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HeathKernandez
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by Deedlebug126
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Posted by Deedlebug126
Even the Cookie Monster dislikes Obama, he is yelling at him because Obama wants to take all his cookies and give them to the people who dont have cookies, even though Cookie Monster worked hard for those cookies.
Cookie Monster no like Socialist. "He want my cookies"
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I even chuckled at that one, but you see in a perfect socialist society, everyone would have their own cookies and no one would want any more.
ETA: you people go and try to live in a socialist undertoned society (as pure socialism wouldn't ever happen here) and get back to me. KTHXBYE. Socialism is just another fear tactic that has been used- open your eyes.
Wow, I didnt realize you were a McCain supporter  There are plenty of other posts where you can go and airhump Obama, Kthxbye
And no my dear, its not a fear tactic, My eyes are open and what I see is very very bad
yeah, ok that went right over your head.
totally..
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Why does every political thread on this board turn into a big pi$$ing match? People here expect more details & confirmed facts than they expect from the candidate they so valiantly support.
Can we ever just stick to the topic?
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ChilisWife
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by smdl
Posted by snowflake08
Posted by smdl
Posted by ChilisWife
Socialism leads to communism.
Could you name examples of what you are saying?
it is the deterioration of the power of the people
it is how the power moves AWAY from the people and them having their own rights and into the hands of the government to 'redistribute" as they see fit
I am actually asking for actual facts of countries that have fallen in this category.
Because I lived in a Socialist country and so far France is not Communist, far from it actually.
So I am really interested in being given actual examples.
I don't have an example of a capitalist country that turned socialist and eventually communist. All I am saying is that the philosophy of socialism is closer to the philosophy of communism (from each according to their ability, to each according to their need) so eventually over time it may be easier to slide further and further away from capitalism.
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Deedlebugs
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Because I suppose they didnt get the answers they were looking for...
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smdl
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by snowflake08
Posted by smdl
Posted by snowflake08
Posted by smdl
Posted by ChilisWife
Socialism leads to communism.
Could you name examples of what you are saying?
it is the deterioration of the power of the people
it is how the power moves AWAY from the people and them having their own rights and into the hands of the government to 'redistribute" as they see fit
I am actually asking for actual facts of countries that have fallen in this category.
Because I lived in a Socialist country and so far France is not Communist, far from it actually.
So I am really interested in being given actual examples.
what is this economics class? LOL
You didnt ask for examples but it is a MOVE in that direction - I answered your question
The poster I quoted wrote that Socialism lead to Communism so I asked to give me an example of such countries. Not some hypothetic scenario of what could have/should have/would have.
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klingklang77
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by Deedlebug126
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by Deedlebug126
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by Deedlebug126
Even the Cookie Monster dislikes Obama, he is yelling at him because Obama wants to take all his cookies and give them to the people who dont have cookies, even though Cookie Monster worked hard for those cookies.
Cookie Monster no like Socialist. "He want my cookies"
IMAGE
I even chuckled at that one, but you see in a perfect socialist society, everyone would have their own cookies and no one would want any more.
ETA: you people go and try to live in a socialist undertoned society (as pure socialism wouldn't ever happen here) and get back to me. KTHXBYE. Socialism is just another fear tactic that has been used- open your eyes.
Wow, I didnt realize you were a McCain supporter There are plenty of other posts where you can go and airhump Obama, Kthxbye
And no my dear, its not a fear tactic, My eyes are open and what I see is very very bad
yeah, ok that went right over your head.
NM I wont stoop... 
I've already seen the eye roll.
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dandr10199
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by JRD2008
Posted by ChilisWife
Several things making me lean towards McCain. Some of them are:
1. His unquestionable and complete loyalty and service to his country - both while in the military and Vietnam, and his many years as senator.
2. His understanding of the need for small businesses to be allowed to be profitable and to remain in the US and the fact that he does not believe that "tax the rich" is the answer to every problem.
3. His repeated emphasis on the need to cut frivolous spending.
4. His understanding that although the war in Iraq is unpopular and everyone wants the troops to come home, to simply "pull out" without planning would be detrimental to the security of the US.
