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Re: Daunte Wright
Posted by Naturalmama
Just because an individual is resisting arrest, does not mean the cop has the right to kill them. I am not saying it's ok for people to resist arrest, but the idea that you must always respect authority is concerning. My children are very respectful of adults. They are very well behaved and never give teachers one single problem. We have high expectations of our children. That being said, I would never be ok with my DH telling my children they must always do what an adult says, no matter what. Teachers, police officers, priests, coaches, even family members, are capable of using that authority to do pretty terrible things.
So what would you tell them to do? They have a chance to be accidentally killed by resisting and not complying.
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Re: Daunte Wright
Posted by BFNY516
Since it was just an “accident” then maybe police should also be required to carry personal insurance. Like doctors have to do. Instead of tax payers.
Chicago taxpayers have paid half a billion dollars in police misconduct in the last decade.
Yes, I actually was going to say that POs should carry insurance in the same way that medical professionals do. Since the rate of these types of incidents happening is actually extremely small compared to the amount of day in, day out interactions that POs have with the community I am sure that it would not be that expensive to carry this type of policy. But I don't think that people should be held criminally responsible for an accident that takes place at work. I would hope that we could all agree that what happened in this situation is different than what happened to George Floyd.
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Re: Daunte Wright
Posted by Naturalmama
Just because an individual is resisting arrest, does not mean the cop has the right to kill them. I am not saying it's ok for people to resist arrest, but the idea that you must always respect authority is concerning. My children are very respectful of adults. They are very well behaved and never give teachers one single problem. We have high expectations of our children. That being said, I would never be ok with my DH telling my children they must always do what an adult says, no matter what. Teachers, police officers, priests, coaches, even family members, are capable of using that authority to do pretty terrible things.
Perfectly said!
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Re: Daunte Wright
Posted by Naturalmama
Just because an individual is resisting arrest, does not mean the cop has the right to kill them. I am not saying it's ok for people to resist arrest, but the idea that you must always respect authority is concerning. My children are very respectful of adults. They are very well behaved and never give teachers one single problem. We have high expectations of our children. That being said, I would never be ok with my DH telling my children they must always do what an adult says, no matter what. Teachers, police officers, priests, coaches, even family members, are capable of using that authority to do pretty terrible things.
There is a large difference between telling your children that they should do whatever any adult tells them and telling them that if they are in a situation where a police officer is trying to justifiably arrest them they should not resist arrest in any way. They shouldn't run, they shouldn't try to get back in their car, they shouldn't reach into their pockets or do anything that could misconstrue their intentions. They should let the police officer arrest them. Especially in a case where there are multiple witnesses.
My father was a cop and I was always taught that if I was being pulled over it was fine for me to put my hazards on and slowly drive to a place where there are other people, like a gas station or convenience store, if it was late at night and I was alone.
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Re: Daunte Wright
Posted by lululu
Posted by Naturalmama
Just because an individual is resisting arrest, does not mean the cop has the right to kill them. I am not saying it's ok for people to resist arrest, but the idea that you must always respect authority is concerning. My children are very respectful of adults. They are very well behaved and never give teachers one single problem. We have high expectations of our children. That being said, I would never be ok with my DH telling my children they must always do what an adult says, no matter what. Teachers, police officers, priests, coaches, even family members, are capable of using that authority to do pretty terrible things.
There is a large difference between telling your children that they should do whatever any adult tells them and telling them that if they are in a situation where a police officer is trying to justifiably arrest them they should not resist arrest in any way. They shouldn't run, they shouldn't try to get back in their car, they shouldn't reach into their pockets or do anything that could misconstrue their intentions. They should let the police officer arrest them. Especially in a case where there are multiple witnesses.
My father was a cop and I was always taught that if I was being pulled over it was fine for me to put my hazards on and slowly drive to a place where there are other people, like a gas station or convenience store, if it was late at night and I was alone.
Yes yes yes. Basically what I was saying but of course posters made it sound like we approved of abuse.
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Re: Daunte Wright
Posted by lululu
Posted by Naturalmama
Just because an individual is resisting arrest, does not mean the cop has the right to kill them. I am not saying it's ok for people to resist arrest, but the idea that you must always respect authority is concerning. My children are very respectful of adults. They are very well behaved and never give teachers one single problem. We have high expectations of our children. That being said, I would never be ok with my DH telling my children they must always do what an adult says, no matter what. Teachers, police officers, priests, coaches, even family members, are capable of using that authority to do pretty terrible things.
There is a large difference between telling your children that they should do whatever any adult tells them and telling them that if they are in a situation where a police officer is trying to justifiably arrest them they should not resist arrest in any way. They shouldn't run, they shouldn't try to get back in their car, they shouldn't reach into their pockets or do anything that could misconstrue their intentions. They should let the police officer arrest them. Especially in a case where there are multiple witnesses.
