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Linda1003
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Interesting article. US Paid Family Leave
http://www.newsweek.com/id/210252?GT1=43002[/L]
Just thought it was an interesting read.
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Domino
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Re: Interesting article. US Paid Family Leave
thanks for sharing. 
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Peainapod
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Re: Interesting article. US Paid Family Leave
interesting..
i like where it says the ungenerous australian policy of $543.00 per week. Sheesh..i;d take that in a second over the paltry $150 or $170 before taxes of disability.
this country does suck when it comes to this.
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Re: Interesting article. US Paid Family Leave
Posted by Peainapod
interesting..
i like where it says the ungenerous australian policy of $543.00 per week. Sheesh..i;d take that in a second over the paltry $150 or $170 before taxes of disability.
this country does suck when it comes to this.
SO true!!! 
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jam11308
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Re: Interesting article. US Paid Family Leave
Posted by Peainapod
interesting..
i like where it says the ungenerous australian policy of $543.00 per week. Sheesh..i;d take that in a second over the paltry $150 or $170 before taxes of disability.
this country does suck when it comes to this.
It's so true. My SIL is English and she can't believe that we get nothing here except for 12 unpaid/protected weeks. She got a full year & I believe a good 6 months of it was at 100% pay (the rest of the year was a decent percentage of her normal salary). It's so sad that we have nothing here...
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annoyedTTCer
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Re: Interesting article. US Paid Family Leave
Posted by jam11308
Posted by Peainapod
interesting..
i like where it says the ungenerous australian policy of $543.00 per week. Sheesh..i;d take that in a second over the paltry $150 or $170 before taxes of disability.
this country does suck when it comes to this.
It's so true. My SIL is English and she can't believe that we get nothing here except for 12 unpaid/protected weeks. She got a full year & I believe a good 6 months of it was at 100% pay (the rest of the year was a decent percentage of her normal salary). It's so sad that we have nothing here...
If firms had to pay 6 months salary to women out on leave I would think the unemployment rate for women age 25-40 would more than double.
Becareful what you wish for.
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yankinmanc
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Re: Interesting article. US Paid Family Leave
Posted by jam11308
Posted by Peainapod
interesting..
i like where it says the ungenerous australian policy of $543.00 per week. Sheesh..i;d take that in a second over the paltry $150 or $170 before taxes of disability.
this country does suck when it comes to this.
It's so true. My SIL is English and she can't believe that we get nothing here except for 12 unpaid/protected weeks. She got a full year & I believe a good 6 months of it was at 100% pay (the rest of the year was a decent percentage of her normal salary). It's so sad that we have nothing here...
I live in the UK and we get quite a good deal, my company is on the crappier end of the scale, but I would get six weeks at 90% of my salary (most companies seem to do something like six - twelve weeks paid) and for the remaining 9 months you get Statuatory maternity Pay, which is about $200 a week, after that 9 months you get nothing, however your job is obligated by law to hold your job or a similar job until for up to a year until you return. The US has got it wrong with this policy.
And I get money every week from the government, £20 a week (thats like $35) and I get that until my child is 16, and I get the same for each subsequent child. Its not much, but it helps!
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Sassyz75
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Re: Interesting article. US Paid Family Leave
Posted by annoyedTTCer
Posted by jam11308
Posted by Peainapod
interesting..
i like where it says the ungenerous australian policy of $543.00 per week. Sheesh..i;d take that in a second over the paltry $150 or $170 before taxes of disability.
this country does suck when it comes to this.
It's so true. My SIL is English and she can't believe that we get nothing here except for 12 unpaid/protected weeks. She got a full year & I believe a good 6 months of it was at 100% pay (the rest of the year was a decent percentage of her normal salary). It's so sad that we have nothing here...
If firms had to pay 6 months salary to women out on leave I would think the unemployment rate for women age 25-40 would more than double.
Becareful what you wish for.
I highly doubt it- that's more than half of the workforce.. and it hasn't happened in other countries- so I doubt it would happen here unless it was allowed to happen.
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Re: Interesting article. US Paid Family Leave
Posted by Sassyz75
Posted by annoyedTTCer
Posted by jam11308
Posted by Peainapod
interesting..
i like where it says the ungenerous australian policy of $543.00 per week. Sheesh..i;d take that in a second over the paltry $150 or $170 before taxes of disability.
this country does suck when it comes to this.
