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Re: DeSantis signs law requiring college faculty, students to take surveys on beliefs
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It is sad how low you think of parents and their job that NEVER ends.
I don't think low of parents at all-- they are people like the rest of us. However, a lot of comments in this thread show how low you think of non-parents ("lololol you aren't a parent; you don't understand").
By law, they are an adult at 18. With this, comes the right to make your own decisions. It's part of the growing-up process.
It is obvious you do with your comments this past year and you obviously have not been around many 18 year olds and lived with them. You want them to start making their own decisions but like I said before, the brain doesn’t fully full until 25 so they still need parents to guide them and they will always need their advice.
It’s a lot different out there now then when we were college age.
So are you saying 18 year olds today are dumber then we were at 18?
Like is this "brain doesn't develop until 25" a new phenomenon?
Where did I say that? Twisting my words once again.
Because you Keep making the argument that time have changed. At some point in our lives we have ALL been 18 and many of us have gone to college and we successfully completed our degrees or whatever without having mommy and daddy involved.
You apparently come across as if an 18 - 22 year old couldn't possibly think for themselves or be active participants in society today without mommy or daddy's help.
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Re: DeSantis signs law requiring college faculty, students to take surveys on beliefs
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How many of you have kids in college?
There is enough feedback out there on the view points of a college and professors, classes etc. If it was that important to you or your child then you could have easily asked the questions or done the research prior to choosing that college or class or even professor. It's part of being an adult, which last time I checked isn't that what college is for? Giving your kids the skills necessary to become active adults in society? Including coming in contact with people who may have differing views.
Should we start making it mandatory to ask all employers to start reporting to the states which way they lean politically?
So that would be a no and you really don’t know what is going on in the classroom. Thanks.
ANYONE who has gone to college knows how college works and knows
what goes on within the walls of a lecture hall.
College is not the same as when we all went a million years ago. Once again people who have no clue and compare to their college days 20 years ago.
And you know this because you have one or two kids in college? I have a huge family and multiple family in many many many colleges...I also have immediate family who teach at colleges, are the Dean of the department. I have several clients that are professors and then those that have children in college.
You are no more knowledgeable then anyone else because you have a kid in college.
So you know how some things are being pushed on the kids. Unless you agree with not allowing students to have their own opinions anymore.
This is a big issue and many parents have complained so it is not just a one professor and one college situation.
If it's such a big problem then don't send you kid to that college. College is a choice.
Funny as I have heard from different friends from different colleges so it was just not one.
Birds of a feather flock together. Your leanings and beliefs seek out those that confirm them. That is why you think this is such a wide spread problem.
Interesting as a governor of an entire state thinks there is a problem but you think only a few certain people imagine it is a wide spread problem. SMH
And look at who that individual is you are talking about. 
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Re: DeSantis signs law requiring college faculty, students to take surveys on beliefs
That's a hypothetical that will never happen, and therefore not worth commenting on.
Here is why it won't happen:
There is no ANY wing, left or right, indoctrination happening in this country's universities.
De Santis and company are inventing a problem that does not exist. They must do this because it is essential for their survival. The Republican party cannot solve the country's problems and therefore faces obsolescence unless it does a few things, some of which I've described in other posts, but one of them is fight the culture wars through grievance politics. To do that, they must stoke fear that young people are going to learn left wing progressive politics in college on a mass scale because it will gain them some votes from people to whom grievance politics is intriguing and who don't know any better.
Another reason is that I am raising my son to be better than that, to understand how to discern fact from fiction, and to understand that we as a nation are only as strong as our weakest. If he is ever susceptible to a right wing nutjob's politics, DH and I have failed as parents, and we won't let that happen.
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Re: DeSantis signs law requiring college faculty, students to take surveys on beliefs
I didn't read through all of the posts but just to address a couple of things - for certain professions college is not optional. For example, I wanted to be an accountant, I needed a degree. Second, for many, in state schools are the ONLY affordable option for college so to that extent, they may not just be able to choose another school. This survey only addressed state schools, which are funded by state taxpayer dollars.
So with that being said, if the only option for you to get a job in your desired profession was to go to a STATE SCHOOL in your home state and that school openly spoke to students about how Trump is great and the only right way to think is to be a trump supporter, offered anti abortion rhetoric, etc, you would all be okay with this? The only reason you all are upset with it is because it is traditionally left wing views that are presented on college campuses. But let's say it was the other way around and everything around you seemed to discourage any left wing views. That wouldn't bother any of you?