My father was a cop and I was always taught that if I was being pulled over it was fine for me to put my hazards on and slowly drive to a place where there are other people, like a gas station or convenience store, if it was late at night and I was alone.
Except for the fact that the recent incident in VA, the driver did exactly what your father told you to do and yet he has 2 officers pull their guns and mace him. For having a temp plate in his window.
And the boy in Chicago that was killed. He stopped had his hands up and was still shot dead!
We have a huge problem in the policing in this country. And no I’m not saying all are bad but we cannot ignore the fact that it is a broken system.
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Re: Daunte Wright
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by lululu
Posted by Naturalmama
Just because an individual is resisting arrest, does not mean the cop has the right to kill them. I am not saying it's ok for people to resist arrest, but the idea that you must always respect authority is concerning. My children are very respectful of adults. They are very well behaved and never give teachers one single problem. We have high expectations of our children. That being said, I would never be ok with my DH telling my children they must always do what an adult says, no matter what. Teachers, police officers, priests, coaches, even family members, are capable of using that authority to do pretty terrible things.
There is a large difference between telling your children that they should do whatever any adult tells them and telling them that if they are in a situation where a police officer is trying to justifiably arrest them they should not resist arrest in any way. They shouldn't run, they shouldn't try to get back in their car, they shouldn't reach into their pockets or do anything that could misconstrue their intentions. They should let the police officer arrest them. Especially in a case where there are multiple witnesses.
My father was a cop and I was always taught that if I was being pulled over it was fine for me to put my hazards on and slowly drive to a place where there are other people, like a gas station or convenience store, if it was late at night and I was alone.
Yes yes yes. Basically what I was saying but of course posters made it sound like we approved of abuse.
Well you basically blamed the victims actions for being the reason he was killed and not the police officer actions even with 20+ years experience. All if it happening while she was TRAINING another officer  I keep seeing that you should always just comply with law enforcement and if you don't there's a good chance you'll be killed.
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Re: Daunte Wright
Posted by alli3131
Posted by lululu
Posted by Naturalmama
Just because an individual is resisting arrest, does not mean the cop has the right to kill them. I am not saying it's ok for people to resist arrest, but the idea that you must always respect authority is concerning. My children are very respectful of adults. They are very well behaved and never give teachers one single problem. We have high expectations of our children. That being said, I would never be ok with my DH telling my children they must always do what an adult says, no matter what. Teachers, police officers, priests, coaches, even family members, are capable of using that authority to do pretty terrible things.
There is a large difference between telling your children that they should do whatever any adult tells them and telling them that if they are in a situation where a police officer is trying to justifiably arrest them they should not resist arrest in any way. They shouldn't run, they shouldn't try to get back in their car, they shouldn't reach into their pockets or do anything that could misconstrue their intentions. They should let the police officer arrest them. Especially in a case where there are multiple witnesses.
My father was a cop and I was always taught that if I was being pulled over it was fine for me to put my hazards on and slowly drive to a place where there are other people, like a gas station or convenience store, if it was late at night and I was alone.
Except for the fact that the recent incident in VA, the driver did exactly what your father told you to do and yet he has 2 officers pull their guns and mace him. For having a temp plate in his window.
And the boy in Chicago that was killed. He stopped had his hands up and was still shot dead!
We have a huge problem in the policing in this country. And no I’m not saying all are bad but we cannot ignore the fact that it is a broken system.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/adam-toledo-video-shows-13-year-old-boy-fatally-shot-by-chicago-police-11618520225
Sounds like again another story of not doing the right thing.
These stories are sad and heartbreaking when parents lose a child but all seem to have similarities of not being 100% innocent.
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Re: Daunte Wright
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by lululu
Posted by Naturalmama
Just because an individual is resisting arrest, does not mean the cop has the right to kill them. I am not saying it's ok for people to resist arrest, but the idea that you must always respect authority is concerning. My children are very respectful of adults. They are very well behaved and never give teachers one single problem. We have high expectations of our children. That being said, I would never be ok with my DH telling my children they must always do what an adult says, no matter what. Teachers, police officers, priests, coaches, even family members, are capable of using that authority to do pretty terrible things.
There is a large difference between telling your children that they should do whatever any adult tells them and telling them that if they are in a situation where a police officer is trying to justifiably arrest them they should not resist arrest in any way. They shouldn't run, they shouldn't try to get back in their car, they shouldn't reach into their pockets or do anything that could misconstrue their intentions. They should let the police officer arrest them. Especially in a case where there are multiple witnesses.
