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smdl
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Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
Again no bashing.
I see the cartoon that another poster posted..... Taking candy and spreading to lazy trick and treater kids.
Do you think that paying for unemployment out of our paycheck isn't a bit "democratic"?
I mean I have worked 14 years and so far (knock on wood!!) I have NEVER collected unemployment.
I am sure LOTS of Republicans did.
Shouldn't we assume it's like the candy joke? I mean we take from everyone and give to the needy.... aka unemployed people.
Discuss!
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
I have never collected unemployment.
I have known alot of Democrats that have though.
ETA: I never even saw that thread yesterday. I was busy out stimulating the economy.  
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LittleBlueBug
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
Interesting question...
I guess it's how you look at it. To me it like any other insurance policy you pay into. Like you may never get into a car accident, but you pay car insurance (and the ins co's use the money from your premiums to pay out other people's claims). It's there if you need it, but you hope not to use it.
Unfortunately I did once
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evnme
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
there's a big difference between being unemployed b/c you got laid off due to the economy than to being unemployed b/c you're lazy and choose not to work and abuse the system...
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
Where do people that work hard, but dont make as much fit in?
DH and I are both professionals but I recognize that not all careers pay as well
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smdl
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
Posted by Phyl
I have never collected unemployment.
I have known alot of Democrats that have though.
I know that!
What I mean is that I have read lots of thread from McCain/Palin supporters being scared of "socialism", having to pay more.
So if they feel that way, why aren't they seeing that it's a collective withdraw of money by the government to pay for the needy? How is it different?
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smdl
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
Posted by evnme
there's a big difference between being unemployed b/c you got laid off due to the economy than to being unemployed b/c you're lazy and choose not to work and abuse the system...
Regardless, they collect, don't they?
So is it OK because it is the economy? I mean I still pay out of my paycheck.
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
Posted by evnme
there's a big difference between being unemployed b/c you got laid off due to the economy than to being unemployed b/c you're lazy and choose not to work and abuse the system...
umm yea - exactly
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
Posted by smdl
Posted by Phyl
I have never collected unemployment.
I have known alot of Democrats that have though.
I know that!
What I mean is that I have read lots of thread from McCain/Palin supporters being scared of "socialism", having to pay more.
So if they feel that way, why aren't they seeing that it's a collective withdraw of money by the government to pay for the needy? How is it different?
there is a distinct difference between someone who lost their job through no fault of their own and need SHORT TERM financial help while looking for another job, and someone who never had a job and on welfare - and perfectly happy with that arrangement.
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smdl
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by smdl
Posted by Phyl
I have never collected unemployment.
I have known alot of Democrats that have though.
I know that!
What I mean is that I have read lots of thread from McCain/Palin supporters being scared of "socialism", having to pay more.
So if they feel that way, why aren't they seeing that it's a collective withdraw of money by the government to pay for the needy? How is it different?
there is a distinct difference between someone who lost their job through no fault of their own and need SHORT TERM financial help while looking for another job, and someone who never had a job and on welfare - and perfectly happy with that arrangement.
So is it safe to assume that Democrats are seen as "lazy" and just use the system?
This is what the cartoon says.
Then I posted on unemployment and it is changed in economic situation vs lazyness.
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
Posted by smdl
Posted by evnme
there's a big difference between being unemployed b/c you got laid off due to the economy than to being unemployed b/c you're lazy and choose not to work and abuse the system...
Regardless, they collect, don't they?
So is it OK because it is the economy? I mean I still pay out of my paycheck.
let me further explain- if one is unemployed but is actively seeking employment--fine!
but if one is unemployed and is not seeking employment b/c one is lazy--this person is a drain on society and our economy and we should not have to pay for this person to abuse the system we all pay into.
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by smdl
Posted by Phyl
I have never collected unemployment.
I have known alot of Democrats that have though.
I know that!
What I mean is that I have read lots of thread from McCain/Palin supporters being scared of "socialism", having to pay more.
So if they feel that way, why aren't they seeing that it's a collective withdraw of money by the government to pay for the needy? How is it different?
there is a distinct difference between someone who lost their job through no fault of their own and need SHORT TERM financial help while looking for another job, and someone who never had a job and on welfare - and perfectly happy with that arrangement.
i'd like to know when it became acceptable to assume that if someone is on welfare, it automatically means they NEVER had a job????? 
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
Posted by smdl
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by smdl
Posted by Phyl
I have never collected unemployment.
I have known alot of Democrats that have though.
I know that!
What I mean is that I have read lots of thread from McCain/Palin supporters being scared of "socialism", having to pay more.