5. I feel confidence in his leadership and experience. I think the "real" McCain is the person he was in past years and that he has not accurately portrayed his "true" views on issues during this campaign. Unfortunately for some reason he feels he has to pander to his constituents.
6. Yes I am pro choice, however, I cannot be held hostage by a candidate on one social issue.
 very well said...I agree with this word for word. Except...I am pro life.
ITA word for word as well, but I am pro-life too.
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Deedlebugs
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by Deedlebug126
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by Deedlebug126
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by Deedlebug126
Even the Cookie Monster dislikes Obama, he is yelling at him because Obama wants to take all his cookies and give them to the people who dont have cookies, even though Cookie Monster worked hard for those cookies.
Cookie Monster no like Socialist. "He want my cookies"
IMAGE
I even chuckled at that one, but you see in a perfect socialist society, everyone would have their own cookies and no one would want any more.
ETA: you people go and try to live in a socialist undertoned society (as pure socialism wouldn't ever happen here) and get back to me. KTHXBYE. Socialism is just another fear tactic that has been used- open your eyes.
Wow, I didnt realize you were a McCain supporter There are plenty of other posts where you can go and airhump Obama, Kthxbye
And no my dear, its not a fear tactic, My eyes are open and what I see is very very bad
yeah, ok that went right over your head.
NM I wont stoop...
I've already seen the eye roll.
And Now, for those of us who live here, back to suppoting McCain and protecting our country...
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HoneyBadger
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by snowflake08
not everyone numbered their answers and the first poster and I did, but there were several that did answer the original question and give their reasons
I literally counted 4 people (including yourself) who gave actual answers. I didn't count people who just wrote "ditto" as I don't think that's really sharing "their" POV but rather just parroting what someone else said.
Seriously, if you go back to the first page you'll see only four people really answered the questions with or without numbering their "line items".
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sunnyplus3
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by Jennie0898
Posted by snowflake08
not everyone numbered their answers and the first poster and I did, but there were several that did answer the original question and give their reasons
I literally counted 4 people (including yourself) who gave actual answers. I didn't count people who just wrote "ditto" as I don't think that's really sharing "their" POV but rather just parroting what someone else said.
Seriously, if you go back to the first page you'll see only four people really answered the questions with or without numbering their "line items".
I'm pretty sure that vast majority of supporters on BOTH sides would find enough similarities in another person's list of line items to want to quote it.
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smdl
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by ChilisWife
Posted by smdl
Posted by snowflake08
Posted by smdl
Posted by ChilisWife
Socialism leads to communism.
Could you name examples of what you are saying?
it is the deterioration of the power of the people
it is how the power moves AWAY from the people and them having their own rights and into the hands of the government to 'redistribute" as they see fit
I am actually asking for actual facts of countries that have fallen in this category.
Because I lived in a Socialist country and so far France is not Communist, far from it actually.
So I am really interested in being given actual examples.
I don't have an example of a capitalist country that turned socialist and eventually communist. All I am saying is that the philosophy of socialism is closer to the philosophy of communism (from each according to their ability, to each according to their need) so eventually over time it may be easier to slide further and further away from capitalism.
Unfortunatelly, the comment you made is made with no basis. No offence, but it is comment like this that scare people and youself when you can't even name a country to support your claim.
Communism is far from Socialism. It is extreme left wing.
But would you consider Nazis who are extreme right wing the same as Republicans who are also right wing? I don't and they are both right wing.
Extremes are never good in either side.
We can't really make such allegation. It's stretching the truth.
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Deedlebugs
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Honestly, I dont understand why saying "ITA" is wrong? I mean, doesnt that same exact thing happen on the Obama threads? Actually, I dont think you ever really get that thorough of answers on those threads. It usually just"CHANGE" blah
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klingklang77
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by Deedlebug126
Awesome 
And Now, for those of us who live here, back to suppoting McCain and protecting our country...
Wow talk about rude! I guess those that live outside of the US don't count.
My vote doesn't count b/c I don't live in the US? Where is the logic in that? I am still a citizen, and actually I am here right now. But I suppose because I've moved that doesn't make me equal to you. 