My father was a cop and I was always taught that if I was being pulled over it was fine for me to put my hazards on and slowly drive to a place where there are other people, like a gas station or convenience store, if it was late at night and I was alone.
Yes yes yes. Basically what I was saying but of course posters made it sound like we approved of abuse.
Well you basically blamed the victims actions for being the reason he was killed and not the police officer actions even with 20+ years experience. All if it happening while she was TRAINING another officer I keep seeing that you should always just comply with law enforcement and if you don't there's a good chance you'll be killed.
Yes and she messed up by pulling her gun BUT if he didn’t resist and get back in the car (and then drove away) she wouldn’t have had to tase him.
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Re: Daunte Wright
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by lululu
Posted by Naturalmama
Just because an individual is resisting arrest, does not mean the cop has the right to kill them. I am not saying it's ok for people to resist arrest, but the idea that you must always respect authority is concerning. My children are very respectful of adults. They are very well behaved and never give teachers one single problem. We have high expectations of our children. That being said, I would never be ok with my DH telling my children they must always do what an adult says, no matter what. Teachers, police officers, priests, coaches, even family members, are capable of using that authority to do pretty terrible things.
There is a large difference between telling your children that they should do whatever any adult tells them and telling them that if they are in a situation where a police officer is trying to justifiably arrest them they should not resist arrest in any way. They shouldn't run, they shouldn't try to get back in their car, they shouldn't reach into their pockets or do anything that could misconstrue their intentions. They should let the police officer arrest them. Especially in a case where there are multiple witnesses.
My father was a cop and I was always taught that if I was being pulled over it was fine for me to put my hazards on and slowly drive to a place where there are other people, like a gas station or convenience store, if it was late at night and I was alone.
Yes yes yes. Basically what I was saying but of course posters made it sound like we approved of abuse.
Well you basically blamed the victims actions for being the reason he was killed and not the police officer actions even with 20+ years experience. All if it happening while she was TRAINING another officer I keep seeing that you should always just comply with law enforcement and if you don't there's a good chance you'll be killed.
Yes and she messed up by pulling her gun BUT if he didn’t resist and get back in the car (and then drove away) she wouldn’t have had to tase him.
Um did you watch the video? He drove away AFTER he was shot. Did you just expect him to sit there after being shot?
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Re: Daunte Wright
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by lululu
Posted by Naturalmama
Just because an individual is resisting arrest, does not mean the cop has the right to kill them. I am not saying it's ok for people to resist arrest, but the idea that you must always respect authority is concerning. My children are very respectful of adults. They are very well behaved and never give teachers one single problem. We have high expectations of our children. That being said, I would never be ok with my DH telling my children they must always do what an adult says, no matter what. Teachers, police officers, priests, coaches, even family members, are capable of using that authority to do pretty terrible things.
There is a large difference between telling your children that they should do whatever any adult tells them and telling them that if they are in a situation where a police officer is trying to justifiably arrest them they should not resist arrest in any way. They shouldn't run, they shouldn't try to get back in their car, they shouldn't reach into their pockets or do anything that could misconstrue their intentions. They should let the police officer arrest them. Especially in a case where there are multiple witnesses.
My father was a cop and I was always taught that if I was being pulled over it was fine for me to put my hazards on and slowly drive to a place where there are other people, like a gas station or convenience store, if it was late at night and I was alone.
Yes yes yes. Basically what I was saying but of course posters made it sound like we approved of abuse.
Well you basically blamed the victims actions for being the reason he was killed and not the police officer actions even with 20+ years experience. All if it happening while she was TRAINING another officer I keep seeing that you should always just comply with law enforcement and if you don't there's a good chance you'll be killed.
Yes and she messed up by pulling her gun BUT if he didn’t resist and get back in the car (and then drove away) she wouldn’t have had to tase him.
Um did you watch the video? He drove away AFTER he was shot. Did you just expect him to sit there after being shot?
Umm yes as he could have been helped but instead crashed and could have harmed his passenger.
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Re: Daunte Wright
Posted by alli3131
Posted by lululu
Posted by Naturalmama
Just because an individual is resisting arrest, does not mean the cop has the right to kill them. I am not saying it's ok for people to resist arrest, but the idea that you must always respect authority is concerning. My children are very respectful of adults. They are very well behaved and never give teachers one single problem. We have high expectations of our children. That being said, I would never be ok with my DH telling my children they must always do what an adult says, no matter what. Teachers, police officers, priests, coaches, even family members, are capable of using that authority to do pretty terrible things.
There is a large difference between telling your children that they should do whatever any adult tells them and telling them that if they are in a situation where a police officer is trying to justifiably arrest them they should not resist arrest in any way. They shouldn't run, they shouldn't try to get back in their car, they shouldn't reach into their pockets or do anything that could misconstrue their intentions. They should let the police officer arrest them. Especially in a case where there are multiple witnesses.