It's so true. My SIL is English and she can't believe that we get nothing here except for 12 unpaid/protected weeks. She got a full year & I believe a good 6 months of it was at 100% pay (the rest of the year was a decent percentage of her normal salary). It's so sad that we have nothing here...
If firms had to pay 6 months salary to women out on leave I would think the unemployment rate for women age 25-40 would more than double.
Becareful what you wish for.
I highly doubt it- that's more than half of the workforce.. and it hasn't happened in other countries- so I doubt it would happen here unless it was allowed to happen.
I don't.
I have have 6 women on my team.
If I had to risk paying for all 6 to be on maternity leave and then also pay for replacement workers you can be sure I would be more likely to hire men going forward.
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Re: Interesting article. US Paid Family Leave
Posted by Sassyz75
Posted by annoyedTTCer
If firms had to pay 6 months salary to women out on leave I would think the unemployment rate for women age 25-40 would more than double.
Becareful what you wish for.
I highly doubt it- that's more than half of the workforce.. and it hasn't happened in other countries- so I doubt it would happen here unless it was allowed to happen.
I completely agree with this...and there must be some middle ground between nothing & 100% paid leave that would help today's family both survive & care for their young.
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jam11308
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Re: Interesting article. US Paid Family Leave
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And I get money every week from the government, £20 a week (thats like $35) and I get that until my child is 16, and I get the same for each subsequent child. Its not much, but it helps!
I forgot about this...it kicks in when a child reaches age 3 or 4, right? It sounds like a small amount, but my SIL's friend has triplets & she's said that the £240 a month is going to help her out a lot when she can begin receiving it...
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annoyedTTCer
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Re: Interesting article. US Paid Family Leave
Posted by jam11308
Posted by Sassyz75
Posted by annoyedTTCer
If firms had to pay 6 months salary to women out on leave I would think the unemployment rate for women age 25-40 would more than double.
Becareful what you wish for.
I highly doubt it- that's more than half of the workforce.. and it hasn't happened in other countries- so I doubt it would happen here unless it was allowed to happen.
I completely agree with this...and there must be some middle ground between nothing & 100% paid leave that would help today's family both survive & care for their young.
Isn't the middle ground access to FMLA and states offering disabilitty?
Why does anyone have to pick up the cost of one's decision to have a child?
My job offers 2 weeks paid and 100% disability pay for 6-8 weeks , why should they be forced to offer more?
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jam11308
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Re: Interesting article. US Paid Family Leave
We obviously have very different opinions on this matter & I sign on here for fun & not to engage in debates, so I'm not going to argue with you. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this matter.
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Ophelia
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Re: Interesting article. US Paid Family Leave
we in this country have long forgotten the old adage "it takes a village"
LOOK at our kids...our people today. we are totally EFFED b/c we value money and "independence" more than we value our common bonds....our UNITY as a COUNTRY.
for the life of me, I cannot understand how people cannot see how like it or not, socialist/capitalist/whathaveyou...we are ALL inextricably linked and dependent on each other.
every day we depend on each other to make smart personal decisions, raise our children the right way, and live our lives the best way we can.
why? b/c the way I raise MY child effects the interactions MY child has with YOURS.
b/c the personal decisions I make before I leave my home (have that extra glass of champagne, leave 10 mins earlier so I am not speeding to get there) don't effect you or your family when I get on the road.
how everyones taxes pool together to pay for our military, our necessary programs....how it helps mitigate the cost of caring for our elder population...something that was also once something ESTEEMED...not felt as a burden.
I can go on and on, but the point is....it is not too much to expect that people understand why it would be prudent and beneficial in the long run to help mothers care of their children in those first crucial months/year. we should WANT those babies to thrive, the mothers to have sufficient time to adjust to become the most productive both at home and at work.
but we don't. we vilify it. we call it names like "socialist" and sit back on our "laurels" b/c we did it ourselves.
oh yeah....lets see how that works out for you in the long run. 
