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beachgirl
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Re: Kim pregnant with #2
I think for her it was a "struggle" as she is used to getting what she wants. She "wanted" a baby when and how she wanted it but her body did not co operate so for her this was a struggle. She had the money to go to top doctors and she did and they explored very nook and cranny to see why it wasn't happening when she wanted it to happen. I am sure the unedited version of these doctor visits showed the doctors telling her that she should be patient and it would happen but that woulnd't be fun T.V...it was more "nail biting" to see the doctor's worried faces and to hear her call with the psychic while surrounded by her family
Honestly if her daughter was at least 3 i would see her as having had a struggle but in this instance i dont.
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Re: Kim pregnant with #2
Posted by AllyMally
It's a baby. It's a blessing. You don't like them fine but geez who are you to say they didn't struggle or they didn't wait "enough" or try long enough. North is 2 next month. Clearly they have been trying and had been doing IVF and she never made it a secret they were struggling. If this was anyone else it would be all roses and sunshine and yay congrats but since it's them we're going to analyze if it was enough trying. Seriously the cattiness is amazing.
Exactly. I do watch the show and it's been an issue for her for at least the past two season so it's been definitely longer then a few months. Although not sure what the exact amount of months has to be in order to be considered struggling according to good ol LIFer's.
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Re: Kim pregnant with #2
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It's a baby. It's a blessing. You don't like them fine but geez who are you to say they didn't struggle or they didn't wait "enough" or try long enough. North is 2 next month. Clearly they have been trying and had been doing IVF and she never made it a secret they were struggling. If this was anyone else it would be all roses and sunshine and yay congrats but since it's them we're going to analyze if it was enough trying. Seriously the cattiness is amazing.
Exactly. I do watch the show and it's been an issue for her for at least the past two season so it's been definitely longer then a few months. Although not sure what the exact amount of months has to be in order to be considered struggling according to good ol LIFer's.
If that eye roll is for me please go back and re read what I wrote
I don't wish infertility on anyone. And having unprotected sex. For 6 months and not being pregnant is not that same to having 30 viles of blood taken while 3 hands and lights are. Stuffed up your vagina
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Re: Kim pregnant with #2
I think its great that she was open and honest about IVF. There is still a stigma surrounding infertility and bringing all of this attention to it is great.
We don't know her medical details so to speculate on how hard it was or wasn't for her to get pregnant is not fair.
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Re: Kim pregnant with #2
Actually--we know that she had at least one ivf that didn't work.
To me, that is infertility. She may not have struggled as long as some do, but to get to the point of ivf and have it not work puts her in the arena, so to speak.
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Kim pregnant with #2
I don't think it's fair to say one persons struggle is harder than the others. August will be 2 years of me TTC for my 2nd. My first happened within 3 months. I have had 2 M/C so far with the most recent one happening 2 weeks ago and me finding out at 12 weeks.
Some look at me and say, well you have 1, what do you know about a struggle? Some look at me and say, well it's only been 2 years, and there were some months that you couldn't TTC because of schedule conflicts so it's not really 2 years.
Guess what?! When you want a baby, are you are having sex every month just to have that baby, that is a struggle. When you analyze every single symptom, that is a struggle. When you holds hundreds of tests up, praying and hoping to see a line, then you think you see a line, but it's really stark white, that's a struggle.
Everyones struggle is different because it hurts, so please don't take anything away from anyone else who believes they are struggling, because it is the emotions within that make you feel that way, not your history.
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JDubs
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Re: Kim pregnant with #2
Posted by seaside
Actually--we know that she had at least one ivf that didn't work.
To me, that is infertility. She may not have struggled as long as some do, but to get to the point of ivf and have it not work puts her in the arena, so to speak.
ITA I was going to say I believe she underwent IVF at least once that didn't work. So she did have some IF struggles even if it didn't take as long to get pg as some others.
ETA and i'm not a fan of her's or kanyes at all but just knew she did go through some IF stuff.
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AllyMally
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Re: Kim pregnant with #2
Posted by gina409
Posted by cds58019
Posted by AllyMally
It's a baby. It's a blessing. You don't like them fine but geez who are you to say they didn't struggle or they didn't wait "enough" or try long enough. North is 2 next month. Clearly they have been trying and had been doing IVF and she never made it a secret they were struggling. If this was anyone else it would be all roses and sunshine and yay congrats but since it's them we're going to analyze if it was enough trying. Seriously the cattiness is amazing.
Exactly. I do watch the show and it's been an issue for her for at least the past two season so it's been definitely longer then a few months. Although not sure what the exact amount of months has to be in order to be considered struggling according to good ol LIFer's.
If that eye roll is for me please go back and re read what I wrote
I don't wish infertility on anyone. And having unprotected sex. For 6 months and not being pregnant is not that same to having 30 viles of blood taken while 3 hands and lights are. Stuffed up your vagina
I honestly don't thnk the eye roll was meant for you and if it was that's awful.