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It is sad how low you think of parents and their job that NEVER ends.
I don't think low of parents at all-- they are people like the rest of us. However, a lot of comments in this thread show how low you think of non-parents ("lololol you aren't a parent; you don't understand").
By law, they are an adult at 18. With this, comes the right to make your own decisions. It's part of the growing-up process.
It is obvious you do with your comments this past year and you obviously have not been around many 18 year olds and lived with them. You want them to start making their own decisions but like I said before, the brain doesn’t fully full until 25 so they still need parents to guide them and they will always need their advice.
It’s a lot different out there now then when we were college age.
I was married at 22, moved to another state into my own apartment, paid my own bills, lived my own life and stopped needing my parents to guide me long before I did all of that and age 25.
Speaking as a parent, raising kids today is not that different. At all.
I was 21. That was also almost 30 years ago.
It is A LOT different now to raise kids then for our parents. Why would you think it is the same?
It's not really as different as you think. Every generation thinks it's so much harder and more difficult to raise kids than the generation before them but in reality, it's not. Some different challenges but overall, parenting is parenting. We're not pioneering anything here.
Well I will just have to agree to disagree with you on this. I have been a mother 10 years more than yourself.
We are ALL aware that you THINK you know everything, have more experience and live life better than anyone.  Get over yourself.
That sounds EXACTLY like you
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Re: DeSantis signs law requiring college faculty, students to take surveys on beliefs
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How many of you have kids in college?
There is enough feedback out there on the view points of a college and professors, classes etc. If it was that important to you or your child then you could have easily asked the questions or done the research prior to choosing that college or class or even professor. It's part of being an adult, which last time I checked isn't that what college is for? Giving your kids the skills necessary to become active adults in society? Including coming in contact with people who may have differing views.
Should we start making it mandatory to ask all employers to start reporting to the states which way they lean politically?
So that would be a no and you really don’t know what is going on in the classroom. Thanks.
ANYONE who has gone to college knows how college works and knows
what goes on within the walls of a lecture hall.
College is not the same as when we all went a million years ago. Once again people who have no clue and compare to their college days 20 years ago.
And you know this because you have one or two kids in college? I have a huge family and multiple family in many many many colleges...I also have immediate family who teach at colleges, are the Dean of the department. I have several clients that are professors and then those that have children in college.
You are no more knowledgeable then anyone else because you have a kid in college.
So you know how some things are being pushed on the kids. Unless you agree with not allowing students to have their own opinions anymore.
This is a big issue and many parents have complained so it is not just a one professor and one college situation.
If it's such a big problem then don't send you kid to that college. College is a choice.
Funny as I have heard from different friends from different colleges so it was just not one.
Birds of a feather flock together. Your leanings and beliefs seek out those that confirm them. That is why you think this is such a wide spread problem.
Interesting as a governor of an entire state thinks there is a problem but you think only a few certain people imagine it is a wide spread problem. SMH
DeSantis is an incompetent clown. So there's that.
Much better than Coumo. That’s why so many people are flocking to live there.
Doesn't mean he does a better job.......just means Republicans in NY don't like Cuomo
So only republicans don’t like him and are moving away?
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DeSantis signs law requiring college faculty, students to take surveys on beliefs
I agree that it’s like a big boogeyman that is being weaponized (I agree with JennP).
Historically, higher Ed is to expand the mind, being exposed to x, y, and z, philosophical thoughts, and keg stands. I also agree that college kids should be viewed as adults and parents don’t have a leg to stand on to run and complain about the coursework. It should be on the student if he or she has an issue.
I have a degree and I’ve had professors who were on all sides of the political spectrum like all students have. Generally professors are accepting of students with opposing views and encourage them to properly present or defend an opposing viewpoint or critique.
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AGAIN if so many parents in your social circle feel like the school is pushing their LEFT wing narrative then why would you and your chikd make the decision to send your kid to that school?
So no answer?
I never once said LEFT wing either and I HAVE said these stories are from MULTIPLE schools.
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It is sad how low you think of parents and their job that NEVER ends.
I don't think low of parents at all-- they are people like the rest of us. However, a lot of comments in this thread show how low you think of non-parents ("lololol you aren't a parent; you don't understand").