My father was a cop and I was always taught that if I was being pulled over it was fine for me to put my hazards on and slowly drive to a place where there are other people, like a gas station or convenience store, if it was late at night and I was alone.
Except for the fact that the recent incident in VA, the driver did exactly what your father told you to do and yet he has 2 officers pull their guns and mace him. For having a temp plate in his window.
And the boy in Chicago that was killed. He stopped had his hands up and was still shot dead!
We have a huge problem in the policing in this country. And no I’m not saying all are bad but we cannot ignore the fact that it is a broken system.
To me saying the entire system is broken is like saying that 7 people getting a rare blood clot disorder from a covid vaccine means the vaccine is broken. There are broken pieces of course, but these things are extremely rare, even thou the media would like you to believe they are not. The media makes it seem like if you are black and you get pulled over you are pretty much dead. That’s not the case. There are millions of routine traffic stops every year that do not end up like theses incidents. Does that mean any of these are okay? No, but now people think the right thing to do is to run from the police. It’s insane.
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Re: Daunte Wright
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by lululu
Posted by Naturalmama
Just because an individual is resisting arrest, does not mean the cop has the right to kill them. I am not saying it's ok for people to resist arrest, but the idea that you must always respect authority is concerning. My children are very respectful of adults. They are very well behaved and never give teachers one single problem. We have high expectations of our children. That being said, I would never be ok with my DH telling my children they must always do what an adult says, no matter what. Teachers, police officers, priests, coaches, even family members, are capable of using that authority to do pretty terrible things.
There is a large difference between telling your children that they should do whatever any adult tells them and telling them that if they are in a situation where a police officer is trying to justifiably arrest them they should not resist arrest in any way. They shouldn't run, they shouldn't try to get back in their car, they shouldn't reach into their pockets or do anything that could misconstrue their intentions. They should let the police officer arrest them. Especially in a case where there are multiple witnesses.
My father was a cop and I was always taught that if I was being pulled over it was fine for me to put my hazards on and slowly drive to a place where there are other people, like a gas station or convenience store, if it was late at night and I was alone.
Yes yes yes. Basically what I was saying but of course posters made it sound like we approved of abuse.
Well you basically blamed the victims actions for being the reason he was killed and not the police officer actions even with 20+ years experience. All if it happening while she was TRAINING another officer I keep seeing that you should always just comply with law enforcement and if you don't there's a good chance you'll be killed.
I actually never said the victims actions were to blame. Even if he was resisting arrest and running away shooting him would have been the wrong thing to do. However I don’t think her intent was to shoot. I think it was an accident. And she was a veteran cop of 26 years. I am sure that she will never get over the fact that she took another life. This is not a Chauvin type mistake. This was a good cop that made a terrible case and there is a huge difference.
However I think people are going to extremes now teaching their children that they should fear the police. You should teach your children to have the right amount of respect for authority. Not that they should run from the police.
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Re: Daunte Wright
Posted by lululu
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by lululu
She should not have been charged with manslaughter, plain and simple. If a doctor makes an error and accidentally kills a patient, there are consequences, but jail time is not one of them. This is the same thing.
Personally I hope that there is a huge decline in people who want to go into law enforcement. Then people might start to understand and respect the impossible position that the police force has been put in.
And this is why she will probably walk away with a 20k fine and no jail time.
Did anyone else read how she was training someone at the time of the killing?
She doesn't deserve jail or a fine in my opinion. She was doing her job and she made a mistake. This is not something that would have been fixed with better training. It was a split second decision that resulted in a horrific accident.
I think most of the people who want to see her go to jail are coming from a position of privilege that they never had to have a member of their immediate family in law enforcement. That's a privilege I would have liked to know growing up. I would have loved to not have had to go to bed every night worrying if my father would come home. But I digress....
And I know I have white privilege. I know I have a TON of privilege in addition to my white privilege. That doesn't take away my view that this woman does not deserve to be charged with manslaughter.
I truly hope that in the near future no one decides to pursue a career in law enforcement. I've actually been saying it for years.
You don’t think she deserves no punishment for her mistake???!!! Really??!!!
Not even fired. Listen I said already I’m not sure how I feel about her being charged criminally but she should 100% be fired. If you make a a big mistake at any job chances are more than likely you are being fired or being disciplined in some way.
This coming from someone who had family in law enforcement!
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Re: Daunte Wright
Posted by blu6385
Posted by lululu
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by lululu
She should not have been charged with manslaughter, plain and simple. If a doctor makes an error and accidentally kills a patient, there are consequences, but jail time is not one of them. This is the same thing.