Look my point was hate on her and Kanye all you want joke about the new baby's name being South whatever I don't care. Their just them and easy targets I get it. My issue is questioning if she had issues or if her struggle was real or long enough. As women, and as someone who did have trouble conceiving it's just wrong to bash anyone in this area. Our struggles are all different and in this area we need to support each other and we SHOULD be congratulating families that are adding much wanted and much loved kids! If someone said they were having trouble conceiving and was doing ivf and got pg the IF board would be filled with     yay congrats but no some of us question if it was really a proper struggle. It just makes me sad to see some of those comments.
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Re: Kim pregnant with #2
Posted by LotsaLuv
I don't think it's fair to say one persons struggle is harder than the others. August will be 2 years of me TTC for my 2nd. My first happened within 3 months. I have had 2 M/C so far with the most recent one happening 2 weeks ago and me finding out at 12 weeks.
Some look at me and say, well you have 1, what do you know about a struggle? Some look at me and say, well it's only been 2 years, and there were some months that you couldn't TTC because of schedule conflicts so it's not really 2 years.
Guess what?! When you want a baby, are you are having sex every month just to have that baby, that is a struggle. When you analyze every single symptom, that is a struggle. When you holds hundreds of tests up, praying and hoping to see a line, then you think you see a line, but it's really stark white, that's a struggle.
Everyones struggle is different because it hurts, so please don't take anything away from anyone else who believes they are struggling, because it is the emotions within that make you feel that way, not your history.
Couldn't agree more!
I struggled with my first. Some may say that taking 9 months to have her wasn't too much of a struggle but to me it was. Then instead of the "wait and see" method for #2, I immediately went to my RE. I had 3 failed IUI's and 1 failed IFV and then found out I exhausted my fertility insurance.
For me, that was the end of the road. Miraculously, I got pregnant on my own 9 months after we stopped all treatments. But it was a total of 2 1/2 years from the time we started trying for #2 to when we found out I was pregnant.
You should never judge what someone else is going through and as women we should be supportive of anyone facing fertility issues - no matter how long their struggle is.
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Re: Kim pregnant with #2
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Re: Kim pregnant with #2
Posted by AllyMally
It's a baby. It's a blessing. You don't like them fine but geez who are you to say they didn't struggle or they didn't wait "enough" or try long enough. North is 2 next month. Clearly they have been trying and had been doing IVF and she never made it a secret they were struggling. If this was anyone else it would be all roses and sunshine and yay congrats but since it's them we're going to analyze if it was enough trying. Seriously the cattiness is amazing.
I am not belittling IF in any way but she is FAKE . When she was on TV talking about hard they were trying, and how they were going about, discussing her sex life. Someone going through IVF or IF does not discuss this topic in such details.
My thoughts are because she does not come off genuine.
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gina409
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Re: Kim pregnant with #2
I'm trying to clarify
I never said anyone's struggle. Was harder etc
What I'm saying is for me someone having unprotected sex for 6 months is not the same as someone living at the doc office
Maybe it's too personal for me. Maybe I'm not explaining it right. I just don't take the word infertilty lightly and it's a very sore spot for me
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Re: Kim pregnant with #2
Posted by nraboni
Posted by LotsaLuv
I don't think it's fair to say one persons struggle is harder than the others. August will be 2 years of me TTC for my 2nd. My first happened within 3 months. I have had 2 M/C so far with the most recent one happening 2 weeks ago and me finding out at 12 weeks.
Some look at me and say, well you have 1, what do you know about a struggle? Some look at me and say, well it's only been 2 years, and there were some months that you couldn't TTC because of schedule conflicts so it's not really 2 years.
Guess what?! When you want a baby, are you are having sex every month just to have that baby, that is a struggle. When you analyze every single symptom, that is a struggle. When you holds hundreds of tests up, praying and hoping to see a line, then you think you see a line, but it's really stark white, that's a struggle.
Everyones struggle is different because it hurts, so please don't take anything away from anyone else who believes they are struggling, because it is the emotions within that make you feel that way, not your history.
Couldn't agree more!
I struggled with my first. Some may say that taking 9 months to have her wasn't too much of a struggle but to me it was. Then instead of the "wait and see" method for #2, I immediately went to my RE. I had 3 failed IUI's and 1 failed IFV and then found out I exhausted my fertility insurance.
For me, that was the end of the road. Miraculously, I got pregnant on my own 9 months after we stopped all treatments. But it was a total of 2 1/2 years from the time we started trying for #2 to when we found out I was pregnant.
You should never judge what someone else is going through and as women we should be supportive of anyone facing fertility issues - no matter how long their struggle is.
I'm just going to back away bc what I mean is not coming across as it is in my head
Best of luck to both of you
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Kim pregnant with #2
I'm going to post what is in my mind, even though I often hold back.
I felt that the editing of the show made her seem whiny, bitchy, spoiled, crybaby...A total whoa-is-me attitude about the whole process.
They could have shown that she was positive, hopeful, upbeat, inspiring and grateful for the opportunity to have such amazing medical care.