By law, they are an adult at 18. With this, comes the right to make your own decisions. It's part of the growing-up process.
It is obvious you do with your comments this past year and you obviously have not been around many 18 year olds and lived with them. You want them to start making their own decisions but like I said before, the brain doesn’t fully full until 25 so they still need parents to guide them and they will always need their advice.
It’s a lot different out there now then when we were college age.
So are you saying 18 year olds today are dumber then we were at 18?
Like is this "brain doesn't develop until 25" a new phenomenon?
Where did I say that? Twisting my words once again.
Because you Keep making the argument that time have changed. At some point in our lives we have ALL been 18 and many of us have gone to college and we successfully completed our degrees or whatever without having mommy and daddy involved.
You apparently come across as if an 18 - 22 year old couldn't possibly think for themselves or be active participants in society today without mommy or daddy's help.
Where did anyone say the parents are getting involved? It was all about Desantis. Parents might complain but I don’t know any that go up to a college and say something.
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Re: DeSantis signs law requiring college faculty, students to take surveys on beliefs
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That's a hypothetical that will never happen, and therefore not worth commenting on.
Here is why it won't happen:
There is no ANY wing, left or right, indoctrination happening in this country's universities.
De Santis and company are inventing a problem that does not exist. They must do this because it is essential for their survival. The Republican party cannot solve the country's problems and therefore faces obsolescence unless it does a few things, some of which I've described in other posts, but one of them is fight the culture wars through grievance politics. To do that, they must stoke fear that young people are going to learn left wing progressive politics in college on a mass scale because it will gain them some votes from people to whom grievance politics is intriguing and who don't know any better.
Another reason is that I am raising my son to be better than that, to understand how to discern fact from fiction, and to understand that we as a nation are only as strong as our weakest. If he is ever susceptible to a right wing nutjob's politics, DH and I have failed as parents, and we won't let that happen.
Yes it is not happening but someone is trying to address it for no reason. Seriously?
Isn’t your kid like elementary/middle school age?
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I didn't read through all of the posts but just to address a couple of things - for certain professions college is not optional. For example, I wanted to be an accountant, I needed a degree. Second, for many, in state schools are the ONLY affordable option for college so to that extent, they may not just be able to choose another school. This survey only addressed state schools, which are funded by state taxpayer dollars.
So with that being said, if the only option for you to get a job in your desired profession was to go to a STATE SCHOOL in your home state and that school openly spoke to students about how Trump is great and the only right way to think is to be a trump supporter, offered anti abortion rhetoric, etc, you would all be okay with this? The only reason you all are upset with it is because it is traditionally left wing views that are presented on college campuses. But let's say it was the other way around and everything around you seemed to discourage any left wing views. That wouldn't bother any of you?
Good luck getting an answer as I asked that.
Obviously they all think this is a fake thing that is happening and Desantis MUST be making it all up. SMH
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Re: DeSantis signs law requiring college faculty, students to take surveys on beliefs
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I agree that it’s like a big boogeyman that is being weaponized (I agree with JennP).
Historically, higher Ed is to expand the mind, being exposed to x, y, and z, philosophical thoughts, and keg stands. I also agree that college kids should be viewed as adults and parents don’t have a leg to stand on to run and complain about the coursework. It should be on the student if he or she has an issue.
I have a degree and I’ve had professors who were on all sides of the political spectrum like all students have. Generally professors are accepting of students with opposing views and encourage them to properly present or defend an opposing viewpoint or critique.
Generally, yes, and more years ago, now, no. It seems to be a problem if a governor is addressing it.
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Re: DeSantis signs law requiring college faculty, students to take surveys on beliefs
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I agree that it’s like a big boogeyman that is being weaponized (I agree with JennP).
Historically, higher Ed is to expand the mind, being exposed to x, y, and z, philosophical thoughts, and keg stands. I also agree that college kids should be viewed as adults and parents don’t have a leg to stand on to run and complain about the coursework. It should be on the student if he or she has an issue.
I have a degree and I’ve had professors who were on all sides of the political spectrum like all students have. Generally professors are accepting of students with opposing views and encourage them to properly present or defend an opposing viewpoint or critique.
Generally, yes, and more years ago, now, no. It seems to be a problem if a governor is addressing it.
