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8ternity
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
I'm sorry but because of him, friendly fire was caused, killing a police officer.
When a cops life is endanger do you really think they are aiming for the smallest part of the body?? NO, besides protecting the people around him he had to protect himself and unfortunately friendly fire occurred.
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IrishLasss334
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by neener1211
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And to add to this, IrishLass correct me if I'm wrong, only sergeants are allowed to use tasers (or is it leutenants?) at least in the NYPD. Not all cops are allowed to carry them as you see on Law & Order 
I know the new recruits of the SCPD have tasers, and are also tasered themselves. You have to be trained to operate a taser.
Some SCPD do not have tasers bc they have not been trained.
I agree that SCPD has them as well, they ride alone without a partner and anything they need for their safety should be given to them.
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| Posted 3/15/11 2:53 PM |
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PearlJamChick
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by IrishLass
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Come at a cop with a deadly weapon?
Tough. Die.
ooooo I love you.
 My dad's retired NYPD, as is my uncle.
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| Posted 3/15/11 2:58 PM |
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nrthshgrl
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
My only experience with seeing tasers is the Hangover but if you're close enough to taser someone carrying a knife, aren't you close enough to be stabbed by that person? Why is this even an option?
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| Posted 3/15/11 3:12 PM |
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Diana1215
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by Ayne11
I don't know what I would do if I saw This coming at me by a man who is not mentally well.
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Exactly
I couldn't stop looking at these pictures of him yesterday - and reading his wall. He was disturbed. The cops did what they had to do to protect themselves, and the lives of everyone who were in danger that night.
I feel badly for his parents, I really really do - but this is not some regular every day kid who just went crazy one day. They had to know there was something going on with him.
I feel even worse for the police officer who lost his life that night. THAT is a tragedy!
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| Posted 3/15/11 3:13 PM |
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neener1211
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by nrthshgrl
My only experience with seeing tasers is the Hangover but if you're close enough to taser someone carrying a knife, aren't you close enough to be stabbed by that person? Why is this even an option?
You can be dry tasered, where the cartridge is taken out, or used with the cartridge where it shoots wires at you and the leads get lodged in your skin and immobilize you. I *think* the wires can shoot 10 feet or so-maybe more.
The leads can also miss a suspect as well.
Message edited 3/15/2011 3:17:17 PM.
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| Posted 3/15/11 3:15 PM |
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nrthshgrl
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by neener1211
Posted by nrthshgrl
My only experience with seeing tasers is the Hangover but if you're close enough to taser someone carrying a knife, aren't you close enough to be stabbed by that person? Why is this even an option?
You can be dry tasered, where the cartridge is taken out, or used with the cartridge where it shoots wires at you and the leads get lodged in your skin and immobilize you. I *think* the wires can shoot 10 feet or so-maybe more.
The leads can also miss a suspect as well.
 10 feet is too close. I'm sure they did what they felt was right under the circumstances.
Sad but I don't know that you can judge what was right or wrong playing Monday morning quarterback.
and they didn't even read his FB page :shakes head:
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| Posted 3/15/11 3:20 PM |
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jilliibabii
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by speakthetruth
to me, this is one of those tricky things. It's easy to say that I would have preferred they just shot him in the leg or something, but if someone lunged at me with a knife, I don't know what I would do in that moment.
I agree with you, to a point. But a police officer is supposed to be trained to handle these exact situations. Me? I'd probably shoot him right in the face, but a cop should know better.
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| Posted 3/15/11 3:21 PM |
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NervousNell
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by jilliibabii
Posted by speakthetruth
to me, this is one of those tricky things. It's easy to say that I would have preferred they just shot him in the leg or something, but if someone lunged at me with a knife, I don't know what I would do in that moment.
I agree with you, to a point. But a police officer is supposed to be trained to handle these exact situations. Me? I'd probably shoot him right in the face, but a cop should know better.
Actually a cop is trained to use Deadly Force.
Period.
There is no shoot to disable in their training.
It's shoot to kill.
Knowing that, people should really think twice before threatening the life of a cop...maybe then shyt like this wouldn't be up for debate.
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| Posted 3/15/11 3:23 PM |
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neener1211
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by neener1211
Posted by nrthshgrl
My only experience with seeing tasers is the Hangover but if you're close enough to taser someone carrying a knife, aren't you close enough to be stabbed by that person? Why is this even an option?
You can be dry tasered, where the cartridge is taken out, or used with the cartridge where it shoots wires at you and the leads get lodged in your skin and immobilize you. I *think* the wires can shoot 10 feet or so-maybe more.