I don't know if she experienced the level of anguish and failure we ladies with IF have gone through, but it is somewhat her responsibility to give ladies who are struggling some hope (yes, pain would be OK to show to explain that you are human, too) but I couldn't help but take that away from the show last night. I'm not going to pretend to like her... just calling it as I see it. IMO
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Re: Kim pregnant with #2
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Really? I could be wrong as I stopped watching the show but I remember Kloe discussing it and going to the doctors and Kim tagging along with her. Then all of sudden when she got knocked up with North it was her miracle baby or some Bs she was saying for the tabloids.
And that's why I love these boards, freedom to hate on which ever celeb I please! Defending or hating on a celeb is the same thing, so I guess everyone who post on this board needs to get a life. I mean honestly this is for entertainment, any post I make on here is not what I count as a productive part of my day.
She was told by several doctors that she would NEVER be able to get pregnant on her own. So she was in the process of having her eggs frozen around the same time that Khloe went.
I never said to NOT go on hating them. It just makes no sense when in the same breath posters state 'make them go away'
How can you if you keep commenting on it? Whether its a positive one or a negative one posting keeps the thread at the top of the boards. Thus, making it impossible to go away.
I haven't watched it in a long time and after her marriage debacle to Chris Humphries, I just find her so fake. So when someone questions her infertiliy I can believe it because I feel like that's the type of person she is. Anything for attention and a storyline.
As far a commenting, I can't explain it, she's like a train wreck. Even though her and Kanye make me cringe, I will still open a thread on them. I actually didn't mind her and the show entertained me for the first few seasons. I feel like she metamorphoses to whoever she's dating at the time.
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Re: Kim pregnant with #2
I know this seems strange, but I think that she went through IVF to be certain that she has a boy. She made a strange comment about a boy baby and I thought in my head that she is so accustomed to getting what she wants that I bet she "made" it happen.
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Re: Kim pregnant with #2
Who. Cares.
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Re: Kim pregnant with #2
Posted by Chai77
Who. Cares.
you are correct. I actually dont but feeling cranky this afternoon and needed to go off.
But I still think she is FAKE
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Re: Kim pregnant with #2
Posted by hmm
Posted by AllyMally
It's a baby. It's a blessing. You don't like them fine but geez who are you to say they didn't struggle or they didn't wait "enough" or try long enough. North is 2 next month. Clearly they have been trying and had been doing IVF and she never made it a secret they were struggling. If this was anyone else it would be all roses and sunshine and yay congrats but since it's them we're going to analyze if it was enough trying. Seriously the cattiness is amazing.
I am not belittling IF in any way but she is FAKE . When she was on TV talking about hard they were trying, and how they were going about, discussing her sex life. Someone going through IVF or IF does not discuss this topic in such details.
My thoughts are because she does not come off genuine.
I wish more people would discuss IVF and IF in detail. When I was going through it I didn't talk about it much at first - felt ashamed, like my body had failed, like I wasn't a good enough woman - the more people talk about it in detail the better!
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Re: Kim pregnant with #2
Posted by gina409
Posted by nraboni
Posted by LotsaLuv
I don't think it's fair to say one persons struggle is harder than the others. August will be 2 years of me TTC for my 2nd. My first happened within 3 months. I have had 2 M/C so far with the most recent one happening 2 weeks ago and me finding out at 12 weeks.
Some look at me and say, well you have 1, what do you know about a struggle? Some look at me and say, well it's only been 2 years, and there were some months that you couldn't TTC because of schedule conflicts so it's not really 2 years.
Guess what?! When you want a baby, are you are having sex every month just to have that baby, that is a struggle. When you analyze every single symptom, that is a struggle. When you holds hundreds of tests up, praying and hoping to see a line, then you think you see a line, but it's really stark white, that's a struggle.
Everyones struggle is different because it hurts, so please don't take anything away from anyone else who believes they are struggling, because it is the emotions within that make you feel that way, not your history.
Couldn't agree more!
I struggled with my first. Some may say that taking 9 months to have her wasn't too much of a struggle but to me it was. Then instead of the "wait and see" method for #2, I immediately went to my RE. I had 3 failed IUI's and 1 failed IFV and then found out I exhausted my fertility insurance.
For me, that was the end of the road. Miraculously, I got pregnant on my own 9 months after we stopped all treatments. But it was a total of 2 1/2 years from the time we started trying for #2 to when we found out I was pregnant.
You should never judge what someone else is going through and as women we should be supportive of anyone facing fertility issues - no matter how long their struggle is.
I'm just going to back away bc what I mean is not coming across as it is in my head
Best of luck to both of you
Gina, I totally get what you're saying. I think the way that Kim has presented some of the information about her fertility issues is absolutely to create a storyline for the show. But I am not one to doubt or question anyone's struggle and I don't think you are either. If she would have actually discussed the monitoring, the injections, the retrieval and transfer she probably would have come across more genuine.
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StarsStripes
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Kim pregnant with #2
I wish more people would get heated up about issues that really matter in this world rather then arguing over a woman's pregnancy.
Now, how about that little ISIS problem?
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