Personally I hope that there is a huge decline in people who want to go into law enforcement. Then people might start to understand and respect the impossible position that the police force has been put in.
And this is why she will probably walk away with a 20k fine and no jail time.
Did anyone else read how she was training someone at the time of the killing?
She doesn't deserve jail or a fine in my opinion. She was doing her job and she made a mistake. This is not something that would have been fixed with better training. It was a split second decision that resulted in a horrific accident.
I think most of the people who want to see her go to jail are coming from a position of privilege that they never had to have a member of their immediate family in law enforcement. That's a privilege I would have liked to know growing up. I would have loved to not have had to go to bed every night worrying if my father would come home. But I digress....
And I know I have white privilege. I know I have a TON of privilege in addition to my white privilege. That doesn't take away my view that this woman does not deserve to be charged with manslaughter.
I truly hope that in the near future no one decides to pursue a career in law enforcement. I've actually been saying it for years.
You don’t think she deserves no punishment for her mistake???!!! Really??!!!
Not even fired. Listen I said already I’m not sure how I feel about her being charged criminally but she should 100% be fired. If you make a a big mistake at any job chances are more than likely you are being fired or being disciplined in some way.
This coming from someone who had family in law enforcement!
Actually I never said how I felt about her getting fired. Did I?
I actually do think she deserves to lose her job if it makes you feel better. It’s unfortunate but you can’t make a mistake like that and keep your job. But thank you for making assumptions about something I never commented on. I just said I didn’t think jail time or a fine was appropriate. As per usual people read what they want to read instead of what was actually written.
Just out of curiosity, is your “family in law enforcement” immediate family? Or is it more like your cousin’s wife’s brother?
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Re: Daunte Wright
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by lululu
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by lululu
She should not have been charged with manslaughter, plain and simple. If a doctor makes an error and accidentally kills a patient, there are consequences, but jail time is not one of them. This is the same thing.
Personally I hope that there is a huge decline in people who want to go into law enforcement. Then people might start to understand and respect the impossible position that the police force has been put in.
And this is why she will probably walk away with a 20k fine and no jail time.
Did anyone else read how she was training someone at the time of the killing?
She doesn't deserve jail or a fine in my opinion. She was doing her job and she made a mistake. This is not something that would have been fixed with better training. It was a split second decision that resulted in a horrific accident.
I think most of the people who want to see her go to jail are coming from a position of privilege that they never had to have a member of their immediate family in law enforcement. That's a privilege I would have liked to know growing up. I would have loved to not have had to go to bed every night worrying if my father would come home. But I digress....
And I know I have white privilege. I know I have a TON of privilege in addition to my white privilege. That doesn't take away my view that this woman does not deserve to be charged with manslaughter.
I truly hope that in the near future no one decides to pursue a career in law enforcement. I've actually been saying it for years.
You don’t think she deserves no punishment for her mistake???!!! Really??!!!
Not even fired. Listen I said already I’m not sure how I feel about her being charged criminally but she should 100% be fired. If you make a a big mistake at any job chances are more than likely you are being fired or being disciplined in some way.
This coming from someone who had family in law enforcement!
Actually I never said how I felt about her getting fired. Did I?
I actually do think she deserves to lose her job if it makes you feel better. It’s unfortunate but you can’t make a mistake like that and keep your job. But thank you for making assumptions about something I never commented on. I just said I didn’t think jail time or a fine was appropriate. As per usual people read what they want to read instead of what was actually written.
Just out of curiosity, is your “family in law enforcement” immediate family? Or is it more like your cousin’s wife’s brother?
Your right I did assume you meant no punishment since you said no jail time or fine and the way you worded made it seem like she was doing her job she made a horrific mistake but mistakes happen.
So my bad. See I can admit I interpreted it wrong.
My dad actually if you need to know not sure why that makes any difference on whose family member it is.
See even with family and friends in law enforcement I have no problem saying there are bad cops and there are good cops. And clearly somethings need to be changed when it comes to training them!
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Re: Daunte Wright
Posted by blu6385
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by lululu
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by lululu
She should not have been charged with manslaughter, plain and simple. If a doctor makes an error and accidentally kills a patient, there are consequences, but jail time is not one of them. This is the same thing.
Personally I hope that there is a huge decline in people who want to go into law enforcement. Then people might start to understand and respect the impossible position that the police force has been put in.
And this is why she will probably walk away with a 20k fine and no jail time.
Did anyone else read how she was training someone at the time of the killing?
She doesn't deserve jail or a fine in my opinion. She was doing her job and she made a mistake. This is not something that would have been fixed with better training. It was a split second decision that resulted in a horrific accident.