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Ian&EmmesMommy23
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Re: Interesting article. US Paid Family Leave
Posted by Ophelia
we in this country have long forgotten the old adage "it takes a village"
LOOK at our kids...our people today. we are totally EFFED b/c we value money and "independence" more than we value our common bonds....our UNITY as a COUNTRY.
for the life of me, I cannot understand how people cannot see how like it or not, socialist/capitalist/whathaveyou...we are ALL inextricably linked and dependent on each other.
every day we depend on each other to make smart personal decisions, raise our children the right way, and live our lives the best way we can.
why? b/c the way I raise MY child effects the interactions MY child has with YOURS.
b/c the personal decisions I make before I leave my home (have that extra glass of champagne, leave 10 mins earlier so I am not speeding to get there) don't effect you or your family when I get on the road.
how everyones taxes pool together to pay for our military, our necessary programs....how it helps mitigate the cost of caring for our elder population...something that was also once something ESTEEMED...not felt as a burden.
I can go on and on, but the point is....it is not too much to expect that people understand why it would be prudent and beneficial in the long run to help mothers care of their children in those first crucial months/year. we should WANT those babies to thrive, the mothers to have sufficient time to adjust to become the most productive both at home and at work.
but we don't. we vilify it. we call it names like "socialist" and sit back on our "laurels" b/c we did it ourselves.
oh yeah....lets see how that works out for you in the long run.
AMEN!!!!!! 
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yankinmanc
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Re: Interesting article. US Paid Family Leave
Posted by jam11308
Posted by racheeeee
And I get money every week from the government, £20 a week (thats like $35) and I get that until my child is 16, and I get the same for each subsequent child. Its not much, but it helps!
I forgot about this...it kicks in when a child reaches age 3 or 4, right? It sounds like a small amount, but my SIL's friend has triplets & she's said that the £240 a month is going to help her out a lot when she can begin receiving it...
You apply for it at birth and it starts right away, it stops at 16 though!
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annoyedTTCer
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Re: Interesting article. US Paid Family Leave
Posted by Ophelia
we in this country have long forgotten the old adage "it takes a village"
LOOK at our kids...our people today. we are totally EFFED b/c we value money and "independence" more than we value our common bonds....our UNITY as a COUNTRY.
for the life of me, I cannot understand how people cannot see how like it or not, socialist/capitalist/whathaveyou...we are ALL inextricably linked and dependent on each other.
every day we depend on each other to make smart personal decisions, raise our children the right way, and live our lives the best way we can.
why? b/c the way I raise MY child effects the interactions MY child has with YOURS.
b/c the personal decisions I make before I leave my home (have that extra glass of champagne, leave 10 mins earlier so I am not speeding to get there) don't effect you or your family when I get on the road.
how everyones taxes pool together to pay for our military, our necessary programs....how it helps mitigate the cost of caring for our elder population...something that was also once something ESTEEMED...not felt as a burden.
I can go on and on, but the point is....it is not too much to expect that people understand why it would be prudent and beneficial in the long run to help mothers care of their children in those first crucial months/year. we should WANT those babies to thrive, the mothers to have sufficient time to adjust to become the most productive both at home and at work.
but we don't. we vilify it. we call it names like "socialist" and sit back on our "laurels" b/c we did it ourselves.
oh yeah....lets see how that works out for you in the long run.
A smart personal decision is to work at a place with a leave policy you agree with, not ask the government to step in and dictate how a business should be run.
A smart personal decision is to make sure you can care for your child without the help of people outside your immediate family.
The village pays taxes to support the SD and roads, not everything in our lives is their decision or responsibility.
The FMLA is a good act, at a minimum most people are entitled to 12 weeks off. Some firms offer more than that.
If you can afford unpaid leave or not is your move.
Do I wish I got 6 months off with pay? Sure but I also work in business and I understand our responsibility is to shareholders who fund operations.
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Domino
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Re: Interesting article. US Paid Family Leave
Posted by annoyedTTCer
Posted by jam11308
Posted by Sassyz75
Posted by annoyedTTCer
If firms had to pay 6 months salary to women out on leave I would think the unemployment rate for women age 25-40 would more than double.
Becareful what you wish for.
I highly doubt it- that's more than half of the workforce.. and it hasn't happened in other countries- so I doubt it would happen here unless it was allowed to happen.
I completely agree with this...and there must be some middle ground between nothing & 100% paid leave that would help today's family both survive & care for their young.