The leads can also miss a suspect as well.
10 feet is too close. I'm sure they did what they felt was right under the circumstances.
Sad but I don't know that you can judge what was right or wrong playing Monday morning quarterback.
and they didn't even read his FB page :shakes head:
I completely agree!
(I stand corrected, it can shoot up to 25 feet). But still, 25 feet is pretty darn close.
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| Posted 3/15/11 3:23 PM |
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jilliibabii
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by jilliibabii
Posted by speakthetruth
to me, this is one of those tricky things. It's easy to say that I would have preferred they just shot him in the leg or something, but if someone lunged at me with a knife, I don't know what I would do in that moment.
I agree with you, to a point. But a police officer is supposed to be trained to handle these exact situations. Me? I'd probably shoot him right in the face, but a cop should know better.
Actually a cop is trained to use Deadly Force.
Period.
There is no shoot to disable in their training.
It's shoot to kill.
Knowing that, people should really think twice before threatening the life of a cop...maybe then shyt like this wouldn't be up for debate.
Then that's not right, IMO. They should be trained to use discretion. I'm not saying deadly force is NEVER necessary but it's used far too often.
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| Posted 3/15/11 3:26 PM |
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NervousNell
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by jilliibabii
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by jilliibabii
Posted by speakthetruth
to me, this is one of those tricky things. It's easy to say that I would have preferred they just shot him in the leg or something, but if someone lunged at me with a knife, I don't know what I would do in that moment.
I agree with you, to a point. But a police officer is supposed to be trained to handle these exact situations. Me? I'd probably shoot him right in the face, but a cop should know better.
Actually a cop is trained to use Deadly Force.
Period.
There is no shoot to disable in their training.
It's shoot to kill.
Knowing that, people should really think twice before threatening the life of a cop...maybe then shyt like this wouldn't be up for debate.
Then that's not right, IMO. They should be trained to use discretion. I'm not saying deadly force is NEVER necessary but it's used far too often.
Right or wrong- it's what they are trained.
If things needs to change, then the police depts would have to change their policies. I was just stating the fact on what they are taught in training.
Personally, I'd prefer my DH use deadly force when someone is lunging at him with a knife.
Better safe than sorry.
I need him to come home to me and my DD- I dont' give a rat's azz about the scum of the earth who is waving that knife at him...
You threaten a cop- know he is going to shoot to kill... maybe it will make them thing twice about it...
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MrsPJB2007
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by jilliibabii
Then that's not right, IMO. They should be trained to use discretion. I'm not saying deadly force is NEVER necessary but it's used far too often.
I think the idea that it's used "far too often" is something that people believe because of the VERY lop-sided media.
You have no idea how many times my DH has used "discretion" and NOT used deadly force in his job, when he probably could have used it and been justified. The difference is that how the heck are you going to know about the times when cops use discretion, if no one is shot & killed??
Of course you don't hear about things like that, because it's part of their everyday job, day in and day out. Only when there is some type of shooting do people come out of the woodwork and say "tsk tsk on these cops all that the DEADLY FORCE they use too much."
It just seems that people seem to not take a moment and think there are probably MANY MORE times when they know NOTHING about cops using their judgment and discretion in these scenarios.
It's not like there is some shooting every.single.day. Yet cops are putting themselves out there daily and dealing with tons of EDPs and utterly unstable individuals. But when this situation arises and the media gets a hold of it, they throw it around and people get the notion that this happens "too often", when the ratio of the amount it does NOT happen far outweighs the times it does.
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| Posted 3/15/11 3:32 PM |
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neener1211
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by jilliibabii
Then that's not right, IMO. They should be trained to use discretion. I'm not saying deadly force is NEVER necessary but it's used far too often.
They used their discretion for the entire time before he lunged at them with knives. They didn't just walk into the guys house shooting rounds. That entire time, they are analyzing the situation and what they need to do if "a b c d e f and g" happen.
Again the only time you read of deadly force is when it happens. You'll never hear of the 6 cops that it took to take someone down by wrestling them to the the ground-because it doesn't sell. Other ways of getting people to comply happen way more often.
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| Posted 3/15/11 3:34 PM |
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NervousNell
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by MrsPJB2007
Posted by jilliibabii
Then that's not right, IMO. They should be trained to use discretion. I'm not saying deadly force is NEVER necessary but it's used far too often.
You have no idea how many times my DH has used "discretion" and NOT used deadly force in his job, when he probably could have used it and been justified. The difference is that how the heck are you going to know about the times when cops use discretion, if no one is shot & killed??