I think most of the people who want to see her go to jail are coming from a position of privilege that they never had to have a member of their immediate family in law enforcement. That's a privilege I would have liked to know growing up. I would have loved to not have had to go to bed every night worrying if my father would come home. But I digress....
And I know I have white privilege. I know I have a TON of privilege in addition to my white privilege. That doesn't take away my view that this woman does not deserve to be charged with manslaughter.
I truly hope that in the near future no one decides to pursue a career in law enforcement. I've actually been saying it for years.
You don’t think she deserves no punishment for her mistake???!!! Really??!!!
Not even fired. Listen I said already I’m not sure how I feel about her being charged criminally but she should 100% be fired. If you make a a big mistake at any job chances are more than likely you are being fired or being disciplined in some way.
This coming from someone who had family in law enforcement!
Actually I never said how I felt about her getting fired. Did I?
I actually do think she deserves to lose her job if it makes you feel better. It’s unfortunate but you can’t make a mistake like that and keep your job. But thank you for making assumptions about something I never commented on. I just said I didn’t think jail time or a fine was appropriate. As per usual people read what they want to read instead of what was actually written.
Just out of curiosity, is your “family in law enforcement” immediate family? Or is it more like your cousin’s wife’s brother?
Your right I did assume you meant no punishment since you said no jail time or fine and the way you worded made it seem like she was doing her job she made a horrific mistake but mistakes happen.
So my bad. See I can admit I interpreted it wrong.
My dad actually if you need to know not sure why that makes any difference on whose family member it is.
See even with family and friends in law enforcement I have no problem saying there are bad cops and there are good cops. And clearly somethings need to be changed when it comes to training them!
I was just curious because I think a lot of people throw things around to make it seem like they can relate to an experience. Clearly you can relate. And I absolutely agree with you - More/better training can only help people. But the entire system is not broken. It will be soon when no one wants to be a cop anymore. But 99.99999% of cops are good cops who became cops so they could live a life of service.
I think the main problem is that people can no longer distinguish the difference between this situation and the George Floyd situation.
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Re: Daunte Wright
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
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Posted by RainyDay
Posted by lululu
She should not have been charged with manslaughter, plain and simple. If a doctor makes an error and accidentally kills a patient, there are consequences, but jail time is not one of them. This is the same thing.
Personally I hope that there is a huge decline in people who want to go into law enforcement. Then people might start to understand and respect the impossible position that the police force has been put in.
And this is why she will probably walk away with a 20k fine and no jail time.
Did anyone else read how she was training someone at the time of the killing?
She doesn't deserve jail or a fine in my opinion. She was doing her job and she made a mistake. This is not something that would have been fixed with better training. It was a split second decision that resulted in a horrific accident.
I think most of the people who want to see her go to jail are coming from a position of privilege that they never had to have a member of their immediate family in law enforcement. That's a privilege I would have liked to know growing up. I would have loved to not have had to go to bed every night worrying if my father would come home. But I digress....
And I know I have white privilege. I know I have a TON of privilege in addition to my white privilege. That doesn't take away my view that this woman does not deserve to be charged with manslaughter.
I truly hope that in the near future no one decides to pursue a career in law enforcement. I've actually been saying it for years.
You don’t think she deserves no punishment for her mistake???!!! Really??!!!
Not even fired. Listen I said already I’m not sure how I feel about her being charged criminally but she should 100% be fired. If you make a a big mistake at any job chances are more than likely you are being fired or being disciplined in some way.
This coming from someone who had family in law enforcement!
Actually I never said how I felt about her getting fired. Did I?
I actually do think she deserves to lose her job if it makes you feel better. It’s unfortunate but you can’t make a mistake like that and keep your job. But thank you for making assumptions about something I never commented on. I just said I didn’t think jail time or a fine was appropriate. As per usual people read what they want to read instead of what was actually written.
Just out of curiosity, is your “family in law enforcement” immediate family? Or is it more like your cousin’s wife’s brother?
Your right I did assume you meant no punishment since you said no jail time or fine and the way you worded made it seem like she was doing her job she made a horrific mistake but mistakes happen.
So my bad. See I can admit I interpreted it wrong.
My dad actually if you need to know not sure why that makes any difference on whose family member it is.
See even with family and friends in law enforcement I have no problem saying there are bad cops and there are good cops. And clearly somethings need to be changed when it comes to training them!
I was just curious because I think a lot of people throw things around to make it seem like they can relate to an experience. Clearly you can relate. And I absolutely agree with you - More/better training can only help people. But the entire system is not broken. It will be soon when no one wants to be a cop anymore. But 99.99999% of cops are good cops who became cops so they could live a life of service.