Isn't the middle ground access to FMLA and states offering disabilitty?
Why does anyone have to pick up the cost of one's decision to have a child?
My job offers 2 weeks paid and 100% disability pay for 6-8 weeks , why should they be forced to offer more?
IMO FMLA (which does not apply to me because I work for a law firm with less than 50 employees) and $150/week (after taxes) NYSD for 6-8 weeks is not what I consider middle ground.
This country has come a long way in from the times that women were discriminated against just because they were woman. I dont think finding a TRUE middle ground would effect the female work like you say it would.
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Re: Interesting article. US Paid Family Leave
Posted by Domino
Posted by annoyedTTCer
Posted by jam11308
Posted by Sassyz75
Posted by annoyedTTCer
If firms had to pay 6 months salary to women out on leave I would think the unemployment rate for women age 25-40 would more than double.
Becareful what you wish for.
I highly doubt it- that's more than half of the workforce.. and it hasn't happened in other countries- so I doubt it would happen here unless it was allowed to happen.
I completely agree with this...and there must be some middle ground between nothing & 100% paid leave that would help today's family both survive & care for their young.
Isn't the middle ground access to FMLA and states offering disabilitty?
Why does anyone have to pick up the cost of one's decision to have a child?
My job offers 2 weeks paid and 100% disability pay for 6-8 weeks , why should they be forced to offer more?
IMO FMLA (which does not apply to me because I work for a law firm with less than 50 employees) and $150/week (after taxes) NYSD for 6-8 weeks is not what I consider middle ground.
This country has come a long way in from the times that women were discriminated against just because they were woman. I dont think finding a TRUE middle ground would effect the female work like you say it would.
Who is making you work at a firm with less than 50 workers?
Who is making you stay at a firm that only offers the state minimum?
When I took the job I have no I passed on one that paid much more because the benefits weren't as good. We all need to make the hard decisions that could benefit us in the long run as opposed to short term.
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Ophelia
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Re: Interesting article. US Paid Family Leave
I am sure you must realize/understand that because of this
Posted by annoyedTTCer
our responsibility is to shareholders who fund operations.
THIS is so few and far between, it's almost as elusive as a ride on a unicorn
Posted by annoyedTTCer
[A smart personal decision is to work at a place with a leave policy you agree with,
so your argument just chases it's own tail.
MANY successful countries with capitalist ECONOMIES provide more for the families that serve them.
the US is falling behind every which way possible, yet we still prostrate in front of the almighty corporation, the almighty "dollar".
the dollar aint **** anymore. our graduates are graduating stupider, less likely to really put the work in. our people yell b/c the constitution says it's our right, but left out the part where with the right comes the responsibility to know and understand what we are yelling about...and to yell out ideas to make it better.
you and I have vastly different ideas about where the govt should intervene and why. I am not one to say the govt should give to everyone...only when it's for the GREATER GOOD and makes sense.
a good maternity leave policy just makes sense. it's not about a handout. it's about taking care of those that take care of you.
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Domino
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Re: Interesting article. US Paid Family Leave
ah...never mind....SNWI
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Geez.......why does this have to be a debate at all! Clearly we are all smart, educated, intelligent women and with that comes many opinions. Let's just move on and be thankful for the jobs we DO have since the way things are these days we could be be in a position where it wouldn't even matter.
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Re: Interesting article. US Paid Family Leave
Posted by racheeeee
I live in the UK and we get quite a good deal, my company is on the crappier end of the scale, but I would get six weeks at 90% of my salary (most companies seem to do something like six - twelve weeks paid) and for the remaining 9 months you get Statuatory maternity Pay, which is about $200 a week, after that 9 months you get nothing, however your job is obligated by law to hold your job or a similar job until for up to a year until you return. The US has got it wrong with this policy.
And I get money every week from the government, £20 a week (thats like $35) and I get that until my child is 16, and I get the same for each subsequent child. Its not much, but it helps!
very similar to Ireland as well. my family is SHOCKED that I am not paid anything at all...they're like you don't at least get your statutory pay? so many companies there will give you a percentage of your pay in addition to what you get in statutory pay.
my sister lives in germany and they also have a kick *** maternity pay and get something like 100 Euros a month until the child is 16.
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