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snowflake08
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Im not going to keep saying HOW socialism leads or CAN lead to communism. I already explained that it is taking the "pursuit of happiness" away from the people
people dont have the RIGHT to own a home - you have to WORK for it and EARN it
If everyone thinks socialism is so great, there are plenty of other countries for you to choose from.
And for the 2 or 3 of you that are already there - glad you're happy but I surely dont want it HERE!
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HoneyBadger
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by KellyFG
I'm pretty sure that vast majority of supporters on BOTH sides would find enough similarities in another person's list of line items to want to quote it.
My point is that they just kept repeating one another... So there aren't more than a handful of reasons to support their candidate?
I have a BIL who can go on for hours as to why he supports the McCain/Palin ticket. The posters here merely scratched the surface.
I was just surprised there weren't more diverse answers.
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ChilisWife
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by smdl
Posted by ChilisWife
Posted by smdl
Posted by snowflake08
Posted by smdl
Posted by ChilisWife
Socialism leads to communism.
Could you name examples of what you are saying?
it is the deterioration of the power of the people
it is how the power moves AWAY from the people and them having their own rights and into the hands of the government to 'redistribute" as they see fit
I am actually asking for actual facts of countries that have fallen in this category.
Because I lived in a Socialist country and so far France is not Communist, far from it actually.
So I am really interested in being given actual examples.
I don't have an example of a capitalist country that turned socialist and eventually communist. All I am saying is that the philosophy of socialism is closer to the philosophy of communism (from each according to their ability, to each according to their need) so eventually over time it may be easier to slide further and further away from capitalism.
Unfortunatelly, the comment you made is made with no basis. No offence, but it is comment like this that scare people and youself when you can't even name a country to support your claim.
Communism is far from Socialism. It is extreme left wing.
But would you consider Nazis who are extreme right wing the same as Republicans who are also right wing? I don't and they are both right wing.
Extremes are never good in either side.
We can't really make such allegation. It's stretching the truth.
The basis upon which I made my claim is my opinion based on the knowledge I have about each system. I am sure many people disagree and that is fine - that is why we have these threads. I did not mean to imply that it is inevitable that the US will be communist. I am not trying to scare anybody any more than Obama supporters are trying to scare everybody into thinking that if McCain wins, he will definitely die and Sarah Palin will be President and everyone will move to Canada. I wholeheartedly agree with you that extremes are bad, including both the right extreme AND the left extreme. I don't see McCain as an extremist but I do see Obama as one. Which is all fine - perhaps some people want the US to move towards socialism, but I don't.
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smdl
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by snowflake08
Im not going to keep saying HOW socialism leads or CAN lead to communism. I already explained that it is taking the "pursuit of happiness" away from the people
people dont have the RIGHT to own a home - you have to WORK for it and EARN it
If everyone thinks socialism is so great, there are plenty of other countries for you to choose from.
And for the 2 or 3 of you that are already there - glad you're happy but I surely dont want it HERE!
So people who don't agree with you should move to another country?
That's a bit balsy, isn't it?
Socialism is one thing, Communism is another thing.
Everybody can find something wrong with every political ideal.
How would you feel if I made the crazy remark that conservative supporters leads to being nazis and extreme right wing? Then tell them they can moving to another country if this country in under a Democrat President. I could not even imagine saying that to someone.
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snowflake08
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by smdl
Posted by snowflake08
Im not going to keep saying HOW socialism leads or CAN lead to communism. I already explained that it is taking the "pursuit of happiness" away from the people
people dont have the RIGHT to own a home - you have to WORK for it and EARN it
If everyone thinks socialism is so great, there are plenty of other countries for you to choose from.
And for the 2 or 3 of you that are already there - glad you're happy but I surely dont want it HERE!
So people who don't agree with you should move to another country?
That's a bit balsy, isn't it?
Socialism is one thing, Communism is another thing.
Everybody can find something wrong with every political ideal.
How would you feel if I made the crazy remark that conservative supporters leads to being nazis and extreme right wing? Then tell them they can moving to another country if this country in under a Democrat President. I could not even imagine saying that to someone.
OMG it is NOT a matter of agreeing with ME!!