It’s not; it’s a political play. Is also hypocritical when Republicans such as DeSantis cry for small government and no interference.
Mask mandates - “fascism”
Vaccine mandates - “fascism”
Gun registrations - “fascism”
Having to register your political affiliation - not fascism?
It’s simply a way make scared suburban parents feel that DeSantis is trying hard to make sure that their little angels won’t get a BA as well as also join Antifa.
It doesn’t matter much anyway. Kids are notoriously progressive these days. This will just give the youth another thing to rebel against and could also leas to a decline in enrollment in Florida schools so not a smart move by DeSantis.
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Re: DeSantis signs law requiring college faculty, students to take surveys on beliefs
Posted by BFNY516
I agree that it’s like a big boogeyman that is being weaponized (I agree with JennP).
Historically, higher Ed is to expand the mind, being exposed to x, y, and z, philosophical thoughts, and keg stands. I also agree that college kids should be viewed as adults and parents don’t have a leg to stand on to run and complain about the coursework. It should be on the student if he or she has an issue.
I have a degree and I’ve had professors who were on all sides of the political spectrum like all students have. Generally professors are accepting of students with opposing views and encourage them to properly present or defend an opposing viewpoint or critique.
Agree with you both but you'll never convince Henny Penny using logic. In her world, schools are out to get you, science and medicine are out to get you, the Democrats are out to get you and on and on and on. I've never seen someone so mistrusting of the world.
Anyway, there is zero logic in this argument. 99.9% of professors are there to simply do their job, educate your child to the best of their ability and in no way do they have any sinister agenda to "indoctrinate" your kid into some specific way of thinking. DeSantis is a clown who should be focusing on actual matters of concern in his state instead of fanning the flames of phony "university mind control".
At the end of the day, everyone has free thought. Just because a professor shares his own opinions doesn't mean you need to agree. Trying to shield young adults from varying thought processes and opinions is detrimental to their growth and takes away from the entire college experience. We're trying way too hard nowadays to make the world soft and squishy for kids. It's unfortunate.
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DeSantis signs law requiring college faculty, students to take surveys on beliefs
To also add to the discussion, so much of what shapes a college student happens mostly outside of the lecture hall. Maybe not as much for commuter kids who live with parents but those who leave home for the first time and live elsewhere, not knowing anyone, having to make new friends and have a roommate... it’s a huge chapter of growth. Being exposed to a variety of peers from different places and backgrounds has the capacity to be transforming.
My roommate was unlike anyone I’d ever met from a place I never would have stepped foot in otherwise. That’s where the real growth comes from. Not just the professors they have for an hour. Not to knock any professors out there!
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Re: DeSantis signs law requiring college faculty, students to take surveys on beliefs
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I agree that it’s like a big boogeyman that is being weaponized (I agree with JennP).
Historically, higher Ed is to expand the mind, being exposed to x, y, and z, philosophical thoughts, and keg stands. I also agree that college kids should be viewed as adults and parents don’t have a leg to stand on to run and complain about the coursework. It should be on the student if he or she has an issue.
I have a degree and I’ve had professors who were on all sides of the political spectrum like all students have. Generally professors are accepting of students with opposing views and encourage them to properly present or defend an opposing viewpoint or critique.
Generally, yes, and more years ago, now, no. It seems to be a problem if a governor is addressing it.
It’s not; it’s a political play. Is also hypocritical when Republicans such as DeSantis cry for small government and no interference.
Mask mandates - “fascism”
Vaccine mandates - “fascism”
Gun registrations - “fascism”
Having to register your political affiliation - not fascism?
It’s simply a way make scared suburban parents feel that DeSantis is trying hard to make sure that their little angels won’t get a BA as well as also join Antifa.
It doesn’t matter much anyway. Kids are notoriously progressive these days. This will just give the youth another thing to rebel against and could also leas to a decline in enrollment in Florida schools so not a smart move by DeSantis.
Guess we will see as I know a few kids who are planning to go next year to FL.
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Posted by BFNY516
I agree that it’s like a big boogeyman that is being weaponized (I agree with JennP).
Historically, higher Ed is to expand the mind, being exposed to x, y, and z, philosophical thoughts, and keg stands. I also agree that college kids should be viewed as adults and parents don’t have a leg to stand on to run and complain about the coursework. It should be on the student if he or she has an issue.