So if they feel that way, why aren't they seeing that it's a collective withdraw of money by the government to pay for the needy? How is it different?
there is a distinct difference between someone who lost their job through no fault of their own and need SHORT TERM financial help while looking for another job, and someone who never had a job and on welfare - and perfectly happy with that arrangement.
So is it safe to assume that Democrats are seen as "lazy" and just use the system?
This is what the cartoon says.
Then I posted on unemployment and it is changed in economic situation vs lazyness.
the cartoon is poking fun at "spread the wealth" it is showcasing absurdity with absurdity (to borrow a phrase from rush limbaugh)
it is tongue-and-cheek humor--not to be taken seriously.
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
Posted by MrsERod
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by smdl
Posted by Phyl
I have never collected unemployment.
I have known alot of Democrats that have though.
I know that!
What I mean is that I have read lots of thread from McCain/Palin supporters being scared of "socialism", having to pay more.
So if they feel that way, why aren't they seeing that it's a collective withdraw of money by the government to pay for the needy? How is it different?
there is a distinct difference between someone who lost their job through no fault of their own and need SHORT TERM financial help while looking for another job, and someone who never had a job and on welfare - and perfectly happy with that arrangement.
i'd like to know when it became acceptable to assume that if someone is on welfare, it automatically means they NEVER had a job?????
welfare is not short term, unemployment is short term.
hope that helps 
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Phyl
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
Posted by smdl
Posted by Phyl
I have never collected unemployment.
I have known alot of Democrats that have though.
I know that!
What I mean is that I have read lots of thread from McCain/Palin supporters being scared of "socialism", having to pay more.
So if they feel that way, why aren't they seeing that it's a collective withdraw of money by the government to pay for the needy? How is it different?
Personally I don't view unemployment as
political, I view it as people are equal when it comes to that stuff.
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smdl
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
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there's a big difference between being unemployed b/c you got laid off due to the economy than to being unemployed b/c you're lazy and choose not to work and abuse the system...
Regardless, they collect, don't they?
So is it OK because it is the economy? I mean I still pay out of my paycheck.
let me further explain- if one is unemployed but is actively seeking employment--fine!
but if one is unemployed and is not seeking employment b/c one is lazy--this person is a drain on society and our economy and we should not have to pay for this person to abuse the system we all pay into.
So let's forget the unactive umemployed person here for a minute.
Let's say that a hard working Republican lost his job and collect unemployment.
Is the unemployment "fund" based out of everyone contributing to this fund? The government collecting from everyone to pay those people. Isn't the concept more Democrat vs Republican?
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
Posted by smdl
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Posted by smdl
Posted by evnme
there's a big difference between being unemployed b/c you got laid off due to the economy than to being unemployed b/c you're lazy and choose not to work and abuse the system...
Regardless, they collect, don't they?
So is it OK because it is the economy? I mean I still pay out of my paycheck.
let me further explain- if one is unemployed but is actively seeking employment--fine!
but if one is unemployed and is not seeking employment b/c one is lazy--this person is a drain on society and our economy and we should not have to pay for this person to abuse the system we all pay into.
So let's forget the unactive umemployed person here for a minute.
Let's say that a hard working Republican lost his job and collect unemployment.
Is the unemployment "fund" based out of everyone contributing to this fund? The government collecting from everyone to pay those people. Isn't the concept more Democrat vs Republican?
help me understand where republicans on unemployment has anything to do with Obama or McCain's plans? 
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
Posted by smdl
So let's forget the unactive umemployed person here for a minute.
Let's say that a hard working Republican lost his job and collect unemployment.
Is the unemployment "fund" based out of everyone contributing to this fund? The government collecting from everyone to pay those people. Isn't the concept more Democrat vs Republican?
the cartoon is poking fun at obama's economic plan. his "spread the wealth" policy.
this is my rambling train of thought of explaing it (these are my words..)"oh you've made enough money-- money you worked hard for-- let's take more of your hard earned paycheck away by increasing taxes and give it to others who didn't earn it. you've made enough--sorry you can't save for your family and live the life you are earning your paycheck to live--others need your money--above and beyond what you're already being taxed--here have some more taxes taken out of your paycheck"
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smdl
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
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help me understand where republicans on unemployment has anything to do with Obama or McCain's plans?
Nothing! I was reacting to the cartoon and wanted to point out that Republicans DO benefit now to systems in place that are more Democrat in concept.
That's it! It was just food for thoughts.
Not saying who was better than the other. I will not change anyone's opinion nore will I even attempt it.