This is a capitalist country and if people WANT to live in a socialist one, there are plenty to choose from - THAT is what i said but good try in twisting my words.
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Deedlebugs
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by Jennie0898
Posted by KellyFG
I'm pretty sure that vast majority of supporters on BOTH sides would find enough similarities in another person's list of line items to want to quote it.
My point is that they just kept repeating one another... So there aren't more than a handful of reasons to support their candidate?
I have a BIL who can go on for hours as to why he supports the McCain/Palin ticket. The posters here merely scratched the surface.
I was just surprised there weren't more diverse answers.
Jennie, Have you seen the Obama supporter threads??? If I see another Quoted post with the response "Exactly!!!!!!!", I wll scream
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by JRD2008
Ok, that article linked above made me  !
What do you think the odds are that DH will agree to raise our children in Canada? 
I had a hard time relaxing after I read that article.
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by Jennie0898
My point is that they just kept repeating one another... So there aren't more than a handful of reasons to support their candidate?
I have a BIL who can go on for hours as to why he supports the McCain/Palin ticket. The posters here merely scratched the surface.
I was just surprised there weren't more diverse answers.
I hear you but its 11:00 on Sunday night & the thread was hijacked by page two with the same old $hit.
I think people know that any McCain thread, no matter how many times the author says"don't say anything bad about Obama" will become the same fight.
Its getting old.
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HoneyBadger
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by Deedlebug126
Honestly, I dont understand why saying "ITA" is wrong? I mean, doesnt that same exact thing happen on the Obama threads? Actually, I dont think you ever really get that thorough of answers on those threads. It usually just"CHANGE" blah
I'm just surprised that there weren't more answers.
Instead this thread turned into a pizzing match when it could have been the perfect place for McCain/Palin supporters to "showcase" why their candidate is so great.
And honestly, why do you ALWAYS turn it negative and about Obama supporters??
I didn't bring Obama into this thread, you did. Why?
Worry about spreading the GOOD WORD about YOUR candidate of choice.
I don't get that about you.
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Deedlebugs
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by Jennie0898
Posted by Deedlebug126
Honestly, I dont understand why saying "ITA" is wrong? I mean, doesnt that same exact thing happen on the Obama threads? Actually, I dont think you ever really get that thorough of answers on those threads. It usually just"CHANGE" blah
I'm just surprised that there weren't more answers.
Instead this thread turned into a pizzing match when it could have been the perfect place for McCain/Palin supporters to "showcase" why their candidate is so great.
And honestly, why do you ALWAYS turn it negative and about Obama supporters??
I didn't bring Obama into this thread, you did. Why?
Worry about spreading the GOOD WORD about YOUR candidate of choice.
I don't get that about you.
I think we did, most of us are pretty darn serious about who we are voting for by now and dont need to go on and on to prove our point and position. Sorry but to us McCain supporters, Obama is a very very bad choice for many many reasons.
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snowflake08
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Funny because none of us; including Obama supporters used the word "Great" or even closed our reasons with "and that is why he is so great!"
it is who we each feel more comfortable voting for
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smdl
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Re: An open question to McCain supporters....
Posted by snowflake08
Posted by smdl
Posted by snowflake08
Im not going to keep saying HOW socialism leads or CAN lead to communism. I already explained that it is taking the "pursuit of happiness" away from the people
people dont have the RIGHT to own a home - you have to WORK for it and EARN it
If everyone thinks socialism is so great, there are plenty of other countries for you to choose from.
And for the 2 or 3 of you that are already there - glad you're happy but I surely dont want it HERE!
So people who don't agree with you should move to another country?
That's a bit balsy, isn't it?
Socialism is one thing, Communism is another thing.
Everybody can find something wrong with every political ideal.
How would you feel if I made the crazy remark that conservative supporters leads to being nazis and extreme right wing? Then tell them they can moving to another country if this country in under a Democrat President. I could not even imagine saying that to someone.
OMG it is NOT a matter of agreeing with ME!!
This is a capitalist country and if people WANT to live in a socialist one, there are plenty to choose from - THAT is what i said but good try in twisting my words.
I am not twisting your words. I actually quoted somebody else based on a lot of nothing. That was the whole point.
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