understand. I dont think this happens bc the communities are "behaving like animals" - I think these communities are pushed to their limits and sometimes they feel this is the ONLY way they are heard. Are they wrong??? After last nights coverage, no.....I watched CNN all night and NOT ONCE did they pan to any of the peaceful protests in Ferguson, NOT ONCE. Is it the right thing to do, to set fire to your city, of course not......but I havent walked in the same shoes over and over and over again. I have not felt that same frustration where another African American was brutalized or killed by law enforcement, unjustly, or so people in these communities feel, the way that they do. (Im not making a personal claim one way or the other).
If I felt this was happening to members of my community FAR TO OFTEN and justice wasnt being carried out and most of all, the voices of the people in my community werent heard, no one listened unless "big statements" were made.....who is to say I wouldnt lash out either so people paid attention.
With that said, I do think some of it, of course, were troublemakers, who ceased an opportunity when they saw it. There were FAR more peaceful protests than violent and chaotic, no one saw that though. I dont think it reflects on a community as a whole though. I dont really know if they were just criminals out for trouble when they could get it, or if they were genuinely angry/frustrated people who feel like Black lives dont matter. If its the latter of the two, all Im saying is, while it is not right, I can see how a level of frustration and anger can build so much so that they create chaos to feel heard.
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Re: Officer Wilson not indicted....
Posted by JME78
How many riots have there been after sporting events?
Whenever you get thousands of excited people, stuff is going to happen, and it's a bit prejudiced to paint that as an "angry black people protesting" issue.
Riots setting businesses on FIRE and looting them?! I would say that is very RARE! These scumbags that did all this are flat out thugs with no respect for the law. Disgusting.
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Re: Officer Wilson not indicted....
Posted by stinger
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
Posted by Kitten1929
Posted by DiamondGirl
If we are all being honest with ourselves it is a reality, black men are more of a "threat" than white men. Statisically speaking they are more dangerous and I do think it might have been a different outcome had he been a white kid. Again I am not saying the Officer purposely killed him bc he was black but I think the underlying issue is there.
I'm sorry, what?
Can't speak for Diamondgirl but I feel like I know enough about her to say that she didn't mean this as you're taking it. I think she means many black men are incarcerated way more that white men, and that typically, a group of black men hanging on a street corner seems more dangerous than a group of white men. It's how people are conditioned to think. It's wrong. And I think she's saying that this thought lies in the back of many white minds and even if you don't claim to be racist or think that you are, you can have these tendencies of thoughts and if given a gun and a badge, it can override you.
Unless I'm wrong and then Diamondgirl can clarify. But that's how I perceived it. And I know DG is not ignorant at all.. She's the opposite..intelligent and well-read.
Thats how I read her post. Its called "unconcious bias". We all have it not just about race but so many other things.
Exactly. Thank you girls.
I don't expect everyone to agree w me but in my experience, and I have quiet a bit of experience as I worked w inner city teenagers for a number of years as a guidance counselor, there is an unconscious bias against men of color.
I am not justifying the riots. I am not saying the officer should have been prosecuted. I am saying what I believe the underlying issue.
My nephew is half black so I have a real true stake in the issue.
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Re: Officer Wilson not indicted....
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
I love Diamondgirl for the record :)
She will probably explain it better than I can.
Love you too!
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Re: Officer Wilson not indicted....
Posted by 2BadSoSad
With that said, I do think some of it, of course, were troublemakers, who ceased an opportunity when they saw it.
What is sickening...like stomach turning...is that by doing just that they are helping to perpetuate the stereotype of black people.
I cant tell you how many people in my Facebook feed have said things along these lines.
"animals"
"them"
"those people"
"stop their welfare"
Its so wrong. On so MANY levels.
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Re: Officer Wilson not indicted....
Posted by KittyShops
I've been anxiously waiting for the Mets to win the World Series for the last 28 years so that I can finally break some store windows and steal some TV's.
I'm still waiting for them to win...
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Re: Officer Wilson not indicted....
HEY AT LEAST WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT EBOLA ANYMORE, RIGHT????
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