I have a degree and I’ve had professors who were on all sides of the political spectrum like all students have. Generally professors are accepting of students with opposing views and encourage them to properly present or defend an opposing viewpoint or critique.
Agree with you both but you'll never convince Henny Penny using logic. In her world, schools are out to get you, science and medicine are out to get you, the Democrats are out to get you and on and on and on. I've never seen someone so mistrusting of the world.
Anyway, there is zero logic in this argument. 99.9% of professors are there to simply do their job, educate your child to the best of their ability and in no way do they have any sinister agenda to "indoctrinate" your kid into some specific way of thinking. DeSantis is a clown who should be focusing on actual matters of concern in his state instead of fanning the flames of phony "university mind control".
At the end of the day, everyone has free thought. Just because a professor shares his own opinions doesn't mean you need to agree. Trying to shield young adults from varying thought processes and opinions is detrimental to their growth and takes away from the entire college experience. We're trying way too hard nowadays to make the world soft and squishy for kids. It's unfortunate.
So you would be ok for your kids to vote Republican? You wouldn’t try and convince them otherwise?
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To also add to the discussion, so much of what shapes a college student happens mostly outside of the lecture hall. Maybe not as much for commuter kids who live with parents but those who leave home for the first time and live elsewhere, not knowing anyone, having to make new friends and have a roommate... it’s a huge chapter of growth. Being exposed to a variety of peers from different places and backgrounds has the capacity to be transforming.
My roommate was unlike anyone I’d ever met from a place I never would have stepped foot in otherwise. That’s where the real growth comes from. Not just the professors they have for an hour. Not to knock any professors out there!
Edited for a missing word.
It’s actually nice that kids can meet their roommates and other fellow students going to the same school way before they even go. It helps them to start off knowing people before even getting on campus.
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DeSantis signs law requiring college faculty, students to take surveys on beliefs
I would never try to convince my children to vote against their beliefs. Their beliefs are their own. My husband and I share our values with them, but once they are adults they will follow their own path and develop their own values.
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Re: DeSantis signs law requiring college faculty, students to take surveys on beliefs
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Posted by BFNY516
I agree that it’s like a big boogeyman that is being weaponized (I agree with JennP).
Historically, higher Ed is to expand the mind, being exposed to x, y, and z, philosophical thoughts, and keg stands. I also agree that college kids should be viewed as adults and parents don’t have a leg to stand on to run and complain about the coursework. It should be on the student if he or she has an issue.
I have a degree and I’ve had professors who were on all sides of the political spectrum like all students have. Generally professors are accepting of students with opposing views and encourage them to properly present or defend an opposing viewpoint or critique.
Agree with you both but you'll never convince Henny Penny using logic. In her world, schools are out to get you, science and medicine are out to get you, the Democrats are out to get you and on and on and on. I've never seen someone so mistrusting of the world.
Anyway, there is zero logic in this argument. 99.9% of professors are there to simply do their job, educate your child to the best of their ability and in no way do they have any sinister agenda to "indoctrinate" your kid into some specific way of thinking. DeSantis is a clown who should be focusing on actual matters of concern in his state instead of fanning the flames of phony "university mind control".
At the end of the day, everyone has free thought. Just because a professor shares his own opinions doesn't mean you need to agree. Trying to shield young adults from varying thought processes and opinions is detrimental to their growth and takes away from the entire college experience. We're trying way too hard nowadays to make the world soft and squishy for kids. It's unfortunate.
So you would be ok for your kids to vote Republican? You wouldn’t try and convince them otherwise?
Why wouldn't I be ok with that? I'm not raising my kids to be my clones. I'm raising them to be intelligent, critically thinking adults with good values and their own opinions. They are free to decide for themselves how to vote, what to support and how they want to live their lives.
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I would never try to convince my children to vote against their beliefs. Their beliefs are their own. My husband and I share our values with them, but once they are adults they will follow their own path and develop their own values.
That is great. I hope you will actually do that when they turn voting age as I can’t see many on this board doing that with their strong beliefs and how they argue with their own family now about politics.
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I agree that it’s like a big boogeyman that is being weaponized (I agree with JennP).
Historically, higher Ed is to expand the mind, being exposed to x, y, and z, philosophical thoughts, and keg stands. I also agree that college kids should be viewed as adults and parents don’t have a leg to stand on to run and complain about the coursework. It should be on the student if he or she has an issue.