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
Posted by smdl
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Posted by smdl
Posted by evnme
Posted by smdl
Posted by evnme
there's a big difference between being unemployed b/c you got laid off due to the economy than to being unemployed b/c you're lazy and choose not to work and abuse the system...
Regardless, they collect, don't they?
So is it OK because it is the economy? I mean I still pay out of my paycheck.
let me further explain- if one is unemployed but is actively seeking employment--fine!
but if one is unemployed and is not seeking employment b/c one is lazy--this person is a drain on society and our economy and we should not have to pay for this person to abuse the system we all pay into.
So let's forget the unactive umemployed person here for a minute.
Let's say that a hard working Republican lost his job and collect unemployment.
Is the unemployment "fund" based out of everyone contributing to this fund? The government collecting from everyone to pay those people. Isn't the concept more Democrat vs Republican?
help me understand where republicans on unemployment has anything to do with Obama or McCain's plans?
Nothing! I was reacting to the cartoon and wanted to point out that Republicans DO benefit now to systems in place that are more Democrat in concept.
That's it! It was just food for thoughts.
Not saying who was better than the other. I will not change anyone's opinion nore will I even attempt it.
yes but no one accused Democrats of being the only one's using social programs. Democrats push harder for them - more funding, more programs, etc. whereas the Republican approach/suggestion is to train these people or give them incentives so that they can get off Gov't programs and make their own money.
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smdl
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
Posted by evnme
Posted by smdl
So let's forget the unactive umemployed person here for a minute.
Let's say that a hard working Republican lost his job and collect unemployment.
Is the unemployment "fund" based out of everyone contributing to this fund? The government collecting from everyone to pay those people. Isn't the concept more Democrat vs Republican?
the cartoon is poking fun at obama's economic plan. his "spread the wealth" policy.
this is my rambling train of thought of explaing it (these are my words..)"oh you've made enough money-- money you worked hard for-- let's take more of your hard earned paycheck away by increasing taxes and give it to others who didn't earn it. you've made enough--sorry you can't save for your family and live the life you are earning your paycheck to live--others need your money--above and beyond what you're already being taxed--here have some more taxes taken out of your paycheck"
That was my very basic question about unemployment.
It is taking away from everyone paycheck. Hard earned money.
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
Posted by smdl
That was my very basic question about unemployment.
It is taking away from everyone paycheck. Hard earned money.
yes- under obama's economic plan- he wants to tax us even more than we're being taxed now-- that's the point of the cartoon
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smdl
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by smdl
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by smdl
Posted by evnme
Posted by smdl
Posted by evnme
there's a big difference between being unemployed b/c you got laid off due to the economy than to being unemployed b/c you're lazy and choose not to work and abuse the system...
Regardless, they collect, don't they?
So is it OK because it is the economy? I mean I still pay out of my paycheck.
let me further explain- if one is unemployed but is actively seeking employment--fine!
but if one is unemployed and is not seeking employment b/c one is lazy--this person is a drain on society and our economy and we should not have to pay for this person to abuse the system we all pay into.
So let's forget the unactive umemployed person here for a minute.
Let's say that a hard working Republican lost his job and collect unemployment.
Is the unemployment "fund" based out of everyone contributing to this fund? The government collecting from everyone to pay those people. Isn't the concept more Democrat vs Republican?
help me understand where republicans on unemployment has anything to do with Obama or McCain's plans?
Nothing! I was reacting to the cartoon and wanted to point out that Republicans DO benefit now to systems in place that are more Democrat in concept.
That's it! It was just food for thoughts.
Not saying who was better than the other. I will not change anyone's opinion nore will I even attempt it.
yes but no one accused Democrats of being the only one's using social programs. Democrats push harder for them - more funding, more programs, etc. whereas the Republican approach/suggestion is to train these people or give them incentives so that they can get off Gov't programs and make their own money.
But in reality a lot of Republicans cannot afford being off those programs.
If everything was off the Govenment hands, things would not be affordable for many people. A lot of "republicans" cannot afford private schools. They depend on taxes to support public schools. KWIM?
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
Posted by smdl
But in reality a lot of Republicans cannot afford being off those programs.
If everything was off the Govenment hands, things would not be affordable for many people. A lot of "republicans" cannot afford private schools. They depend on taxes to support public schools. KWIM?
you're missing the point of what i have been trying to explain.
the cartoon is not saying it wants to get rid of programs that help ALL AMERICANS--it is poking fun of "spread the wealth." it is satirizing that we shouldnt lose more of our hard earned paychecks to increased taxes to help those who choose not to help themselves.
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
Giving short term money to someone who has earned money for themselves and has put into the pot is different than giving long term money to those who won't go out and earn it themselves.
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