I think the main problem is that people can no longer distinguish the difference between this situation and the George Floyd situation.
Or maybe it's also that 164 Black men and women were killed by police from January 1 to August 31, 2020.
I think your percentage of "good cops" is way off.
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Daunte Wright
I have never said what this young man did was right. He was clearly wrong for getting back in the car and trying to flee. I am not condoning what he did, and I also know this case is nothing like the George Floyd case. IMO, this post isn't a debate on whether he was innocent. Of course he wasn't. Did the officer truly mistake her gun for her taser? I lean toward yes because I watched the video. But I don't think we will ever know for sure- we weren't in her head.
This post has turned into a "don't do anything wrong and you won't get shot". That's not always true. What about the man (forgive me for not remembering his name) who was shot and killed in front of his 4 year old child when the video clearly shows him telling the cop his license and registration were in the glove box and he needed to get them. Yet he was shot for going in the glove box. Sometimes you can do the right thing and still have those in positions of power hurt you. And more often than not- not ALWAYS- but often, it is a POC on the receiving end. I am not saying white cops go out on the job on the prowl to kill black men. What I am saying is part of the systemic racism problem we face is that these white cops fear black men. Even when they are given no reason to. Our minds are trained by society to fear certain groups of people more than others. So these cops go into these stops assuming because the person is black, they will become violent, so they panic and start shooting. Just because they didn't go on the prowl for a black person to kill, doesn't mean these deaths were not fueled by racism.
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| Posted 4/15/21 11:19 AM |
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Re: Daunte Wright
Posted by Naturalmama
I have never said what this young man did was right. He was clearly wrong for getting back in the car and trying to flee. I am not condoning what he did, and I also know this case is nothing like the George Floyd case. IMO, this post isn't a debate on whether he was innocent. Of course he wasn't. Did the officer truly mistake her gun for her taser? I lean toward yes because I watched the video. But I don't think we will ever know for sure- we weren't in her head.
This post has turned into a "don't do anything wrong and you won't get shot". That's not always true. What about the man (forgive me for not remembering his name) who was shot and killed in front of his 4 year old child when the video clearly shows him telling the cop his license and registration were in the glove box and he needed to get them. Yet he was shot for going in the glove box. Sometimes you can do the right thing and still have those in positions of power hurt you. And more often than not- not ALWAYS- but often, it is a POC on the receiving end. I am not saying white cops go out on the job on the prowl to kill black men. What I am saying is part of the systemic racism problem we face is that these white cops fear black men. Even when they are given no reason to. Our minds are trained by society to fear certain groups of people more than others. So these cops go into these stops assuming because the person is black, they will become violent, so they panic and start shooting. Just because they didn't go on the prowl for a black person to kill, doesn't mean these deaths were not fueled by racism.
Well said! 
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| Posted 4/15/21 11:41 AM |
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Posted by lululu
Posted by alli3131
Posted by lululu
Posted by Naturalmama
Just because an individual is resisting arrest, does not mean the cop has the right to kill them. I am not saying it's ok for people to resist arrest, but the idea that you must always respect authority is concerning. My children are very respectful of adults. They are very well behaved and never give teachers one single problem. We have high expectations of our children. That being said, I would never be ok with my DH telling my children they must always do what an adult says, no matter what. Teachers, police officers, priests, coaches, even family members, are capable of using that authority to do pretty terrible things.
There is a large difference between telling your children that they should do whatever any adult tells them and telling them that if they are in a situation where a police officer is trying to justifiably arrest them they should not resist arrest in any way. They shouldn't run, they shouldn't try to get back in their car, they shouldn't reach into their pockets or do anything that could misconstrue their intentions. They should let the police officer arrest them. Especially in a case where there are multiple witnesses.
My father was a cop and I was always taught that if I was being pulled over it was fine for me to put my hazards on and slowly drive to a place where there are other people, like a gas station or convenience store, if it was late at night and I was alone.
Except for the fact that the recent incident in VA, the driver did exactly what your father told you to do and yet he has 2 officers pull their guns and mace him. For having a temp plate in his window.
And the boy in Chicago that was killed. He stopped had his hands up and was still shot dead!
We have a huge problem in the policing in this country. And no I’m not saying all are bad but we cannot ignore the fact that it is a broken system.
To me saying the entire system is broken is like saying that 7 people getting a rare blood clot disorder from a covid vaccine means the vaccine is broken. There are broken pieces of course, but these things are extremely rare, even thou the media would like you to believe they are not. The media makes it seem like if you are black and you get pulled over you are pretty much dead. That’s not the case. There are millions of routine traffic stops every year that do not end up like theses incidents. Does that mean any of these are okay? No, but now people think the right thing to do is to run from the police. It’s insane.