YES! Exactly
In the story I mentioned in my first reply to this thread- when my DH was backed into a corner with a guy swiping at him with a knife, he would have been 100% justified in shooting him.
The bosses on the scene as well as the FDNY and EMS who were there took him aside later and told him that.
BUT he didn't do it.
He was able to difuse it without deadly force.
THAT didn't make the paper though....
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| Posted 3/15/11 3:35 PM |
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eroxgirl
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by jilliibabii
Posted by speakthetruth
to me, this is one of those tricky things. It's easy to say that I would have preferred they just shot him in the leg or something, but if someone lunged at me with a knife, I don't know what I would do in that moment.
I agree with you, to a point. But a police officer is supposed to be trained to handle these exact situations. Me? I'd probably shoot him right in the face, but a cop should know better.
I really don't understand what a cop is supposed to "know better" with regard to handling an EDP (emotionally disturbed person).
They probably know more ways that an EDP can flip out. More ways that they can inflict harm on another person. More potentially dangerous situations that you or I might think perfectly safe..
But what are they supposed to know better with regard to an unstable person coming at them with a deadly weapon and seemingly intent on hurting/killing someone?? They DIDN'T know that this was a "good kid." They knew he was coming at them with a weapon.
I mean, I totally get your instinct. I used to say the same thing about aim for the arm.. but aiming for the arm is more likely to miss completely and allow the suspect to get the upper hand/get away and/or hurt others including the cops on the scene.
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| Posted 3/15/11 3:36 PM |
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
I looked at the kids FB page and his other page and he reminded me of some kids i knew growing up.
his pictures and writings don't really make him a bad person (more like a confused kid 'acting out')
his actions do however
as another poster said, only he and the cops really know what happened and why he would charge at them with a knife (or knives..the story seems to change) when it doesn't seem he was an aggressive type of person. just confused..
either way, its sad all around.
ftr, i completely agree with the cops protecting themselves and the public by shooting as they did. They were reacting to the situation as they saw it
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| Posted 3/15/11 3:37 PM |
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MrsPJB2007
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by NervousNell
He was able to difuse it without deadly force.
THAT didn't make the paper though....
Nope -- why would it? It shows a cop in a *gasp* positive light.
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
I am curious about one thing though -- if he barricaded himself in the room -- don't they usually try to have some sort of negotiation person in place first to get the perp to come out?
Does anyone know how that works?
(again - not questioning anything or doubting anything done - just curious)
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| Posted 3/15/11 3:38 PM |
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neener1211
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by MrsPJB2007
Posted by NervousNell
He was able to difuse it without deadly force.
THAT didn't make the paper though....
Nope -- why would it? It shows a cop in a *gasp* positive light.
ding ding ding ding!
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| Posted 3/15/11 3:39 PM |
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nrthshgrl
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by eroxgirl
really don't understand what a cop is supposed to "know better" with regard to handling an EDP (emotionally disturbed person).
They probably know more ways that an EDP can flip out. More ways that they can inflict harm on another person. More potentially dangerous situations that you or I might think perfectly safe..
But what are they supposed to know better with regard to an unstable person coming at them with a deadly weapon and seemingly intent on hurting/killing someone?? They DIDN'T know that this was a "good kid." They knew he was coming at them with a weapon.
I mean, I totally get your instinct. I used to say the same thing about aim for the arm.. but aiming for the arm is more likely to miss completely and allow the suspect to get the upper hand/get away and/or hurt others including the cops on the scene.
Well said.
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Lina
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Just going to state my opinion... As the wife of a federal officer I know that officers are trained to do what they feel is necessary to protect their own life and the lives of others around them. People cannot say the police should have done this or not done that, it was not you having to react in the situation. You never can say how you will react until someone is coming at you trying to hurt you. An officer is going to do what he/she feels is necessary to protect their life and I am in full support of that. You have a split second to react in these kinds of situations.
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by Goobster
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Posted by NervousNell
One thing- cops are trained to use DEADLY FORCE.
Not disabling force.
Next time, dont' pull a knife on a cop.
This is what I was going to say.
ITA
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An INNOCENT father was KILLED as a result of this knife swinging menace. That's all I care about, sorry to say.
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by speakthetruth
his FB page is still public, shockingly enough.
Wow - I am looking at this... You can see his complete descent on Saturday!!!! This guy was really off the deep end!!!!
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| Posted 3/15/11 4:31 PM |
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rojerono
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
I hurt for the father. I really do.
I have to have faith that the NCPD acted appropriately.. but 4 rounds does seem excessive. BUT.. without having been there.. my opinion means sh*t.
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