I have a degree and I’ve had professors who were on all sides of the political spectrum like all students have. Generally professors are accepting of students with opposing views and encourage them to properly present or defend an opposing viewpoint or critique.
Agree with you both but you'll never convince Henny Penny using logic. In her world, schools are out to get you, science and medicine are out to get you, the Democrats are out to get you and on and on and on. I've never seen someone so mistrusting of the world.
Anyway, there is zero logic in this argument. 99.9% of professors are there to simply do their job, educate your child to the best of their ability and in no way do they have any sinister agenda to "indoctrinate" your kid into some specific way of thinking. DeSantis is a clown who should be focusing on actual matters of concern in his state instead of fanning the flames of phony "university mind control".
At the end of the day, everyone has free thought. Just because a professor shares his own opinions doesn't mean you need to agree. Trying to shield young adults from varying thought processes and opinions is detrimental to their growth and takes away from the entire college experience. We're trying way too hard nowadays to make the world soft and squishy for kids. It's unfortunate.
So you would be ok for your kids to vote Republican? You wouldn’t try and convince them otherwise?
Why wouldn't I be ok with that? I'm not raising my kids to be my clones. I'm raising them to be intelligent, critically thinking adults with good values and their own opinions. They are free to decide for themselves how to vote, what to support and how they want to live their lives.
I find that hard to believe you as didn’t you have a problem with your own family supporting Trump?
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| Posted 6/27/21 9:26 PM |
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Re: DeSantis signs law requiring college faculty, students to take surveys on beliefs
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Posted by Naturalmama
I would never try to convince my children to vote against their beliefs. Their beliefs are their own. My husband and I share our values with them, but once they are adults they will follow their own path and develop their own values.
That is great. I hope you will actually do that when they turn voting age as I can’t see many on this board doing that with their strong beliefs and how they argue with their own family now about politics.
What do you know about how anyone on this board is in their home with their families?  Oh right. You don't. You make such odd comments.
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| Posted 6/27/21 9:27 PM |
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Re: DeSantis signs law requiring college faculty, students to take surveys on beliefs
Posted by windyweather21
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Posted by BFNY516
I agree that it’s like a big boogeyman that is being weaponized (I agree with JennP).
Historically, higher Ed is to expand the mind, being exposed to x, y, and z, philosophical thoughts, and keg stands. I also agree that college kids should be viewed as adults and parents don’t have a leg to stand on to run and complain about the coursework. It should be on the student if he or she has an issue.
I have a degree and I’ve had professors who were on all sides of the political spectrum like all students have. Generally professors are accepting of students with opposing views and encourage them to properly present or defend an opposing viewpoint or critique.
Agree with you both but you'll never convince Henny Penny using logic. In her world, schools are out to get you, science and medicine are out to get you, the Democrats are out to get you and on and on and on. I've never seen someone so mistrusting of the world.
Anyway, there is zero logic in this argument. 99.9% of professors are there to simply do their job, educate your child to the best of their ability and in no way do they have any sinister agenda to "indoctrinate" your kid into some specific way of thinking. DeSantis is a clown who should be focusing on actual matters of concern in his state instead of fanning the flames of phony "university mind control".
At the end of the day, everyone has free thought. Just because a professor shares his own opinions doesn't mean you need to agree. Trying to shield young adults from varying thought processes and opinions is detrimental to their growth and takes away from the entire college experience. We're trying way too hard nowadays to make the world soft and squishy for kids. It's unfortunate.
So you would be ok for your kids to vote Republican? You wouldn’t try and convince them otherwise?
Why wouldn't I be ok with that? I'm not raising my kids to be my clones. I'm raising them to be intelligent, critically thinking adults with good values and their own opinions. They are free to decide for themselves how to vote, what to support and how they want to live their lives.
I find that hard to believe you as didn’t you have a problem with your own family supporting Trump?
I don't particularly give a $hit what you find hard to believe.
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| Posted 6/27/21 9:28 PM |
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Re: DeSantis signs law requiring college faculty, students to take surveys on beliefs
Posted by Naturalmama
I would never try to convince my children to vote against their beliefs. Their beliefs are their own. My husband and I share our values with them, but once they are adults they will follow their own path and develop their own values.
Exactly.
It's not my business as a parent to control my children's beliefs, especially when they are grown adults.
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