Yes yes yes thank.you!!!
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Re: Daunte Wright
Posted by Naturalmama
I have never said what this young man did was right. He was clearly wrong for getting back in the car and trying to flee. I am not condoning what he did, and I also know this case is nothing like the George Floyd case. IMO, this post isn't a debate on whether he was innocent. Of course he wasn't. Did the officer truly mistake her gun for her taser? I lean toward yes because I watched the video. But I don't think we will ever know for sure- we weren't in her head.
This post has turned into a "don't do anything wrong and you won't get shot". That's not always true. What about the man (forgive me for not remembering his name) who was shot and killed in front of his 4 year old child when the video clearly shows him telling the cop his license and registration were in the glove box and he needed to get them. Yet he was shot for going in the glove box. Sometimes you can do the right thing and still have those in positions of power hurt you. And more often than not- not ALWAYS- but often, it is a POC on the receiving end. I am not saying white cops go out on the job on the prowl to kill black men. What I am saying is part of the systemic racism problem we face is that these white cops fear black men. Even when they are given no reason to. Our minds are trained by society to fear certain groups of people more than others. So these cops go into these stops assuming because the person is black, they will become violent, so they panic and start shooting. Just because they didn't go on the prowl for a black person to kill, doesn't mean these deaths were not fueled by racism.
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Re: Daunte Wright
Posted by StaceyWill
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by lululu
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by lululu
She should not have been charged with manslaughter, plain and simple. If a doctor makes an error and accidentally kills a patient, there are consequences, but jail time is not one of them. This is the same thing.
Personally I hope that there is a huge decline in people who want to go into law enforcement. Then people might start to understand and respect the impossible position that the police force has been put in.
And this is why she will probably walk away with a 20k fine and no jail time.
Did anyone else read how she was training someone at the time of the killing?
She doesn't deserve jail or a fine in my opinion. She was doing her job and she made a mistake. This is not something that would have been fixed with better training. It was a split second decision that resulted in a horrific accident.
I think most of the people who want to see her go to jail are coming from a position of privilege that they never had to have a member of their immediate family in law enforcement. That's a privilege I would have liked to know growing up. I would have loved to not have had to go to bed every night worrying if my father would come home. But I digress....
And I know I have white privilege. I know I have a TON of privilege in addition to my white privilege. That doesn't take away my view that this woman does not deserve to be charged with manslaughter.
I truly hope that in the near future no one decides to pursue a career in law enforcement. I've actually been saying it for years.
You don’t think she deserves no punishment for her mistake???!!! Really??!!!
Not even fired. Listen I said already I’m not sure how I feel about her being charged criminally but she should 100% be fired. If you make a a big mistake at any job chances are more than likely you are being fired or being disciplined in some way.
This coming from someone who had family in law enforcement!
Actually I never said how I felt about her getting fired. Did I?
I actually do think she deserves to lose her job if it makes you feel better. It’s unfortunate but you can’t make a mistake like that and keep your job. But thank you for making assumptions about something I never commented on. I just said I didn’t think jail time or a fine was appropriate. As per usual people read what they want to read instead of what was actually written.
Just out of curiosity, is your “family in law enforcement” immediate family? Or is it more like your cousin’s wife’s brother?
Your right I did assume you meant no punishment since you said no jail time or fine and the way you worded made it seem like she was doing her job she made a horrific mistake but mistakes happen.
So my bad. See I can admit I interpreted it wrong.
My dad actually if you need to know not sure why that makes any difference on whose family member it is.
See even with family and friends in law enforcement I have no problem saying there are bad cops and there are good cops. And clearly somethings need to be changed when it comes to training them!
I was just curious because I think a lot of people throw things around to make it seem like they can relate to an experience. Clearly you can relate. And I absolutely agree with you - More/better training can only help people. But the entire system is not broken. It will be soon when no one wants to be a cop anymore. But 99.99999% of cops are good cops who became cops so they could live a life of service.
I think the main problem is that people can no longer distinguish the difference between this situation and the George Floyd situation.
Or maybe it's also that 164 Black men and women were killed by police from January 1 to August 31, 2020.
I think your percentage of "good cops" is way off.
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.statista.com%2Fstatistics%2F585152%2Fpeople-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cgcorcoran%40voxxintl.com%7C6ede3caca94e4585dd2a08d900c8b5a7%7C24a59034d85642fcbcd7f34a93ca2327%7C0%7C0%7C637541684313014745%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=ZmC74REMRNEYGpTWts3zG35vxKTPt%2BF4RL%2BcvDGMPRY%3D&reserved=0
Where did you get that number from?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
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StaceyWill
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Re: Daunte Wright
CBS.com
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Re: Daunte Wright
Thank you.
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